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What, a busy tunnel in one of the most famous cities in the world?

My main reasons are:

Burnt out, at the bottom of a lake, on a scrap heap - take your pick.

Attention, grudge against the forces etc

Nothing has been covered up.

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I believe that is the point of a conspiracy. the answers to the questions you pose would not be known to the general public. if they were known, it wouldn't be a conspiracy, would it?

although I do not think there is any conspiracy in the death of Diana, let me humour your position, then explain my stance on 'conspiracy theories';

why would anybody want her dead?
Diana did a lot of work in third world countries clearing landmines and helping those less fortunate than ourselves. what if, during her work and investigations, she found out that supplied funding was being used (knowingly by our own government, or the government of another country) for weapons or some other illegal reason. she perhaps planned to tell the world of these findings. someone wanted her hushed and the secrets brushed under the carpet.

What possible cause would it serve?
by not allowing the information into the public domain, the illegal movement of money could continue to serve those who controlled it's movement and use. those in power remain in power. the more power one has, the more power one wants. the same goes for money. people with extraordinary power can go to extraordinary lengths to ensure their place is secure. if it were our own government who had a big secret to hide, imagine the outrage, loss in trust and potential homeland issues such as rioting that might result in such a massive story.

And how could a coverup take place in such a public arena?
by making her death appear as an accident, the general public are far less likely to question the surrounding events. were she to go missing, be shot, suddenly stop being in the public domain and recluse, people would (rightly so) ask questions and demand full answers. that would be a lot harder to convince the public that nothing untoward was going on.

'conspiracy theory' has such negative connotations these days and seems to be nothing more than a synonym for generally accepted mocking and ridicule, in my opinion. if the same behaviours were about another topic, it would be deemed tantamount to bullying. as soon as anyone says anything that poses difficult questions (in terms of being able to answer, or indeed to simply confront emotionally), there is an immediate backlash consisting of attacking, finger pointing and tin hat references. it is good that people ask questions, even if the answers that have already been given are fact. if we never asked more than what we were told, how could we ever grow? if Newton didn't bother to ask more than what science of the time and the Church told him, no one would have ever heard of him.

people need to accept that sometimes we are not told everything about everything. things do happen that we don't know about or for reasons we will never understand, but that does not mean they didn't happen or they don't exist. to never question, but to follow blindly what you are told is detrimental in so many ways, not only to the individual, but to society and potentially, the greater good.

we really need to remove this negative attachment to the phrase 'conspiracy theory'. it does nothing more than dumb down and beat back yourself. it's akin to simply giving up and trusting anything you are told.

in the case of Diana's death, I believe it was nothing more than a tragic accident. all the same, I'm also not closed minded enough to think there is no possible chance of something that I currently do not know about happened that night. keep an open mind. plausible, possible and probable are not the same thing. the same as opinion, belief, truth and fact are not the same thing.

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People admit to things they haven't done all the time. Pretty much any high profile incident will have people going to their local Police office to claim responsibility for a whole variety of reasons.

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Like that worked.

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let me rephrase it then...

to make her death appear as a road traffic accident (or indeed any type of accident), far more people will be far more likely to accept that this was indeed the cause.

for the accident to happen in a foreign country to whomever may have had any underhand involvement, would be a good way to distance themselves and not attract any unwanted attention - all focus on France.

remember, just because I am presenting these view points, it does in no way mean they are the views I hold as my belief. they are not.

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I wouldnt trust or believe a lot of things that the security services or government of the day say after being told, with 185 other people, that something did not happen when it did happen. We were told that if asked, to give a different version of events and also reminded that we were bound by the o.s.a. So it is possible to keep a small to medium group of people quiet.

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I would say money talks and the very real threat of a bullet in the head is quite an incentive

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you best stop talking or we'll have a Blackthorn Down.

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Lol yea I did think that, thats why I was careful not to mention incidents, does anyone know how long you are bound by the osa, is it for life or a certain amount of years.

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i'm not even sure you're allowed to mention that you signed it as it would imply you know something worth keeping quiet...

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I've signed it and I don't know anything interesting ;-)

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It was about 39 years ago, so I doubt what happened would have any bearing nowadays. That's why I was curious as to how long it lasts for.

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:tu::tu::tu::tu::tu::tu:

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I know my security clearances last for 10 years, but don't know if the O.S.A. finishes at the same time or not, tbh.

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The problem with conspiracy theorists is that in a lot of ways, they are actually very closed minded. They will believe any source as long as it's not the authorities. Personally, I know there is a lot that goes on that we are not told about and I suspect that some of the stuff our authorities are involved in is somewhat less than legal. However, unlike most of the conspiracy theorists I know, I am happy to accept that I am not always right.

