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Hugh 22-01-2015 22:54

Re: who is Muhammad (peace be upon him)
 
And he will find you.......

Maggy 23-01-2015 00:12

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35754581)
Not being funny but he does not need encouragement, just a bunch of people he can spout is indoctrination to. ;)


So leave the room.

papa smurf 23-01-2015 08:29

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Even though large tracts of Europe and many old and famous States have fallen or may fall into the grip of the caliphate and all the odious apparatus of Islamic rule, we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender .

Winston smurf

:):):):):):):)

ianch99 23-01-2015 10:32

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I find it interesting (or possibly revealing) that the OP does not try and debate (rationally) any of the points raised against Islam, Mohammed, etc.

I am not sure how many people are subscribed to CF but there are also no other Muslim voices in the debate, I thought there may be given the numbers ..

Pierre 23-01-2015 22:29

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35754665)
but there are also no other Muslim voices in the debate, I thought there may be given the numbers ..

Unfortunately, that's the problem isn't it? Globally.

truthspeaker 24-01-2015 03:40

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The man who cried for you and loved you over 1400 years ago without even having knowledge of your existence.

People cursed at him, attacked him, attacked his followers. Yet he STILL wanted good for them.

The man who never wrote an autobiography yet has more biographies written about him than any man in history.

so many actors and actresses go to the middle east to make movies.
Liam Neeson must have a good heart and open mind.

Russ 24-01-2015 05:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by truthspeaker (Post 35754839)
The man who cried for you and loved you over 1400 years ago without even having knowledge of your existence.

People cursed at him, attacked him, attacked his followers. Yet he STILL wanted good for them.

The man who never wrote an autobiography yet has more biographies written about him than any man in history.

so many actors and actresses go to the middle east to make movies.
Liam Neeson must have a good heart and open mind.

I'll try to put this is a very basic and easy to understand way, please read it very carefully.

We - just - don't - care.

papa smurf 24-01-2015 08:14

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Liam Neeson refutes rumors he considered converting to Islam
While attending the 'Taken 3' premiere in Dubai, the actor shot down rumors he was thinking of changing religions.
BY ELIZABETH VANMETRE NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 2:52 PM

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertain...icle-1.2076302

Sirius 24-01-2015 09:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35754843)
I'll try to put this is a very basic and easy to understand way, please read it very carefully.

We - just - don't - care.

Russ

i have been saying the same thing for years ;)

papa smurf 24-01-2015 09:24

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35754849)
Russ

i have been saying the same thing for years ;)

its different when the boots on the other foot :angel:

Sirius 24-01-2015 10:07

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35754850)
its different when the boots on the other foot :angel:

:LOL:

Gary L 24-01-2015 12:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35754843)
I'll try to put this is a very basic and easy to understand way, please read it very carefully.

We - just - don't - care.

Déjà vu

Am I allowed to care?

Russ 24-01-2015 13:45

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My reply is the same - appearing to care will only encourage him. Your call.

TheDaddy 24-01-2015 21:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35754847)
Liam Neeson refutes rumors he considered converting to Islam
While attending the 'Taken 3' premiere in Dubai, the actor shot down rumors he was thinking of changing religions.
BY ELIZABETH VANMETRE NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 2:52 PM

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertain...icle-1.2076302

Does that mean Liam neeson doesn't have a good heart and open mind now :confused:

papa smurf 24-01-2015 21:14

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35754970)
Does that mean Liam neeson doesn't have a good heart and open mind now :confused:

yup he's full on infidel :)

TheDaddy 24-01-2015 22:04

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35754972)
yup he's full on infidel :)

Then he's gotta die :erm:

Pierre 24-01-2015 22:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35754970)
Does that mean Liam neeson doesn't have a good heart and open mind now :confused:

Depends on whether he is Bad Cop or Good Cop.

Darn Darney Darn.

truthspeaker 25-01-2015 15:51

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Return the goods entrusted to you to their rightful owners. Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you.

Beware of Satan, devil for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope that he will ever be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things.

O People, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women, but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under God's trust and with His permission. If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers. And it is your right that they do not make friends with any one of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste.

All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action.

Russ 25-01-2015 15:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by truthspeaker (Post 35755113)
return the goods entrusted to you to their rightful owners. Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you.

Beware of satan, devil for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope that he will ever be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things.

O people, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women, but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under god's trust and with his permission. If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers. And it is your right that they do not make friends with any one of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste.

