Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

I think that was TC doing some fiddling, trying to make it look like his symbol rate was doubled, when the figure he posted was missing a zero so was 5x smaller

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

oh wait....here is it below:

Primary Downstream Service Flow SFID 38684
Max Traffic Rate 133000000 bps
Max Traffic Burst 10000 bytes
Min Traffic Rate 0 bps
Primary Upstream Service Flow SFID 38683
Max Traffic Rate 133000000 bps
Max Traffic Burst 10000 bytes
Min Traffic Rate 0 bps
Max Concatenated Burst 10000 bytes
Scheduling Type Best Effort

Getting 126.88Mb/126.57Mb Both 126Meg download and upload. ;)

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

As I've said before, I already had, and had to cancel my service when I lost my home.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

What are you on about?

VM always announce package speeds. i.e. 60, 100, 120, 152.

The Max Traffic Rate will no doubt be inline with other tiers:

An extra 33Mb which looks not bad.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Here we go again :rolleyes:

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

It it like Groundhog day with Telford i wish he would leave and stay left! lol

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

I wonder why 152Mbps? There must be something significant about the extra 2Mbps.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

BT FTTC offers max of 76Mbit to majority of people..

So they would offer 152Mbit.. so they could claim they are 2x faster than everybody else..

Check out their press release on ispreview or virgin official site..

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Still haven't got the 120/10 upgrade here, even though *My VM* page says it 's been done in the area!

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

That makes sense, actually.

Have you tried calling them up?

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Check on www.virginmedia.com/speedupgrade

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Ah , it's slightly different on that page ...
Whereas on the other page ...
Fair enough , I'm not that desperate anyway, as long as I get a nice steady connection (which I do!) all is OK.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Is it a comparable product? Seems a bit expensive to me: http://www.broadbandchoices.co.uk/ne...st-year-160113

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

No, it won't be extra 33Mb as Virgin say it will be anything up to 20Mb extra on every product. So 152Mb will get a speedtest of 145Mb



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because virgin media say somnething about twices the faster than BT FTTC 76Mb as that why they put up from 150Mb to 152Mb. Pretty silly.

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And the upload staying at 20Mbps as well. 330/20. Waste of money. And 36 months is putting everyones off. Virgin Media will get 400/40 one day in 2017

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

That's not how Virgin work. They always add overhead to the packages to make sure they meet the advertised speed, which is why most people on 120mb can actually get 126mb for example. I would say it's a safe bet that the modem stats will be somewhere around 160mb to make sure people can reach the advertised 152mb.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Ah ok. But surely upload should be 15 not 12?

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

splendid news

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Bills to rise 6.7% from February :(

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Yes sadly price rises are a yearly occurrence and this is no different and my advice is to look around and try to get the best value package for yourself and your family.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Under new ofcom ruling you are allow to leave Virgin Media without any penalty charge if they did rise your price during your half way of your current contract

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Under existing Virgin Media rules, you've always been able to do that anyway for cable services.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Except the new ruling doesn't come into effect until early next year and only applies to new contracts.

Interesting.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

So if you take the 150 meg option and sign a new contract, the price goes up by 6.7%? A "free" upgrade indeed.

Or will the price rise be wider than new contracts?

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24911042

That's the only thing that will make me start to think about downgrading or moving altogether.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Any price rise will happen whether you go for the new speed or not.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Nooo, I was talking about OFCOM's ruling that price rises mean you can exit your contract early. The price will go up regardless, but you've got little recourse.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Again, problem with your maths. In order to get 145Mb maximum on speed test you need to change the Max Traffic Rate to be 152Mb. Virgin don't announce max traffic rates, they announce tiers and as Kabaal quite rightly said add an overhead to skew the Ofcom results. So what I said, speed of 160Mb, should be correct if VM do what they announced.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

The last price rise (£1.50 for BB only customers) resulted in a price reduction for those that phoned in to complain. Mine went from £26.75 with an impending £1.50 increase down to £22.50 for 60Mbps.

