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I started watching Dr who late but I've seen the master return from being a withered husk, a slug, a fob watch and Ming the merciless' ring so nothing would surprise me :) |
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Finally got a round to watching this.
I thought it was very good. Michelle Gomez was excellent as Missy. A very strong, possibly the strongest, first season as a Doctor. Can't wait for the next season, just hope the writers are as good as Capaldi. |
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What an anti-climax :erm:
Good episode but it was trying too hard to be clever for its own good. And we were told it would be sad? The only bit I thought was sad was when that lady realised she was in a wheelchair. |
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I thought that it was one of the better Christmas specials.
But shouldn't Clara be pregnant by now, given the Danny-lookalike time-travelling descendent they met earlier in the series? |
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So, basically Alien meets Inception- all it needed to be totally derivative was for Santa to say "come with me if you want to live " whe he did the drive-by pick up.....
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Dr Who has often been derivative..Like when there were mummies involved many,many years ago..The Pyramids of Mars if I'm remembering correctly..with Tom Baker who is still my favourite Doctor.
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So Clara didnt leave then, was that all just a rumour, or did I miss something.
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Just seen Dr Who, it defintely was Alien meets Inception.
I'm glad Clara appears to be staying. |
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Though I think the story would have been better had they not felt obliged to Christmas-theme it. |
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Dr Who meets GOT.
https://www.polygon.com/2015/3/30/83...ame-of-thrones |
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Return date confirmed as 19th September and also the first teaser has been released.
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Amazed no thread for the new series.
My opinion.....Moffat has disappeared up his own backside. |
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Didn't watch many episodes last season and can't see myself doing so this season.
I am not sure why, I think it's just fatigue and a lack of originality. Unless it's changed the show seems rather formulaic at this point and trending more to being light family entertainment rather than trying to do something new. |
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It's always been family entertainment.
I personally loved it. Capaldi was brilliant as always. It's a great story and actually ties in to Genesis of the Daleks one of the best stories ever and doesn't just mention classic who for the hell of it. Gave me a proper classic Who feeling. Loving that there are lots of multi part stories this time too. |
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I thought it was ok, no better or worse than before although they seemed to have turned down the volume on Clara's annoyingness. I'm starting to warm to Capaldi a bit as well too. Interesting to see how the next few episodes pan out.
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It was ok.
I hate when they keep randomly changing things for no reason. Dalek guns have never disintigrated people, just killed them, so why change that. |
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They haven't changed it. They aren't dead just teleported. Thought that was obvious.
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Was a typical Doctor Who opening/closing episode. An incredibly interesting kernel of a theme that is woefully under explored in favour of completely inconsequential spectacle drama and wacky antics labouring under the delusion that the doctor is down with the kids.
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Whatever,
I enjoyed it for what it was. Good Saturday night entertainment. |
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That was pretty good, I'm impressed with this series so far. The sonic sunglasses were a neat touch :)
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Yeah that second part was much better.
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I watched Ep01 to see if it had improved.
I noted it still had it's head far up where the Sun don't shine :( I won't be wasting any more of my life on this arty-farty trash. |
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Arty Farty?
IMO this has been the best story for a while, you really should watch the second half as its got a lot to do with Genesis of the Daleks. |
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Two parters everywhere. I like it, especially when it's something generally new. Underwater ghosts. Enjoyable episode, Clara is gradually setting it up for her demise, there were loads of clues in that episode that leave more questions, that was well done if you spotted them.
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Classic Toughtonesque base-under-siege stuff. I enjoyed it, although I thought it was a tad dialogue-heavy at times.
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What a cliff hanger!
Its very much like Ark but in reverse. That classic story went forward in time rather than backwards. Think the 2 parters and cliff hangers are going to make this series one of the best so far. |
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I did enjoy that.
Shouts out to alien 3, Event horizon and Sphere. |
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My God how good was that? This series so far has beaten the entire last one.
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Was awesome. Even if I didn't understand any of that explanation bit at the end. Something to do with the paradox he mentioned at the beginning I presume.
Edit: I get it now. Same paradox that the Terminator franchise applies in regards to John Connor existing was used in that episode. |
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I've enjoyed this season so far. Looks like Maisie Williams from GoT is in the next story.
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They're absolutely flying this season. Must have just had a slow start like Smith's Doctor. Make no mistake though, this second season is massively better. The two part episode format is brilliant, so much more time spent on one 'full' episode really.
