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She's sounding like a Eurocrat already.

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They would have to be monumentally stupid to allow the SNP to establish this as a constitutional precedent. The UK is not a federation. It never has been, and as far as I can see the only proposal on the table that would turn it into one has come from the SNP - and that's because they want it as a gradualist route to independence, not because they think the UK would work better that way.

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It's a cracking get out clause just in case the British public give the 'wrong' result.

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This may help with the waking up.

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Spectacular mismanagement and sleight of hand by Cameron & Co.

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Alongside the previous administration bein naive enough to think the EU would deliver on CAP reform in return for the UK giving up more rebate and vetoes.

Cameron is a fan of the EU; his antics are purely political. He loves the cheap and virtually unlimited supply of labour as much as his friends and backers do.

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The EU has proved time and time again that meaningful reform of the sort we'd like to see is beyond it and that's probably because unlike many nations who've signed up since the UK joined, we were sold the concept of a trading club whereas they knew what they were getting into and saw membership as a panacea for many financial and other woes. It should be no great surprise to anyone that net beneficiaries of EU policy will tend to continue voting for more of the same...

Cameron certain does want us to remain in the EU but the irony is that his party is the only means by which we're going to have any say in the matter.

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Some more good news, this from an article I posted in a Eurozone thread but more related to this thread than that one.

Article.

Bend over and lube up, people. Any additional austerity from this year is spoken for.

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In any other set of circumstances than matters EU, those facts ought to give us considerable leverage to get what we want- "he who pays the piper" and all that... However, I reckon that remaining in this sinking ship with it's crew deeply divided and the whiff of mutiny in the air, it'll bring us down with far more certainty than if we get out and stop throwing good money after bad. As it stands we'll still be buying more from the EU than selling to it and paying everyone far more for the 'privilege'. What form of madness is this??!! :spin:

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29928195

We all knew they would wimp out.....

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And people want us to trust that he will give us a referendum

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I think he always had that caveat not by the beginning of December It's just the media didn't pick up on it. A classic bit of political double speak. It's why you must always analyse the weasel words.

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He will go down in the annals of history as an even bigger liar than Bliar if he doesn't and I really don't think he'd want to deprive Teflon Tone of that dubious honour. ;)

Like it or not, the only realistic way to have any chance of getting an EU referendum any time soon is for people to vote UKIP where they have a realistic chance of winning and displacing a Same Old Labour or Fib Dem MP in the process and vote Tory everywhere else.

There's no way in the world that UKIP can win enough seats to achieve anything unless the Labour vote is destroyed and they negotiate some sort of pre/post election deal with the Tories. I think the latter scenario is very likely indeed.

One thing is for certain is that a red or yellow vote means a sell out to the EU.

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He definitely did but to try to be fair there's more to it than that. We had years of Labour brazenly promising this, that, and the other with no hint of any caveats and look what happened. Whatever he said he'd have been immediately damned. Time will tell to what extent he's damned for good and plumbs Bliar's depths...

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Redtop paywall linky

Nice to know how careful they are with our money. :rolleyes:

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The lunatics and Euro-snouts have been running the EU from its inception. I wonder how much of the amount lost to 'error' winds up in the pockets of various Euro-cronies.

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The EU needs to set its budgets and "charges" to EU countries on a similar basis to Council Tax. Councils set a budget for spending and then set the council tax rates in order to raise that money. The EU raises money that depends a lot on how well countries are doing economically and then decides how to spend it. If the UK wasn't doing so relatively well, economically, what would the EU do? This £1.7billion isn't needed by the EU. It is just a bonus for them to fritter away.

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This has made me so determined not to vote for the lying git. UKIP will do well here and i hope kick the Liebour idiot out.

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You do realise that IF he does deliver what you fear he won't you'll have to eat some humble pie. ;)

That aside, if we're going to get shot of the EU straightjacket we need to vote strategically to ensure we don't get a monstrous reincarnation of the Lib-Lab pact by the back door. Hate Cameron or not, that would be a disaster far worse than any Tory victory.

http://leftfootforward.org/2014/10/t...ady-been-sown/

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Come on the man is nearly as bad as Blier. He will not give us a referendum because he will find something that will allow him to get out of it just like he did last time. Even IF and its a sodding big IF we get the referendum he will make sure he gets the answer that keeps us in.

