Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

I was thinking more about exploiting the firmware whilst connected in the router.

I don't know if this is possible, but if you do manage to find an exploit like a buffer overflow, you can potentially get into the memory of the router and see anything that is on RAM... that is what I am worried about, not really getting the WPA info but actually accessing the main memory unit.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Yes but at least when I'm not watching them I'm not eating extra electricity whilst somebody else streams them from my set top box, has anyone costed what the extra running costs of a shub2 that is running as a hot spot?

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Also I think the assertion that this won't cause extra traffic or congestion is ludicrous, you can't say the person that is lodging on your wi-Fi is creating extra traffic because they arnt at home using their own, what is actually happening is they are using VM instead of their 3G connections so the network traffic at peak times could considerably increase.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

SH2 uses miniUPnP from here

http://miniupnp.free.fr/

which has been found to be vulnerable. Has this been kept uptodate by VM?
I do not know. Last time I checked (6 months ago it was not) - one can turn SH2 to a switch, it changes its name to miniUPnP

Can one use ARP poisoning? Again, I do not know ....

Once you login to SH using a public login (as I said there are public BT password lists, VM lists will soon be available too) perhaps one can try...

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Except all VM customers are "physically connected" to the same network in the end anyway, all that'll do is create a false sense of security (and double the amount of equipment to maintain)

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I wonder if the Superhub will set up per-client L2TP tunnels to some VM server somewhere so all the access control can be done at the far end.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

My SH2AC cant even transmit to the end of my garden both front and back so unless VM are going to boost my signal this looks like waste of time and effort.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

No, what is actually happening is they are using VM instead of using VM in a slightly different part of the country.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Not quite. If it wasn't for the fact that there is a hotspot in that location they probably wouldn't be using anything at that time.

However, I agree that this new provision is unlikely to impinge significantly or indeed noticeably on a local network in residential areas. Station and airport hotspots will have been set up with discrete purpose-built network connections.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

And when several neighbours cotton on to being to get BB for £5/month on the basis that somebody else nearby is paying the full amount for BB?

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

How would that work? You have to have a VM login to access the VM WiFi. Or have I misunderstood something?

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Via VM mobile. They also have access without having fixed BB.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Ah - not having VM Mobile (which without 4G is a dog), I wouldn't have thought of that.

So, good point.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

If you're a Virgin Mobile customer the authentication is via your SIM, so only the device that you've got your SIM in and can access the app (Android and iOS at launch) will work on Virgin Media WiFi.

http://store.virginmedia.com/the-leg...wifiterms.html

19. Existing Virgin Media broadband customers who have not opted out of the Virgin Media WiFi service and all Virgin Mobile customers will be able to access the services by configuring their device using their existing Virgin Media password to sign in to access the services. Mobile users can access the service by way of the Virgin Media WiFi application. This will use details from the Mobile SIM card to access to service.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

sim card slots on laptops?

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

They'll get cripplingly slow speeds?

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Exactly, I don't understand the reason for all the negative comments it'll have 0 effect on ppls connections.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

If other people in the area with "proper" BB are having an impact on my speeds and connection, how will yet more people not have any impact.

My gripe is that they would also be getting BB on the cheap for a fraction of what I am paying.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

I imagine that the people on Virgin Media WiFi are not at their home having an impact from there with their "proper" BB.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

These would be additional BB users using mobile which could even be instead of paying for fixed line BB with VM, BT, etc

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Yet this isn't anything new and BT/Sky/etc. don't seem to have this problem. They might get broadband on the cheap, but it'll be exactly that - cheap, slow and not a good experience.

It'll also only work on their mobile.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Virgin Mobile customers will require the app to gain access which will only be available on Android or iOS, and limited to that device only.

It's only Virgin Media broadband customers that can use their details to use more than one device per subscription.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Nothing in the T&C's about excluding anybody who is in Modem Mode is there ? ;) According to that you just have to have not opted out and be a BB customer.

I've no real objection to sharing but I certainly won't be using my SH1 in router mode.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Good point. BT users can share their credentials with multiple non-BT customers if they choose, yet you don't see "scroungers" latching on everywhere and taking down the network.

In any case, 2.4Ghz only, in crowded urban areas, and through several walls, isn't going to achieve "broadband" speeds most of the time anyway.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Agreed, think people are over reacting here and missing the point. As a subscriber to Wi-Fi you can go where you want and get Wi-Fi access including those Wi-Fi locations VM provide.

I really don't see people "camping" outside my house to use relatively "slow" Wi-Fi or even my neighbours who through several walls would get a poor performance by comparison to my 100MB (soon to be) service.

Think what you may get, not what the occasional passing user may get from your VM SH.

And if you do get multiple users using your SH, just turn it off for 5 minutes! That will get rid of them!!:shocked::shocked:

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

I don't think you're even going to notice them on your connection.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

If they have an advanced network and expect to have any chance of getting any form of mobile VOIP to work that'll just make them roam onto the neighbours superhub and back to yours as soon as you turn it back on.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Shouldn't it have started today?

