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Got any data to back that up?

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quality apart from GOT and blue blood it crap most over rated channel ever IMHO

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barb figures but not checked for a good while they might have improved a bit

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To be honest I can take or leave GOT , personally I've watched tons of shows off Atlantic and to be honest it probably one of the main reasons Sky still get my money. Even if I decide to leave in the future I'll still sub to Now TV mainly for this channel.

To be perfectly honest I never concern myself with viewing figures the contents either good or not , I've watched a few poor shows on there but overall it keeps us subscribing.

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http://www.barb.co.uk/whats-new/mont...g-summary?_s=4

Sky Atlantic gets around half a percent of the total viewing figures in April, May, June this year, as opposed to
BBC1 - 20%
BBC2 - 5%
ITV1 - 12%

Week ending June 15th

http://www.barb.co.uk/whats-new/monthly-top-30?_s=4

Most popular Sky Atlantic programme was, surprise surprise, GoT, which got just over 2 million viewers, about a fifth of all Sky TV subscribers.

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Blue Bloods is a US, Network TV, procedural cop show; it belongs on Sky Living. Really don't know why Sky choose to put it on Atlantic. And that's not an insult to the show itself.

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I would like Sky Atlantic on Virgin but only for the odd program as most of what`s on it doesn`t appealto me. What I don`t want though is Virgin paying over the odds for it. Now I`m not privy to any talks wih sky and virgin so I can`t say whether virgin want it on the cheap or whether sky are asking more than it`s worth but I suspect its a bit of both.

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me too want VM to get it for all that wants it but sky don't want anyone one to have it maybe that will change one day who know but cant see it for very long time if at all but I must admit I never thought we get the sport channels in HD either but it took years to get them probably be same with SA if it does come

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What about comparing to other Entertainment pay TV channels , terrestrial will always have far greater audiences.

Looking at May
Sky 1 has 0.98%
Sky Living has 0.74%
Fox has 0.37%
Watch has 0.35%
Universal has 0.32%
Comedy Central has 0.40%
Alibi has 0.34%
Lifetime has 0.12%
Sony TV has 0.06%
GOLD has 0.39%
SYFY has 0.20%

Most of the above are available on numerous pay platforms.

Re: £3 TV increase but BT Sport Europe is "free"
 

I'm not a fan of another price increase. I was hoping BT Sport Europe would be free for the time being as I hadn't see/heard anything until this thread, but that sadly isn't the case.

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But the weekly reach of the channel as a whole fluctuates between a third and half of Sky subscribers. I have no doubt it "works" for them.

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Certainly was not why I joined! Although, being able to watch True Detective is a nice bonus - even if it is not quite as good as the first series.

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Well I now have Sky Atlantic, Dave, so that theory worked well, didn't it?

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So's mine, actually.

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Exactly right, sam, which is why the Now TV option on Tivo would be an ideal solution, given the circumstances.

That way, those of us who want to pay a bit extra to get SA can get it and those who don't can choose not to pay it.

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well I hope sky change there stance one day OB and make it available but think it be very long time if they do I am glad you have it I know you wanted it put only because sky own now tv or you would have to change your tv to sky tv like I said it only available on a sky platform so theory is correct they wont let anyone else have it

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I'm surprised that Fox has so few viewers. We watch that more than Sky 1. Some damn good shows on there.

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Of course Sky want more people to watch SA, but they they do not really want you watching it via Virgin Media or BT TV. You have SA via Sky OB, no-one else. It makes no difference what streaming device you have bought. Now TV is Sky's streaming service and as such, you have to go through Sky to get it. Sky are not paying Now TV a comission, you are now a Sky customer. Simple as that. VM will never put in on TiVo because there is no business case for them to do so. Why would VM want to make it easier for everyone to pay Sky for Now TV via TiVo? It makes no sense.

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You can make the argument either way, Harry.

Given Liberty Global's expressed objective of giving cable customers maximum content from different providers, you could also say that giving us Now TV and all other available streaming services on just the one box, with streaming packages available, could be a USP for Virgin.

