Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Is that racist billboard for real?

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Actually, these arguments were made, Chris, but the public weren't having any of it.

1. Food banks have sprung up of late, but this shows that there are good natured and well meaning people trying to help people less well off than themselves. I'm not convinced, frankly, that the food banks are a reliable indicator that things have got worse.

2. Prices are going up? Have you seen the inflation figures? The reduced price of fuel more than makes up for the increased food prices. This wouldn't have happened under Gordon Brown - remember his fuel price escalator?

3. The zero hours contract issue is a desperate move by Labour to make a problem out of nothing. The vast majority of new jobs are not zero hours contracts and the figures prove it. In any case, such contracts suit those who want flexibility. The Coalition was already on the case to sort out those employers who were abusing it.

4. There is no such thing as the bedroom tax. It is a benefit, and the Conservatives have made no bones about reducing these, which have my full support. This is my money Labour wants to give away. How can it be fair that people on benefits and in council housing can claim this when those renting private accommodation cannot? What the Coalition did was to even up the playing field.

5. As for the debt, of course it's increased. Until the deficit is reduced and becomes a surplus, the debt will continue to increase as well! How can the debt be paid off before the deficit is reduced? It is this economic illiteracy spouted by Labour that has fooled so many. Let us not forget who gave us this deficit and who spent all our money on foolish Labour whims so that we couldn't fund the economic collapse when it came.

Under this Government, you will see the deficit become a surplus just after about three years (or maybe before if we can dispose of our shares in the banks and make a profit sooner rather than later) and the debt will start to come down at last. I had no confidence whatsoever (and nor did the thinking electorate) that Labour could have achieved this, and with the SNP snapping at their asses, spending would have got out of control again and the debt would be massively bigger by the end of this Parliament.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Too true - like a lot of her colleagues past and present.


@ Den - I'd go for it mate - you'd do a better job I reckon. ;)

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:tu:

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She's standing for London Mayor apparently. I hope she loses that and becomes Labour leader so we can consign them to more years in the wilderness.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

No chance. She thought Ed Miliband wasn't left wing enough. She's a dinosaur and would take Labour in exactly the wrong direction.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

She needs to be a dinosaur to support that mammoth chip on her shoulder.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Chuka Umunna withdraws Labour leader bid

Hmm. Level of scrutiny rather than pressure I suspect.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

A Labour source says Chuka Umunna withdrew from leadership bid because of an article in a Sunday paper, & it's "bad".

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Spending your summers in a £1m villa in Ibiza called "The WhiteHouse" :erm:

Maybe he thinks he's Labours Obama?

Katie Hopkins in my red-top is tipping Tristram Hunt:

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Another one of those 'in touch with ordinary folk' Labour people bites the dust. Quelle surprise!... :rolleyes:

When are they going to wake up and realise that spending their lives rubbishing 'Tory toffs' whilst secretly doing their very best to emulate them no longer fools anyone other than those with rose tinted glasses and selective memories?...

After a quick search I just found these:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-election.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Wikipedia.html

No hint of what 'revelations' might be coming but the latter made me think of Grant Shapps for some reason... :D

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Support fom Katie Hopkins? That's the kiss of death for his political career then! :D

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

"After a quick search (of the Daily Mail) I just found these" :)

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

tbf, that was one of the down-sides of the Conservatives winning the election - she said she would leave the UK if Labour won.....

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Every time she opens her mouth she puts her foot in it..

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Nope - I found them after a quick Google search I found a number of references including those above. The likes of the BBC don't mention the 'revelations' being alluded to so no point quoting them. Also, bear in mind I don't have access to several online newspapers which have paywalls so my choice of sources is somewhat limited now. Pity but maybe that's why the Mail does so well online. ;)

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Maybe we can still persuade her to do us all a favour... :D

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It sure is big enough... :D

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

...speculation that a weekend newspaper is preparing an exposé

link

they will probably reveal what's under that hideous "flappy" coverall that his girlfriend is wearing

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/05/23.jpg

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

We'll have to see what happens on Sunday. It does appear suspicious, he only joined the race a few days ago and he suddenly pulls out? It could be a Sunday expose or maybe it's true that he suddenly had second thoughts about it.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Rather that than what's under his suit... :D

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Has Umunna only just discovered that being the leader of a party might just expose him and his family/friends to media scrutiny?? Where's he been plying he trade for the last few year FGS? :confused:

The various parties all indulge in smearing their high profile opponents in one way or another and stirring up media interest in them and their loved one is a very common way of doing so. That being the case what on Earth did the supposedly astute Umunna think would be the case when he threw his hat in the ring?