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If we get a referendum WE need to make sure we get the right result. If we don't get one, a cynical deception on that scale would see the Tories in opposition for years. Any attempt would be suicidal and would, I think, see Cameron forced to resign and a referendum to go ahead.

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"We will not pay" = "We will pay £667 million next year and gift UKIP an open goal for the election campaign."

http://bbc.in/10E1dRT

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The very fact that the EU accounts have not been signed off for so many years shows that the system is corrupt. Any more money that we contribute would probably go the same way. Cameron says that we won't pay the £1.7 billion by the due date, and now Osborne is talking about a phased payment!
How can anyone believe anything they say at all.
All this has done is to increase the UKIP support a little more. The sooner we are out of the EU the better.

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The devil is in the detail, but at present this does look like a useful deal.

These corrections to member states' contributions aren't a novel idea. They have been around for years and we have benefited from them in the past. The problem has always been the scale of the demand and the payment deadline.

The Treasury said it would look for a legal means of reducing the amount and it seems to have found one, by successfully arguing that the UK's rebate should be applied to the calculation (actually I would have thought it obvious that it should have been - I'm not sure what's gone on here, whether someone's been trying to pull a fast one in Brussels, or whether HMG has been asleep at the wheel).

Coupled with that, they seem to have convinced other treasury ministers and heads of government that you can't go demanding the equivalent construction cost of three sizeable NHS hospitals on about eight weeks' notice. The introduction of interest-free instalments and a much delayed settlement date seems to be a new idea, although again, really it should have been obvious that such a mechanism might be needed if ever an unusually large payment demand came in.

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As I said before it's possible that the bill has made to look bigger to allow the Tories to claim a success weeks before the Rochester by-election.

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If that's true then it shows the EU for the corrupt pile of dog poo it is, the sooner were out of it the better.

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Given that we're one of the biggest net contributors and a healthy market for all manner of Euro-stuff, I think the EU would prefer to keep us in and continue to take advantage of it. For that reason and in typical negotiation style, I can see why it'd suit the Europhiles to issue all sorts of tough talk only to then show their readiness to be reasonable and 'compromise' after the event.

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bill paid

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Yep and that's why i don't trust a word Cameron says when it comes to the EU.

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I heard Dave doing his stern, angry TWIT voice on the radio earlier.

he sounds like one of those blokes who say to the Missus "I told him! I told him you don't mess with me or you get a punch in the nose! and he said he's very sorry and ran away!"

when what really happened is he paid the man the money.

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but if he didn't pay then we wouldn't be eligible to have all of Eastern Europe's dross come here and steal our jobs and houses and over populate our schools and bring the NHS to its knees ,you need to remember that without this dross we are nothing :(

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The EU is built on altruistic lines but managed by self servers..

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I don't care if it's crafty accounting or not ,at the end of the day we are not paying 1.7 billion ,we can pay half that sum over 2 instalments next year so really we have nothing to moan about .

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Smoke & mirrors by Osborne and Co.

More financial mismanagement on a colossal scale.

"Under the initial plan, the UK was due to get a 1bn euros rebate in 2015-6 but it will be allowed to bring that forward to the second half of 2015 to reduce the surcharge.

But its 2016 rebate will be 1bn euros smaller as a result."

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So we still get shafted. Another gift to UKIP.

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This is the type of "deal" Osborne appears to have negotiated.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2014/11/45.jpg

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the mathamagicle equations are beyond the understanding of the common man. but rest assured its a good deal for the uk cos dave said it is ;)

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Indeed a few more of these and i will be pretty much convinced the EU are doing it on purpose to force a referendum and answer the question once and for all.

With Labour almost unelectable because of there leader, The lib dems in the same boat, we are looking at a Tory Ukip pact after the next election.

I feel the only way out of the abyse for Labour is for them to kick out Miliband or agree to a referendum should they get in power.

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Only thing is they don't steal anyone's jobs.