All mankind is from adam and eve, an arab has no superiority over a non-arab nor a non-arab has any superiority over an arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action.

We do not care.

truthspeaker 25-01-2015 16:29

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i wonder why you keeping replying back to me if you don't care.

if you don't care why didn't you ignore me? why you reply to me if you didn't care?

you told me few times before aswell. even the rest of the moderator's told you and everyone else to ignore me. at least take there advice.
have a nice day.

Russ 25-01-2015 16:41

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Originally Posted by truthspeaker (Post 35755123)
i wonder why you keeping replying back to me if you don't care.

if you don't care why didn't you ignore me? why you reply to me if you didn't care?

you told me few times before aswell. even the rest of the moderator's told you and everyone else to ignore me. at least take there advice.
have a nice day.

Yeah I'm one of the moderators too remember.

The reason I keep telling you that nobody cares is because you seem to be unaware that nobody cares.

Pierre 25-01-2015 17:43

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Originally Posted by truthspeaker (Post 35755113)
. And it is your right that they do not make friends with any one of whom you do not approve

This is a good bit.

Yeah right.

truthspeaker 25-01-2015 21:13

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Manchester United football player had this to say:-
"I'm not a Muslim, but the best person from my view is the prophet Muhammed" - Javier Hernandez. (Chicharito)
on twitter

Ramrod 25-01-2015 21:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by truthspeaker (Post 35755171)
Manchester United football player had this to say:-
"I'm not a Muslim, but the best person from my view is the prophet Muhammed" - Javier Hernandez. (Chicharito)
on twitter

So what? What point are you trying to make with that statement? :confused:

Russ 25-01-2015 21:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by truthspeaker (Post 35755171)
Manchester United football player had this to say:-
"I'm not a Muslim, but the best person from my view is the prophet Muhammed" - Javier Hernandez. (Chicharito)
on twitter

We don't care.

truthspeaker 25-01-2015 21:21

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The fact that the whole world is against one Religion shows just how POWERFUL that Religion is!

TheDaddy 25-01-2015 21:24

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Originally Posted by truthspeaker (Post 35755175)
The fact that the whole world is against one Religion shows just how POWERFUL that Religion is!

Chicharito isn't against it

Hugh 25-01-2015 21:28

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Originally Posted by truthspeaker (Post 35755175)
The fact that the whole world is against one Religion shows just how POWERFUL that Religion is!

I think you will find that certain proponents of that religion are against the World, which shows how weak their belief is....

papa smurf 25-01-2015 21:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by truthspeaker (Post 35755175)
The fact that the whole world is against one Religion shows just how POWERFUL that Religion is!

no you poor deluded child it shows its teachings are wrong

Sirius 25-01-2015 22:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by truthspeaker (Post 35755175)
The fact that the whole world is against one Religion shows just how POWERFUL that Religion is!

Think i will go with what Russ said

WE DON'T CARE

Maggy 25-01-2015 22:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by truthspeaker (Post 35755175)
The fact that the whole world is against one Religion shows just how POWERFUL that Religion is!

I'm not against Islam.I'm not against any religion.I'm against those who use religion as a reason to threaten,bully,abuse and kill others of faith and without faith.

To paraphrase Voltaire I may not like your choice of religion but I will defend to the death your right to that religion.. However when you force that religion onto others I will defend their right not to be forced to be a part of your religion to the death if necessary.

That also includes the right NOT to have a belief in any faith or religion by the way.

TheDaddy 25-01-2015 23:03

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35755193)
I'm not against Islam.I'm not against any religion.I'm against those who use religion as a reason to threaten,bully,abuse and kill others of faith and without faith.

To paraphrase Voltaire I may not like your choice of religion but I will defend to the death your right to that religion.. However when you force that religion onto others I will defend their right not to be forced to be a part of your religion to the death if necessary.

That also includes the right NOT to have a belief in any faith or religion by the way.

Ah Voltaire, what did he have to say about Islam and Muhammad in particular

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltaire#Islam

:shocked:

Ignitionnet 26-01-2015 09:53

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ianch99 26-01-2015 11:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35755197)
Ah Voltaire, what did he have to say about Islam and Muhammad in particular

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltaire#Islam

:shocked:

Wow, I wish Voltaire was around today ..

Maggy 26-01-2015 12:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35755271)
Wow, I wish Voltaire was around today ..