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Well if we assume there isn't a big story about to come out then maybe his heart was never really in it and he just ran because everyone expected him too? It's very bizarre. Apparently his girlfriend's grandmother had press at her door and he was just taken back by the amount of attention he was getting.

Again, that's if there isn't a story on Sunday.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Maybe we've become so accustomed to lying, cheating, devious politicians that we don't recognise a simple honest mistake when we see one...

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

He's the wrong man for the job anyway. It will be interesting to see if he has anything to hide though.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Maybe they can get Dan Jarvis to u-turn

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Will he be damned for changing his mind if they do? :D

I'd really like to see a new face like that in charge. Maybe then Labour could be the party they should be and forget all the dinosaur policies which will never het them elected.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

According to The Times tomorrow it does seem that he just hated what the past week has been like. Sounds it was really getting to him. To be honest I don't see why anyone would want that level of attention or pressure but then I wouldn't run for the leadership of a major political party (or a small one for that matter :D).

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

You think that he would have known that :dozey::rolleyes::D

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

The difference being the party members can deliver that judgement in the leadership election itself. ;)

I think the 'party they should be' is the problem. Some want a centrist party closer to what New Labour were and others want a union-loving socialist party. It's hard to know what Labour could do.

Who is a Labour voter? Is it people working in public services? That can only get you so far. They then probably need people who are considered 'working class' in the former industrial communities where they used to be so strong but these demographics are probably better spoken to by the Tories policy on personal taxation (Lib Dem idea btw :) ), fuel duty freezes or UKIP and their policy on immigration.

I don't actually know to be honest.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

What you mean like the unions did with Miliband? ;)

Labour's 'us and them' approach is out of date and does them no favours now the power of the unions isn't what it was. They rely heavily on perpetrating the simplistic notion of rich v. poor, north v. south, x v. y and people have heard it all before. Moving to the left has been a disaster but it'll take a long time before I (and I suspect many other people) will trust them again, no matter what they claim to be.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Linky

So not made by a "working class" man?

Funny that the Labour party would want to keep it hidden. :rofl:

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Yeah odd that. :rolleyes:

It wouldn't have surprised me if it'd been made by someone on a zero hours contract but there we are.

I'm sure its comedy value far exceeds anything else so maybe we could have a whip-round and buy it for Arthur... :D

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Oh dear another Same Old Labour face has decided to quit:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-32760196

It seems a very long time ago that the usual suspects here were gleefully rejoicing at the prospect of all those evil Tories losing the seats and privileges. A week's a long time in politics eh?...

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Think Murphy has been treated harshly. He inherited a dire situation and whilst he failed to turn it around it has to be said it would have proven very difficult given the momentum the SNP had.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Yes he inherited a mess but the NO campaign was rubbish and he paid for that too.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Chuka would have been just the man we need in a crisis. Folded within 3 days. Thankfully.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

He was too young and inexperienced to be perfectly honest and l am sure his time will come again when he is more able to handle the media intrusion.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

so they need someone old experienced and well used to the spotlight .

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

They need someone who can reach out to those many millions who did not vote for them in the General Election and sadly that person is not available currently.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

some one with a flat cap fut northern voters and a Rolls Royce for the southern voters .
a brown ale socialist

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Oh you do come out with some old fashioned stereotypes sometimes papa.:)

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

the thing is people fromt gutter don't trust rich toffs to act in their interest rich folk don't live in back to back housing with an alleyway full of old furniture and tut bins ont street .

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Or work 27hrs a day a t' mill an pay t' owners for t' privilege.:D

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

there is no work unless your tut polish and work for nobut a crust wit a smudge of gaffers dripping on it

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Just been listening to a remarkably moderate sounding Len McCluskey and Mary Creagh on John Pienaar's BBC radio programme. Don't you just love it how a taste of defeat appears to moderate some of those union leaders with fairly extreme views. If only it were in any way sincere...

As for Mary Creagh, as expected, she was passed the leadership election ball and fumbled it badly IMHO. In referenece to Miliband's 'ed stone', the vague 'promises' thereon and Labour's failure to connect with enough of the electorate, she was asked what single policy she felt could have transformed the party's fortunes. Her answer was to forget the promise to slash tuition fees and to give all students free bus passes. With visionary policies like that can anyone see her leading the party to election success... :rolleyes:

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

that's it everybody out ;)

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

As for Umunna's expose, well from what I've seen, the worst that can be said is that he appears to rather like living the life of a typical public school Tory toff whilst trying to appear to be another of those Labour 'men of the people' like Mandelson.