On that basis and the fact I never get that 60Mbps according to the SamKnows box my target price when notified of the change will be £20.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Standalone broadband customers won't get another price increase in Feb - as you've already had yours.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Aw shucks - so I can't get another reduction then :(

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Talking about speedtests..

I think config for 152 will look like this:

152Mb

Downlaod: 160000000 bps - ~152.58Mbps (Speed Test)
Upload: 12000000 bps - ~11.44Mbps (Speed Test)


No increase for stand alone broadband package? Is that 100%?


Then it's a good news for me. I removed phone service from package and signed up for 12 months for standalone broadband just 5 days after price increase in October. So might work out ok for me.

In any case you can almost always phone up and negotiate your price.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Currently on the Premiere package which has 60Mb internet. Checked what speed increase i'll be getting and got this

I'm currently on a loyalty discount that runs out in April next year so i'll be phoning up anyway to see what I can get. But |I dod find it strange that it still says that i'm on 10Mb.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Ooops, wonder why it's done that. But I'd expect the date estimate to be correct

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

That would be a departure from the over-provisioning they do on all the tiers so far and would gain them nothing. They would lose on marketing because some areas Ofcom results are deflated due to congestion and won't achieve that speed. I can't see them shooting themselves in the foot like that as they actually care about how they are allowed to market their product.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Just signed up will get 152meg between April and September next year in Swansea

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

I think it's been like that for quite a while. I downgraded to 10Mb ages ago then got a call a couple of months after offering me the Premiere collection which worked out cheaper than what I was paying. There were a few issues setting up my Premiere collection as I only had the old small blue modem (250?) and they kept trying to put the 60Mb config file onto it which obviously wouldn't work and killed my internet. They had to send me a superhub out and once I recieved that I got it all set up at the right speed and my bills even say i'm on the premiere collection with broadband XL (up to 60Mb).

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Just logged on to my VM account, and received a message telling me i'm Getting a free upgrade to 100mb, well chuffed, but is anything ever free?

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

No because there is a broadband price rise early next year so its not free as we know it.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Then I suppose they will set it higher than that..

170000000 bps or something...

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

We are still waiting for my last upgrade and according to my Virgin Media its supposed to be happening this month or next month but l will believe it when it happens..

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

... and then, as if by magic, the announcement of a 6.7% price increase
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24911042

Anyone notice a pattern here :mad:.

So not even 12 months since the last major hike and they are putting prices up again by significantly more than inflation.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

So a ~20-80% increase in speeds and you complain about a 6% price increase?

Get real.

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Nah,

With next gen game downloads at 30, 40, 50GB+ per game,

I'll happily take faster speeds.

Why would anyone want to wait 'minutes' for downloads?

Under 30 seconds should be a target for also anything to download,

1-10Gb speeds should help with that!! (Of course years away).

But if people like you had their own way, we would be stuck on 56k or 128k :/

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The main question is,

Will my VMNG300 be able to handle 152Mb ?

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

^^ it won't handle 120 Meg either. Get real!

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Virgin does states free upgrade to 152Mb from 120Mb with no addition cost is a lie.....I can see many had complaint it should be free (remember double speed for no extra charge and they put up two rises within 12 months)

So, virgin media is a biggest lies company with price rises going up again in February 2014 (that a third rises within 18 months)

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

The price rises would happen with or without the speed increases, therefore the speed increases are for 'no additional cost' / 'free'

In regards to the number of prices changes, no price per service will have risen twice between in the 12 month period as far as I'm aware

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Hmmm ... I seem to believe my energy bills have risen each year, so has my water, petrol, oil etc etc. Virgin are no different.

