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:handshake

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Struggling with English again I see

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struggling with reality again i see , you said it and we all read it .....

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I struggle with many things in life, but admitting I'm wrong isn't one of them.

You should try it Martyh, it will set you free. :D

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I'm quite happy to look an idiot and you can quite happily explain what you have written but that's not how I read it , I'm glad you decided to back track on what you meant and now it is clear I'm a plank for thinking you had the intelligence for a proper discussion without insults :D





Agreed, it's just too difficult to leave the security of the Nanny which is why I agree with the proposed government plan , and only people like yourself have names for me with my attitude ;), and just to add when these spongers (doing as well as myself as you say) are still paying their subsidised rent in 10 years I'll be happily mortgage free at the ripe old age of 47 :D, i know which situation I'd rather be in ......

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This whole business finally convinces me that Osborne hates the ordinary man in the street.

First they bring out the evil Bedroom Tax, now they bring out this. Its another way of getting back to people who have got a council house, made some money and earn a lot of money - what is wrong with that.

Osborne deserves to be put up against a wall and read the riot act, by the millions of people that he has made misery of

Why doesn't he just bring out Mansion Tax - for people that live in large houses and have rooms that wont be used.

Its always the normal Joe blogs in the street that he hits. If l lose my job tomorrow which can happen - l have been edge for the past few years with cuts looming. I have an extra room - I will have to pay Bedroom Tax

If he brought out in the budget that he will increase taxes for the rich. That would ease the pain - but l bet he wont

Osborne and Cameron are multi millionaires, so money is not object.

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No mod edit?

That's usually how it works?

Pay the market rate. If you don't like it mod editoff and the pay the market rate elsewhere. Stop bleating and get on with it.

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no he hates the fact that a large % of them are on state subsidies and wont leave the nanny states teat and stand on their own two feet .

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:clap: If he does not succeed then we'll all be bled dry.

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This is just a bit of encouragement by the government to get them to stand on their own 2 feet.

a bit like the unemployed. (get out and get a job push) but (get out and get your own house and give the council one back to those less well off than you)

:)

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So are you saying that I and many others should subsidise those lucky enough to live in a council house, paying below market rates despite earning enough to pay them?

I live in private rented housing, and have done for years. I do not earn a huge wage, and frankly find it a bit much for people to want to literally take from others in similar situations just based on who owns the house they rent from.

Everybody would love to have a little bit extra to save for a house, but that should not be a subsidy from taxpayers for some, while others have to not only pay for them, but face being unable to save themselves because of the disparity in rents.

Social housing should be provided for people in need, and assistance with rents to those whose standards of living would be too low otherwise, not to fund a deposit or enhance peoples lifestyles beyond that which the average working family can achieve in the private sector.

Also, name calling isn't on, argue the ideas, not the person as your attitude can easily be seen as a classic case of rent seeking.

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yes its an attempt to get the suckler's off the nanny states teat. too many people "can't save for a mortgage" or move on because it inhibits their ability to buy fags booze and 60" tv's ,so the comfort blanket provided by the local council only serves to keep the cycle of suckling the life out of the economy alive and kicking ;)

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Another brainless post by Pierre :rolleyes:

I suppose if Osborne decided you should pay more for your mortgage simply because you earn more than the bloke next door you wouldn't be upset in the slightest :rolleyes:

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Explain how my rent is subsidised

Explain what I am taking from others

I've been subsidising people through my taxes for 30yrs

.

Rubbish ,that has never been the intention of social housing and never will be ,social housing was built to house workers not to segregate 1 section of society from the rest ,that happened a lot in the 60's and 70's and ended up with slum dwellings ,the very thing social housing was meant to get rid of ,now we have social housing open to everyone mixed with private housing a much better arrangement.I lived in private rented houses for years and wouldn't thank you for it ,no security ,poor maintenance and high energy bills,now I have security (that's housing security for dum and dummers benefit) and a well maintained house for my £110 p/w

If I get insulted to the extent that Bulky and smurf did I will retaliate ,although what that's got to do with you I don't know

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insults? what insults

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Seriously?

