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Value for money maybe, if given a choice to have it or not.

As already said, it's just scaremongering.

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Indeed, on two fronts: Remote sensing information is inadmissable in UK domestic courts ( I think there's an exception for wire-taps with a court order) and with full high level encryption and other traffic on the same Wi-Fi link good luck trying to identify if the i-player is being used for broadcast as opposed to time shifted viewing.

It's just as unlikely these days as a TV detector.

IIRC TVL have never offered their electronic "detection" evidence in court in a TV usage prosecution as this would then be subject to cross-examination and testing which would of course reveal that it's a load of baloney.

Rest your sphincters gentlemen.:D

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I Watch less than 10 hours tv a week, never the bbc and would prefer not to watch it at all but feel I should to get something out of paying this tax, does that represent excellent value for money, I think it's a bloody liberty.

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Well TD l respect your views and as l say each to their own opinion.

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exactly, I don't watch terrestrial tv at all so it should be a violation of some sort of human rights law that you are legally required to pay for a service you don't use. Before you reply, consider this. Everybody uses the road is one form or another, even if you bike or walk to work so why doesn't everyone have to pay road tax?

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Because they have no desire to place restrictions in place to deny people without a licence access to the BBC. I could imagine such a system would be massively complex and costly. Much like Road tax doesn't stop you driving without it.

By complex and costly, you'd be enforcing something similar to Sky/Virgin in providing users with viewing cards which in turn would require a receiver to insert it into. Naturally you could coax Freeview manufacturers to do that for you but they're never going to do it for free. Then you'd need to revamp iPlayer into something like Skyplayer.

The end result? Massive loss in Licence revenue because plenty of people wouldn't be caught dead paying £100+ a year for something that was now mandatory.

So yeah, costs, complexity and loss of revenue.

Just relax and watch Netflix crap all over BBC whilst costing less per year and having better, bigger budget quality originals and Netflix produced shows. It's only a matter of time before they start acquiring live sports rights despite claiming otherwise.

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More bullexcreta from the failing BBC :LOL:

And btw BBC good look trying to detect via my wifi as i dont have wifi on the modem i use to stream from. I have two modems in the house and only one has wifi :)

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It not really changed, just joined the 21st century

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And it's still not a BBC tax, but a tax on equipment that receives audio/visual mulitmedia.

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Its not an opinion it's an answer to your question.

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So if I use Ethernet connections and hide my Wi-Fi then their new cans are useless.

Then again am sure like the vans of old they don't actually exist.

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They only "exist" in the form of a white transit van (Fleet of 26 at last count) with a fake antenna on the roof, blacked out windows and TV detector van written on the side. Usually parked in the local supermarket car park. All designed to frighten the proles.

What they forget is that people are a lot more tech savvy these days. With the net it's easy to find out what is or is not possible.

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Sounds unlikely to me. How would they detect folk who watch TV via ethernet? If they really did deploy wifi detector vans wouldn't folk just buy a bit of extra cat 5e?

I'll also warn my friend in Keffalania. He uses my VPN server to watch BBC iplayer. :D

Generally I agree with the license system because it frees our main public service broadcaster from making solely commercial decisions when choosing what programmes to develop. Subscription-based channels would be the death knell of quality broadcasting and imaginative decision-making.

It would make sense for BBC iplayer to be a subscription service, after all it is essentially a catch-up service. That way expats etc could buy in, without affecting the over all quality of TV and Radio service.

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If the BBC was sensible they would join forces with SKY and Cable companies and the only way you can join sky or cable is if you provide a valid tv licence number, no number means no tv as the companies can scramble the signal unless they provide a licence number. With all tv now digital its such an easy thing to do scramble the signal of tv channels not allowed. Having this method then people have a choice of paying to watch tv or not get it at all.

The TV licence only gives money to the BBc but the licence is for all tv you watch not just the bbc, so you cannot watch QVC without a tv licence despite it being nothing to do with the BBc or get money from the BBC, same as watching CNN on satellite, its nothing to do with BBC yet it still needs tv licence to legally watch it

round my area they been sending really attractive men and women to peoples doors to catch them out, people answering the door when they think its a good looking person then they caught out by who they are.

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Doesn't matter if you answer the door to TVL. If you then don't tell them your name just close the door.

They legally can't do anything if you tell them to leave.

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One wheeze they've tried round here is wearing hi-viz jackets. We don't open the front door to anybody we don't know so never have to send them packing.:)

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Surely snooping on your wifi isn't legal? Google got sued for doing the same thing when mapping streetview didn't they?