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all the same, it doesn't excuse the fact there is a lot of otherwise offensive and upsetting posts towards those who dare to air their differing views. how come it seems ok to mock, finger point, name call, 'ganging up' and verbally beat down if it's against someone who's opinion, rightly or wrongly, does not match the mainstream. if people were less aggressive towards those who hold different views, others may find it easier to talk to them. putting them immediately on the defensive will not make people come round to the mainstream way of thinking, it will merely make people put up barriers and try harder not to conform or agree with the abuser's view (and yes, I do believe some people have become victims of abuse in terms of comments aimed at them at times). if some of these posts were against another in a thread about any other topic, I'm sure we would see posts getting removed, mods telling people to calm down or even infractions in some cases.

some examples in this thread alone that I personally feel are designed to mock, belittle, stir or finger-point (directly or otherwise) those who have aired a differing opinion...

i know this may get some people's backs up, and the post may even be edited by a mod / admin, but that only goes to prove my point. and I know those listed above will say "it was only a joke", but to be on the receiving end of those comments will not feel like they are very funny, warranted or necessary jokes.

let me put it this way, if I replaced the word 'conspiracy' with 'religious' from any one of those comments above, or change an event to a religious story and posted it, would that post remain on the thread?

and once again, let me state - I believe Diana died in a tragic car accident. i do not believe there is a conspiracy behind it. however I accept that it is possible something else may have been a factor in her death that I do not know about.

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And it's the difference between probable and possible that some people cannot seem to work out - a lot of things are possible, but not probable.

It's possible that I could sleep with Kylie, just not probable....:D

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agreed....

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and people need to realise that just because some thing is not probable it does not make it impossible

People are posting like they actually know well the only ones who know are the ones who are there. You can all believe what you want to but unless you have first hand experience then you can not possibly know.

The only evidence most have seen on this is what they have read in the press or seen on the news

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Some expert opinion on the latest revelations

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...bodyguard.html

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Possible or impossible.Probable or improbable.

Hmm!

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yes both have totally different meanings. No one can say it is impossible for Diana's death to have been murder but it is correct to say improbable

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:clap:

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The death of Diana and the detention of Glenn Greenwald's partner: conspiracy theorists go into frothing overdrive

Pretty much sums it up.

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Well it makes them feel all important... :D

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I can't find the link right now but alongside the claims the SAS bumped of Diana the soldier also claims they run a contract killing business at Hereford where targets details are put in a box and random soldiers take turns to perform jobs from the box.

The credibility of the source is growing by the second...

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The way I read this was that it was made as a threat to his ex, not exactly damning evidence

J

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Oh for all the tea in china can we let this drop seriously so many idiots hoping for something other then what happened to make their twisted world view seem right. Lets take a couple of things "she was executed on orders" yeah right because a car crash in a tunnel in the capital of a friendly nation is exactly where we would attempt that where medical response couldn't be accurately gauged or level of injury gauranteed not to mention unpredictable numbers for possible witness's or camera's does anyone think that's the level of incompetence our higher level op units work at :rolleyes:. Secondly "they killed her so she wouldn't marry dodi fayed" this one is hilarious it really is the royal family would have been praying for her to marry him it would have been the fastest way to marginilise her and for people to lose interest apart from her diehards.

For any operation to kill someone to get the go ahead there has to be a clear positive in doing it that doesn't exist here and it would not have been done in paris when she handed out so many better locations and means to eliminate her. Enough time has been wasted on this and everyone has better ways to spend time and money right now. Let those who believe whatever conspiracy trundle along and let the real world get going again on pertinent matters that are currently meaningful.

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:nutter:

Dont you just love the tin foil hat brigade

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:clap:

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I'd imagine with the military background of several members of the forum they may at some point have come across legitimate chaps and chapesses from the murkier end of our armed forces.

Does any of whats been reported sound plausible to you?

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Not at all.

I had the fortune to meet some member of the SAS and 14int when i was in NI and i have nothing but respect for them and the professionalism of everything they do.

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I could not think of a better way of doing it. Make it seem so implausible that everyone thinks its impossible to have been done this way

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I met with the SAS a couple of times in Norn Iron and Germany (and was attached to 14 Int on a number of occasions), and the scenario sounds extremely unlikely.

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Hard to argue with that kind of logic....

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Indeed Tin foil hat theory's normally are lost in the logic of those who think there true..

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Conspiracy theories are self perpetuating like that. The fact that they are so hopelessly unlikely is simply taken as proof that the bad guys did a very good job. The total lack of evidence is proof of a cover up. The fact that everyone else thinks the conspiracy theorists are nuts simply makes the conspiracy theorist think he's aware in a sea of the brainwashed. You can't reason with these people so there's no point trying.

