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thenry 22-05-2013 22:43
re: Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich
 
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EDL outraged at attack on British Troop.

*few hours later*

EDL attack British Police.


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Mum talked down Woolwich terrorists who told her: 'We want to start a war in London tonight'

Exclusive: A cub scout leader confronted terrorists just seconds after they had beheaded a soldier asking them to hand over their weapons and warning them: "It is only you versus many people, you are going to lose."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...n-tonight.html


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some people might want to re-read the posts here http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...ors-fight.html

spreadsheet 22-05-2013 23:01
re: Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich
 
head shot - like the Israeilis do with the suicide bombers (odious regime that they are) - its violence begets violence

I'll put my money on that black mouthy bloke being into the thoughts of marcus garvey etc - as your afro carribean is more susceptible to mental illness statistaclly


paranoid nutter - history of substance abuse - no proper family structure


its text book stuff

nomadking 22-05-2013 23:28
re: Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich
 
The violence begets violence idea only really holds up, if regardless of which side gives up violence the other will always continue. Israel has no desire to be aggressive. If people would stop attacking them, they would be happy with that and be completely peaceful. It is a case of self-defence and saying we're not letting you get away with attacking us. If Israel didn't retaliate, the attacks against them would continue and might intensify to provoke a response.

SMG 23-05-2013 00:54
re: Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich
 
Well, London has its Islamic Idiot brigade out on the streets "Policing" & promoting their Islamic beliefs, then an Islamic religious murderer hacks another man to death in broad daylight, in the middle of the street, somethings got to give. I am not a racist, but I am totally against these Radicals, & I must admit my patience is wearing very thin, I know many many others feel the same way.

Not every Muslim is a terrorist or radical, but it appears every radical terrorist is Muslim. The Muslim community needs to act, & ask itself if it needs or wants this faction in its ranks, if not, do something about it. Home bred terrorism is treason, I`m afraid had I been one of the policemen, I would have killed these animals & probably been prosecuted, probably why I would never have made a good policeman. I know as a Soldier, I would have killed them.

This young lad could have been one of our sons, brothers, grand sons, & my heart goes out to his family. R.I.P. lad.

truthspeaker 23-05-2013 04:08
re: Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich
 
"A believer continues to guard his Faith (and thus hopes for Allah's Mercy) so long as he does not shed blood unjustly".

Messenger of Allah (SAW) said, "I warn you of extremism in the Religion for indeed those that came before you were destroyed due to their extremism in the religion."

Allah is not kind to him who is not kind to people

Those who are kind and considerate to Allah's creatures, Allah bestows His kindness and affection on them. Show kindness to the creatures on the earth so that Allah may be kind to you

"If anyone slew an innocent person it would be as if he slew the whole mankind and if anyone saved a life it would be as if he saved the life of the whole mankind"
[Al-Qur’an 5:32]

"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not do aggression, for Allah loves not the aggressors. Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors. And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship (Makkah) until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. But if they desist, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers." (Al-Baqarah 190-194)

What happened in Woolwich today is completely and utterly disgusting and someone who claims to be a Muslim wouldn't dream about carrying out such act. Islam means peace and life is sacred in Islam, these cowards are nothing but a stain on society.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrq_0qWGLJQ

PurpleInfi 23-05-2013 04:50
re: Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich
 
Personally I think crimes like this justify the death penalty being brought back. What those vile men have done is an attack on this very country.

Heart goes out to the family.

Derek 23-05-2013 05:48
re: Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich
 
It's now confirmed that the victim was a serving soldier. :(

R.I.P.

denphone 23-05-2013 10:15
re: Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich
 
Woolwich Terror Murder Suspect Named.

http://news.sky.com/story/1094560/wo...-suspect-named

Russ 23-05-2013 10:24
Re: Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich
 
In....credible....

https://twitter.com/Campaignmag/stat...592704/photo/1

Damien 23-05-2013 10:27
Re: Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich
 
Personally I am sick of the EDF too.

Actually at least one of those responses was to a Twitter user who has making a joke.

tizmeinnit 23-05-2013 10:30
Re: Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich
 
What I find staggering is the fact a hacked to death body is thrown into the road and the killers are their tooled up and there is still a crowd watching

Damien 23-05-2013 10:38
Re: Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich
 
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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35574859)
What I find staggering is the fact a hacked to death body is thrown into the road and the killers are their tooled up and there is still a crowd watching
It's actually the most bizarre thing about this. Everyone is just standing around, a few people are talking to the killers, a woman walks by them with a shopping bag. There is this weird calmness, and astonishing lack of fear, in the aftermath of a savage and brutal murder.

danielf 23-05-2013 10:53
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The whole thing is just so utterly bizarre. There's no telling how anyone would react, as no-one has ever experienced anything remotely like it.

