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I don't even know most of the lyrics for the British national anthem. After the first verse I have no idea..Something..something..GOD SAVE THE QUEEN....something else.

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Mr Corbyn really doesn't help himself..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34832023 Anyone who has had military firearms training knows there is only one way to stop an armed opponent who is endangering others - two shots to the main part of the target (the trunk); that will be fatal in a majority of cases.

It's only in fiction that you wing someone to stop them.

Out-freakin-standing - the potential leader of this country has declared he might, or might not, use force against those who want to kill our citizens in terrorist attacks.

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There really is no excuse these days you know...

No lip synching allowed either. :D

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I don't think most of the British know it. and more than most don't even care.

first time in my life I've just looked up the lyrics.

no wonder nobody cares.

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Corbyn's showing himself up to be joke far better than any right wing media baron. His grip on reality seems very tenuous and that would explain why he appeals to the usual suspects around here. :D

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Have your Paris friends been found safe and well? I've been worrying about this since you posted the above and never mentioned it again.

I have an idea if you still cannot get in touch with them ;-)

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Yes thank you she got in touch with me mid-morning on Saturday after my texts, Facebook messages and calls were going unanswered, they're all ok.

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I'm astounded, the only thing I can think he meant was the Kratos guidelines for dealing with potential suicide bombers which is aim for head, pull trigger, repeat till you hear a click, pray no explosive vest goes off.

Even then I've yet to hear a credible alternative for dealing with suicide bombers.

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Can the thread title be changed, everytime I log in I keep thinking another horror has happened

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In wonder what Corbyn will expect those charged with protecting him to do if he's unlucky enough to be faced down by a lunatic gunman. Maybe they'll hesitate to consider his views and whilst doing so he'll wind up shot. Would that be poetic justice?

Frankly I can't recall the UK ever having such a fool as leader of a major party. As a fairly ordinary fringe MP he was one thing but the prospect of him as a potential PM is beyond belief.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34840708

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Just as well there are enough AFOs to go round. Or maybe not.

Regardless of your feelings on the Police carrying firearms its courting disaster to work them into the ground and hope nothing goes wrong when they are tired and still expected to make split second life and death decisions.

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Sadly I think many more armed police are going to be required whether we/they like it or not. The training and resources need to be made available now rather than after a Paris style calamity during which those we rely upon to keep us safe are outgunned.

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The whole 'shoot to kill' thing isn't something you can gives a yes or no answer to in my opinion. Are the current guidelines sufficient? These allow shoot to kill when there is a direct threat to life and there are of course the 'Kratos officers' which are the guys trained in true shoot to kill for suicide bombers. There are 12 of them for London apparently.

The problem is that the only time those Kratos officers did what they trained to do, they killed an innocent person which would surely make any person nervous.

If possible, I would always want the perpetrators of these crimes held to account in a court of law rather than killed - they should only be shot if necessary. We have got to show that we are better than those who want to destroy our way of life.

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In the normal course of events you're right but the problem is people like this have proved they're not going to be taken alive and will do their utmost to carry on the killing until they're dead - women, children, young, old it makes no difference to them. In such circumstances, regretfully, the least worst option is helping them on their way as soon as possible. In assessing our response and what results from it, we should remember that every single person they decide to murder is an innocent victim and on the scale of justice, killing multiple murderers is always going to be by far the lesser of the two evils we face.

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He really is not all right in the head! :dozey:

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34830703

Maybe we could kill two birds with one stone by fencing off Belgium from the rest of Europe...

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For a very long time he's existed quite comfortably, talking garbage without much publicity and even less by way of actual consequences. You'd have thought by now, however, he'd realise that as leader of the Labour Party, he needs to be clear and careful about what he says but he carries on regardless uttering simplistic drivel like an out of touch old fool.

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Even Kratos only works in the case of someone having a button to push, utterly useless if remote-det or dead mans trigger.

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Dead mans switch yes, then you're in a lose/lose situation. Remote detonation can be circumvented in some situations.

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In Paris far more people were killed by bullets than explosions I believe so if we can take out the shooters quickly that's at least something. One thing's for sure - we can't hope to avoid loss of innocent life when an attack happens, we can merely hope to limit it.

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I been listening to people how where literally in the heart of the gunfire, makes hard to hear listening.

Tonight Anglo-French relations are going to be massively improved.

It will be a first and last to hear English fans singing the French national anthem.

Also about 100 people returned tickets for tonight game, but over 10,000 have been sold.

Tonights match a week ago was a nonsense game, but with the events on Friday it will be a packed stadium for a friendly.

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Germany vs Netherlands called off amid bomb threat.

Hannover stadium evacuated in what is the second threat directly involving the German National team in the past week after being evacuated from their hotel on the morning of the Paris attacks.