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Last saturdays was the best so far of this season.
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River Song back for xmas special
Doctor Who Official @bbcdoctorwho · 59m59 minutes ago The Xmas Special: Peter Capaldi & Alex Kingston are joined by Greg Davies as King Hydroflax & Matt Lucas as Nardole! https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/11/10.png |
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I'm hearing that Clara may not be dead after all, is she, isn't she? (I know she's leaving end of season at the latest regardless)
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She is definitely leaving, however she is known to have filmed sequences that have not yet been screened this season. And that's not even a spoiler - she's been shown as such on the Radio Times cover photo.
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They could well be flashback scenes or something like that for the season finale.
As next episode is 100% just the doctor. As the finale has Spoiler:
Glad river is finally back though! Just wish Captain Jack was coming back soon. |
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She appears in the season finale according to episode guides, its not clear in what capacity (i.e flashbacks ?).
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WOW!!!!!
That was prettty epic. |
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I was quite impressed :)
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As a side note I went along to the Doctor Who Experience today which includes a tour of the actual Tardis set at BBC Cardiff so I was actually in the Tardis :D
Loads of props etc that were actually used in the show too, Daleks used in the first few episodes of the last season as well. They even took one apart so we could see what it looks like inside. Pics below :) |
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Anyone else feel a little disappointed at the Christmas ep?
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I never get excited for the Christmas episodes as they are usually just a bit of lighthearted entertainment with no real impact on the series or regular episodes.
However as a piece of Christmas Telly it was rather entertaining and pretty fun in places. We finally got to see River and the Doctors last ever meeting, although a bit different to how River told it the first time we met her in the Library. |
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I gave up on Doctor Who ages ago but as Xmas TV is so dire I gave it a go.
Wish I hadn't bothered. It was a complete waste of Alex Kingston. |
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I have to say Alex and Capaldi were great together. Shame she was wasted on Matt Smith!
You've missed out. This season was by far the best in a long time. |
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It was the last meeting with the Doctor in terms of his timeline not hers.
She in that episode mentioned their last evening looking out at the singing towers. Google River Song timeline, its very very complicated. |
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It wasnt fantastic, but it was entertaining, and pretty much the only thing I've watched on TV over xmas as the rest of the schedules are dire.
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Christmas Who isn't meant to be epic, it's meant to be a bit lighter, a bit sillier ... Actually pretty much what the entire output looked like in 1978 ...
Having said that, I thought the way they topped off River Song's storyline was lovely, and I had a lump in my throat when the Doctor said the night lasted 24 years. |
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Anyone got anything solid on there being no Doctor Who season this year? Is that a definite?
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Yes, its not back as a series until Spring 2017. However, there will be a Christmas Special in 2016.
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Then from 2018 there will be a new showrunner.
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It's not quite as bad as it sounds. They are moving it out of Strictly season, because Strictly forces it to run too late on a Saturday evening. In moving it to the spring schedule, they had no option but to go for 2017. Spring 2016 is after all only about 6 weeks away.
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That's reassuring, I thought for a moment we'd see it go full sherlock mode. Although I guess with Sherlock you have to give them sympathy knowing both main actors are pretty much A-list actors at this point and are bound to have full schedules unless booked years in advance. Both are currently working with Marvel.
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The irregular and well spaced out scheduling of Sherlock is the entire reason they have managed to keep hold of such a stellar cast and production team.
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Only a few minutes now and we get to find out who replaces Jenna Coleman :D
Yep I'm sad!!! :rofl: ---------- Post added at 18:16 ---------- Previous post was at 18:05 ---------- Pearl Mackie (turns out that it was on the radio times website 7 hrs ago.) |
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just showed you on BBC 1 during half time of match
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03rzc48 video of trailer it Pearl Mackie new companion |
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Hrmm she's going to get annoying really quickly, is she comic relief?
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I remember the tour guides telling us we could take as many picture of inside the Tardis as we liked but requested we didn't do so of the outside which was basically a load of wooden planks and panels in the shape of a dome as they felt it could damage the 'magic' in fans' minds of the Tardis which I can understand if you saw how naff it looks.
