Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Somebody posted a ppt from the AGM last year. Didn't they were going to start the docsis3.1 trials next year with a view to rolling it out in 2016?

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Yeah I remember that. It supposedly will start with DOCSIS3.1 modems being given out, then network upgrades to follow. Bit of a shame the SH3 is just 3.0, really.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

... or even a SH2ac.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

As far as I know there aren't any D3.1 gatways being produced yet.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

If I remember correctly they wanted to do it a bit backwards. They were going to rollout 3.1 modems long before they had planned doing the network upgrades. I think the idea was that modems are bakwards compatible with 3.0 so they are going to work regardless and then as the infrastructure becomes available everything will be migrated transparently and the user will be none the wiser .

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Ok, but that's what I meant. I can't find any links to confirm that D3.1 customer kit is being installed by anyone yet.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

i know, the pdf said 2015. I imagine VM will announce a 200mbit upgrade this November as they usually do and then plan something huge they can advertise next year which they'll tie in with a 3.1 modem knowing that the customer is going to need to be on 3.1 going forward if they are going to continue to be on the highest tier (like moi). I would like to see a jump to 300mbits on 16 channels, that would give them something to shout about and quite justifiably.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

I think if people are expecting an en masse replacement of modems with 3.1 modems they're in for a world of disappointment. That would cost a fortune.

3.0 modems are 'in theory' compatible with 3.1 CMTS, and upgrading at least some CMTS is hopefully just a software upgrade if a converged cable platform is being used.

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500Mb/50Mb is being done right now on the same hardware the SH3 is using. There's really no desperate rush in terms of tiers of service to jump to 3.1 :)

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Back in the day when 50mbits came out I can remember making a big flap about docsis 3 being exclusive for 50mbit users and everyone else was staying on docsis 2. Given the performance gains of 3.1 I assumed that any new tier coming out next year would be launched with a 3.1 modem so the customer is ready when VM decide they want to take advantage of it (just as vmgn300 was for 50mbit and shub2 was for 152mbits). Just as attempting 152mbits on a vmng300 was pushing it for 4 channels I imagine 300mbits is pushing your luck on a shub1/2 on 8 channels so I would imagine they want a 16 channel modem tied into the rollout.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

The SH3 is a 16 channel downstream, 4 channel upstream DOCSIS 3 modem.

You seem to be confusing 16 channel modems with DOCSIS 3.1, they aren't the same thing. There are exactly zero DOCSIS 3.1 home gateways available right now, and even when they become available they'll be very expensive.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2014/06/15.png

Was delivered on a 16 channel modem - http://www.icbn.com.tw/product.php?act=view&no=37

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

If it's based on the C6250, which is what the Wifi Certificate seems to say, isn't it 16x4?

http://cl.netgear.com/service-provid...C6250.aspx#two

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

that is what i was going to say, I saw the specs posted in two different places last week and both said 16 channels.

Either way, I am not getting confused, I was just trying to make the point that even with the 3.1 gateways and infrastructure available, one of the bonuses of providing customers with 3.1 equipment will be that it will be able to support more channels simply because it is newer hardware and more recent and will thus be able to cater for the new higher speed tiers coming out.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Edited, my bad, thank you.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

But they aren't available yet - that's the point isn't it?

If / when they are then that's a different question. But there is no reason for Virgin Media to stop a broadband kit roadmap to wait for them to be available.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Same reasons the SH1 and SH2 are only 8 channel modems and the SH3 a 16x4 channel device rather than a 24x8 channel - cost and business case.

CPE is VM's biggest capital expense.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

I don't know how we have managed to go off on a tangent, I have never suggested that they need to stop any plans which are currently being implemented. The only point I have tried to make over the last couple of pages is that it would make sense for them to make shub3 available to customers who are going to upgrade to 200mbit (if/when it gets announced in November) and to new customers (as they have done in the past) and then next year start dishing out the 3.1 modems to top tier only ready for a new 300mbit tier and eventual migration onto 3.1 infrastructure

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

FYI:

https://www.excentis.com/system/file...cts_list_0.pdf

I think I get what you're saying General but it doesn't really make commercial sense. This would be the equivalent of VM starting to hand out the VMNG300 to 20Mb customers in advance for eventual migration to DOCSIS 3.0 before the DOCSIS 3.0 network were completed.