Same applies to Belgium vs Spain (Called of yesterday, presumably after it was made clear that one of the Paris attackers had escaped back to Belgium and has resources there)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34849263

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Update: A second venue in Hanover - a music arena - has now been evacuated by police. The 14,000 TUI Arena was due to host a concert by the band The Söhne Mannheims.

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Ambulance packed with explosives found in front of stadium in Hannover.

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Police tell ABC threat concerns whole of Hannover, not just stadium. Teams were not in stadium, evacuated to undisclosed location

Ambulance bomb still unconfirmed.

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That man is a complete ****. God forbid that he ever gets any form of real power in this country that involves the defence of this country and its way of life. It just shows the power of the unions where picking a Labour leader is involved. They have however not got it right as they seem to pick complete ankers every time:)

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Mr Corbyn is a total prat as far as l am concerned. He should agree that action must be taken to protect the vulnerable countries, plus the citizens of the UK must be protected.
But IS have said that they WILL attack any country involved in the bombing.

There was a FACEBOOK article tonight that in Thetford Forest, there were FOUR adults acting suspiciously in the road and in a car. And this has been reported to police - there is an RAF base in Thetford

I think what happened in Paris, CAN happen here - sadly, we have the channel tunnel.

One mental person said today, that he went through several countries without being stopped, and could have been caught - but police didn't stop him. WE must close the border now.

IF ANY MEMBER OF THIS FORUM WHO SEE'S ANYTHING, REPORT IT TO THE POLICE

Stay safe guys

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What on earth are you going on about?

I see many suspicious looking characters in and around Glasgow on a daily basis. I am not going to report everything I see to the Police. That would just be wasting their time and mine.

Honestly not every person out there is a serial killer or terrorist! Things like this are making people paranoid.

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To be fair if you don't look like a suspicious character in Glasgow the chances are you're not local :)

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"Mental person"? :confused:

I didn't realise that the police were supposed to prevent "mental" people from entering the country.

To keep out "mental" people? :confused:

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Heavy shooting heard in northern suburb of Paris.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34853657

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Lets hope the French do not follow Comrade Corbyn's doctrine and instead kill all of the terrorists. There is no point in trying to take them alive so we can slap there hands. :rolleyes:

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Three gunmen killed according to the latest reports.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-34840858

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Good riddance.

It's sounding like one of the masterminds behind Friday's attacks is/was inside the Paris flat whilst the authorities believed he was in Syria, alive or dead. If it's true there are going to be lots of questions about how he was able to get back into France but then he'd only have needed to cross one of the many laxly controlled external borders wouldn't he. Another reason for Schengen to come under close scrutiny, if there was any such need. However he managed it, it does serve to illustrate the fact that the EU's border security leaves a lot to be desired.

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Just heard on the Beeb that a Female suicide bomber blew herself up during the raids, a male was shot dead, 3 people arrested in the apartments and a couple taken into custody nearby.

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No country can keep everyone out.

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Are you kidding? Corbyn is a fool but the French will be wanting Abbaaoud alive at all costs for any intelligence they can get from him. Anyone caught alive in this is hardly only going to get their hands slapped.

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True - we just have to do a far better job of working out who we're letting into Europe and keeping out/detecting as many maniacs as we can. including those already amongst us. We're all subject to daily CCTV surveillance because a relatively few people decide upon law breaking. We all suffer but accept security measures at airports which are only required because a relatively few people would do us harm. Now we have to apply similarly robust measures to all our borders and migration policy. because amongst the many there are those who're committed to kill us. It'd be great if we didn't need to but we clearly do and that is going to affect all of us in one way or another.

Frankly I'd rather feel a bit safer going to a football match, music venue or restaurant than be able to roam around Europe without the need to even show a passport. How many opportunities to stop the Serbian guy who was found with weapons in his vehicle the other day (and many people like him) have been missed because of the nonsense which is Schengen?

We need to accept we don't have freedom, we have some freedom and in order to protect the freedoms which matter most to us, we're going to need to sacrifice others.

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Doesn't really matter if you can keep out all current terrorists when so many new ones come along in this and other countries.

The bridgehead is already too well established.

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How the French authorities have put up with the St Denis situation for all these years is beyond belief. Thousands of illegal immigrants, a seething pool of crime and the birthplace of major jihadist madness.

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It matters. Yes, as I mentioned, we have a serious problem already amongst us and our security services are overloaded dealing with that threat. We really don't need to add to it by allowing more in. We can't isolate ourselves from the threats we face, the best we can do is to make it as hard as possible for the terrorists but at this stage we can only hope to reduce the number of attacks not prevent them all.

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Madness it is and I dare say very many ordinary people could see that. The truth is our glorious leaders haven't really wanted to listen, preferring instead to peddle the myth that it'd be OK and we'd all live happily ever after...

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Then they win,we lose.

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Why? As I pointed out we don't and have never enjoyed total freedom. We've lived in a society in which our freedoms have been limited and often subject to change as in times of war and other crises. Our daily lives are already affected in all sorts of ways to reduce criminal behaviour, ensure safety, prevent antisocial behaviour etc. etc. etc. By that logic thieves have won because we have to lock our front doors and need a police service to protect us.