However we went on over to the guy who designs the current Daleks, he took the 'lid' off from one of them and showed us how they are controlled which I didn't expect as by doing so would have the same effect. Obviously wooden inside, there's a seat - in reality just a wooden plank - and no floor to it so the operator moves the unit around Fred Flintstone-style. Their left hand controls the gun and takes over if the remote controlled head fails, the plunger is connected to a handle that goes under their right armpit and the right hand controls the eye stalk from a modified handle. That clip looks promising but although I'm not really sure what else I was expecting from inside a Dalek they don't really have the same impact anymore :erm: |
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I think I'm going to like her. Seems fun. Reminds me of Ace a bit.
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Personally, I think the trailer just released makes the character look clichéd, cheesy and potentially irritating. In that sense, she is just like Ace.
However, I've been wrong before (I though Catherine Tate was going to be annoying, but she turned into one of the best assistants, IMO), so hopefully I'll be proved wrong again/ |
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Not particularly impressed by her in that clip, but I think it would be very foolish to base my like/dislike on one clip - so I guess we'll see in 2017. (unless she's in the 2016 xmas special of course). |
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Any idea how they plan to execute Matt Lucas's role as the comic relief over an entire season? Its all jolly for a single special episode but could they really get away with that over the whole series? I have a mixed view on it, I don't know whether I like him or its going to annoy me.
I've never disliked anything about the 2005 revival series thus far. There's plenty I've liked far more than others though. E.G being I don't dislike Martha Jones but she'd be down near the bottom. So here's hoping it continues with the new companion and whatever Lucas does over the series. Truth be told however, I've never felt so disinterested and skeptical about a new companion as I have Pearl. As for worries about her being comic relief... As above, Matt Lucas is now in that mix. |
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I did enjoy the christmas episode.
New series looks interesting. apparently they have gone back to basics. Still not sold on the new companion though. Matt Lucas would be a better choice! |
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Don't usually like the Xmas specials, but this was good and the only thing worth watching on Christmas Day. Tennant's first was the only other good one, last year's was appalling sentimental slush.
Hope Capldi continues for a few more years, however with a new producer coming and 3 seasons now being standard, this might be his last. New companions are a bit of a worry. I like Lucas, but he should have ignored the critics and stuck to Pompidou (am I the only one who loved it?). |
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Did you mean Madam Pompadour?
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This was the first Christmas Special I've actually really liked for quite a while (since Titanic).
Not sure about Matt Lucas, I think he may wear thin after a while. Equally not sure about Pearl, but then I was very sceptical about Catherine Tate when we learned she would be a companion, and that worked out ok. |
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What is it with a few seasons and done? Is it a stepping stone? Like you can see American TV shows run for 10 years with the same lead actor.
I liked Capaldi but I can't see me missing him that much. Still Smith and Tennant here. Alright then? Matt Smith to return? Benedict Cumberbatch, Eddie Redmayne. More seriously of course, Jason Isaacs or Hugh Laurie? Anyone got some? |
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Timmy Mallet, obvious choice.
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Doubtful. They tend not to go for anyone particularly well known. Generally the actor playing the Doctor may have been a regular in a TV series, but he will not have been that well known. That said, there are exceptions. Peter Davison was already playing a major character in a successful TV series (All Creatures Great And Small), Christopher Ecclestone had already been in Shallow Grave and quite a few successful TV series and films and obviously John Hurt (who has been in a *lot* of successful films). I think they went for Christopher because they were relaunching the show. They needed someone relatively well known to increase the show's chances of being a hit. John Hurt was introduced because I think they felt they needed a really big star to launch the 50th Anniversary special. I doubt it will happen, but I'd like to see Paul McGann have a crack at it again. I think that given a well written series with decent special effects, I think he would have made a great Doctor. I actually think he made a good Doctor in the TV movie, but while it also had excellent special effects (for the time) and a cool looking Tardis interior, I think that neither the writer nor director had any clue about what makes Doctor Who special and seemed to assume it was just a generic action/sci fi show. They assumed that good SFX, a few one liners and a story about time would be enough. That's one think I like about Doctor Who. The stories. In the old series, they had a saying that you could spend a tenner on the special effects and still get change, but they had some great stories (The Caves of Androzani, Genesis of the Daleks being two). Yes, the sets looked awful, as did the SFX, but the story kept the viewer on the edge of his or her seat.. With the movie, the sets looked great, as did the SFX (for the time, although they look incredibly dated now), but the story was a bit.. meh. Who would I like to see as The Doctor? Probably someone like Richard E Grant. I know he isn't the handsome heroic type, but the Doctor has not always looked like that handsome heroic type. Look at John Pertwee and Patrick Troughton. No disrespect to either, as I believe they both made good doctors, but I wouldn't say either looked handsome or heroic. I think Richard could carry it off, as he seems just eccentric enough. I do wonder if the actors consider it a stepping stone (and it certainly seems to have been one for Tom Baker, David Tennant and Matt Smith), but the average stay seems to be 3-4 years. |
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They also announced when Dr Who will return - Saturday April 15th (Easter Saturday).