Seems to me that it was not so long ago people were praising them for BT Sports, extra channels and now Netflix

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2013/11/11.png
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2013/11/12.png
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...12-11-2013.png
why is virgin media throttling my speed all day never get over 20 Meg all day on my 120Meg service. Not happy.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Theoretically I can handle 200meg (EuroDOCSIS 3.0 max out at 50 and it can handle 4 of them), though I suspect 152 might be unachievable if your area has even a bit of congestion. I seem to recall the modem it's built around being rated for 160 meg, but that may be a bad memory.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

the difference is that VM love to be punctual about their price increases and make sure that they happen in February, but they are definitely going to take the rest of next, and probably into 2015 for the upgrades. We all know what it has been like with the speed doubling, loads of areas were back months and months

yeah i am not holding my breath to be honest. I'll see how it goes but i am expecting to have to ring up for a shub2

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

To be honest, it would be stupid to do upgrades all in one go, even if there weren't capacity reasons to space it out

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Ring them bud I had to,they had forgot to upgrade me took 5min;)

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Don't forget you will only get this speed if your processor can handle it.

My old laptop could just about scrape 90meg, my new one got 121meg.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

i know but they could be a bit more tactful about. They try to sugar coat things and make out it is a free upgrade and it is going to take all of next year and then a few days later we are slapped with a price increase before any of it happens. I know it is a "free" upgrade but if they want to tie customers into 12 month contracts at the point of upgrade then they should tie the price increase in with it as well. It would be an incentive for VM to pull their finger out; no price increase until the upgrade.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Which would mean that customers would get two price changes next year rather than one, as the price changes are broadband (when taken with a phone), phone and TV.

So customers on any form of dual or triple service would get one price increase in Feb for TV / Phone and then another at some point during the rest of the year.

From a customer relations perspective it would be really bad to do, as you'd have almost continual price increases over a period of time, and the associated activity of letters and calls etc. From a business perspective it's also difficult to manage as you'd have weekly/monthly spikes in calls every time an area of customers got a price increase because they'd had their speed increase.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

the price rise will affect broadband stand alone too

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

No, it won't, as they already had their increase last month.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

My area has very low utilisation.

I guess time will tell and I have every faith in that modem to pump out those Megabits !!

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Feel sorry for those in the areas that get done in December next year, just weeks before 2015. More than a year they will wait after this has been announced!

The announcements for VM's upgrades and products are getting longer and longer away from the actual completion date.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

The planned completion timescale for this upgrade is actually shorter than the previous set.

The speed double work was announced in January 2012, will an announced timescale of 18 months http://www.which.co.uk/news/2012/01/...speeds-276549/

So far with the new upgrades, I've not seen anyone will an expected upgrade date past the end of next year - meaning it's around 13 months between announcement and expected completion.

This is excluding changes to the plans due to technical reasons

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

January 2012?

And Uddingston UBR was completed at end of last month so it was late...and the expected upgrade date is July-December 2014 for 152Mb.

Why didn't they do the necessary upgrade work at the same time? Seems like a pointless waste if now doing more upgrade works..just a few weeks later.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

If I had to guess, it's because when the previous upgrade work was started, it wasn't know what further upgrades would be done.

So each area is upgraded to the same planned configuration, to make sure that it can be technically supported in the same way across the network.

Now that the further set of upgrades have been give the go ahead, a new upgrade configuration will be done in each area - so again at the end of the work, each area is the same.

Swapping to a different configuration halfway or three quarters of the way through a project introduces complexity that would increase costs.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

It's about £30 a month with free installation, so yes a comparable product.

Your link is pointing to something else entirely, a trial on-demand service.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

I do understand that starting a project then changing half-way through would needlessly add unnecessary expense but surely this strategy wasn't just decided in the last 2 weeks?

I'm not just trolling, BTW, due to get Virgin bb (120Mb) again in the next few weeks. Just thought it seemed a bit stupid that upgrades in this area had "just" completed.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

I'm amused by a certain bunch of people constantly batting on about how the price rises "would happen anyway" as if they're an inevitable part of any contract - shortly after OFCOM just ruled that actually, quite the opposite, prices should stay the same within any two-way commitment.