You suggested I move to better myself ,not only insulting me but the thousands of decent hard working council tenants just like me ,you suggested I am a sponger because I live in a council house and pay full rent with no state assistance at all ,I'm surprised you haven't thrown in racist as well ,that's your usual trick when someone doesn't agree with you especially over your love affair with Farage

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well i'm just flabbergasted i only asked why do you not move to a better private area if the cost is equal to your council house rent, and i don't believe i used the term scrounger , and as for throwing in racist and your rant about Farage the mind just boggles .

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What the feck do you think is wrong with my area that's the 3rd time you suggested I move to a better area all you know is that it is a council estate ,that tells me you are extremely prejudiced against those who live on council estates,just because you grew up in a **** hole doesn't mean we all did ,now take your horrible prejudiced attitude and do one :mad::mad:


Maybe the warning that Damien gave you might jog your memory.

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martyh martyh martyh calm down i only asked why you lived where you do when the rent elsewhere is the same maybe they wont let you keep the sofa on the front lawn on a private estate who knows -"do one" ? is that chav slang for something ?? i really don't understand your aggressive tone towards me you seem to take issue at every thing i post is it that you are prejudiced towards me for some reason .

re Damien what warning ?

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yes your right but
if some council house tenants are force to pay market rates
the best option for them is to use the right to buy.
and if that happens there will be no council houses to give back

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Good

My over half has a friend who earns 30k per year and her partner earns approx 20k per year and they pay £350 ish rent a month for their council house (three bedroom semi)

No reason they could not buy their own place they just like the easy life

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My mortgage is set by the market, what is your rent set by.

I asked a question you didn't answer. Do you pay the market rate for the rent for your property? Yes or no will suffice.

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Because the Mansion tax would be for people that own their own home whereas the Bedroom Tax is for people that have homes owned by the council? Beggars can't be choosers ...

I think it's a brilliant idea by George. The Conservatives whilst not perfect have taken quite a few bold, correct decisions. This country is too reliant on free benefit handouts. Why should I work hard to own/privately rent my home whereas people that are earning the same as me get subsidised rent through the council (and free repairs etc)?

Yes some of you may be paying the market rent, but clearly there are people that are paying below market rentals. This should target those below market rental payers only.

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How are you subsidising his or anyone else paying their full rent in social housing?

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where i live a three bed semi £600 pm- 4 bed detached £900 pm- 3 bed terraced £450 pm does that compare with council rents?

3 bed semi council house £344 pm [and some say that's not subsidised

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Similar. My wife's mate and her partner have a council house and have their own business along with fancy cars. They also have property abroad. Doesn't feel right.

Biggest travesty of all was Bob Crowe, when he was alive. 145k a year and living in a council house.

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Very simple.

If people in social housing earning enough to pay market rates, especially provided by the council, that extra funding to the council would go to building more social housing and help balance council budgets.

Instead we have many councils buckling under lower central funding and having to either cut services or tax people more. Subsidised rents are not free by any means, and the shortfall in money from them has to come from somewhere. We have a shortage of social housing primarily because there is no money to make more, so yes, people who can afford markets rates should pay them, so those who cannot (And there is a current 2 million waiting list for social housing remember) can have access to them.

Social housing should be more widely available, subsidised rents should be means tested.

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Stop blaming the people living in them, instead direct your wrath at whoever made the policies...

You're all taking out your bitterness on the wrong people, it's not like they have any degree of control over the price the rent is set at is it, for Gods sake look at yourselves all sniping at council house tenants. You should be ashamed of yourselves, you have no idea of their personal circumstances, or whether or not they pay full rate or not.

If you want to bleat and moan about the 'unfairness' of it - and you're not wrong it IS unfair, well guess what?

Life is unfair.
The world is unfair.

I suggest you cry about it to someone who can change it, and not the poor sods who live there and have absolutely no power to do anything about it.

And think before you so blithely say 'Oh well just move out then and let someone else have it' These people will have jobs, kids, family, infrastructure where they are, they can no more just up & go than you lot can.

The stereotypical resentment from some people on this board is frankly mind boggling, I guess the current Govt did a really good job of 'divide and rule' didn't they.

I've been a house owner, I've been a private renter, and now I'm a Council Tenant. I pay full rent.