Nothing too outrageous then but given the never ending criticism bile the typical Tory toff attracts from Labour politicians, I'd say privately emulating their lavish lifestyles isn't likely to go down very well with the workers whose side you're supposedly on and whose problems you claim you sooooo empathise with.

Why is it that Labour 'socialists' love champagne?

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Exposed! Chuck-it-in Chuka's shady secret: Labour MP belongs to members-only 'den' where he has his own £300 cognac locker and a bar named after him - so is this what rattled leadership contender?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3aOE6Q49k

no its cognac that floats one's boat

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Idiots on twitter retweeting a picture of champagne being delivered in Downing street as illustration of Tory toffs living it up after the election when the picture ACTUALLY came from 2004. :rolleyes:

Twit link

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Are they posting images of chipped mugs of tea being delivered to Labour HQ? :D

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Here are some polls done after the election by YouGov and the Sunday Times.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.ne...15_Website.pdf

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

but we all know how meaningful polls are? :D I am suprised that they wheeled one out so soon after the polls were proved so wrong ..

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Ten pages later and still no answer. WHO will lead the Labour Party? None of those mentioned so far are any good. Andy Burham seemed to think he was at a job interview on Andrew Marr this morning.

Looks like a continuity candidate is all that's on offer at the moment unless UKIP lend them Nigel Farage :)

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Well I have my vote for this particular election. Hope it works out well. Government is way better with a decent opposition to press them.

I give it about a month before I am kicked out of the Party, mind. I suspect I'm way too small 'l' liberal.

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Shame Hilary Benn ruled himself out.

http://labourlist.org/2015/05/making...ushing-defeat/

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Yes it would have been nice if he had his hat into the ring but sadly like some others he decided against it.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Well, that didn't come to pass. I heard that it was because he had three kitchens.

But I now understand that it's not true! :D

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Agreed. That's why the current crop of prospective leaders should be binned.

Are you sure? His list of reasons for Labour's failure has its policies way down the list. Labour seems to think the electorate are some kind of gullible automatons; the reason Labour failed is because that's what they currently are.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Gruniad link

The "correct" leader. :erm:

Go for it Len, make them unelectable for ever. :D

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Well it's not going to be Sir Keir Starmer or Tristram Hunt. Some say the leadership will be a poisoned chalice and that's why they're out but maybe Labour would do well to select someone who doesn't sound and look like a Tory toff... :D

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Don't be surprised if the leader they elect in September might not be the leader in two to three years time.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

I don't see anyone in the Labour Party who would be fit to be Prime Minister at the moment, frankly. Chuka is their only hope, and it seems that he's taken one good hard look at what he's up against within the party and run off!

Can't say I blame him! :D

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

I'm just lmao about all this :D

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

I think he was more worried about who was going to be taking a good hard look at him.

Labour have no-one because the true principles of the Party were lost years ago.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Breaking news that Jeremy Corbyn in to join the race.......

LINKY

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:rolleyes::td:

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Wow what a forward step...

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Joking aside, this is becoming worrying. Labour have no-one and that isn't healthy. I sincerely hope that over the next few years someone with principles still intact comes forward. Luckily, this excludes Russell Bland :D

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

THE Teletubbies have been given a 21st Century makeover :) They should lead the Labour party from now on :)



http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/23...l#post35781306

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

You mean a party consisting of po-faced, obese, handbag-carrying individuals of various colours with non-specific genders and that live in la la land? Aw, I was hoping for a change :).

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

I think Dennis Skinner should stand as well. IIRC he was very supportive of Miliband so he's clearly in touch... :D

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Jeremy Corby just made it.... he stands for what I believe in ....but regrettably, I do not practice...

A comment from the BBC web page:

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

What a rich crop of talent there is in the running to replace Miliband eh. :rofl:

Forget guff like 'I didn't realise how tough it would be...', I reckon Labour don't think they can win next time out so many of those with serious leadership ambitions are stepping back, biding their time and leaving the poisoned chalice for someone else to drink from...

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

From what l hear expect the unpopular leader to be replaced with someone else half way through this parliament.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Jeremy Corbyn? Oh yes, a very distinctive and charismatic person with leader written all over his face:
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2015/06/9.jpg
He looks worn out already...