Even without that, I still recall the old days where my phone bill or broadband service cost the same per month, every month, for five years straight. Funny how the "inevitable" yearly price rise only appears when something "free" is being given out.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Isn't it stupid that BT line rental has been reduced at a wholesale level by OFCOM over the last few years but all the providers have increased the cost to consumers for the same service?
Virgin who do not even use BT have also been profiteering by using the same "stealth" price rise each year.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Not saying it was, but it always wasn't decided in 2011, which is when the plan for the double speed upgrades would have been signed off.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

No problems.

I just thought that these newer upgrades would have been planned a while ago . I DO know that the Uddingston UBR covers a lot of areas and would have needed a LOT of work. I have seen a lot of (road)work(s) recently nearby to enable this and was just thinking that they could have saved themselves a lot of extra work by doing it at the same time. Big companies pay a fortune by not having joined-up thinking.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Don't care to be honest. My FTTC will be ready before that, and I am off to join FTTC. Bye bye virgin media in 2014.

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I agree. It's stupid to do upgrade 120Meg then 12 months later upgrade to 152Meg. Why they do it straight away? Waste of time.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

flash based speedtests are heavy on cpu, but if you eg. download with a ftp client or notmal http download then anything made remotely recently should handle it.

chrome is especially bad, chrome on dual core amd which runs at over 3ghz on my spare rig cant get more than about 40mbit/sec, but IE on the same machine can. (flash speedtest).

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yeah whats going on in DSL world currently with line rental is a scandal in my opinion. I have been raising my voice about it on other sites.

Typically dsl prices stay static or even drop, but line rental goes up annually and in most adverts line rental is not shown as part of the price, yet line rental is compulsory for dsl. Even worse is in latest BT price rises traditionally free services such as caller display are now having fee's applied. The runmour mill is all this is to pay for the football rights BT have obtained, as its now not just EPL football but they also now have overpaid for the champions league, bidding more than double of itv and sky. So BT retail have chose to spread the cost of BT sport across all customers, and for all xDSL isp's line rental is their new cash cow (As well as calls), even isp's like zen have jumped on the line rental bandwagon.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

But can/would BT use profit's derived from the wholsale line market to fund their sports service?

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Yeah, BT will not using Naked DSL as an option. They need the money. BT does control. We have no choice. But, for me I have no line rental with virgin media, just a cable broadband stand alone which it nice!

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

It's only a few weeks since the previous upgrade completed!
It's 8 months until the earliest the new upgrade could happen from.


Haven't you posted stupid stuff like this every few weeks since I joined this forum 5 years ago and yet you're still here posting nonsense?

(to anyone) How do I block just TC's posts? (S)He can be entertaining but sometimes....???

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Oh please don't block me. I am here to entertaining and love you all guys! ;)

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

What is the point? Sometime he is right and as someone pointed out it is hard to find predictions/assertions he has made that are definitely wrong. It's hard to prove a negative.

Also you will see conversations TC has triggered without seeing what triggered them.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Can you provide a link? All I can find is the Unlimited BT Infinity 4 package which is a FTTP (FoD) product and so has a) poor coverage b) very expensive upfront installation charge plus £50 pcm cost -- from: http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php...-surfaces.html

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

That BT 330MB article was from January 2013 so looks a trial to me and you've found the latest offering ianch99.

Interesting to read from the ISP Review it is only available to around 100,000 houses right now (I call that an extended trial) and only has 20MB upload so not even 10:1, see http://www.productsandservices.bt.co...aster-internet

BT Infinity 3 (160MB max) is the equivalent product to VMs 150MB new service but even then it is down to availability.

Just checked my area on the availability link in the above web site and for my location (Nottingham NG2) I only get 45.2MB and 8MB upload which must be the best I can get from Infinity 2 in my local area.