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what a remarkable similarity to certain theists .

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I do not think they are true but I am not able to say with 100 % surety that they are not as I was not there I know no one who was and people lie, all the time

Call me an agnostic when it comes to these sort of things I need to see it for myself

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How do you categorise me? and my opinions in this thread?

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Non conforming.... :shrug: :D

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I gave up trying to categorise you ages ago. ;)

In this thread, you seem to take the line that you can't ever categorically know anything unless you were there, which is technically true, however that observation isn't useful in any criminal trial or similar investigation because the investigator or the jury that has to reach a verdict wasn't there.

Instead, over many centuries, we have developed levels of certainty such as "reasonable suspicion", "on the balance of probabilities" and "beyond reasonable doubt". These definitions stick, because in the vast majority of cases they work.

Thus, when someone says it is beyond reasonable doubt that Diana was killed by a drunk driver in an accident prompted by voracious photographers, they mean that the evidence overwhelmingly supports that conclusion, and mountains of prior experience says it is safe to draw such a conclusion based on the type, and quantity of evidence presented.

I suspect you're probably just enjoying the word play and enjoying thinking about the concept of certainty in philosophical terms, while also having a fine old time making people think you believe there was a conspiracy, when I suspect you actually believe it was an accident, the same as most of us here do.

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I am happy staying with technically true :) everything else has the chance no matter how slight to be wrong :)

I do enjoy the word play yes but I do believe what I say I always do.

I have already said I do not believe this however the fact I do not does not mean it did not happen :)

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You had better hope you don't ever end up on jury service then ...

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I will be ok the others are the ones you should worry about lol

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an official verdict still does not mean fact 100% of the time. if there is any room for doubt, we must not dismiss other options - however to progress, we must assume one opinion or another, thus we accept the 'most likely' according to the evidence presented to us. I'm pretty sure that not a single one of us here was in the car Diana was in that night. this means we have gotten the information we are basing our opinion on from the second hand sources we have either been presented, or found ourselves - myself included when I say I believe this was an accident. but that doesn't mean it was an accident.

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In criminal trials, the level of proof is beyond reasonable doubt - that is to say, it is unreasonable to hold the contrary view. You can describe all manner of scenarios, but the fact that you can describe them does not make them plausible, much less does it make them likely.

In an inquest, most verdicts require a lower level of proof, on the balance of probabilities, i.e. it is more likely than not to have happened in a certain way. Unlawful Killing as an inquest verdict, however, requires the higher burden of proof that satisfies the requirement beyond reasonable doubt. This is the verdict reached in Diana's inquest.

In fact, the inquest went even further, reaching a narrative verdict that went on to make findings about how she was unlawfully killed. By definition, this verdict states that it is not reasonable to conclude Diana was killed by any means other than as a result of a road crash caused by alcohol and reckless pursuit.

For the purposes of a debate such as this, it is all well and interesting to point out the possibility that a verdict is wrong. In the real world, we have judicial processes which acknowledge that possibility. But if we acknowledge the possibility, that is an unhelpful observation unless we also acknowledge the likelihood. Conspiracy theories breed in the gap between the possible and the likely, often because the theorist is committing some fairly basic errors in the weighing of evidence.

Diana may have been abducted by aliens and had her body swapped with a clever facsimilie. But it's not likely, if you weigh up the actual evidence in support of the idea. She could have been murdered by sinister State forces. But it's not likely, if you weigh up the actual evidence in support of the idea. The evidence for that particularly persistent conspiracy theory simply doesn't stand up to scrutiny. And that's where you enter tinfoil territory, with the very refutation of the "evidence", such as it is, held up as further evidence of a cover up. At this point, we're not weighing evidence, we're rubbing up against a world view, and there's little point continuing.

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Oh I hope so - if we find out what really happened it might spoil the forthcoming film ;)

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preaching to the converted. i think it was an accident.

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I know. ;)

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I reckon it was aliens

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Yeah, aliens who persuaded her not to wear a seatbelt during a high speed chase...

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Damn persuasive aliens

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Yup, they probably persuaded her to date Dodi too...

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There's no such thing as Aliens.

God wanted her dead. he killed her with his powers.

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It would explain a great many things ;) :)

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Yeah, probably illegal ones.

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Well I know one a few on here will be happy to read this.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ened-case.html

The Daily Fail at it's best!

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The British comics sorry i mean press at there best :LOL:

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Diana was murdered, l will stand by my words. It was NOT a tragic accident. I believe that the stories that are coming out is now showing thr true light of what happened.