Damien 23-05-2013 10:56
Re: Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich
 
Even the guy on film as talking quite calmly about what he did....

danielf 23-05-2013 10:59
Re: Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich
 
I've not watched any of the video footage. Not sure if I want to :(

denphone 23-05-2013 11:02
Re: Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich
 
l saw enough last night and it was sickening to the stomach.

Gary L 23-05-2013 11:08
Re: Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich
 
They showed his face at the start. then on the news was a 'terrorist' expert who said that they shouldn't be showing his face as it will make him a hero or whatever.

then they started blurring his face out. then they're back to showing his face.

Islam extremists need shooting by the police. not wounded and taken to hospital.

I know it sounds silly. but if the UK were armed. I wonder how many bullet holes would be in the 2 dead Muslim bodies?

Russ 23-05-2013 11:42
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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35574869)

Islam extremists need shooting by the police. not wounded and taken to hospital.
They were shot by police...

Gary L 23-05-2013 11:43
Re: Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich
 
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35574876)
They were shot by police...
Yeh. but they're still breathing.

thenry 23-05-2013 11:59
Re: Solider murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich
 
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Originally Posted by umbrokhan786 (Post 35574798)
"A believer continues to guard his Faith (and thus hopes for Allah's Mercy) so long as he does not shed blood unjustly".
source? is it from the Quran? if so could I have the verse number?

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Originally Posted by umbrokhan786 (Post 35574798)
Messenger of Allah (SAW) said, "I warn you of extremism in the Religion for indeed those that came before you were destroyed due to their extremism in the religion."
again source? is it from the Quran? if so could I have the verse number?

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Originally Posted by umbrokhan786 (Post 35574798)
Allah is not kind to him who is not kind to people

Those who are kind and considerate to Allah's creatures, Allah bestows His kindness and affection on them. Show kindness to the creatures on the earth so that Allah may be kind to you
again source? is it from the Quran? if so could I have the verse number?

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Originally Posted by umbrokhan786 (Post 35574798)
"If anyone slew an innocent person it would be as if he slew the whole mankind and if anyone saved a life it would be as if he saved the life of the whole mankind"
[Al-Qur’an 5:32]
5:32 from the Quran I have stamped by Saudi Arabia is as follows word for word

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32. Because of that, we ordained for the Chidlren of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits, (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allah by committing the major sins) in the land![1]
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[1] (V.5:32) Narrated Anas bin Malik: The Prophet said: "The biggest of Al-Kaba'ir (the greatest sins) are: (1) To join others as partners in worship with Allah, (2) to murder a human being, (3) to be undutiful to one's parents (4) and to make a false statement," or said, "to give a false witness." (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol 9, Hadith No.10).


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Originally Posted by umbrokhan786 (Post 35574798)
"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not do aggression, for Allah loves not the aggressors. Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors. And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship (Makkah) until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. But if they desist, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers." (Al-Baqarah 190-194)
2:190-194

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190. And fight in the Way of Allah[1] those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors. [This Verse is the first one that was revealed in connection with Jihad, but it was supplemented by another (9:36].
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[1] (V. 2.190) Al-Jihad (holy fighting) in Allah's Cause (with full force of numbers and weaponry) is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars (on which it stands). By Jihad Islam is established, Allah's Word is made superior, (His Word being La ilaha illallah which means none has the right to be worshipped but Allah), and His Religion (Islam) is propagated. By abandoning Jihad (may Allah protect us from that) Islam is destroyed and the Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honour is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory dity in Islam on every Muslim, and he who tries to escape from this duty, or does not in his innermost heart wish to fulfil this duty, dies with one of the qualities of a hypocrite.
Narrated 'Abdullah bin Mad'ud: I asked Allah's Messenger, "O Allah's Messenger! What is the best deed? He replied, "To offer the Salat (prayers) at their early fixed stated times." I asked, "What is next in goodness?" He replied, "To participate in Jihad in Allah's Cause." I did not ask Allah's Messenger anymore and if I had asked him more, He would have told me more. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.4, Hadith No.41).
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191. And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah[2] is worse than killing. Andfight not with them at Al-Masjid-Al-Haram (the sanctuary at Makkah)[3], unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.
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[2] (V. 2:191) Al-Fitnah: polytheism, to disbelieve after one has believed in Allah, or a trial or a calamity or an affliction.
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[3] (V. 2:191) Narrated Abu-Bakrah: The Prophet delivered us a Khutbah (religious talk) on the day of Nahr (10th of Dhul Hijjah).He said, "Do you know what is the day today?" We said, "Allah and his Messenger know better." He remained silent till we thought that he might give that day another name. He said, "Isn't it the day of Nahr? We said, "It is." He further asked, "Which month is this?" We said, "Allah and His Messenger know better." He remained silent till we thought that he might give it another name. He then said, "Isn't it the month of Dhul-Hijjah?" We replied: "Yes, it is." He furthrer asked, "What town is this?" We replied, "Allah and his Messenger know it better." He remained silent till we thought that he might give it another name. He then said, "Isn't it the forbidden (sacred) town (of Makkah)?" We said, "Yes, it is." He said, "No doubt, your blood and your properties are sacred to one another like the sanctity of this day of yours, in this month of yours, in this town of yours, till the day you meet your Lord. No doubt! Haven't I conveyed Allah's Message to you? We said, "Yes." He said, "O Allah! Be witness. So it is incumbent upon those who are present to convey it (this information) to those who are absent because the informed one might comprehend it (what I have said) better than the present audience, who will convey it to him. Beware! Do not renegade (as) disbelievers after me by striking thenecks (cutting the throats) of one another." (Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol.2, Hadith No.797)
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192. But if they cease, then Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
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193: And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (Alone)[1]. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimum (the polytheists, and wrong-doers)
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[1] (V. 2:193) (A) Narrated Ibn Umar: Allah's Messenger said, "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people till they testify that La ilaha illallah wa Anna Muhammmad-ur-Rasul Allah (none has the right to be worshipped but Allahand that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah), and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat) and give Zakat, so if they perform all that, then they save their lives, and properties from me except for Islamic Laws, and their reckoning (accounts) will be with (done by) Allah" (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.1, Hadith No.24)
(B) See (V8:39) and its footnote
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194. The sacred month is for the sacred month, and for the prohibited things, there is the Law of Qaulity (Qisas). The whoever transgresses the prohibitions against you, you transgress likewise against him. And fear Muttaqun (the pious - See V.2:2).