I'm currently on a rock solid 60MB from VM and will be upgraded to 100MB next year which will probably match what I would get from Infinity 3 (160MB, but should be around 95MB for me if I only get 45 out of 76MB max on Infinity 2) if that was launched in my area as it is not available at my post code on the BT site. I note the ISP Review also stated Infinity 3 is also only available to100,000 houses so there is some way to go before BT makes these large scale viable products and they are likely to be costly for some time yet so not mass market appeal anyway I guess.

Naturally I am very happy with VM therefore!

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

I would agree, I can't get Infinity even though our city has been provisioned for 2+ years. Even if I could order the product, I would only get around 37/6 ..

BTW, the BT Infinity 3 and 4 products still have a large upfront install cost to get the fibre to your house from the nearest NGA (?) The report I linked implies costs that could exceed £1000 .. ouch!

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Yes that is expensive as somebody has to pay for the fibre to your house so that is us!
At that price I can only see it being purchased by ultra enthusiasts and home workers whose business will fund the link or if you work for BT (which I do but not networking/BB) you can get BT BB/Infinity for virtually fee/discounted (one of the perks of the job).

It is interesting see how even with FTTC, how that final copper link to your house can still degrade the headline speed promoted by BT even for Infinity, so always worthwhile to use the address checker and see what they declare if interesting in Infinity.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Well craig apparently believed him on this when I pointed it out as palpably incorrect...
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12...l#post35642660
At the time it wasn't proven to be wrong but now that VM have announced their strategy for 2014 and it doesn't appear to offer either 200 down or the massive network upgrades that 100 up would involve I think we can safely say it is wrong.

If enough random predictions get made then so long as they aren't beyond the feasible as that one is on upstream some are bound to eventually prove to be correct.

I've given up putting anybody on ignore as it is indeed pointless - especially with controversial posters who get quoted and talked about.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

<3 love you too kiwkkie

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Yeah - you're off again :)
In fact nobody is on my list for the reasons I gave. Not that I expect you to give a flying **** anyway - at least I would hope not.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

line rental is BTs bread and butter, if naked dsl ever came, then the line rental fo rthat would likely be very similiar and if any difference exists it would be plumped onto the broadband rental.

The interesting bit is people say providers are all after call revenue, but I cant think of many people who heavily use landlines as its the mobile phone era, only businesses seem to use them heavily.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

For the last year or two I have noticed that providers with their package deals try to get people on the basic free weekend calls only, possibly for the reason of making more money through phone calls. The packages are often stacked in such a way that most have only the basic option unless you go for the top combined packages. The mixture of free weekends, free evening and weekends and anytime calls has changed a lot the last couple of years.

Just an observation from looking at providers over the last 18 months.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

yeah, i can't remember the exact details of the package buy I am sure we are on the top phone package for free evening and weekend calls and then we pay an extra £3 to make it free landline calls anytime

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

my view is thats now the min package for 2 reasons.

1 - it is an excuse for higher prices.
2 - most people arent making enough calls to make it good value (in other words its profitable).

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

A quick question for the technically minded guys out there, i am on the 100Mb at the moment, i didn't bother to take up the 120Mb option when it was offered as it meant having to get the new superhub, the reason i didn't bother was because there were all sorts of reports saying that the superhub was basically rubbish, can anyone tell me if the superhub has had a software update, and therefore all the teething problems that were there at the start have gone or not?

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

The 120mb package was not an option afaik if you are already on 100mb, it will be automatically pushed to your modem, but that should have been done by now, ring up and ask them to change your package to 120mb and it should just push automatically to your current modem ;)

You shouldn't have to change the modem unless it is incapable of providing 120mb, if you are using the VMNG300, they are compatible.. I think

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

There's no issue of "compatability". It's about throughput and load-balancing.