I've also been employed in middle management, I've been bankrupt, I've been divorced, I've had all sorts of events happen to me that I've had no control over at all. Some of you will to over your lifetime. Think. Before you speak so casually against other people whose lives you have no real idea about. Like mine.

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I frankly do not care about personal circumstances, which is why I said about social housing subsidies being means tested.

Those with the ability to pay market rates, should, simple. It's not a personal dig at all and frankly I'm a bit annoyed that asking for fairness in society and a level playing field is now seen as "bleating"

We need a decent stock of social housing in this country, we also need a good safety net. Rent seeking and everyone claiming that their personal circumstances are worthy of special treatment while others in similar financial circumstances are not because of who they rent from is absurd.

You are damned right about "divide and rule", you seem to see fit to benefit from what others can only dream of, while in social housing while having no thought of others having to get by in the private sector and worse, that claiming that "It's alright for me gov, why are you moaning" when there is a massive shortage of social housing because of a chronic lack of funding is galling.

Thankfully, there is word that higher earners are to pay market rates, so for once, the policy makers are doing it right: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10366555.html

If you earn £30,000 a year (£40,000 in London) there is no reason why you shouldn't be paying market rates for housing, ever.

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Don't tell me, tell someone who can change it! - Hence my 'bleating' comment, you can bitch at me or anyone else who lives in these houses til the cows come home, it won't Change. Anything.

Go cry to your MP or something if you want change.

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Read the link I posted, they are changing it, and using a means tested system pretty much exactly how it should be.

Those who can pay market rates, should. If you don't like that, tough, the same applies the other way.

For the tl'dr crowd "From 2017/18, those on incomes above £40,000 in London and £30,000 in the rest of England who live in social housing will be charged a market or near-market rent."

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He wasn't the only one either, one of Red Ken's right hand men also seems to have been in great need of social housing:

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/kens-...e-6651527.html

Yeah well "I'm entitled ain't I!"... :rolleyes:

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So some of that 6- 900 pounds per month is being used to keep others rent at 344

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Quite right, he should've used his right to buy and taken it out of council stock all together

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no its subsidised from the council tax we all pay into making council rents much cheaper than the going private rent
so when some say they are paying "full rent " they aren't they are getting a huge discount from the nanny state

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A stupid question but how do you know if you're paying full or being subsidised?

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just look at local house rents for comparable property, around here council rent is around %25 cheaper and who picks up the slack the tax payer

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If you knew what you are talking about it would be good ,there is no subsidy from council tax or any where else ,the only difference between my rent and the private rent down the road is the profit margin ,council rents across the country are set using the private sector in the local area as a level .

Despite repeated requests no one has managed to explain how rents are subsidised ,because they are not .

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utter tosh -i just can't take you seriously 25% less than private rent is not setting an area level its subsidising a lifestyle choice you just refuse to accept it .

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then your area must be special either that or your just making stuff up to try to justify your weak argument

Show some facts ,figures ,local authority accounts to show this supposed subsidy and how much it is and who pays it ,if it comes out of council tax which you claim ,guess what ,I pay full council tax as well

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i'm not part of your beloved nanny state if want information get off you behind and look yourself - any way i find it very difficult to converse with you when you are constantly so aggressive and insulting your not interested in facts you won't accept any opinion other than the one that suits you ....
full council tax does that equate to the 25%saving on the rent

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I've tried my best to keep out of this one but.....

This page from Your Homes Newcastle (your landlord?) explains how rents are set. It says nothing about rents being based on comparable private rented properties in the local area, it then links to this page which explains Government Policy On Rent Reform And Convergence. In this explanation there's a very interesting part which says:

So it looks like your understanding of how rents are set is pretty wrong and looking at your landlord's website maybe even they feel your getting a bit of a bargain!! Granted it doesn't say anything about low rents being subsidised but it also makes it clear they are intentionally below the going 'private' rate.

Cheers

Grim

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In other words you have no facts ,you cannot show how rents are subsidised and your argument has no basis in fact .

For you information rent levels across the country ,in all LHA's use the same process to set their rent levels and that includes market value of the house ,average earnings in the area and number of rooms in the house ,also all housing associations use exactly the same method ,this method has been in use for some years now and was introduced to reduce the disparity between Council rents and private rents .I suggest the next time you feel the need to spout off you get off your backside and look for the facts first .