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Originally Posted by umbrokhan786 (Post 35574798)
What happened in Woolwich today is completely and utterly disgusting and someone who claims to be a Muslim wouldn't dream about carrying out such act. Islam means peace and life is sacred in Islam, these cowards are nothing but a stain on society.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrq_0qWGLJQ
I can pick a lot of holes in the above. I'm not in any way provoking a MuslimvEveryoneElse fight here but I am putting forward facts. One of which is stop hiding and face the problem head on. People say Islam is peace and all but you read what I've just typed out, the quotes from the written Quran I have from Saudi Arabia and wonder why many say its not! Try to explain to me how peaceful it is when a person is told to attack a non believer? Read the above and ask yourself why these men said what they said, eye for eye etc.

I will look up any Quran quotes any person on here posts for verification and clarification.

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35574869)
They showed his face at the start. then on the news was a 'terrorist' expert who said that they shouldn't be showing his face as it will make him a hero or whatever.

then they started blurring his face out. then they're back to showing his face.

Islam extremists need shooting by the police. not wounded and taken to hospital.

I know it sounds silly. but if the UK were armed. I wonder how many bullet holes would be in the 2 dead Muslim bodies?
ye it is silly. I dont want to carry round a gun thanks very much.

Gary L 23-05-2013 12:04
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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35574879)
ye it is silly. I dont want to carry round a gun thanks very much. Id much rather armed response responded swiftly.
Not even a gun that only shoots Islamic nutters?

are they still suspects. or has it been confirmed yet that they killed the soldier?

Boris just said something about it would be silly to connect this event to the religion of Islam.

Damien 23-05-2013 12:11
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Let's keep it civil

Stuart 23-05-2013 12:26
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35574762)
Would not surprise me if its the locals getting annoyed because the police shot the nutters. Followed by looting of high cost electrical stores
This is Woolwich.. The nearest they have to a high cost electrical store is a branch of Computer Exchange.

thenry 23-05-2013 12:26
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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35574882)
Not even a gun that only shoots Islamic nutters?

are they still suspects. or has it been confirmed yet that they killed the soldier?

Boris just said something about it would be silly to connect this event to the religion of Islam.
are you being serious because this is serious?!

Boris and all the other seniors are trying to keep things calm. bandwagons can start rolling so so quickly. thats not needed 'naaaa'mean'! that said theres no hiding away from the truth that Islam is promoting extremism, read the Quran.

Uncle Peter 23-05-2013 12:33
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R.I.P.

And I feel sorry for the medical staff who are having to keep the rats that did this alive.

Gary L 23-05-2013 12:35
Re: Solider murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich
 
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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35574889)
are you being serious because this is serious event?!
Yes.

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Boris and all the other seniors are trying to keep things calm. bandwagons can start rolling so so quickly. thats not needed 'naaaa'mean'! that said theres no hiding away from the truth that Islam is promoting extremism, read the Quran.
Keeping things calm with who?
they have anti terrorist cars scattered around the city everyday. and their locations are mostly determined by information and where they suspect they may be needed.
they know the Islamic extremists here want to harm/terrorise/kill us. and depending on if they can be bothered to do it today or tomorrow.
the government and the police know that they will do it.

but still keep refusing to make a link with an Islamic extremists actions in the name of Islam, by way of a filmed confession. and pretend it's not happening.

we're back to pretending we don't know someone is behind us. when the crowd is shouting behind you!