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

#

Not quite. He is charismatic and very distinctive. Check him out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-gJD6PvUO0
http://www.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/h...mmons-21589368

But if you prefer get the Morning Star on Saturday, to read his articles/opinions. Well, that's the problem

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

He wants rid of the Royal family and Trident, has Commie tendencies, wants more regulation of the private rented sector, closure of tax havens, a bigger state and he thinks little of 3.8m UKIP voters.

He knows how to make friends and influence people.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

And he has no chance in the leadership contest.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

No, but you can guarantee he will get more than his fair share of the headlines over the next few months.

I can't think of a better way for Labour to have entrenched Cameron's authority in the aftermath of what was, by historic standards, a very narrow election win, than to have cast themselves as the Loony Lefty class of 1983, complete with a latter day Michael Foot.

Dan Hodges the plastic scouser over at the Telegraph has also opined that Corbyn's presence on the ballot will force the other candidates to move leftwards in order to try to Hoover up his supporters when he fails to get past the first round of votes. The possibility of the eventual winner being on record as saying a selection of loony lefty things doesn't bode well for Labour's prospects either.

But what do I care, they're a shower of fools and ideologues and I'm happy to see them fail.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

If they move leftward it just makes Labour even more unelectable. :)

They seem to forget that the people who work for a living, the "Working Class", no longer wear flat caps, go down mines and pull their forlocks to t' govnor but are often better qualified than most politicians and work a darn sight harder.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

I just wish someone would take Labour by the scruff of the neck and make them into the credible opposition they should be i.e. minus the outdated obsession with social engineering, an ever bigger state, increasing interference in our lives etc.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Then they wouldn't be labour any more :D
Oh, and re Corbyn:
link The man is an arse :dozey:

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

They could be called something different - just not 'New Labour'... :D

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

How about iLabour 2.0?

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Old dog eared Labour with filler and a new coat of shiny paint to cover up the rot.:D

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

:rofl:

I bet Apple has already TM'd iLabour...

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Ironic, but now, it is recognized that he was right all along

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2015/06/8.jpg

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

How silly.

If you can't see the chasm between standing alongside masked men with guns, and extending the hand of friendship to someone who has long since disavowed armed struggle, then there really is no hope ...

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

So invited "IRA representatives" to the Commons a fortnight after the Brighton bombing in 1984 and, at a Troops Out meeting in 1987"

where these guys "masked men with guns"? at the Commons? ...

And do you believe that Jerry Adams was never member of the IRA? right? Then I believe in tooth-fairies too.

Saying all this, please note my earlier post "I believe in some things but I am not practicing them"

and a non-confrontational answer is

"Corbyn showed that reconciliation between the two sides was the way, he was ahead of its time"

but I chose Camilla's hubby photo instead.:)

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Lets just say that Corbyns timing could have been better :)

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Wrong. In so many ways.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Not sure Corbyn will drag Labour to the left (unless he wins it). This isn't the US primaries. No one really pays attention to internal leadership election debates here and even if they did there is 5 years to come to establish themselves and work it out in opposition, not the months US candidates have. If Cooper or Kendell win it then that will also distance themselves from the more lefty parts of the party.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

So, Red Len's crew have backed Corbyn. Given the Miliband debacle, I'm beginning to think their senior ranks have been infiltrated by Tories... :D

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33402438

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Oh what nincompoops they are.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

The key is that they've selected Andy 'Did I mention I am Northern?' Burnham as their secondary preference. If all their members vote as told then Burnham wins.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

From what I gather from Labour voters in Stevenage, votes will be split between Cooper and Burnham. Nobody else is trusted. So a continuation of the Miliband rubbish then. Could we see another 18 years of Tory rule?

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

If the unions cause Labour to lurch to the left, then yes. :)

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Seriously, who'd vote for any of these plonkers?

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

18 years is a long time in politics as we all know.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

The same people who voted Ed into leadership over David. Would we have a Labour government now if David had been leading the Party? Sadly, this is one that we will never know the answer to.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Steady on old chap. You must have been feeling absolutely livid to indulge in such coarse language. What is the World coming to? :D

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

You have to realise that your influence on us is all pervasive and one cannot escape it.;):D

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Show me ONE post in which I use an expletive. Your use of the word 'nincomp**ps' has outraged my entire family; one of my children is inconsolable you brute :D.

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

Bit of a strange thing to do, appreciate his point on Hillsborough but he needs to appreciate that the Sun has the largest readership in the country.?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33496931

Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 

If only Burnham worried as much about justice for the victims of the outrageous Stafford Hospital scandal as he apparently does about Hillsborough.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...-scandal-guide

I don't suppose it has anything to do with who was in power at the time all those people were dying unnecessarily...