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I'm in fits of laughter watching Cameron and co trying to pretend were not paying this in full and have got a great deal and changed the eu. All that bluster and bravado a couple of weeks ago as usual with Dave didn't mean a damn thing and Osbourne engaged in yet another smoke and mirrors routine. Some in this country are not surprised as they have seen this routine many times in a few areas of government and should they get elected next year we will have many more. Also for those saying vote Tory to get a referendum do you honestly believe were going to get a straightforward vote from Dave a man who is in favour of Europe and despite all his talk in the last few years has basically ended up doing what he was told by the EU.

Cameron and Osborne telling porkies
 

http://news.sky.com/story/1369482/os...-1-7bn-eu-bill

Maybe, members will tell me that l am wrong. But didn't Cameron and Osborne say that they would NOT pay this money.

We as the tax payers, will be paying this though our taxation. So l think we are being told porkies.:(

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tories tell pokies never :LOL: what you expect Arthur

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ok
they flood the local job markets and take all the low skill jobs leaving a whole generation with no work .

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That 'whole generation' could take the same jobs if they wanted to.

If you want to blame someone blame the employers. It's they who decide who the jobs go to.

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i blame successive governments for allowing this to happen ..

the job market is controlled by Eastern European agency's and they only employ their own ,so we still have a generation with no work .
this town is full of food processing factories that have been the backbone of local employment for all of my lifetime now its all polish /Latvian .
vote UKIP and end this failed experiment .

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There getting my vote.

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Yes, never mind what they might do to the economy, the NHS, schools etc just as long as they deal with immigration and the EU which are the only problems we have.

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we don't have a local economy its all being channeled to eastern Europe .

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You realise, don't you, that UKIP can't just make the UK leave the EU (how ever much quite a few of us want to) - Nigel Farage is very short on the details on how he would bring about the UK leaving the EU, except that he would hold a referendum. I wonder what would happen if he (or the Tories, if they win next year) held a referendum, and the majority vote for staying in?

We are bound by legal treaties - we have to disengage in a legal way, otherwise why would any country we want to deal with in the future trust us, as treaty-breakers; we need to negotiate an exit, and create new bilateral treaties with countries as trading partners.

This article, from the Grauniad, is fairly even-handed about the challenges that may occur should we leave.

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put the cheque book back in the drawer and wave two fingers at the parasites works for me , i don't share your we can't just attitude i prefer a [we can do attitude ]negotiate my ass they would probably try to stitch us up with yet another bill its time we tell them how its going to be rule Britannia and all that .

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Yes as much as I want us out of the EU (because I believe they have no intention of changing one jot), we have to be realistic about all this and how to achieve the desired result in the right way. We all know what Farage has promised but not how's he's going to deliver. We also need to understand that leaving is going to be a very messy affair, my argument being that staying on board a driverless train approaching the buffers at top speed is going to be more messy. As I've said my feeling is that the ONLY way to get us out is for UKIP to do some sort of deal with the Tories and this will clearly require those Euro-sceptics within the Tory party to force the issue. Anything else will simply perpetuate the status quo.

Whatever the result, my gut feeling is that we're looking at some very tough times ahead, within or without the EU. Another bubble has been created and inflated whilst folks were far too busy thanking the heavens that we'd got out of the last one (which of course we haven't). It's not a question of when it's going to pop, just how big the bang and the fallout.

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So if we unilaterally break this treaty, why should anyone trust us in the future?

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trust us to do what ? role over and give our country and rights away ,if others wish to trade with us they will regardless of the European experiment .
vote ukip

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Yes vote UKIP because they have fantastic policies on the NHS, schools, council budgets, foreign affairs, the economy, family life etc etc

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glad your on our side brother hope you've paid your £30 membership these political campaigns cost money .
vote ukip

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£30 wasted in my opinion.:)

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Like the ~£11 billion net contribution to the EU this year and rising. Could be much better spent on the NHS IMHO.

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I'd rather drink bleach than waste a vote on UKIP.

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that's between Russ and his wallet :D

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old school or lemon ?:)

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sounds like a brilliant way to bankrupt our country to me.If we simply renege on all the deals/agreements/promises we make then no country will ever do business with us.There is a set procedure for withdrawal covered under article 50 ,fairly certain the 2 fingered option isn't included

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Here's something better for you.:beer:

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i like your style that is of course the UKIP way of doing things :D

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So the UKIP way is to act without thinking of the consequences, and to breach legal agreements, and assume every other country will go 'No worries, UKIP will sort everything out....'.