VM wouldn't be paying Netgear for the SH2.2 / SH3 which won't go live until later this year if they plan on obsoleting it next year. The SH2 would be absolutely fine with 152Mb or indeed 200Mb - you guys were at one time on 20Mb delivered over 27Mb-38Mb.

One thought that does come to mind is deploying a 3.1 device and supplying it with a whole brand new tier rather than an upgrading tier, as they did with the VMNG300 when customers purchased that.

The problem with deploying it more widely than that is that it would be an expensive device as I mentioned, the VMNG300 wasn't cheap, and not looking at any names but people would get sulky at others having newer CPE than them and get on the phone to retentions threatening to leave VM forever and curse their name to Satan if they don't have one couriered before the end of the hour.

For the geeks:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2014/06/14.png

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

not me, I fought my ass off to keep my vmng300/get it back rather than have shub1. Although I am happy with shub2 I would have kept my vmng300 if it was practical to do so. I also wouldn't be too fussed about shub3 or new docsis3.1 cpe unless there was going to be a performance increase (e.g. I thought I needed access to a larger bonding group due to speed issues). Other than that I am all for if it ain't broken don't fix it. I spend a lot of time making sure I buy decent stuff when I need something so I am never in a hurry to replace it.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

You're probably right.

They'll be a 'free upgrade' announcement with some past it celeb promoting (Melvyn Hayes is available I hear ....)

Prices rises (totally unconnected) will follow almost immediately. The 'free' upgrades will come months/years later for existing customers and immediately for new customers or anybody mug enough to sign a new contract.

Who on earth needs more than 50 MB anyway ?? It's good enough for everything I can think of, particularly now there are no data restrictions. It's just a game of mine's bigger that yours Top Gear mentality (by the way mine is bigger than yours just in case you were wondering ;))

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Interestingly the MXL261 cable front-end is only an 8-channel demodulator.

I am finding myself wondering if this is using the 1st generation of the 6250 hardware, the 8x4 variant now.

Saving the pennies wherever they can be saved I guess.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

I am so glad you said that because I was thinking about this the other day. I have always been on the highest tier available and over the years that has been;

512k, 1mbit, 1.5mbits, 3mbits, 10mbits, 20, 50, 100, 120 and now 152.

Now this is the interesting bit: When I was on 56k it would take me nearly a day to download an episode of something in SD. I got my BB and thought downloading at 70k/sec was amazing and it only took 1hr 30 mins (ish) to download the same file, then that got doubled and I was down to 45 mins for an episode so I was pretty much in real time, then it increased slighty again, then I was at 3mbits and down to 22 mins and it went on from there obviously to 10mins, 5mins, 1 minute something.
If I were to download 3 or 4 eps of something in SD on my current connection, as soon as I have clicked the links for 3 eps and ok'd them, the first download already finished, it is that fast.

Unless I was downloading a tonne of stuff then I don't need everything to finish in 10 seconds but you look at some 1080p encodings of current series and they are 4.5gb. 152mbits still might be considered disproportionately fast but I like getting downloads done and out the way so I know they are there for when I need them and I don't have to keep coming back to make sure it is still ticking along ok and hasn't dropped to 50k/sec and is going to take another day to download.

I bought a new pc a couple of weeks ago and one of the first things that popped up when I turned it on was the nvidia control panel telling me I needed to download the latest driver. Guess how big it is? 275Mb. The driver for my soundcard is 88mb, the logitech drivers for my mouse are 60mb, the software for one of my nas server is 190mb and so on. I don't want to be sitting here thinking "oh it is ok, I'll wait 2 hours for all of this download". I want it done asap so I can move on to installing other stuff and configuring stuff and the sooner I can get it all done the better.

My connection sits here idle for most of the time but I would rather pay for a super fast connection so the juice is there when I need it rather than contribute to network congestion and having it in use most of time at a slower speed.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Good points, General. Don't forget, you're also just a single user. We've long gone past the days where one person would be using "the computer" at a time and we all had to share - quite common just 10 years ago.

Now pretty much everyone in the house has their own device, always connected all the time. It adds up remarkably quickly.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

@General Maximus
are you going to get 200Mb broadband speed and 1Gb when its available in the UK?

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

So if i have this right will the new hub support 16 Down & 4 Up. ?