This is no different form what's always happened. Right now we face a serious threat and that demands our freedoms come under review. That's really nothing new and if we can break the back of the threat we face, there's no reason why some of the freedoms we might lose can't be restored as they have been in the past.

The terrorists win when we're all too frightened of being blown up to go out and we give in to their demands. Being subject to additional surveillance or security checks, for example, is a price but one which is worth paying in the circumstances IMHO.

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Couple of thousand years ago, chap called Julius, remember him???

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It's not just immigrants though. There are just suburbs they've frequently just left to themselves. Remember the riots they had 10 years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_French_riots?. One thing Governments will how to stop areas become cut off from society.

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Here's the right message from the Muslim community:

Mod Edit:

Can I remind everyone about the CF T&Cs about linking to offensive videos,material etc..and about swearing.Thank you.

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Read his lips.
mother bookers!

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RIP Diesel the Police dog :(

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a6738826.html

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Listen to what he says. He says that if muslims in the west don't like the cartoons or when people insult islam they should move to get the laws changed to make that kind of thing illegal. If that doesn't work then those muslims should go and live in other countries. Seems reasonable but for one point, I don't want my laws changed to limit free speech & satire in order to make muslims feel better! :dozey:

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Suspected mastermind of the Paris attacks Abdelhamid Abaaoud was killed in a major police raid in Saint Denis on Wednesday, Paris prosecutor confirms.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-34840858

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how did they find them so fast?

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Interesting snipet on the mindset of a 'moderate' (so called) muslim.....
https://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/20...s-on-infidels/

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I've heard quite a few muslims who've been complaining, understandably, that they've been the victims of abuse or intimidation because of what's been done in their names to the extent that they don't feel safe going out, especially alone. They rightly make the point that it's only a small percentage of muslims who're maniac murderers but overlook the fact that it's only a small percentage on non-muslims who're abusing them in this manner. To that extent they're doing the very same thing that they're complaining about aren't they? Stereotyping.

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The Land of the Free (unless you are a Muslim):

Donald Trump 'not opposed to Muslim database' in US

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The man is a idiot pure and simple and if America elects him as president then it need its head examining.

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He also has said some good things (from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehdi_Hasan)

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Terror response warning to home secretary.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34875077

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Surveillance, monitoring of conversations and links between associates. Basically all the things the guardian and Edward Snowden don't like.

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Sadly I doubt it'll make a difference. The current Tory line is repeating a blatant lie that the number of frontline cops in E&W is up 3800 since 2010 so the cuts will continue.

In entirely unrelated news G4S have started openly touting for taking over chunks of Police business. :(

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I think that everything he said in that video was good. I was just voicing my personal point of view on one little aspect. :)

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terrorist Salah Abdeslam on the run 'regrets his actions and fears Isil reprisals Bit late for that m8. :erm: It's like we're dealing with children.....who happen to have automatic weapons and explosives :rolleyes:

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It's also a bit late for the EU to be tightening security isn't it. The risks (including open borders) have been obvious (to those who wanted to see) for a very long time but not a lot has been done to plug the gaps and they're still dithering about borders even now.

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Dave called opponents of military action "terrorist sympathisers"
and refused to apologise.

the man is getting too big for his boots.
he feels stupid because the rest of the world is laughing at him that he needs permission to go and play with the big boys.

He also said that in future the UK government would be referring to IS as Daesh as much as possible, because "this evil death cult is neither a true representation of Islam nor is it a state".

Well it's better than ISIS ISIT ISIU ISIV ISIW ISIX ISIY ISIZ
and it doesn't offend Islam.
not even Islamic terrorists.

Any ideas what DAESH stands for?

apart from the obvious Dirty Animals Enjoy Sexy Hairymen

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Seventy Paris Airport Workers Have Security Passes Revoked
:erm:

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Bloody udiot!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...mic-State.html

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I think he's going to be made a serious example of...

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:erm: Bit of a nutter there. Might have something up in his head.

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Probably hadn't done his lesson plans for the day.

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Suspect shot by Paris police.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35250344

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I guess there will be more of this to come.

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Good thing he didn't try it here.

A stern talking to about not wearing an ID lanyard isn't something to be joked about. And running with a sharp object, he'd need a remedial health and safety lecture as well.

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If his god is so great and on his side, how come the guy got shot dead? :confused:

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Are you suggesting this guy didn't do a full risk assessment??

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Because he brought a knife to a gun fight. God might be on his side but not even the almighty can compensate for such stupidity. If I was feeling kind I'd say it was suicide by cop.

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French soldier 'opens fire on man carrying knife and suitcase' at Louvre in Paris.

http://www.itv.com/news/2017-02-03/f...uvre-suitcase/

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Thank the Lord he was captured quickly and shot