I know I am paying Sky for Now TV. I am also paying Netflix for Netflix.

Despite not being able to get NowTV on my Tivo box, I have it on my Roku streaming stick now, and others will do the same or through their gaming consoles. Either way, Sky is still going to get my money, so why should Sky or Virgin be bothered? The USP is the incentive for Virgin to assist their customers to get what they want all on the one box. To my mind, they're missing a trick (or being very slow about it).

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Not really. Why would Sainsburys sell Tesco stock? People will get Tesco stock, and Tesco will get the money. Why would Sainsburys want to help Tesco sales at the potential expense of their own? Sure Tesco would have to pay for the shelf space, thus reducing the profit they would make (like Sky would probably have to pay VM) so what is the point for either company? VM want to make it as difficult as possible (not that it takes much to push a few buttons though) for you to watch Now TV.

Why would it make sense for Amazon to go on to TiVo? They have a vested interest in their fire TV box/stick. It is irrelevant that it happens in the States, because things are different over there. Why would VM allow customers such easy access to a Sky business, when they have clearly been priced out of the market for SA by Sky? Only Netflix have the most to gain from being available to everyone, on any given device.

If it is such a good idea for everything on one box, why haven't Sky or BT done it yet?

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Not really; you believe what you want to believe, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

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I agree OB, Fox is far superior in my eyes. I wonder how much The Simpsons account for Sky 1 viewing figures, I imagine it would be a high percentage.

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sky atlantic isnt on vm as sky in their deluded mentality think that could get people onto their network from vm/bt.

vm get all the sports channels as they in their deluded mentality think it could get people away from bt and sky

bt keep amc away from vm and offer free football to broadband customers in their deluded mentality thinking it could get people away from vm and sky

remember people its illogical as most people get the cheapest or easiest/most available option. but these are corporate suits thinking up these ideas who probably dont even have a tv and are straight out of university paid for by daddy and so detached from reality. 1% of idiots own 90% of the worlds wealth or something frightening. These people arent of our thinking!!

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For what its worth, im very happy with the £3 pm extra for amount of extra sport I will be receiving (as a football/sport fan).
Although it is difficult to accept, as its being added to the sports price rise and my loss of loyalty discount. This now takes my package to easily over £100pm.
I don't see it as a price rise, as im receiving more for my money. Although I would have rather had seen it as an optional extra rather than compulsory.
If someone told me my sky sports package was to rise by £3 to fund the F1 channel (for example) I wouldnt be so happy.

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But are we getting more football/sport? Is it not just the case a chunk of it Is moving from Sky to BT Sport? I will go with the increase but that takes my monthly bill to over £130 which is ridiculous

Genuine question, haven't looked closely at it but is not basically the CL that we had on Sky is moving to BT Sport? Let's face it if your a football fan those are games you don't want to lose

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I might be thinking outside the box here but seeing as Sky have lost the Champions League games, what are the chances of a reduction in cost this season??? :rolleyes:

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none what so ever

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Interesting read:

http://www.theguardian.com/media/201...aims-broadband

"“Because subsequent price rises meant the advertised price claims for the packages did not represent the prices that consumers would pay throughout the minimum term of the contract, across both the promotional and standard periods, and because it was not made clear that the contract was a variable one in which prices could increase, we concluded that the ad was misleading.”

It ruled that the ads must not appear again in their current form and told Virgin Media not to suggest that a price would be fixed for the minimum term of the contract or for a certain period of time if that was not the case."

Where does that leave Virgin going forward? For example the Big Khauna bundle is being advertised at £32.99 for the first 12 months, £49.00 per month thereafter, plus £16.99 line rental yet we know this is going up by £3.00 very soon and probably further within the next 12 months.

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the price they show on the website are only for new customers sadly

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Doesn't matter if they raise prices you are entitled to cancel without penalty.

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This isn't the first time VM have been pulled up about misleading adverts. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19911432

Re: £3 TV increase but BT Sport Europe is "free"
 

I'm still in two minds. I watch quite a lot of non-football stuff (premiership rugby mainly) on the existing BT Sports channels, and that's nice to have in XL. But I have less than zero time for football.