Zee 23-05-2013 12:38
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why is this on the news as a "terrorist" attack? because apparently they are Muslim so a murder turns into a terrorist attack? someone was murdered...

Russ 23-05-2013 12:39
Re: Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich
 
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Originally Posted by Zee (Post 35574896)
why is this on the news as a "terrorist" attack? because apparently they are Muslim so a murder turns into a terrorist attack? someone was murdered...
Have you not listened to what the idiot says?

Damien 23-05-2013 12:41
Re: Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich
 
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Originally Posted by Zee (Post 35574896)
why is this on the news as a "terrorist" attack? because apparently they are Muslim so a murder turns into a terrorist attack? someone was murdered...
Because it seems to have been motivated by a political/religious cause rather than personal animosity towards the victim. They also wanted people to film it and gave a speech to the camera about 'muslim lands' and Shia Law etc.

danielf 23-05-2013 12:41
Re: Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich
 
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Originally Posted by Zee (Post 35574896)
why is this on the news as a "terrorist" attack? because apparently they are Muslim so a murder turns into a terrorist attack? someone was murdered...
It's not as if they were after the man's wallet, is it?

TheDaddy 23-05-2013 12:45
Re: Solider murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich
 
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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35574892)
Yes.



Keeping things calm with who?
they have anti terrorist cars scattered around the city everyday. and their locations are mostly determined by information and where they suspect they may be needed.
they know the Islamic extremists here want to harm/terrorise/kill us. and depending on if they can be bothered to do it today or tomorrow.
the government and the police know that they will do it.

but still keep refusing to make a link with an Islamic extremists actions in the name of Islam, by way of a filmed confession. and pretend it's not happening.

we're back to pretending we don't know someone is behind us. when the crowd is shouting behind you!
I sort of agree, there's people out there capable of this and worse and we can't even kick out most of them or the rabble rouses the indoctrinate them in the first place because of their rights, what about the right not to have your head cut of or doesn't that count.

A fine example of the sort of the excrement and flotsam we can't eject

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...illing-1895673

Zee 23-05-2013 12:47
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no, those guys were simply messed up psychotic people. you don't behead someone here unless you're a complete wack job

Damien 23-05-2013 12:49
Re: Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich
 
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Originally Posted by Zee (Post 35574903)
no, those guys were simply messed up psychotic people. you don't behead someone here unless you're a complete wack job
They were but they wanted to inspire terror for a religious/political aim. It's the definition of terrorism.

Russ 23-05-2013 12:53
Re: Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich
 
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Originally Posted by Zee (Post 35574903)
no, those guys were simply messed up psychotic people. you don't behead someone here unless you're a complete wack job
For this to have been what you'd consider an act of terrorism what more should they have done?

TheDaddy 23-05-2013 12:55
Re: Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich
 
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35574906)
For this to have been what you'd consider an act of terrorism what more should they have done?
Not have been Muslim ;)

nomadking 23-05-2013 12:57
Re: Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich
 
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Originally Posted by Zee (Post 35574903)
no, those guys were simply messed up psychotic people. you don't behead someone here unless you're a complete wack job
Well there must be a lot of 'complete wack jobs' out there
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Islamists have threatened a number of times to behead a British soldier in retaliation for involvement in wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Six years ago a group of British Pakistanis based in Birmingham were convicted of plotting such an attack and their leader, Parviz Khan, received a life sentence.
Khan admitted planning to lure a soldier off the streets then film the beheading.
FIVE people were convicted of that plot. Two nutters just randomly happening to get together is one thing, but five.

Zee 23-05-2013 13:07
Re: Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich
 
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35574908)
Not have been Muslim ;)
this isn't a joke thing

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Woolwich attack: first-person account

http://news.uk.msn.com/guardian/wool...rson-account-1

Gary L 23-05-2013 13:18
Re: Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich
 
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Originally Posted by Zee (Post 35574913)
Woolwich attack: first-person account

http://news.uk.msn.com/guardian/wool...rson-account-1
Seriously, reading that and hearing how calm she was supposed to have been. you just get the feeling that she was a nun?

it really is weird. the way it comes across that she prevented something?

"I went to speak to the other man who was quieter and more shy. I asked him if he wanted to give me what he was holding in his hand, which was a knife but I didn't want to say that. He didn't agree and I asked him: 'Do you want to carry on?' He said: 'No, no, no.' I didn't want to upset him and then the other man came back to me. I asked him what he wanted to do next."

it sounds so unreal.

Sirius 23-05-2013 14:08
Re: Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich
 
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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35574808)
It's now confirmed that the victim was a serving soldier. :(

R.I.P.
What a why to die :(. My thoughts are with his family at this time and may he RIP.