Yes Dawkins has a long road to travel..

greeninferno 26-01-2015 13:49

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35755197)
Ah Voltaire, what did he have to say about Islam and Muhammad in particular

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltaire#Islam

:shocked:

Quote:

"tried to show in it into what horrible excesses fanaticism, led by an impostor, can plunge weak minds"
what a line that is

just superb.

Mr Angry 26-01-2015 15:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by greeninferno (Post 35755309)
what a line that is

just superb.


In fairness, I see he was equally charitable about Christianity.

""[Christianity] is assuredly the most ridiculous, the most absurd and the most bloody religion which has ever infected this world. Your Majesty will do the human race an eternal service by extirpating this infamous superstition, I do not say among the rabble, who are not worthy of being enlightened and who are apt for every yoke; I say among honest people, among men who think, among those who wish to think. ... My one regret in dying is that I cannot aid you in this noble enterprise, the finest and most respectable which the human mind can point out..""

Ramrod 26-01-2015 17:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35755271)
Wow, I wish Voltaire was around today ..

If he was then he'd be on a list to get his throat cut....

greeninferno 26-01-2015 21:43

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35755332)
In fairness, I see he was equally charitable about Christianity.

""[Christianity] is assuredly the most ridiculous, the most absurd and the most bloody religion which has ever infected this world. Your Majesty will do the human race an eternal service by extirpating this infamous superstition, I do not say among the rabble, who are not worthy of being enlightened and who are apt for every yoke; I say among honest people, among men who think, among those who wish to think. ... My one regret in dying is that I cannot aid you in this noble enterprise, the finest and most respectable which the human mind can point out..""

The man was a genius

way ahead of his time.

tweetiepooh 27-01-2015 13:12

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Christianity is ridiculous and absurd. That God Himself should come to Earth and die to bring His fallen creation back to Himself is absurd. That man can't do anything to earn it is ridiculous. Especially to the "wisdom" of the human mind.

It is sad that the name of Christ has been used as an excuse for violence and oppression.

Ignitionnet 27-01-2015 13:38

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Interesting points of view but I'll stick to reading Voltaire, tweetie :)

truthspeaker 27-01-2015 19:26

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Don't be in a hurry to condemn a person because he/she doesn't do what you do or think as you think or as fast. There was a time when you didn't know what you know today.

gba93 27-01-2015 19:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by truthspeaker (Post 35755602)
Don't be in a hurry to condemn a person because he/she doesn't do what you do or think as you think or as fast. There was a time when you didn't know what you know today.

Perhaps you should consider taking your own advice :idea: Sorry, Malcolm X's advice!

Russ 27-01-2015 19:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by truthspeaker (Post 35755602)
Don't be in a hurry to condemn a person because he/she doesn't do what you do or think as you think or as fast. There was a time when you didn't know what you know today.

We don't care.

Pierre 27-01-2015 21:38

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Isn't about time this thread withered and died?

Ignitionnet 27-01-2015 22:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35755633)
Interesting points of view but I'll sick with the Voltaire to Carl :)

As would I! I'm not fit to shine that man's shoes.

---------- Post added at 21:08 ---------- Previous post was at 20:55 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35755634)
Eagerly awaiting OP's response to the above :)

Well my response to this whole thing is 15 quid a month to Vive Charlie.

dave6x 27-01-2015 22:23

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Maybe the Op would be best going and living in a Muslim country governed under Sharia Law, unfortunately he would not have the freedom to discuss or express opinions that did not strictly accord with that law!!!

Whilst I may not agree with the OP or with some of the responses he has received I fully embrace the freedom that we have to be able to discuss and debate contentious issues openly.

The UK may have many faults that we love to revel in, but it's a damn sight better than many of the alternatives!

TheDaddy 28-01-2015 00:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35755652)
Well my response to this whole thing is 15 quid a month to Vive Charlie.

I'm signing up for that to, it's along the lines of what I was thinking of doing when Russ was demanding I start tweeting celebrities my address a few Weeks back

MovedGoalPosts 28-01-2015 01:22

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Oh dear, as is almost inevitable any thread on this forum that involves religion as it's subject degenerates into a distinct lack of goodwill towards others, precisely what religion should not be about. We've just completed Holocaust Memorial Day, which should serve as a good reminder to all of what happens when religion gets taken to extremes.

Thread closed to avoid further conflict.


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