So... on the one hand I really begrudge the £3 football charge now imposed, or is it that it's now a £3 charge for "football and rugby channels" that were previously free.

My broadband & TV is well out of contract, and a previous 18month discount ran out fairly recently. Phone has 5 months of rental saver yet to run...I really don't see cancellation or downgrade from XL viable for various reasons. TiVo convert, watch and record a lot of XL-only channels, poor BT broadband in my area....

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I`ve always had a problem with these promotions because a) the most inportant information as far as the customer is concerned is always way down the bottom of the advert in the tiniest possible print, and b) offers in my opinion shouldn`t be resticted to new custumers only every time.

Re: £3 TV increase but BT Sport Europe is "free"
 

I am quite happy with the £3.00 increase, as l am football mad. And yes, Spurs are in Europe.

BUT, what annoys me is that there are channels that we want, but VM wont give us. YET, they are quite happy to increase prices.

Come Sept, when Sky put there prices up - what is VM going to do ?

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Erm... that's to pay for the subsidised premium sport they have just added.

For goodness sake, stop moaning... you sports fans are getting a fantastic deal.

Re: £3 TV increase but BT Sport Europe is "free"
 

I think Arthur's talking about Sky Atlantic and ITV Encore (amongst others), and I have to say I agree with him on that one.

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As we have zero interest in any sport that involves a ball, not happy with the £3 increase so looks like we will be downgrading from XL to L, going to miss the HD channels but this is a price rise too much for us

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Indeedy.

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I suspect there would have been some sort of rise even if BT Sport Europe didn't happen.

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VM have decided to focus on sport, and that is where the money is being invested.

It is a focus that VM have decided upon, and that is fair enough. just don't expect them to have 'spare' money for other channels (even if Sky would let them have Atlantic).

If VM's focus doesn't suit you, then sadly there is little you can do about it other than finding another TV provider, or Cutting the Cord.

Re: £3 TV increase but BT Sport Europe is "free"
 

They already have increased , my family had increases of £5-6 in Feb 15. It's almost as if you find it acceptable for multiple price increases over a year. With this £3 increase that's over £8 in a year on a package costing just short of £60 an increase of over 13%.

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vm seem hell bent to increase prices. they would have gone up anyway without bt sport europe since weve had many over the top price increases in the last 18 months without any additional services or channels. at least this time they can say they brought us something for the hike in prices regardless of our individual views

my bill went up 3 quid a few months back and i got sod all. there seemed less anger back then though?? now people are being told the same price hike they seem more angry "i dont want football!" at least we're getting to see something additional rather than "soz lads ur bills up 3 quid......lol"

still think vm are increasing profit lines for a sell. vodafone latest rumour.

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The people who don't like football have another price rise they do not want, though. People generally expect and except annual prices to cover running costs, but BT Sports Europe is not running costs. It is a premium channel which non VM/BT customers have to pay for themselves. BT and VM have colluded to fleece non sports of extra money via BT BB or VM's xl package.

Non sports fans don't have anything additional to see as they simply don't want to watch sports.

Their individual views count because they all work hard, are being ripped off and have no say in the matter over additional premium content they don't want.

Ultimately, if it were not for this deal, non sports fans would be £3 a month better off and sports fans would have to pay extra to watch the premium content. Whether you agree or not, the deal really is not fair on non sports fans.

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I can accept an annual price rise for running costs, to get another one where the main focus of the letter informing me of the price change is bt sport europe with the other channels as almost an after thought isn't worth the rise for me as its a channel I will never watch

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Likewise. We have the XL pack for several of the documentary channels and the extra HD channels. I would quite happily forgo all the sport content and have a cheaper bill or downsize to L if the HD content were there as the extra channels can be streamed.

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Same approach I will be taking, will miss HD channels but not much choice here if you don't want to pay for sport. I would move to another provider but also want the Tivo 3 tuners approach so I can record 2 channels while watching a third. That way we can build up a whole series to watch later when we want and not having the risk of a series being dropped from on-demand before we've watched it all. A case on balancing what we need so L package here we come!