TheDaddy 23-05-2013 14:14
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Originally Posted by Zee (Post 35574913)
this isn't a joke thing[COLOR="Silver"]


http://news.uk.msn.com/guardian/wool...rson-account-1
Thanks for pointing that out, after your previous posts I wasn't sure.

Russ 23-05-2013 14:31
Re: Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich
 
The nutters didn't take long....

http://truthfrequencyradio.com/exclu...oax-confirmed/

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And who in their right mind wants to be seen on as many cameras as possible after committing a horrific murder?
Yes cos someone who had just hacked a guy to death is going to be in their "right mind"....

devilincarnate 23-05-2013 14:35
Re: Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich
 
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35574939)
What a why to die .
I know this may sound bad but in no way it is meant to. I do hope that he died when then car hit him, so that he did not have to go though what happened next:(

Thoughts are with the family, friends, and his fellow squaddies as well

Derek 23-05-2013 14:39
Re: Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich
 
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35574945)
The tin foil hat brigade normally claim the terrorists were set up, conveniently getting blown to bits stops them telling who gave them rucksacks full of explosives and subway tickets :rolleyes:

I wonder what they will say this time?

Oh and there will be blood spatter, it just might not be noticeable against the dark skin and clothing. If he was wearing white it would've been immediately apparent.

As for the people walking past, the human mind has an amazing ability to blank out things your mind tells you shouldn't be there. The interview from the woman who approached them says things that aren't true going by the video evidence even though she was right there and spoke to the killers.

thenry 23-05-2013 14:47
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the twitter guy I quoted yesterday has tweeted again.. no translation needed this time

https://twitter.com/BOYADEE

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Thanks for all the kind messages. What I saw yesterday was horrific & my subsequent tweets said it all.
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I hope that one day we can all learn to purely co-exist
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Apologies to all the news reporters i ignored (including you Jon Snow) but I really do not have anything else to say on the matter.
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Since the incident occurred, I've been offered up to £75k from media outlets for my story. I've turned them all down.
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Thanks to The Hub for letting them know.
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This story is not about ME And doesn't need to be sensationalised anymore by me selling my story for a few bucks.
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For those that don't know - I am a musician and filmmaker. Once this has all quelled I'll keep you updated with my latest releases.
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Finally, all u folk who gave out my number for a few hundred quid have officially been taken off my christmas card list! Boya D
well done

Russ 23-05-2013 14:51
Re: Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich
 
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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35574948)
The tin foil hat brigade normally claim the terrorists were set up, conveniently getting blown to bits stops them telling who gave them rucksacks full of explosives and subway tickets :rolleyes:

I wonder what they will say this time?
He's an actor. And MI5 will pay him off with a house in the Bahamas and £2m in the bank.

danielf 23-05-2013 15:01
Re: Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich
 
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Originally Posted by Zee (Post 35574903)
no, those guys were simply messed up psychotic people. you don't behead someone here unless you're a complete wack job
Whack jobs yes. Psychotic I might believe if is was just an individual. Two guys working together: doubtful.

martyh 23-05-2013 15:12
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I believe that this is what the likes of Quatada want and encourage .One of the murderers was raised by a devout Christian family and for some reason he has converted to Islam and become a radical .I firmly believe he has been influenced by the very same radical Islamists that we find so hard to get out of the country.Quatada will be laughing his socks off in jail

devilincarnate 23-05-2013 15:22
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My Nephew is fuming as they are now not aloud to leave camp now in uniform or anything Military, As he says why are they the ones hiding.?

martyh 23-05-2013 15:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35574967)
My Nephew is fuming as they are now not aloud to leave camp now in uniform or anything Military, As he says why are they the ones hiding.?
Shades of N Ireland .The same rules applied to my brother ,same problem different enemy

Gary L 23-05-2013 15:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35574967)
My Nephew is fuming as they are now not aloud to leave camp now in uniform or anything Military, As he says why are they the ones hiding.?
How long are they likely to keep that up for?

are we supposed to wait till a few radical muslims have cooled down and changed their mind or something?

one minute it's carry on as you were, and don't let them see that you're inconvenienced.
the next it's as above, but try not to offend them.

Damien 23-05-2013 15:54
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I thought they rescinded the order not to leave camp in uniform this morning.

Derek 23-05-2013 15:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35574954)
He's an actor. And MI5 will pay him off with a house in the Bahamas and £2m in the bank.
Presumably they'll fly him back every so often to show face round courts and prisons to show he is still alive.

Damien 23-05-2013 16:09
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The soldier has been named as 25 year old Lee Rigby. He had a 2 year old son named Jack.

danielf 23-05-2013 16:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35574976)
He had a 2 year old son named Jack.
:(

Jimmy-J 23-05-2013 16:17
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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2013/05/16.jpg

Quote:
Ministry of Defence says the soldier killed on Wednesday was Drummer Lee Rigby, of 2nd Battalion The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers (attached to the Regimental Recruiting Team in London).