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How about using my area as an example. Trafford MBC set the Affordable Rent at up to 80% of market rent as laid down by the National Affordable Housing Programme 2011-2015, so when living in social housing Trafford tenants receive at least a 20% reduction against those renting comparable properties from private landlords.

https://www.trafford.gov.uk/about-yo...ategy-2012.pdf

I have no problem with anyone living in social housing but to say that they are paying the same amount as would be charged for an identical property in the private sector is highly questionable in view of the way council approved rents are calculated using the Affordable Rents Scheme.

http://www.affordablehomeadvice.co.u...nt-scheme.html

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Which is what I have written below for Papas benefit which is pretty much exactly what I said all through the thread ,minus the profit margin my rent is pretty much the same as any private rent of a similar property in the same or close area

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well that blows martys fabrication out of the water perhaps the next time he feels the need to spout off he should get off the sofa walk into the house and check out the facts

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its all coming out now

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Your example leaves 20% profit above the council rent for the private landlord ,if you take that profit off any private rent you will find the rents very similar ,simply because the private landlord will use similar methods to set their rent ,they will use size of property ,location of property ,value of property and how much rents are set in the area. There simply is not any subsidy

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I wrote exactly the same as Grimm you numpty :p::p:

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Here in Cardiff rents were changed a short while ago, so that you pay by number of bedrooms no matter where you live in the city, no matter what condition they may be in.

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Its not subsidised from council tax or anything else in fact over the life of the property even taking repairs, buying the origional land and building it the council makes a healthy profit

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you said you paid the same rent as the private sector you don't it is significantly less which is in effect a subsidy gifted to you by the nanny state
i'm going to sit here and laugh at you now ,

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You are reading what you want to see not what is written

this is what I wrote in post 1

post 6

My stance all through the thread has been that rents for LHA's are very similar if not the same minus the profit component .

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still laughing

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@ martyh. :erm: Why does the profit element have any bearing on the fact that you will be paying at least 20% less than a person renting a comparable property from a private landlord.

The amount in question is the amount actually paid by the person renting a property. The formula being used does not take into account any profit being made from the rental.

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It's not council tenants paying 20% less, it's tenants of private landlords paying 20% more. Because if you can't get a council house, your only option is to pay the extra the private landlords demand.

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Because the only reason private rents are higher than LA rents is because of the profit element which could be anything depending on what the landlord wants or needs to make ,that is why the rent formula uses
this method to calculate rent

30 percent of a property’s rent should be based on relative property values;
•
70 percent of a property’s rent should be based on relative local earnings; and
•
a bedroom factor should be applied so that, other things being equal, smaller properties have lower rents.

expressed as a formula

70% of the national average rent Multiplied by relative county earnings
Multiplied by the bedroom weight
plus
30% of the national average rent
Multiplied by relative property value

A local example to me would be this
I pay £110 p/w for a 3 bed semi council house built around 1950-55 unfurnished ,

This house

10 mins walk from mine also a 3 bed semi is 635p/m or £48 per week more than mine £48 could be considered a very modest profit for a house of that standard ,my point being that private rents and council rents are not that different in reality especially when you consider that the quality of that house is far superior to mine ,that house is newly decorated, modernised and carpeted ,my house was a absolute pig sty when I moved in with an overgrown garden and no decorating been done for years

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so this man pays the same rent as a private renter and asks how is it cheap

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and this man pays nearly £200 per month less than the private renter
but they are the same man living in the same house and its still not cheap

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only £200pm less considering the superior quality of the house
compared to a council house

Or is the private renter paying £200 pm more because of superior quality

Despite your professed knowledge of living in council houses you seem to forget that council houses are very basic and it's up to the tenant to make them nice ,it's the exact opposite for private properties

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are you not this man

Quote:=martyh

Good god man are you not reading what you are writing ,that is the most prejudiced statement yet ,you seem to think that the area I live in is somehow a bad area because it is a council estate what on earth gives you the right to suggest I need to better myself because I live on a very nice council estate


but now its very basic -do you have the only basic house on this nice estate- take your time making up the next load of drivel you post as your fabrication seems to be falling apart

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The social housing my partner has in Cardiff costs approx £400 a month, and that's after healthy rent increases in the past few years. I believe it was a little over £300 a month when she moved in. The last time I checked which was around 6 months ago, the rent for a similar property in her area with a private landlord was between £900 and £1100 a month.