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Non sports fans are complaining about the price increase to cover the new BT Sports channels but what about us that pay for other channels we never watch? My household doesn`t watch the childrens channel,the shopping channels,the lifestyle channels,religious channels or listen to the radio stations but I accept them as part of the package I pay for. It would be great if we could all choose exactly which channels we had in our package,wouldn`t it?

Re: £3 TV increase but BT Sport Europe is "free"
 

There is a difference; the extra channels are Premium channels, which by definition, should be an extra cost to those viewing them, not everyone.

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We can cancel now as they are changing prices again?

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You can only cancel the affected service/s once you receive a letter saying your price is rising

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so yes then good. Major issue with the broadband been going on nearly a year now.

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Clearly Virgin aren`t classing them as Premium channels but never-the-less I still pay for channels in my package that I don`t watch or want to watch. There`s no difference in my eyes. When I subscribe to Sky Sports I get F1 channel included but I have no interest at all in watching motor racing so should I complain that I`m in effect paying for a channel I don`t want?

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Yes received the letter yesterday and it states near the end you can cancel or change packages with the end of August stated as the deadline for me to do this without incurring any "penalty". Obviously that is a general statement as I was out of contract on all services as of July so can cancel some/all when I want without penalty!

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I agree with telegramsam. I believe that VM have its customers over barrel. Regarding subs, and increases.

There are some channels that l wont watch, as they are crap - especially the +1 channels. Yet, we get charged for them.

I believe that with all the technology out there, We the customer should be able to choose what channels we want. But, VM are still in the dark ages.

They put the price up, and everyone is effected. Under Telewest, they used to have a channel called Horizon. which has some being programmes on. But Telewest pulled it off claiming that viewers were not watching it.

I like watching football, and don't mind paying the extra charge. But l think its unfair on customers that don't watch it.

Its not a question of BT Sport being FREE, well it isn't now - they put the price up. So how can be Free

Don't worry, come Sept /October, VM will increase it again and blame Sky.

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If you don't understand the difference between a Premium channel and a standard channel, then we are at an impasse. Free premium sports channels seem to have that effect ;)

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To me a Premium channel is one you pay for in addition to your usual package subs, i.e Sky Movies or Sky Sports,not channels included in your package. BT Sports in included in the XL package so I don`t see them s Premium channels. If Sky Sports was ever included in the XL package then I would say they have been downgraded.
At the end of the day its all about opinions. I understand those that don`t watch sport not being happy at the price increase but how many will be unhappy if say next week virgin add Sky Atlantic to the XL pack but say theres another price increase? If I didn`t like sport I`d downgrade my package but as I do I`m happy with things as they are for now.

Re: £3 TV increase but BT Sport Europe is "free"
 

Sky Atlantic isn't a Premium channel.

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absolutely it a basic channel

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What about this press release from Virgin Media in 2007?

http://about.virginmedia.com/press-r...gin-media-vips

"Virgin Media's new ‘Very Impressive Package' now includes Sky Sports channels for free"

Giving SKY Sports away for "free" is the biggest downgrade ever!

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On, Off, On, Off - A few harsh words spoken to VM CS reps about charging £3pm more and supplying a box that keeps turning itself on and off, on and off, on....

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07...in_tivo_reset/

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Well, I have already done something about it and I get Now TV via my new smart TV.

However, I still think that people would be impressed by having more streaming services on VM, and as I've said, this could be a USP for them.

I don't even think that VM would have to pay for it, as the consumer pays via a subscription directly to Sky.

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you do know sky would have to agree to allow that OB sky own now tv and they would not as they wont let anyone else have SA

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So I re rang CS today and instead of downing my package like I originally planned to I just said I didn't want to pay the increase but still keep what I had and the guy said ok. Gave me £12 credit and advice to re ring in 4 months to re negotiate. Which I will do.
Currently paying £70.49 for 152mb, Xl TV and anytime calls, 1 TIVO and one V+HD, and hopefully I will continue that price for another year when I re call.
Unless anyone has a cheaper target for me to aim for?