Hugh 23-05-2013 16:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35574972)
How long are they likely to keep that up for?

are we supposed to wait till a few radical muslims have cooled down and changed their mind or something?

one minute it's carry on as you were, and don't let them see that you're inconvenienced.
the next it's as above, but try not to offend them.
it's not about not offending anyone, Gary, it's about not being seen as a target by a nutter.

But you probably knew that.

martyh 23-05-2013 16:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35574976)
The soldier has been named as 25 year old Lee Rigby. He had a 2 year old son named Jack.
That is so sad :(

Gary L 23-05-2013 16:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35575002)
it's not about not offending anyone, Gary, it's about not being seen as a target by a nutter.
It's both.

it's soldiers having to be discrete because there's a high risk that it may happen again.

they're not targets for wearing a uniform. they're targets for being a soldier and what they stand for.

thenry 23-05-2013 17:03
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RIP

denphone 23-05-2013 17:43
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Two further arrests in connection with soldier's murder in Woolwich yesterday.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/401...wich-yesterday

Quote:
Police have arrested a man and woman, both aged 29, in south London on suspicion of conspiracy to commit murder.

Gary L 23-05-2013 17:50
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Why is Dave taking the opportunity to praise that woman who spoke with the killers?

I'll tell you why. it's so he can say say she told them that it's you against many, and you'll lose.

and Boris said that the public are safe to walk the streets.

that's what the dead soldier thought too.

Sirius 23-05-2013 17:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35575031)
Two further arrests in connection with soldier's murder in Woolwich yesterday.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/401...wich-yesterday
So contrary to some posted assertions from last night on this forum that this was someone who had just committed a murder, it now seems to me that this was planned before hand and that means it was premeditated. :mad:

Damien 23-05-2013 17:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35575033)
Why is Dave taking the opportunity to praise that woman who spoke with the killers?

I'll tell you why. it's so he can say say she told them that it's you against many, and you'll lose.

and Boris said that the public are safe to walk the streets.

that's what the dead soldier thought too.
What is your point? The soldier and the woman are both impressive people who deserve our respect.

Gary L 23-05-2013 17:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35575034)
So contrary to some posted assertions from last night on this forum that this was someone who had just committed a murder, it now seems to me that this was planned before hand and that means it was premeditated. :mad:
Quote:
Terror experts said the kidnapping in Britain of a serving soldier, filming his ritual beheading and posting it on the internet has long been an “aspiration” of British-based Al Qaeda-inspired jihadists.

Sirius 23-05-2013 18:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35575035)
What is your point? The soldier and the woman are both impressive people who deserve our respect.
GaryL thinks everything Dave says is related to some sort of conspiracy theory :)

Gary L 23-05-2013 18:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35575035)
What is your point? The soldier and the woman are both impressive people who deserve our respect.
I can see why some people may think the woman was impressive. and I can see why the rest will think she was an idiot.

she didn't know what had gone on. she thought it was a road accident.

she may have been killed from her 'stupidity' too.

Sirius 23-05-2013 18:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35575038)
I can see why some people may think the woman was impressive. and I can see why the rest will think she was an idiot.

she didn't know what had gone on. she thought it was a road accident.

she may have been killed from her 'stupidity' too.
But at least she showed SUPPORT, something missing from some in this thread.

Damien 23-05-2013 18:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35575040)
But at least she showed SUPPORT, something missing from some in this thread.
Who isn't showing support?

danielf 23-05-2013 18:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35575034)
So contrary to some posted assertions from last night on this forum that this was someone who had just committed a murder, it now seems to me that this was planned before hand and that means it was premeditated. :mad:
Of course it was premeditated. People don't generally just find themselves out and about carrying knives and meat cleavers.

Sirius 23-05-2013 18:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35575041)
Who isn't showing support?
Its the way some are that woman and the prime minister , IE why has Dave done this and why did She do that. I find it good that someone would stick up for a fellow human being in a situation like this and the fact that the Prime Minister acknowledge that fact is gratifying as well. Some of us see the good in it instead trying to portray the negative all the time.

Gary L 23-05-2013 18:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35575040)
But at least she showed SUPPORT, something missing from some in this thread.
Eh?

Sirius 23-05-2013 18:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35575042)
Of course it was premeditated. People don't generally just find themselves out and about carrying knives and meat cleavers.
I agree and i hope when they get to sentencing them that they deal with it on that bases otherwise they may get a shorter sentence.