Who ever did it, carried it out in the best place to commit a crime - in a tunnel.

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standing by your words doesn't make it true.

I think it was just an accident. In the same way you THINK it wasn't.

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Who do you think ordered it?

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Personally, I believe it was an accident. Think about it. Over the last 15 years or so, regardless of the various authorities that have investigated the incident, probably thousands of journalists (both in this country and others) have investigated the incident. As far as I can tell, NOT ONE has produced any concrete evidence of a murder.

Before you say cover up, I'll just say that in my experience, even the government can't cover things up that thoroughly.

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Yes, but to those that believe in a cover up, lack of evidence is merely evidence of the cover up. You can't argue with the circular logic of conspiracy theorists Stu, it's best not to bother. ;)

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If it was a planned murder, then it wasn't a very good plan. There was 1 survivor and the 3 others would have had a better chance of surviving if they had been wearing seatbelts. All 4 could have survived.

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She wasn't!:rolleyes:

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Why was she murdered ?

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Actually the best place to commit a murder would be in the middle of a third world country or on a boat, all places frequented by Diana, rather than in the middle of a city with hordes of paparazzi all around.

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She knew their secret.

and they didn't approve of her and Dodo.

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probably a silly suggestion but could a mine field be a better place to accidentally murder someone , rather than a busy tunnel with loads of paparazzi and cameras

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:clap:

Arthur i can do you a cheap deal on tin foil :LOL:

Meanwhile back here on planet earth, we have all moved on.

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http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/434...aiming-at-cars

Apparently the fact that SAS snipers occasionally lay on bridges over roads and aim at cars is evidence that they were complicit in the killing of Diana and nothing at all to do with practicing in case they actually do need to stop a car containing terrorists driving at high speed along a motorway.

Either that, or they have the best snipers with the best weaponry in the world and they actually can hit a car in a tunnel in Paris with a bullet shot from Wales.

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Did Diana see one of the shooters?

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No she didn't cos there weren't any. Nor was she murdered.

Sorry but as Sirius says move on...

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Also surely the plan would be to take out the driver, requiring you shoot from the front.

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Hereford's in England ... ;)

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What shooters ??

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No. I visited that tunnel, there is nowhere a 'shooter' could hide that anyone could see from there.

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I don't suppose flash photography popping off from right in front of the car had any effect on the driver...

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That's what 'they' want you to think.

The shooter was camouflaged as a speed-bump.....:shocked:

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Is there any speed bumps in that tunnel, Russ?

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I realise that, but the article says:

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Ah, gotcha ...

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Are we sure that is Diana ,the hair looks a couple of shades too light to me

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It's probably a still from the movie, I think we'd have seen that photo before if it were real

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Judging by his eyes I'd say no

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SSH i was trying to start another conspiracy about her faking her death ;)

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The conspiracy is making up conspiracies...

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Some of you guys dismiss to easily as just a conspiracy. For this to even make the press or be investigated there has to be an element of doubt something a lot refuse to accept

Unless you witnessed the events yourself you can not be 100 % sure

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She is in a tunnel.

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Clearly you've never picked up a copy of the Daily Express.

You can be sure beyond reasonable doubt, which is how our jury system works, and is more than good enough.

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until you are the one serving 5 years for a crime you did not commit

You see I consider the human factor in everything and humans lie and deceive to get their own way so even if a court finds a man guilty sometimes they will be wrong

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In which case you should try to escape to the Los Angeles underground and survive as a soldier of fortune. ;)

True, but I don't see any evidence that you're weighing up the fact that miscarriages of justice occur, against the likelihood of them occurring (or, in this case, an inquest reaching an incorrect verdict).

Just because something can happen, does not mean it will, or that it has, or that it is likely. Therefore, simply stating that something is possible, does not in any way advance the argument that it has occurred.

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But it does show that it might have

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In the same way as pointing out ancient meteorite craters shows that we could all be extinct tomorrow morning. However, without a discussion of the likelihood of a fresh impact occurring, the observation of past impacts is pretty useless.

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well I can not find any relevance in that and me saying or implying Diana might have been murdered and pointing out humans lie and cheat

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No, it's a very fast underpass.

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Are you saying it was mercenaries that done it now

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Darn it, that rules out the speed hump disguise then, back to the drawing board

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Especially for Arthur

http://news.sky.com/story/1183222/di...e-sas-involved

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Well, they would say that. wouldn't they.

we'll just have to wait a few years.

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All part of the conspiracy...

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Phil did it, Charles did it, the Paparazzi did it, MI5 did it, MI6 did it. I think everyone associated with the Royal Family has been s suspect.