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

ya, there is always something around I'll use it for. 200mbits sounds like a lot and if you are on a lower tier it would be. The jump for me going from 50mbits to 100mbits was nice, especially on the upstream, but since the upgrades I have had have only been marginal improvements. 200mbits will be nice but a bigger jump to 250mbits would be sweeeet.

ya

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

If that block diagram is accurate, no.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

I think people seem to be forgetting DOCSIS 3.1 doesn't actually use "channels" at least not in the traditional sense of how they have been used up to now. It's all OFDM subcarriers from here on out (which is a good thing BTW).

If you want to talk DOCSIS 3.1 you ought to get the idea of "channels" out of your head and think more like LTE :p:

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Interesting, pretty much identical wireless hardware to the BT Home Hub 5 - and only a year and a bit behind...

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That'd be no surprise. The SoC and the wireless chip in the Superhub 1 were not only el-cheapo'd to hell but both obsoleted before the device even came out.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Yeah but that doesn't necessarily mean that Virgin will push 16 channels. I think the rumour was 12 this year?

Still a nice little jump that should support 200Mbit easily.


Interesting, that sounds like a much bigger change than the .1 would lead you to believe.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

I took for granted that people talking about it would've had a looksie at what it actually is.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Has anybody else noticed the "New Broadband Hardware Trial Summer 2014" section on the virgin media forums? Was this opened up publicly for sign up like the SH2 was or what?

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

You're dreaming, go back to sleep...

These are not the droids you're looking for (waves hand dramatically).

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Who says there is not going to be :)

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Would it not have been more appropriate with increased likelihood of a response to ask the question on the VM site?
If you can actually access the board then why not post the question there and if you can't access it then flag it to a VM Mod? ;)

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Especially given the VM's forum's moderator's inclination's towards deleting anything they don't want other people reading.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Of course he can ask where he wants, but if he want's just a simple answer as opposed to an explanation along with assistance in accessing something then he's unlikely to get it all answered/resolved here!

Simple answer(that you can also provide) to OP question = YES and NO
Unauthoritative Explanation = Previous Trialist and Trial Section ACL not modified, which may well then inadvertently display boards that cannot be accessed so then becomes responsibility of VM Forum Admin to correct by either removing that from display or granting user access by modifying the ACL's including the board itself to allow access for individual and/or public, or alternatively constantly repeating the explanation.
Not all of which can be done here unless VM Forum Admin subscribe on this website, and actions for the individual(s)?.

That's no different to subset of Private boards on this and many website communities? Some we can see but not access either by design or accident?
So yes the OP raised it and it got fixed(for him). No doubt there may well be other previous VM trialists in same context with the exact same issue.

I don't see the problem in pointing a user to where he can actually get an incongruity fixed because the responsibility doesn't lie with you/me nor likely any other member on this site?
Doesn't stop him/you/whoever debating it further nor any disingenuous poster suggesting the VM Mods are deleting stuff that they don't want public?
Their job (just as Mods here) is to remove inappropriate content either from Public view and/or the site itself without recourse to a community debate first!

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Trialists are wanted for "New Broadband Hardware".

Those who want a chance to take part, same as usual, fill in the form!

http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...l/td-p/2382879

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Superhub 3?

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

I'd be surprised if it's not.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Certainly gonna sign up this time! Missed out on the Hub 2 trial.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

According to ISPreview it will be a AC1600 2×2 – 2.4 GHz and 3×3 11ac 5GHz hub based off the Netgear C6250 Gateway. I guess VM are playing catchup with the HH5

Linky

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

well i've signed up willing to give it ago

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

And me :)

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

I have signed up as well,

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

@rickymallory
i posted it for people on the virgin media forum for you aswell.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

signed up

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

signed up as well, might as well.. live on the bleeding edge ;)

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Signed up also

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Is it different from the device specs posted before, the one that can do 16 D/S channels?

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

yes it's just the superhub 2 with a ac chip & 8 D/S 4 U/S still

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Interesting! It actually makes a lot of sense for Virgin to upgrade their existing equipment to the newer wireless standard, instead of just pushing out entirely new hardware.

I'm still a bit sceptical if only because that just seems like the sensible thing to do and that is very out of character for Virgin.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Semantics.

There's a bigger difference between the "SH2AC" and the "SH2" than between the SH2 and the SH1.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Care to elaborate?

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Omg omg omg! I can't wait!