Gary L 23-05-2013 18:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35575044)
Its the way some are that woman and the prime minister , IE why has Dave done this and why did She do that. I find it good that someone would stick up for a fellow human being in a situation like this and the fact that the Prime Minister acknowledge that fact is gratifying as well. Some of us see the good in it instead trying to portray the negative all the time.
You're just saying that now.
you actually meant nobody is showing support for the soldier :)

Sirius 23-05-2013 18:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35575045)
Eh?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35575038)
I can see why some people may think the woman was impressive. and I can see why the rest will think she was an idiot.

she didn't know what had gone on. she thought it was a road accident.

she may have been killed from her 'stupidity' too.
My point is you always tend to see the negative in any thing. I see the good she tried to do.

danielf 23-05-2013 18:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35575046)
I agree and i hope when they get to sentencing them that they deal with it on that bases otherwise they may get a shorter sentence.
I expect that these two will spend the rest of their natural life in jail (assuming they are judged to be of sound mind).

Gary L 23-05-2013 18:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35575048)
My point is you always tend to see the negative in any thing. I see the good she tried to do.
If my daughter ran into the road to fetch her mates ball and never got hit. I'd be negative in the way I tell her off too.
even though I can see the good she tried to do.

thenry 23-05-2013 18:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35575049)
I expect that these two will spend the rest of their natural life in jail (assuming they are judged to be of sound mind).
oh great cop the insanity plea

danielf 23-05-2013 18:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35575054)
oh great cop the insanity plea
I would expect a psychological evaluation of the 'suspects' to be standard procedure in an investigation of this sort.

Gary L 23-05-2013 18:21
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I was reading a comment from that link and it made me think.

what has, or is, our government doing to protect us?

it just seems that they just hope nothing happens, and if it does they'll deal with the after event and tell us to get on back to our lives as normal.

until the next time.

Damien 23-05-2013 18:25
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Insanity plea also means they would be unlikely to leave prison.

tizmeinnit 23-05-2013 18:25
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I am amazed at how many heroes all over the net have expressed the fact they would have jumped in and battered these psychos

thenry 23-05-2013 18:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35575056)
I was reading a comment from that link and it made me think.

what has, or is, our government doing to protect us?

it just seems that they just hope nothing happens, and if it does they'll deal with the after event and tell us to get on back to our lives as normal.

until the next time.
please stop talking, posting. go take a nap.

Damien 23-05-2013 18:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35575057)
I am amazed at how many heroes all over the net have expressed the fact they would have jumped in and battered these psychos
So many are brave until they have to prove it. I wonder how many people would have gone to the killers like this woman did and the two other women who went to protect the body and speak to the killers too. I would probably be very far away hiding behind a bin.

Gary L 23-05-2013 18:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35575058)
please stop talking, posting. go take a nap.
I'm not sleepy. and it's still light outside.

I think some action needs to be taken behind the scenes. because I think there's more to come from this event.
we can't keep saying that justice will be done and we'll carry on until something happens.

thenry 23-05-2013 18:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35575055)
I would expect a psychological evaluation of the 'suspects' to be standard procedure in an investigation of this sort.
what if they come back to reality then go insane to avoid facing reality?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35575059)
Insanity plea also means they would be unlikely to leave prison.
prison or padded room?

danielf 23-05-2013 18:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35575063)
what if they come back to reality then go insane to avoid facing reality?

prison or padded room?
I don't think it's so easy to feign insanity. Either way, as Damien says: the alternative will still be incarceration.

martyh 23-05-2013 18:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35575038)
I can see why some people may think the woman was impressive. and I can see why the rest will think she was an idiot.

she didn't know what had gone on. she thought it was a road accident.

she may have been killed from her 'stupidity' too.
You may think she was stupid but i see her as a very brave lady

She saw him with blood all over himself,holding a cleaver and a gun ,he may well have continued hacking away at someone else to get more attention had she not spoken to him ,if a man had gone to him to try to get the weapons off him then we may well be reading about 2 murders ,some women have a natural gift for defusing tense and violent situations by simply staying calm themselves ,had a man confronted them it would be confrontational which just exacerbates situations like these

martyh 23-05-2013 18:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35575056)
I was reading a comment from that link and it made me think.

what has, or is, our government doing to protect us?

it just seems that they just hope nothing happens, and if it does they'll deal with the after event and tell us to get on back to our lives as normal.

until the next time.
What would you expect the government to do about these type of people who are prepared to give their own lives in pursuit of martyrdom

thenry 23-05-2013 18:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35575062)
I'm not sleepy. and it's still light outside.

I think some action needs to be taken behind the scenes. because I think there's more to come from this event.
we can't keep saying that justice will be done and we'll carry on until something happens.
We understand that, its the way your coming across the doesnt sit well. have faith and push for change. not to the extremes as well like the nut jobs EDL BNP, more so sensible change. human beings, thats what we are.