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I can remember all the doctors since Troughton, none have stayed more than a few seasons. I expect it's a fear of being typecast.
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Isn't it part of the fun of The Doctor that he does regenerate so different leads, different styles? How about a female lead, doctor wakes up with "different bits" and different hormones?
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For me it makes sense.
There was a new Doctor when Moffat took over in full, so it is easier to change to the tone and feel of the show with a new Doctor as well as a new showrunner. |
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Classic Who had a fair few male companions, so not strictly true.
Also they already gender swapped the Master so don't think they would do that with The Doctor. Thirdly yes he does regenerate but it doesn't feel that long since Capaldi came on board. I'd have wanted one more season at least when Chris Chibnall takes over as show runner. |
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I've had arguments online with people who claim either that it is not Canon, or it's PC gone mad. Regarding the former, I have a couple of thoughts.
Regarding the latter, I agree that there are areas where Political Correctness has gone mad. I work in an organisation where one of the staff tried (and failed) to introduce the concept of "positive discrimination" where people were rewarded (in terms of job/promotion etc) because they are in a minority. Incidentally, that is a concept I find offensive as for one thing, discrimination is always negative (by discriminating for someone, you are discriminating against someone else) and for another, it demeans the achievements of anyone who actually got their job/promotion on merit. Back to The Doctor. I don't feel that awarding the part should be done for Politcally Correct reasons. It should be awarded to the person who can play the part best, and bring the most to the show/character. Regardless of race, gender, sexuality, age, disability or any other physical aspect. For instance, I read yesterday that Paul McGann has said he thinks Tilda Swinton would make a good doctor. I agree, I think she would. I would also like to see Richard E. Grant given a stab at the character on TV in the main series (I know he was in Scream Of The Shalka, but that has been overshadowed somewhat by the TV series). |
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All that said, I think they probably have leant towards female companions as a balance for the character of the Doctor, who is male. However the thinking behind that doesn't apply if they cast the next Doctor as a woman, because that decision will have been taken for different reasons. The only reason for casting a woman to play a male role is a perceived need for gender equality. Those same reasons would permit two females in the Tardis while simultaneously frowning on two males in the show's lead roles. Steven Moffat has spent the last 3 years furiously bending the show's continuity so as to provide a ready in-universe explanation for casting a female to play a character who has regenerated from male to male no fewer than 12 times. Nevertheless, such a radical change in the structure of one of the BBC's most lucrative properties isn't a decision that will be taken by Chris Chibnall alone. It will require consent from upstairs. ---------- Post added at 23:25 ---------- Previous post was at 22:59 ---------- Quote:
1. A story must be internally consistent. Yes, all those things are true of the Doctor, but all those things operate according to rules we have to feel we understand, otherwise it is not possible for us to be carried along with the sense of peril the show seeks to generate, or to find the eventual resolution satisfying. A show as long-running as this one has a lot of internal consistency to live up to and a lot of volunteers who will shout loudly if it doesn't. So leaps of faith don't come into it - either a gender-change is consistent with everything else we know about the Whoniverse, or it isn't. 2. It is now canon because Moffat has worked extremely hard to make it so. You can't really fashion gender change out of Romana's regeneration, which was silliness typical of that point in the show's history and in any case was intended to distract from the obvious failure of Mary Tamm to show up and shoot a regeneration sequence. The idea of gender-shifting Time Lords is entirely a work of the last 3-4 years, and has been done with the explicit aim of opening the role up to a female actor in future. 3. We know that Time Lords have meaningful gender because every single piece of relevant continuity from 1963 to date says that they do. Time Lords talk about their parents, they talk about being children; Gallifreyan children have been portrayed in the modern series more than once. With two very recent exceptions, Time Lords who regenerate always regenerate from male to male, or female to female. Everything we know about Gallifreyan society suggests that for one of them to change from a man to a woman or vice versa would be potentially problematic, certainly in a family setting where a couple are intending to have children. Also, Time Lords have always sought to avoid direct relations with other races. I think it extremely unlikely they would inconvenience themselves with alien concepts of gender just to endear themselves. Quote:
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Apparently Kris Marshall is currently tipped as the replacement.