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it was a joke hence the big grin :D it referred to the partaking of an alcoholic beverage .
your old Tory mind tricks won't work on me move along now there's nothing to see here ..

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Or as we call it, reasoned debate using facts....;)

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I'm sure there's any number of treaties that we've signed over the decades/centuries that we've reneged on or been overtaken by events yet we still trade with the rest of the world. How could EU treaties, especially the disadvantageous ones be any different?

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Never a wise tactic with staunch UKIPers....

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However, we are in the modern world, and no longer have gunships/massed armies to reinforce our treaty breaches.....

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im all for you trying something new its good to embrace change ,just give us the nod when you've started ;)

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And the Conservative way is to say one thing in public whilst banging on the lectern, then do the bloody opposite in a supposed deal its no wonder they are losing people's faith in them.

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OK - two questions

a) if UKIP win the next election, what will their process be to leave the European Union
b) if whoever wins the next election holds a referendum, and the majority vote to stay in, what will UKIP do?

Over to you.... ;)

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Ask for another referendum with easier questions? It's been tried before you know... ;)

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is this you starting with the facts ? [ the new thing your trying out we discussed it earlier ]
if it is then i must point out that asking questions is not presenting "facts"its more like fishing for answers.
a- ukip will not win the next general election that's for the future
b-still exist campaigning to exit the eu [ its still an un-polishable turd but you already know that you just don't want to admit it ].
c- that's another question ;)

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So they'll be campaigning for something that (in Hugh's hypothesis) the majority of people don't want? Way to win votes there....

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yea just like every other political party that the majority don't vote for ,they don't just crawl away you know they come back fighting and try to win next time .

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so the only way leave the EU any time soon is to vote conservative

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There's a big difference between that and having a single policy that you're known for which is something the majority don't want.

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I really like how UKIP have disrupted the political orthodoxy.

Doesn't change that I find the vast majority of their policies alarming.

EDIT: The more I've done my homework the clearer it's become that, for me, the option that most matches the new, improved Carl who escaped London, is the Greens.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/face...6.50&soc=-5.38

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that won't happen your glorious leader is a liar and has no intention of offering you and the other gullible followers a choice .

ukip is your only hope for the future don't waste that vote on the toffs club .

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It is Green Party policy to offer a referendum also just FYI.

Very clear that while Dave might offer the vote he along with Lib/Lab will be campaigning for a 'Stay in' vote, and we would most certainly be assaulted with propaganda from the EU along with news outlets.

A free and fair referendum is an extremely difficult thing to have on this subject. Unfortunately it's pretty much impossible it'll be fair without having a number of restrictions.

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the thing with the greens is i don't fancy petrol at £80 a litre and forced cycling in Lycra with a solar panel on my head- and freezing to death in my own home to keep emissions low ;)

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With your winning words and obvious respect for us, you are charming us all into voting UKIP...:D

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and did i mention there will be a new beer created [old decision maker ] which will retail at 2 shillings an IMPERIAL pint [ for members only]

u p the kip ers ;)

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I don't fancy drowning as the sea levels rise thanks to the climate change that Farage and company, in contrast to pretty much every scientist not being bribed to say otherwise, don't believe is being contributed to by us.

To each their own. I shall enjoy the UKIP manifesto. As I mentioned I entirely think we need to part company from the EU in its current form, however most of the rest of UKIP's policies from their last manifesto are absurd.

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:tu: for the Greens. They seem to be more interested than the rest in the long term interests of [all] the people, country and planet.

Leaving the EU is a risk that seems similar to that the Scots had to face: their decision was driven by the vocal, vociferous minority and pandered to emotion, leaving the hard facts on what would happen to the economy, currency, trade, etc. (after independence ) thin on the ground.

If the EU is broken, let's fix it. Leaving a nation group that has real economic power in the world at a point when the world economy is truly global is a big risk.

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My problem with the Greens is the ruthless authoritarian streak that runs slightly below their surface. They believe in regulation and bans rather than persuasion and education.

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We need regulation where the free market is failing the country: rail, energy, banking, etc.

Not sure who you are wanting to persuade or educate here? The people who are exploiting us are probably quite well educated and I doubt 'Stop, or I'll say stop again" works for them ..