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It'll be made legal for the BBC. A magnetron, tuned wave guide and horn antenna will fry their kit though. ;)

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BBC loses bake of, doesn't bother me tbh but it does make me wonder what the point of the organisation is anymore, you pay to have it, anything decent moves to another channel and in some cases you have to pay again to subscribe to that to

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I was going to say the same thing and you beat me to it. I have never watched it but I think it is a bit of a joke. If they are going to say that all the "premium" series are on other channels because they can afford to pay more then what is the point. They make a bit thing about being "ad free" like it is all anyone cares about but when it comes down to it nobody is going to watch and ad free channel if it is has average/sub par programming. Hopefully this will be an important lesson for them. Channel 4 can afford to pay more because they know they are going to get the money back from advertising revenue.

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The BBC can never win in these situations.

If they had spent the money that was asked for Bake Off, then many people (and certain media outlets) would complain that the BBC were spending 'their' money on 'rubbish', it wasn't cost effective, or as the government said at one point that the BBC shouldn't be doing popular shows anyway.

If they don't spend the money they're accused of letting decent programmes go.

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To go with the sub par programming soon people will have to endure sub par presenters on them to simply because of their skin colour, gender or disability rather than any specific ability to present.

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Perhaps if they weren't spending so much cash on payoffs they'd have a bit left for programmes

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As that's a Daily Mail article, I don't expect it to be balanced when it comes to the BBC

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Try this

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...-face-mps-live

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I agree with what you are saying but I think this is an exception. I thought it was one of their top progs but I didn't realise it was "the" top prog. They have got to justify spending their money on something and if it isn't their most highly rated series then what should it be? If they are going to force people to pay for a service then they need to provide what the viewers want.

I hate to draw this comparison because I don't think they compare at all but this whole situation makes me thing of Sky One 10 years ago with Lost and 24 etc and Sky Atlantic now. If you want a premium service you pay a premium price and Sky One advertised 24 as airing 1 day after the States (which was huge at the time :) and obviously things have caught up now and I think Sky Atlantic airs GoT in real time. Sky are a broadcaster who realise that people are choosing to pay for a service and they make sure they deliver on the expectation of quality and standards. The BBC has once again shown that they just do whatever they want, get away with it and there isn't anything you can do to express your frustration about their bad decisions. It isn't as if you can decide to stop giving them money. Just think, if they were that **** that everyone went to ITV and Channel they wouldn't care because they would still sit there happy knowing they are going to get our money regardless.

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Interesting, they lost Top Gear (well the ratings at least) now Bake Off, what's next Dr Who?

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They didn't lose Top Gear. The BBC still own the format. Same for Doctor Who

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They may own the name for top gear but they have lost the audience and the revenue. :)

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The problem for the BBC is simple. If they don't pay enough, they lose the programmes, and get criticised for it. If they do, they are criticised for paying too much.

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You're comparing three different things.

In the case of Top Gear, a programme the BBC wholly owns, they sacked the presenter then gave the gig to someone who, it turned out, was too scared to do anything other than copy Clarkson (badly).

In the case of Bake Off, a brand and format owned by Love Productions, the BBC was not willing to pay what the owner wished to charge for a licence for the BBC to keep using its intellectual property.

In the case of Doctor Who ... well most of it is owned by the BBC, certainly enough for them to keep making it as long as they want to. In this case, they have a very long history of replacing the main cast and the production team without killing it. So there's no reason to suppose it's going anywhere.

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Well after Who went off air in 89. The BBC kept publishing books and stuff. Then they brought it back in 2005.

So they very much own the show.

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The voice I think it's called

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They own the name and the principal characters. A lot of the universe, they don't actually own, due to the way rights were allocated to scriptwriters during the classic era. The Terry Nation Estate, for example, owns the Daleks and a substantial chunk of what comes with them (Skaro, Thals, Davros).

Befor they brought the series back in 2005 they had to reacquire certain rights they had optioned out (there was a movie stuck in development hell for most of the time it was off air). I have heard - though I don't know if it's true - that they have had to buy a licence to use the theme tune.

So yes, they can make Doctor Who whenever they like, but to make it exactly the way we expect it to be is slightly more involved than you might think.

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The Voice went exactly the same way as Bake Off. The format owner (Endemol in this case) wanted a hefty chunk more money to renew the Beeb's licence to use it.

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Is that why your shed's full of old microwave oven parts? :D