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Not sure, I checked my Shub firmware last night and it was still the same.
Does it need a firmware update for this WiFi sharing ?

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

The firmware update rolled out weeks ago.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

D'oh!! Should have been 'listening' more closely .......... ;)

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

This for the SH2? Been nothing for the 2ac.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Well they wouldn't have wanted to replicate the modem mode firmware fault on the SH2ac, would they?

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Does anybody know the exact details as to how a VM broadband user will be able to access WiFi sharing using a non-VM mobile? Or will you just have to wait until VM sends you an e-mail explaining how you do this?

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Is there a version number to see if mine's been updated?

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

V2.01.03

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12...l#post35788038

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Thanks, V2.01.03, done here.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

www.virginmedia.com/virginmediawifi

WiFi on the go

Virgin Media broadband customers will be able to download our app and then seamlessly connect their WiFi-enabled devices to the Internet via Virgin Media WiFi when they are out and about. We’ll let you know when the app is available to download. Virgin Mobile customers can use their WiFi-enabled smartphone or device in the same way.

How will I get online with Virgin Media WiFi?

The easiest way to get online with Virgin Media WiFi will be to use our new app. It will be available to download from the App Store and Google Play soon.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

What fault is that?

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Possibly the update that stopped Cisco routers getting a DHCP WAN address using Multicast?

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

My SH2 is still on V1.01.29.
It has always been neglected in terms of updates, the previous one was delayed as well. This was one on the original SH2 trial and it doesn't seem to have forgotten...

Does the update give me anything apart from the WiFi sharing?

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

I'm using my SH in modem mode ~ how do I check which version it's on?
Thanks

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Yes, non-propagation of that fault into the SH2ac when using the same base code as the SH2.

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In the Status section of the Router Status link when you do 192.168.100.1 in your browser.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

That seems like a very old version ?

My version is V2.39.02

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Are we talking the same Superhub here? TH is referring to the SH2.

Mine is on v2.01.03 but the VM WiFi is no longer advertised. So that's been put on hold, it would seem.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

I had my cable modem replaced about 8 weeks ago, just checked its also on V2.01.03

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

My SH2 (non-ac) is on V2.01.03, which is definitely a newer software version as it only upgraded to it about a month ago.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Google would suggest that Paul M has a SH1?

community.virginmedia.com/t5/Set-up/Updated-Super-Hub-1-2-and-2ac-New-Firmware/td-p/2777016

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Don't you have to switch the SH off and on again in order for it to update?

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Not when mine updated.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Paul needs new kit. Give the man new kit!!!!!!!!!!

JPAC you do if theres a glitch of some sort. Look in your network log to see if theres a failed update/download

http://192.168.100.1/cgi-bin/VmRouterStatusEvLogCfgCgi

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Still on V1.01.29 after a power cycle and a separate reboot, so I think the original trial SH2 boxes may still be separate from the normal updates as discussed back in May last year when 1.01.29 was being pushed.

Last time I had to ask for the update to be pushed, perhaps I'll give them a call in the morning.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Sort it on the VM forum, less stressful explaining as your SH2 should have been removed from the trial when it ended if I remember.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

I've just had an email from Virgin telling me in the Autumn I'm going to get a broadband speed upgrade this Autumn, I'm guessing this will be in preparation for the wi-fi sharing although they're not giving much away.

http://store.virginmedia.com/special...d-upgrade.html

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Unless your email specifically mentioned Public WiFi in the same breath, then no. The speed upgrades are an evolution and nothing to do with the Public WiFi.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

The speed upgrades have been known about for weeks, there is a thread somwhere about it here Techguy.
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/10...00-300-mb.html

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

SnoopZ's post inspired me to look on the VM forum to see what happened last time. I found the original thread relating to the lack of updates for trial boxes and discovered that last time I did a full factory reset and restore in order to make it pull the update.

So I did a backup, did the reset, then logged back in with the default password (although it also wanted the WPS PIN - I had to crawl behind loads of junk to find that on the bottom of the box).

Then seeing as it was now on V2.01.03 I went into the restore dialog to be faced with:

http://www.infrared.webspace.virginm...%20restore.jpg

There didn't seem to be a way to point to the name of the backed up config file, the text box wasn't accepting input and the selection button was absent.

I did another power cycle and tried again with the same result. Eventually I hit refresh in the browser and lo and behold I could choose a file, and all was well. Very odd. It appears to be fine now, but seeing that message gave me an attack of the cold pricklies.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Aw well, I guess I'll get (yet another) free upgrade then :) I'm not complaining.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

I speculated about this when I got my email, but the addition of WiFi hotspots will actually add very little load to the network. Any upgrade will be to do with raising the down and up speeds.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

"free"

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

It's not costing me any more than the price rises I would get anyway, regardless of the broadband size I had, so yes it is 'free'

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Think you'll find prices will go up very quickly again in the New Year.

A £2 price rise in Line Rental in February I predict, totally unconnected with the speed increases of course....