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Nowtv is not going to ever be on vm tiivo how many times does OB need telling VM already provide most of the channels on nowtv via their own platform so why on Earth would they risk losing that revenue by having Nowtv on their platform, never going to happen even my sources said it will never happen in a million years, something is coming to tivo but it isn't nowtv nor is it Amazon.

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It'll be some *****y shopping channel......:(

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Are we talking about a new on-demand service, channel or a software/product enhancement?

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Tell that to Sky as they want zillions for its content PB.

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It's only offered to VM at an extremely high price, to make sure they won't be interested. On Sky, it is a basic channel.

Unlike VM, Sky seem to understand the difference between a Premium and a basic channel.

Re: £3 TV increase but BT Sport Europe is "free"
 

Not really as its only for their own customers they wheel it out as a basic channel but for everybody else it classed as a premium channel PB.

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No it's a basic channel for anyone as it's included in a £6.99 package for anyone who chooses to subscribe with a BB connection.

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l certainly would not pay £6.99 as the picture quality is pretty dreadful on Now TV.

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I'd try setting your TV up with it again as it produces a pretty decent picture on all our three sets , not Netflix PQ but more than acceptable.

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On demand :)

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The pq is actually decent on nowtv on a full hd samsung 40inch led tv and if mumblings are to be believed the pq will improve once the new nowtv box is launched a roku3 basically for £14 not bad at all.

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The picture quality on the live streaming channels on Now TV does leave a fair amount to be desired, and it's that which stops me cutting the cord completely because that's how I would be watching sport. The on demand streaming does tend to be very good, however, and on a 42 inch screen I'm often hard pressed to distinguish it from full hd.

I'll await reviews of the new full hd service with interest, but I fear the inclusion of BT SPORT Europe in the xl package will probably be enough to sign me up again when my current deal is up, depending on how well Virgin can do on the overall package cost.

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But that's just speculation based on the fact they we don't have it.

I haven't seen Sky or Virgin confirm that this is the case though, Dave.

Re: £3 TV increase but BT Sport Europe is "free"
 

Have you asked VM or Sky why it is not on TiVo, OB? Perhaps they will explain to you why it is not on the TiVo. It seems (once again) nothing anyone writes on here is enough to satisfy you.

Re: £3 TV increase but BT Sport Europe is "free"
 

come on OB no other platform has it and you know sky's history of withholding channels you used to call them so bad for that and why do you expect sky to confirm they withholding it they will never come out and say they withholding it even though there clearly are

Re: £3 TV increase but BT Sport Europe is "free"
 

Never said it was?

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Why on earth should I? I'm not the one making these claims.

Considering how some on this forum ask for proof of their statements by posting links, the claim that Sky are actually deliberately withholding this channel from other providers has never been seriously challenged.

My belief (not my assertion) is that Sky is just asking too much for the channel.

Re: £3 TV increase but BT Sport Europe is "free"
 

I think if you went through with cancellation you could do better

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Well i spoke to Sky on live chat and you were right they eventualy offered me the lot for £25. I then asked about multiroom and was told that the £25 deal included multiroom with an extra sky HD box, so i asked how much to upgrad the extra HD box to a Sky+ and was told the deal would then be £40.25. I told am i would leave it then as that was quite an increase.

Am i right in believing that the standard HD box cant get on demand content?
Ifso its useless to me as i rarely watch anything live anymore.

On a side note does anybody know if the content on the TV from Sky app on PS3 / PS4 is in HD? Ifso this may be a better solution, instead of paying for multiroom.

One more question if anybody knows the answer, could i have the multiroom Sky HD box installed and then swap it myself to a Sky+, as i see they can be bought secondhand quite cheaply.

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To watch skygo on a console you'd need sky go extra which is a additional £5p/m, when i used my sisters it looked hd on my ps3.
You'd need sky+ enabled on any box you want to record on you'd have to phone Sky about it i think there may be a additional fee, it is automatically enabled and included on your main SKY+HD box.
The SKYHD multiroom box does not have on demand or catch up features.