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

It's like how a Home Hub 5 is a Home Hub 4 with an AC chip.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

when will we find out if we are in

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

So it has the some slow ass cpu?

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

They should e-mail you to let you know your in the trial. Wait for few weeks.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Tried to Trail however I get "Access Denied" Anything I can do extra?

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

So this is how it's gonna be huh?
Superhub
Superhub 2
Superhub 2s
Superhub 2ac
Superhub 2acs
Superhub 2 Mini
SuperPad 2
Superhub Note 2
Superhub Air
Superhub 3
Superhub 3s
Superhub 3G
Superhub 3Gs
Superhub Pad Plus 3Gs AC Ultra Mini Note XTreme OC Twin Elite Pro Over 9000 Gigabit edition
Superhub 4 Beats by Dre

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

I don't think the Superhub is at risk of being "overrated".

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Lets hope they don't tits up this time and keep you out :)

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

@Coffeeguy you remember what happened last time in the trial you haven't forgotten.
don't no whats going to happen this time. hope things go good.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Not as good as the SH2 though.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Anyone know how long it'll take them to send out invites to the trial?

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Wot? While you're still humping that Kushan?

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Damn right

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

No idea, but I sent a (late-ish) application to the trial, so fingers crossed.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

tits up? na, kept out for valid reasons! unfortunately access to the testing area was granted. i hope it isnt this time around!

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

there was no valid reason for trial? tell you the truth if they don't allow me in the trial of Superhub 2AC or Superhub 3 I don't care.
even if they do let me in the trial they might not even give the SH2AC to me for testing might have to get it from Retention again like last time.

I have no time for argument with thenry. just leave my flipping head alone.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Why on earth are they deploying equipment before it has been "tested"? Is this like a blind test?

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

good question

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Because staff have already tested it and it's a really small change from the standard SH2.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Interesting, especially as this isn't the first wave of testing either for the SH2 with ac?

I wonder why they opened it for more testing, especially if it's going out to new customers silently anyway. Intriguing, and I'm only slightly disappointed that I didn't get one with my install 6 weeks ago, heh.

Admittedly, I just want to try out this spangly new ac tech really, so aside from wanting to test the thing to death to report anything weird to VM, my motivations for applying were quite selfish.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

That's kind of what I'm getting at - why bother testing it if you're already deploying it in the field?

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Changing the wireless chip (and consequently, presumably, changing the wireless driver) isn't really a small change in the context of a wireless router, it has the potential to make or break everything and cause a huge headache. Even minor version updates to the same wireless drivers have been known to break things.

After all, the wireless driver(s) were the cause of most wireless related problems with the original Superhub.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

It'll use the same wireless driver as already released kit under the Netgear brand. It's not a big deal.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Well, wasn't the Superhub 1 also just a rebranded CG3101D or something? AKA "already released kit under the Netgear brand"

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Yes but with custom firmware (aka "bodged").

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Just had a private message I was successful in getting in this trial.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

damn looks like i didn't get in

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Same :(

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

It's evidently already been onto general release...

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Same here

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

I'm surprised they just didn't re-use everyone who was in the SH2 trial. I do love feeling used ;).

Cheers

Grim

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Nothing here either, darn. Well I hope the testing goes well (& lots of bugs are squished) for those who are participating.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

In fairness, if I had a choice between this or the SH3 test, I'd rather be in the latter :P

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

The SH2ac has just arrived, it says i need to return the old SH2 within 21 days or i maybe charged, does anyone know if i really need to return it?

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Yes, they are already being used. People are asking questions over in the Virgin Forums, and the SH2ac's are mentioned.

Looks like I didn't get one either for trials, but I'm not too fussed if it's already in general circulation.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

should you be asking testing related questions here having been put on the trial?

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

wow! guess who did get it http://www.maintitles.net/gfx/smileys/face-palm-mt.gif

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Eh? What testing related questions?

I didn't get such a note.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

What's wrong with what Snoopz said?

And why are you bothered?

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

ok nothing.

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Just managed to install the new SH2ac, it came with an added bonus in that it upgraded my config from 60mbit down, 3mbit up to 100mbit down 6mbit up even though i wasn't due to be upgraded until 2015!

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

sweet, it makes sense, I imagine they will be wanting to test the shub and see what speeds it can max out at wirelessly

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

No plans to send it back , i will just wait and see what happens. :)

Re: Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?
 

That's my boy!