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Gary L

03-12-2015 18:23

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Be a man for once Dave.
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/12/13.jpg

Maggy

03-12-2015 20:40

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Time will tell..Considering Cameron declared that the Russian bombing campaign would lead to further radicalisation and increased terrorism in October I'm wondering just how it's any different in November?

Hugh	03-12-2015 21:01

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35811298)

Maybe because the Russians are bombing anti-Assad fighters, rather than ISIS...

tweedle

03-12-2015 21:11

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35811282)

Mentioning it once or twice is ok but it got absurd. Labour went from looking reasonable to a bunch of people complaining that their feelings were hurt rather than Syria.

A lot of people I've been talking to today are of the same opinion. It seems Syria went out the window and all Labour wanted to do was moan about being called names.

Damien

03-12-2015 22:06

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Originally Posted by tweedle (Post 35811300)

A lot of people I've been talking to today are of the same opinion. It seems Syria went out the window and all Labour wanted to do was moan about being called names.

It's stupid anyway because the Tories love it if Labour ensure that the words 'terrorist sympathiser' and 'Corbyn' are put in the same sentence time and time again. Voters may think it's mean and feel sympathy for Corbyn and dislike the Tories but it doesn't translate to votes meanwhile the seed is planted in their brain that Corbyn is 'a bit weird' when it comes to terrorists and then each article or picture of Corbyn meeting the IRA compounds it.

Osem	03-12-2015 22:12

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Originally Posted by tweedle (Post 35811300)

A lot of people I've been talking to today are of the same opinion. It seems Syria went out the window and all Labour wanted to do was moan about being called names.

A mixture of political point scoring (own goals mainly it seems) and the usual hypocrisy. The nastiness in Labour has always been there not very far under the surface, no matter what the likes of Corbyn try to pretend. Some of their own are finding out for themselves just how nasty...

ianch99

03-12-2015 23:39

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^^ wow, never saw this post coming

tweedle

04-12-2015 00:02

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35811322)

^^ wow, never saw this post coming

Do you ever make constructive comments? You need to understand people are reacting to MP's getting police protection, yes right now labour MPs are under police protection. It seems some people want to terrorise MPs for their beliefs/opinions.

TheDaddy

04-12-2015 01:17

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35811257)

So it would be "democratic" to listen to the 31% who opposed air strikes, against the 48% who supported them?

And if we are going to run the country/our political parties by polling, it doesn't look very good for Mr Corbyn (from the Times article linked to in your link).

It might be an idea to to have the majority of the country supporting our leaders call for something as serious as war, no wonder it was rushed through without even delaying for a second days debate or a coherent plan, support is waining daily for Dave's folly

denphone

04-12-2015 05:17

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35811311)

There is a element of nastiness in all political parties so its nothing new.

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Originally Posted by tweedle (Post 35811326)

Do you ever make constructive comments? You need to understand people are reacting to MP's getting police protection, yes right now labour MPs are under police protection. It seems some people want to terrorise MPs for their beliefs/opinions.

Sadly there is always a very tiny minority who do this and one hopes the book gets thrown at them as its inexcusable.

Damien

04-12-2015 06:02

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35811328)

It was a majority last week. You can't decide these matters based on polling.

ianch99

04-12-2015 08:30

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Originally Posted by tweedle (Post 35811326)

Do you ever make constructive comments?

Nice try ..

Osem	04-12-2015 08:44

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Originally Posted by tweedle (Post 35811326)

Well the truth hurts some poor folks you know. ;)

Maggy

04-12-2015 09:13

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For goodness sake let it go.The matter was decided in Parliament,democratically and though I think it was a poor decision that's the end of it..let's move on.

TheDaddy

04-12-2015 09:29

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35811358)

For goodness sake let it go.The matter was decided in Parliament,democratically and though I think it was a poor decision that's the end of it..let's move on.

Led by the nose once again based on lies, when will we learn not to trust these people

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...inst-ISIS.html

ianch99

04-12-2015 09:48

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35811362)

Led by the nose once again based on lies, when will we learn not to trust these people

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...inst-ISIS.html

Dave's Dodgy Dossier, sounds familiar? :) http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-the-papers-35002499

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David Cameron's case for air strikes in Syria is examined in several of Friday's papers, and the Sun sums up the key talking point with the headline: "You and whose army?"
It says senior defence officials have "disowned" Mr Cameron's claim that 70,000 moderate Syrian troops are ready to fight so-called Islamic State (IS).
The Times says government officials fear the claim will become Mr Cameron's "dodgy dossier" - a reference to documents relied upon by Tony Blair in the build-up to the 2003 Iraq war.
Officials were not worried about the validity of the figure, the paper says, but they were reluctant for Mr Cameron to use a specific number as it could become the "one thing that everyone latches on to", like Mr Blair's claim that Saddam Hussein could have launched weapons of mass destruction within 45 minutes.

nomadking

04-12-2015 11:18

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Link.