The VMNG300 can do 4 downstream channels maximum, so theoretically 200Mb.
However some areas have been upgraded to 6 or 8 downstream channels to distribute the load better between the channels. In those areas, being stuck on 4 channels might only give 85 or 105Mb or whatever. You'd only know once you try.

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In modem mode both Superhubs are good. Better than the VMNG300 as they have 8 downstream channels and 4 upstream channels to distribute the load better.

Wifi wise the Superhub1 is still poor (because that's a hardware antenna issue), the Superhub2 is ok.
If you're using your own wireless router you probably won't notice any difference, except for the increased speed.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Thats debatable though

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

And besides it isn't anything to get really worked up about, at least not to the point of making someone feel uncomfortable.

I'm afraid I have been guilty of this, showing exasperation and inadvertently encouraging attacks on TC, but really we need to chill out and chuckle quietly inside.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

If he's moving to 120Mb then he's unlikely to get full speed all the time on a VMNG300, unless his area is still only on 4 ds channels.

Anything else we can't really predict.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

We've had this argument plenty of times before. Apparently channels can be swapped around as needed, so the UBR is capable of load-balancing them correctly. I don't necessarily buy that though, I don't see why Virgin would bother pushing out 6 or 8 DS channels in that case.

Simply put, the SH2 is a fine device and especially in modem mode, it's comparable to the Ambit 300 except with the extra channels. Anyone arguing otherwise is seriously splitting hairs.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

in VM support mode during that post?

Not sure whats so complex about it.

A docsis will assign 4 DS channels to a connecting vmng300, unless there is a fault or restriction in config. If there is more than 4 DS channels the docsis can choose which 4 to assign, it doesnt have to be the same 4 every time, so as such a degree of load balancing can still occur with 4 DS modems on 8 DS channels. Indeed VM have operated like that for years prior to docsis 3 eg. using 1 US channel modems in service groups of 4 US channels.

A vmng300 modem wont automatically get less speed in 8 DS channel service groups, in fact its more likely to get higher speeds as there is more capacity available to all users.

The sh2 a fine device which completely obseletes the vmng300? never used a sh2 so cant speak on own experience but there is problems reported by sh2 users so I expect the statement is false.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

And VMNG graphs still look far smoother than either SH1 or SH2 graphs

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Yet if one of the VMNG300's in each of the 4 DS channels take 120Mb then the other VMNG300 in your example can only achieve the remaining 80Mb. So only half the VMNG300's achieve full speed. i.e. two modems.

Compare that with 8 DS channels where 3 Superhubs can achieve the full 120Mb with a remaining 40Mb left over.

I'd say that's getting less speed.

If you mix VMNG300's into already saturated channels then the situation can be even worse where none of them achieve full speed.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

Although thats an unlikely situation

With the 120Mbit config set at 133Mbit, that leaves 1Mbit of shared capacity left over, although, again, not a likely situation, and will also vary area by area see here for a simple explanation of bandwidth contention, its not something that can be plotted, or have rules applied to it, it varies area by area, and VM have to manage it as so


And superhubs on saturated channels can magically add their own bandwidth!?

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

It doesn't matter how unlikely a situation it is. Less VMNG300's will achieve full speed than Superhub's given a finite set of channels, no matter how large that number is.

That's a strawman argument and you know it.

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

As already noted, only on saturated channels, otherwise the only limiting factor is the max traffic rate set by the config

On a saturated group of channels, the superhub will potentially see more bandwidth, whereas the VMNG will give a more consistent quality of service

Re: Virgin Media 150Mb Coming 2014
 

There's 54 Mb's per 256 QAM channel x 8 = 432Mb.
You already counted Docsis overheads in the 133Mb config.
So ~33Mb left over, but lets not quibble over a few Mb.

I'm not making rules for contention, just showing that you are wrong about the VMNG300 having no impact on speed vs the Superpup.

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Found another reason why VM are advertising 152Mb (see page 5):
http://www.cablelabs.com/cablemodem/.../docsis_30.pdf