She's not grumbling much about rent increases because she knows she's been lucky to have had a massive subsidy for the 9 years that she has lived there.

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Wow you seem determined to twist everything I say to suit your viewpoint .Council houses do not generally come furnished , decorated or carpeted ,they are very basic ,it's up to the tenants to make them nice when this happens you end up with a nice estate like mine ,of course you wouldn't accept this because you think that inhabitants of such houses are **** bag scroungers living off the nanny state .You gave away your prejudice in your first post and have continued to reinforce that attitude in every post you write

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the worrying thing to me is that councils are not handling public assets correctly offering massively subsidised rents is not getting the tax payer a fair return on their assets in fact revenues could be at least 25% higher and in these austere times we need every penny of revenue to balance the books we are all in this together

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yes its all my fault again you make things up and i'm to blame- i have not called any one a **** bag or a scrounger that's your interpretation of council estate residents not mine .

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what exactly have I made up do please enlighten everyone

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what haven't you would be easier -don't you worry about every one else they can all read

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that's a rather interesting slant on the situation maybe worth a thread of its own [exploitation of private renters ];)

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This one for £550 pcm

http://sellsgood.co.uk/real-estate/r...arking/5871699

or this one £429 pcm

https://www.openrent.co.uk/property-...eet-cf81/38728

Not having a dig or anything but I would suggest that the prices you are seeing include agents fees and are not strictly comparable to social houses

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so in other words you can't actually back up your statement...... again:rolleyes:

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I've been trying to find clear information on this today following the budget without much success. Is this effecting the whole of the UK or just England and Wales?

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Actually I think he saw sense and left things as they are

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If it's not devolved it affects everywhere.

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Well I asked MartyH at least twice now whether he pays the market rate for his property and he hasn't answered. Make your own mind up.

Bleat, bleat , bleat.

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Lucky for you your rent won't be going up then :)

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I did ,in the very next post to your question ,which you would know if you bothered to read any of the posts

I await your next snide remark with interest

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Damn, damn, damn! :)

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simple answer is no by his own admission he pays almost £200 per month less than the market rate .
but in his mind the council check the local going rent totally disregard it and give him a house £200 CHEAPER
i'm sure he will now get nasty call me names and try to change his evolving statements again but facts is facts .

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Pay the market rate then and stop whinging.

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Not for much longer thanks to Gorgeous George

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I pay £360 for mine a month, property is worth around or sells for around 80k-92k

So would the council class that as market value or the price they would sell it to me for which would be around 48k-54k

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Good job you don't live in the south house prices are stupidly high. Those who can afford the market value are people who cannot afford the deposit on the modest £230K two bed houses. There are also lots of private estates being built which only 10% have to be council/housing association builds, some of these are part buy part rent as well.

Tory social engineering at its best.

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can they afford the bus fare up north you could get 4 two bed houses for that money

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The reference I saw just mentioned London and the rest of England. I don't know about Scotland but my guess is the Welsh government will not enforce this, they will reduce services further to raise the additional revenue.

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As I have said previously, all council house rents should have had any subsidy removed the day that Housing Benefit began.

My reasons are that it is double provision and benefits the better off. Prior to the introduction of Rent Rebates (the forerunner to Housing Benefit for council tenants) rent subsidies were a form of help to those on low incomes as it was presumed that all those in social housing were of limited means.

Of course, that is not true today as you have stated yourself on many occasions. I suspect that this is more about you not wanting to lose a taxpayer funded perk than anything else.

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Not much use if you are 200+ miles from your job tho.

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we do actually have work in the north and although the wages my be lower than that london or that down south so is the cost of living ;)

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Here's an example(one of MANY) from the Joseph Rowntree Foundation.
March 2015 Financial Times

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How is his rent subsidised?