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There is no way to fix the EU because the countries with the most EU power just happen to be the ones that have benefitted most from the way it operates and will not allow any substantial change that threatens their interests. Also it isn't only the UK that is getting fed up with the EU a number of member states are increasingly unhappy and this is not taking into account the fact they still haven't had their accounts signed off in over a decade. If the EU went back to what it was originally a cooperative trading block neither I or anyone else would have a problem. At this point leaving may be the only chance to meaningfully change the EU and make it representative of all members instead of it being a franco\german benefit club.

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Take for example what they did at Brighton council (which they run)

As part of their "meat free mondays" plan, rather than (for example) suggesting that their staff maybe indulge in a veggie option, they simply banned the canteens from serving meat on mondays.

This went down rather badly with pretty much all of the staff, and didn't last very long.

Their whole approach is "We know what's best for you, whether you agree with that that or not".

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I did LOL a bit at the political compass in Carl's post above, which seems to suggest that Greenism is on the libertarian left. There is absolutely no way it can be, when its key tenets would inevitably require banning a lot of things in order to achieve widespread adoption of Greenie practices. They may have nice warm libertarian feelings towards their fellow person, but as soon as they're confronted with an opportunity to put their ideas into practice, they get as authoritarian as every proper left wing government in history.

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Thay've also made it hell for the motorist to get into town especially from the Lewes direction on the ( was ) dual carriageway by dedicating 60% of the road width to both a cycle lane and an ( empty) bus lane. Traffic is stationry out to Falmer at times. An absolute pain when I need to visit a client over there. I HAVE to rat run through the housing estates.

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Well obviously you should be cycling to your clients...

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I guess it depends on your political perspective as to what "authoritarian" means. For example, I think that, in relation to the neocon free marketeers, it means being told you can no longer ruthlessly exploit people for your own profit.

I am also not sure the Green's Brighton canteen policy can be extrapolated to macro social and economic policy.

The bottom line is this: are you happy for your children to grow up in a society where the poor are exploited by the privileged minority, where the innate cultural prejudices are pandered to and exploited by bigots wearing empire-tinted spectacles, where large multinationals dictate employment and taxation policy, where the elite financial sector hold the country to ransom because of their self-appointed "value" to the country and where the electorate get the government & policies they did not vote for.

The current political process just sucks: some think YUKIP will fix it. I'd like to think there is another way, one that involves Europe working together: standing to to the US and the global multinationals. Yes, a lot of the current systems need fixing: sensible and sustainable immigration policies, consistent europe-wide healthcare and welfare benefits, europe-wide financial regulation, etc.

The UK is schizophrenic with respect to Europe: we are in Europe but we think we're not. I am not surprised that the rest of the EU think we're just weird.

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Authoritarian means having the state take control in areas where quite simply it has no business poking its nose in. Another example is the Green party's manifesto pledge to scrap the national lottery for not being redistributive enough...

http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/9884817.print/

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You guess wrongly. "Libertarian" and "Authoritarian" are two well-understood terms from the realm of political science, used to describe one's predilection for using the power of the State to force patterns of behaviour on its citizens, or not.

Yes, that's a very good example of how you don't understand what you're talking about.

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The National Lottery does indeed need revisiting: private company making 76 million profit running the scheme, only 28% of income to good causes, etc. Richard Branson originally wanted to run the National Lottery as non-profit making, but the contract was given to Camelot instead ..

Here is an interested article on the morality of the National Lottery: https://philosophynow.org/issues/14/Lottery_or_Lootery

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So a company makes a profit running a service? Was the (government owned) tote ever run as a not for profit?

If you don't agree with the lottery's makeup, then don't play it (I don't).

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Nice mixture of statistics there - shouldn't you really use the same kind of stats to give a more balanced picture? ;)

https://www.national-lottery.co.uk/l...the-money-goes

So the £76 million profit is less than 1% of income, and the 28% of income to good causes is £1,175 million - the rest of the income is split between £3,524 million to Lottery players, £807 million in Lottery Duty, and £309 million to retailers in commission.

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Your point is? Zero is a lot less than 76 million.

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I don't play it for a number of reasons but that's not the point. The point was the Lottery could have been run as a non-profit operation ..

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Wow, do you always insult people when they have an opinion contrary to your own?