Casting a female doctor would most likely turn some few fans away, but is unlikely to attract many new ones. I would be very suprised if they did that, especially as the viewing figures for the last season were a little lower than previous ones. |
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A good current example would be Liz Carr, who plays Clarissa in Silent Witness. She has a congenital condition that, amongst other things, more or less confines her to a wheelchair. As someone who has done stand up comedy for years, I think she brings a sparkle and a confidence to the character that I really enjoy (actually I think she's my favourite character in the series). On the other hand, her mobility issues mean that in casting her, the show runners have restricted whet they can do with her. She can't go pelting off down the street like Jack or Nikki. Her appearances are normally confined to a couple of rooms within their base. Doctor Who doesn't quite fit the usual casting rules. Normally when you have to re-cast a main role in a continuing drama, you and your audience conspire not to notice that the character's face and voice have changed. In Who, the changes in appearance and temperament that are a natural result of employing a different actor are written into the script and have an "in-universe" explanation. So yes, to answer your original point, any new actor playing the Doctor gives the script writers new possibilities. That would be the case regardless of whether the actor was male or female. However, even when selecting from exclusively male actors, the process is fraught with difficulties. Aficionados of the series generally look back on Colin Baker with affection, for example, but there's no doubt his wild, angry and sometimes murderous take on the character alienated the broader audience. And that's the key to all of this: you have to keep your audience on board. It is far from clear that casting a woman will work from that angle. The audience is used to the character being male. If they begin to feel the character has changed too much and is someone they no longer understand, they will switch off. There will be a *lot* of audience research before they ever cast a female actor to play the doctor. No doubt in the meantime the feminist lobby will continue to complain about gender bias (while cheerfully ignoring the strange and un-feminist implications of turning 50 years of male backstory female, rather than simply building a strong female character from scratch and allowing her to stand on her own merits) but gender bias is the worst possible reason to do it. I hope that the senior people at the BBC have the good sense to see it. |
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I don't think they would be turning 50 years of male backstory to female though would they? 'She' would still have that backstory and have that backstory as a man. Those stories would still be her past. It would be a bad decision to do this for political reasons but I think it's justifiable as a creative decision to have to deal with that change. Although given recent seasons of Doctor Who I am not they could pull it off. It's a change that wouldn't bother me but I am not really that into Doctor Who anyway. I'll watch it occasionally but am unaware of the canon of the show. |
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No, my point is, the Doctor is a hero character, highly regarded by the audience and loved by kids and nerds worldwide. That hero-worship is why feminists covet the role for a female actor. They see it as a way of diverting all that hero-worship onto a strong, female role model. But it is a Pyrrhic victory indeed for feminists to do this when that hero-worship is the work of half a century of male actors.
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I was just warming to him as well. Oh well I'll await the replacement with interest :)
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Regarding the role of the companion, I remember Janet Fielding said something in one of the DVD commentaries I think is possibly as a result of her feeling slightly bitter, but is also possibly true. She said that she always felt that the companion was there (from a narrative point of view) partly to provide a reason for the Doctor to explain some arcane technology (thus explaining it to the viewer as well) and partly to provide something for the audience to look at. Most of the classic era companions were not developed far beyond that. The fact that most of them were quite young and good looking would seem to back that up. OK, that's not true in all cases. Turlough wasn't what I would call good looking. A good actor, and a good character, but not good looking. He also had a backstory of sorts. Kameleon is, of course, another exception. He wasn't good looking (or a human for that matter), and had the technology been there, could genuinely have been interesting. In the modern series, all of the various companions have had some sort of back story. Rose had a family and Friend. Mickey had Rose as a friend and when he was introduced as a companion, got a nan. Martha had a family, and a cousin. Donna had a Mum, and the brilliant Bernard Cribbins as her Grandad. Rory and Amy had each other, and also Rory's dad. Even Clara had a family (although they were only referenced a couple of times) and her relationship with Danny (which I do consider a mistake, as I think it made the series slightly soppy). One thing that I like about the new series is it has shown that the companions have a life away from the Doctor (particularly Amy and Rory, but to some extent Martha and Clara as well) Ironically, in the original series, Teegan probably came closest to having a back story. |
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