Gary L 23-05-2013 18:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35575067)
You may think she was stupid but i see her as a very brave lady

She saw him with blood all over himself,holding a cleaver and a gun ,he may well have continued hacking away at someone else to get more attention had she not spoken to him ,if a man had gone to him to try to get the weapons off him then we may well be reading about 2 murders ,some women have a natural gift for defusing tense and violent situations by simply staying calm themselves ,had a man confronted them it would be confrontational which just exacerbates situations like these
I actually believe they had no intention of hurting any members of the public. granted if it was a man or even a woman that confronted them, then he may have attacked them too.

I'm actually more peeved that Dave was using this as one of them stupid idle threats to the watching British extremists.

---------- Post added at 19:45 ---------- Previous post was at 19:43 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35575069)
What would you expect the government to do about these type of people who are prepared to give their own lives in pursuit of martyrdom
The ones that they know about that might do it today, tomorrow, or when they can be bothered?

thenry 23-05-2013 18:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35575066)
I don't think it's so easy to feign insanity. Either way, as Damien says: the alternative will still be incarceration.
anythings possible

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-8568974.html

Gary L 23-05-2013 18:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35575068)
We understand that, its the way your coming across the doesnt sit well.
Oh. sorry.
shall I put a few LOLs in so I sound happy?

Quote:
have faith and push for change. not to the extremes as well like the nut jobs EDL BNP, more so sensible change. human beings, thats what we are.
Well said.
what we pushing to have changed then?

martyh 23-05-2013 18:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35575071)
I actually believe they had no intention of hurting any members of the public. granted if it was a man or even a woman that confronted them, then he may have attacked them too.

I'm actually more peeved that Dave was using this as one of them stupid idle threats to the watching British extremists.

Why is it a "stupid idle threat" ? Our intelligence services have been extremely successful in combating terror threats over the last few years ,not one up to now and since 7/7 has come to fruition and a large number of would be terrorists are in jail .

---------- Post added at 19:52 ---------- Previous post was at 19:49 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35575071)
I actually believe they had no intention of hurting any members of the public. granted if it was a man or even a woman that confronted them, then he may have attacked them too.

I'm actually more peeved that Dave was using this as one of them stupid idle threats to the watching British extremists.

---------- Post added at 19:45 ---------- Previous post was at 19:43 ----------



The ones that they know about that might do it today, tomorrow, or when they can be bothered?
see above ,they seem to be doing quite a good job of preventing those who might do it today, tomorrow, or when they can be bothered

devilincarnate 23-05-2013 18:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35575067)
You may think she was stupid but i see her as a very brave lady

She saw him with blood all over himself,holding a cleaver and a gun ,he may well have continued hacking away at someone else to get more attention had she not spoken to him ,if a man had gone to him to try to get the weapons off him then we may well be reading about 2 murders ,some women have a natural gift for defusing tense and violent situations by simply staying calm themselves ,had a man confronted them it would be confrontational which just exacerbates situations like these
Very true that is why I never argue with our lass

Gary L 23-05-2013 18:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35575077)
Why is it a "stupid idle threat" ? Our intelligence services have been extremely successful in combating terror threats over the last few years ,not one up to now and since 7/7 has come to fruition and a large number of would be terrorists are in jail .
The thing about most of them is that they were either born in this country. and fighting for another country. or they fled from a country to come and live here. and fight for the country they fled.

the point being that there's many of them. who the 'authorities' know are a threat. a ticking time bomb. but the British way is that unless they get caught in the act. then they are left ticking away.

devilincarnate 23-05-2013 18:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35574973)
I thought they rescinded the order not to leave camp in uniform this morning.
No idea as he is over in Kent at the moment so if they know something that we do not?

Gary L 23-05-2013 18:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35575077)
see above ,they seem to be doing quite a good job of preventing those who might do it today, tomorrow, or when they can be bothered
They failed yesterday.

Hugh 23-05-2013 19:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35575081)
The thing about most of them is that they were either born in this country. and fighting for another country. or they fled from a country to come and live here. and fight for the country they fled.

the point being that there's many of them. who the 'authorities' know are a threat. a ticking time bomb. but the British way is that unless they get caught in the act. then they are left ticking away.
Really?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22294720

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21878867

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-Olympics.html

http://www.thenational.ae/news/world...ted-terrorists

http://news.yahoo.com/4-uk-men-jaile...121629664.html

https://www.mi5.gov.uk/home/the-thre...in-the-uk.html

Chris 23-05-2013 19:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35575049)
I expect that these two will spend the rest of their natural life in jail (assuming they are judged to be of sound mind).
If they're not of sound mind they will spend the rest of their natural lives in Broadmoor with nothing but a packet of crayons and a couple of celebrity psychopaths for company.

Win/win, so far as I can see.

If they're really lucky they might get to sit next to Peter Sutcliffe at breakfast. He thought he was being guided by the voice of God too.

Uncle Peter 23-05-2013 19:19
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imho if you conduct a premeditated attack against a member of HM armed forces with intent to kill, either at home or abroad, you are an unlawful combatant and should be dealt with as such.


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