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by not charging the market value of the rental property ie £200 pm cheaper

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That's not a subsidy, no one is making up the 200 pounds a month

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well your half right no one is making up the deficit hence the cuts in services to keep the subsidised low rents in operation on benefit street uk .

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Right, so no one is making up any shortfall but his rent is still subsidised :scratch:

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A subsidy is a form of financial aid or support extended to an economic sector (or institution, business, or individual) generally with the aim of promoting economic and social policy

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What form of financial aid or support is he receiving?

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rent at £200 pm lower than that which can be attained for the property he rents , we seem to be going around in circles here which ever way you look at it council rents are subsidised and way cheaper than comparable property on the private renting market .

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Another way of looking at it is pretty much all council housing was built thirty, forty, fifty plus years ago, any subsidy that was spent by government building them has been repaid many times over and what marty could well be doing is giving the council pure profit each month. Council housing is a national asset that pays hundreds of millions into the system each year and how do we treat it, as something to be given away for peanuts under right to buy schemes and I really wouldn't compare the market if i were you, it's been manipulated to such a degree the economic rules of market forces and supply and demand no longer apply.

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look at it this way he and in-fact all well off council house renters could be giving them more profit each month to the tune of 25% more which could go into local gov coffers and benefit all.
my house was built in 1897 i wouldn't offer a rent reduction based on its age .

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Not the point though is it?

The point is that Marty is living in a council property enjoying a lower than market rate of rent, when he can well afford to pay a market private rent, or mortgage.

Whereas some one who is less well off has to pay the full market rate, or if they are on benefits, the tax payer pays their full market rent.

The most needy should be in council houses.

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i agree with you that they are for the most needy not the most greedy .

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The cost of building them in the first place is subsidised.

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The subsidies and grants are still in place today.

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More profit is what's got us in this housing mess, you keep banging on about the market but who in their right mind would use our current housing bubble as a guide to anything, we have buy to leave investors snapping up vast swathes of property just to sit on, not to rent but sell on empty in a few years at a profit due to cutting an already limited supply, estate agents literally making rents up as they go along in an attempt to screw a few more quid out of people and the biggest subsidy of all that people should be moaning about that actually costs us all real money is the land lord subsidy of housing benefit.

Beside which i don't even think this is new policy, not with housing associations anyway, my pal's tenancy is reviewed every five years and one of the things they look at is how much he earns. Extending it to council housing is quite logical and I'll have to check this but iirc the earning limit they have set is actually higher than his housing association set. Also imo the reason people like housing association and council property isn't because there a bit cheaper, it's because the tenancy is more secure, you aren't beholden to the whim of a landlord.

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Exactly the cost of building them was subsidised and in most cases has been repaid many times over. The grants were actually scrapped for a time, hence why some housing doesn't have a right to buy attached

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How can you say it's in the past, when the subsidies/grants are still in place to this very day. Something built last century, decade, year, or week has been subsidised.

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It makes no sense for btl investors to buy and not rent out the property. We borrow the money that we use to buy the property so we have to pay interest on that money. Why on earth do you think that we don't rent the property out? We are paying out money for the privilege of owning it. We want to recoup our outgoings. Why would you think that we don't rent the property out? What planet are you living on? Estate agents don't let properties. You really don't have a clue. Please have a read of this. It's a very good read :)

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What's this we, you're not one of them, you're not in their league, you're not even playing the same game as them. why don't you have a look at the link below and open your eyes

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...ors-uk-housing

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Because the vast, vast majority of social houses built have had their subsidies paid back over and over.

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and there was i thinking that it was too many holding out the begging bowl for nanny state handouts but it seems that it was wanting a fair return on investment that was the problem ,maybe we should just give them the house for free along with all the other state handouts .

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Do you begrudge those in council houses or housing association or something? You really are showing yourself up here.

The rents are cheaper in social housing, but it doesn't mean it's subsidised, just market rates are higher because they are privately run. I don't see what the problem is here.

What kind of idiot would give up their social housing even though they could afford privately owned rented accommodation, just because of the ethics. It's the terms and agreements that come with social housing that offers the security that people need. Also for some that could afford to rent private probably wouldn't be able to get a mortgage or do not want to go down that road for giving up the security they have. Sounds like sour grapes to me.