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Perhaps so, but if the price increase was going to come anyway... at least I'm getting something for it. If it's say £2 as you suggest, I can live with a x2 increase for that amount.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

So it would appear.

I dont think it comes with a big sticker saying SH1 (or SH2) :)

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Easy test, if you can get a signal in the next room, it's not a SH1.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

I run in Modem Mode.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Is that because the wifi is ****?

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

this one made me laugh

so everyone turns of their devices when leaving home and never leaves things downloading? you know like ps4's that can download whilst in standby :)

VM in 2016 is going to be some fun, I need to get some popcorn, speed doubling + public wifi, congestion party time.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

UPC has had Horizon WiFi throughout Europe for a while; Comcast, Cogeco Cable and others in North America. It is not a significant contributor to capacity issues. The WiFi signal is rarely that good.

People browsing / streaming on the WiFi service while their PS4 or whatever downloads at home doesn't really add to network load. They would be browsing / streaming at home, so they've just moved that usage to the WiFi.

The only time this would be excepted would be if the home download were entirely saturating the customer's bandwidth.

If VM chose they could also deprioritise the WiFi traffic in local areas so it only gets the left over bandwidth after home customers' flows have been served. If they experience issues this is an easy step.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Devices they've left at home are irrelevant, the point is the bandwidth they're using on the shared wifi is bandwidth they would normally be using at home. They don't cart a second PS4 with them and download the same games and updates, do they?

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Anyway, the whole thing's up in the air now because anyone who factory resets their SH2 will be regressed to v1.01.29.

I.e. the party's off for now. No formal statement yet from VM - they are no doubt trying to conjure up some face saving words.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Have you seen what modern youth get up to?

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Incidentally, it's the opposite for mobile networks. I for one use more 3G/4G data when I'm abroad than when I'm in the UK.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

ok fair points I guess, but still I think 2016 may be interesting. :rolleyes:

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Nope.

I already have a perfectly good D615 (from Virgin) doing my Wifi.

I dont need it from the modem (or the SkyHub, which also has its Wifi turned off).

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Wow I'm not the only one still using the D615 :)

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

It's a good little workhorse. I still have mine.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

If it had gigabit, I'd probably still be using it.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

If it had 5Ghz, I'd probably be using 20.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

My girlfriends superhub 2 is running V1.01.29 and also appears to be broadcasting a Virgin Media SSID so the hotspot appears to still be running..

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

A superhub broadcasts a VM SSID by default unless you change it.

SH1 virginmediaXXXXXXX

SH2 VMXXXXXX-2G

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Used Acrylic Wi Fi Analyser and noticed VM7269205_EXT broadcasting. Could this be a VM hotspot?

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

No - the VM hotspot advertised as Virgin Media WiFi

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

She has the -2G one, the -5G one and then one just listed as Virgin Media.

There are no other wireless networks in this area.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Are you sure it's not a neighbour's?

If I go into wifi on my iPad, I can see my 4 wifi, and 2 x O2 and 1 x VM from my neighbours - and I live in a detached house.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

If I turn off her SH2 no networks show up at all, so I'm sure.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

What broken hope says is right i've got it on my router as well

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Thats a Wifi Extender being used from the look of it

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Never thought of that/

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Thanks for the info

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

VM have confirmed that the v2.01.03 SH2 firmware is being withdrawn on the grounds that field trials (i.e. the area roll-outs for the WiFi trials) have not passed the standard necessary for general release.

You may recall that this was a "base code" rewrite. VM said at the time that this was to handle the additional public WiFi service flow.

The unintended consequence was the modem mode problem as discussed on these forums. It is not known if there was any other concrete problem and Windows 10 has clouded forming a view on this.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Hopefully they can fix the firmware issue, was really looking forward to having a good source of out and about wifi.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

How about " you can keep your speed increase and KEEP MY BILL THE SAME"?

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Good luck with that one......

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

The SSID is just "Virgin Media".

Encryption is WPA2 - Enterprise.

Users login with a username and password, directly - as per standard WPA2 - Enterprise. It does not redirect you to a web page to log in.

My question is - does Virgin Media public WiFi log you out after a certain time?

I think BT WiFi logs users out after two hours?

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

According to the VM email they sent out (18th Aug), they only have two weeks left to get it all working. ;)

Quote "Get ready for free WiFi access In September, we’re enabling lots of Virgin Media Super Hubs (including the one in your home) to create new WiFi areas across the UK."

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Hey, they enabled lots of Virgin Media Super Hubs in September, they just un-enabled them again afterwards. Nobody said they'd stay enabled ;)

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

This service might be a way for someone to work out how oversubscribed their node is :p , drive around counting the wifi access points.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

I can work out how oversubscribed my node is by the speeds that I get at home!

By the way, I nerded myself round parts of RG41 5 when the VM Public WiFi was being advertised. I passed perhaps 500 homes and noted only two Public WiFi beacons.

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

Ah the memories... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warchalking

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing
 

You can't really extrapolate that out to a wider take up though. All depends what hardware those 500 homes had in them and whether that hardware was in the trial or not.