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Officials say the source for the 70,000 figure is the UK's Joint Intelligence Committee (JIC), drawing on assessments by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, UK intelligence agencies and open sources.
...
Charles Lister of the Brookings Institute puts the number of fighters in strategically influential groups at around 65,000 - with 10,000 fighters in smaller groups.

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Regardless of the lack of clarity, the 70,000 figure does not include the Kurds.
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The SDF generally operates in a tense ceasefire with the Assad regime and has even been accused of being in open alliance with it, and as a result the British government does not include the YPG or the SDF - which may have as many as 40-50,000 troops - in its estimate.

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So, counting the number of "allies" that the West considers vital to its dual strategy of defeating IS and pushing Mr Assad to the negotiating table makes the magical 70,000 number actually more like 100-120,000.

Maggy

04-12-2015 11:19

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35811362)

Led by the nose once again based on lies, when will we learn not to trust these people

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...inst-ISIS.html

Possibly but it's decided and we have to try and be gentlemen about it..Attacking others about it will not solve any thing..

Hugh	04-12-2015 12:17

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35811365)

Dave's Dodgy Dossier, sounds familiar? :) http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-the-papers-35002499

So it's "based on lies", when your post links states

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Officials were not worried about the validity of the figure

So if the figures are valid, how can it be based on lies?

mrmistoffelees

04-12-2015 13:32

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35811376)

Possibly but it's decided and we have to try and be gentlemen about it..Attacking others about it will not solve any thing..

How deliciously ironic, was it intended? :D

Maggy

04-12-2015 14:04

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35811397)

How deliciously ironic, was it intended? :D

No! It'a an honest comment.

ianch99

04-12-2015 16:01

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35811381)

So it's "based on lies", when your post links states

So if the figures are valid, how can it be based on lies?

Hugh, where does it says "based on lies"? I cannot find the phrase in the BBC post I linked.

I am not sure what your argument is here? The BBC was reporting that the well-known Left of Centre Newspapers, The Sun and The Times, had concerns over Dave's claim of 70,000 rebels.

Hugh	04-12-2015 16:47

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35811413)

I was responding to TheDaddy's post, which you quoted.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35811362)

Led by the nose once again based on lies, when will we learn not to trust these people

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...inst-ISIS.html

ianch99

04-12-2015 17:09

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35811414)

I was responding to TheDaddy's post, which you quoted.

I was responding to his quote but I was not responsbile for it so why ask me the question?

TheDaddy

04-12-2015 17:23

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35811381)

So it's "based on lies", when your post links states

So if the figures are valid, how can it be based on lies?

The figures aren't valid, if there was a rebel army of 70000 they'd have been eating out in Damascus by now. Last I heard about the moderate forces they were selling their weapons to isis plus the odd captured westerner and if the figures are valid why are they soiling themselves about it

nomadking

04-12-2015 17:43

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35811418)

Not sure how that can make any sense, seeing as 40-50,000 Kurds are not included and they aren't making an impact.

The main problem is that they are all too busy attacking Assad instead.

TheDaddy

04-12-2015 18:43

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35811419)

Not sure how that can make any sense, seeing as 40-50,000 Kurds are not included and they aren't making an impact.

The main problem is that they are all too busy attacking Assad instead.

Kurds won't leave their so called homelands to fight plus Turkey is attacking them

Hugh	04-12-2015 19:25

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35811416)

I was responding to his quote but I was not responsbile for it so why ask me the question?

apologies.

TheDaddy

05-12-2015 20:39

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Last thing we need is a lecture from bliar, without him there might not even be an isis

https://www.rt.com/uk/324729-blair-s...rstrikes-isis/

Arthurgray50@blu

05-12-2015 21:01

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This is a war that we will NOT win. Our brave guys and girls are going to a fight a war against ISIL.

What about the people in this country, who will protect us against terrorism. Its pretty frightening walking through a town centre, especially at this time of year.

Terrorist have the prefect place, town centres packed full of people. MPs will soon be on there Xmas hols. And joe blogs not knowing what will happen.

ISIL have already threatened that IF the UK plays any part in the war, we will be hit

Osem	05-12-2015 21:19

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We're already hitting ISIS in Iraq and have been for some time.

If you're more worried about being the victim of terrorism than being mugged, run over, or even hit by lightening then you have a screw loose.

By your 'logic' we'd never have fought the Nazis because they would have hit back. Their bombers and rockets hit London and many of our major towns cities, did we just give up?

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