Re: £3 TV increase but BT Sport Europe is "free"
 

OB, I was talking about NOW TV, not Atlantic itself. As I say, perhaps VM it Sky can tell you why it is not on TiVo.

Re: £3 TV increase but BT Sport Europe is "free"
 

BT is to increase it's line rental ans call packages in September to £17.99. How long before we also see an increase?

Look under some of our prices are changing tab

http://www.productsandservices.bt.co...phone-packages

Re: £3 TV increase but BT Sport Europe is "free"
 

Yes you can replace it yourself at anytime , just ensure the installer runs double cabling so you have two inputs by telling him you plan to replace it.

The standard Sky+HD boxes can be picked up pretty cheaply on eBay or at places like cash converters.

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"Dear Sir/Madam, We at Virgin Media strive to give our customers the best possible customer service. Unfortunately things do go wrong from time to time therefore following on from the recent disruption to your TiVo service please accept our offer of a credit on your next bill to the value of a days service."

Letter/E-mail received by no VM customer ever

Quick to increase prices, never offer a refund

Re: £3 TV increase but BT Sport Europe is "free"
 

Actually when we had problems for a couple of weeks with our broadband service they gave us a credit of £50 so its not all price rises Sir.

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Thanks for the info mate.

Id been looking at the boxes on ebay and thats what made me think of just buying one of them and then swapping it myself.

Good point about the double cable hadnt thought of that. Is the installer likely to install the double cable if he is only installing a standard hd box or would he more likely be a jobsworth about it?

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I'm 99% sure they'd run it if you ask in fact it could be standard cabling now but I'm not 100% about that.

Re: £3 TV increase but BT Sport Europe is "free"
 

Plusnet already announced a increase from £15.95 to £16.99 i think all isps will follow suite in the next 3 or 4 months.

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Frankly line rental prices are becoming beyond a joke and in my book there needs to be a inquiry as to why they are so high now.

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Agreed mate something needs doing about it but you'll get the usual "they need to cover their costs somehow" i have put in my cancellation to plusnet due to price rise and will be moving to BT in 2 weeks ironically BT own Plusnet and their unlimited 38mb fibre with line rental was cheaper than plusnet at the time i signed up £10p/m unlimited fibre 38mbs bb and £16.99p/m line rental bt sport lite included + £150 quidco cashback + £50 Sainsburys voucher adding those together works out about £38 profit for me lol.

Re: £3 TV increase but BT Sport Europe is "free"
 

Glad I've just paid a years line rental upfront with BT.

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all the prices are beyond a joke now Den mate

Re: £3 TV increase but BT Sport Europe is "free"
 

Wont he have to ring sky to pair the second hand box up with the smart card? And do sky charge for this?

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Nope just follow this link

http://help.sky.com/articles/set-up-your-sky-box

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Agree entirely mate. They should be coming down in price not going up as technology must be making providing the line cheaper as the years go by? It`s just a money making scam by the likes of BT and Virgin.

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If theirs another increase to line rental then I'd rather have a third mobile contract and end the line rental. Or better still buy a cheap mobile just using the freedompop sim when it launches costing zero for 200 mins texts and data....and leave it just for home calls using free voicemail as well, will end the PPI calls as well.

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Thanks I stand corrected. Pity you can`t do the same with Virgin but of course you can`t buy virgin boxes off ebay (legally anyway).

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excellent point den. its a ridiculous charge which shows no sign of slowing down. the fact we need a home phone line too to take advantage of most of the cheap offers is appalling too.

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BT are putting their line rental up on 20th September to £17.99, I wonder how long it'll be before VM follow suit

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BT have to fund the sports rights that they have paid excessive amounts for and VM will have to find more money to subsidise the 'free' BT sport. So I expect that you are right; VM line rental will increase.

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Agree entirely Vince. I`d get rid of my phone line but god knows how much my broadband would then cost!

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Not just unfair charges with telephone lines... why on earth do I have to pay rental for a gas or electric meter just so they can tell me how much to pay - its an unfair charge that should not be allowed