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And you would think it'll be relatively straightforward to continue renting games out on the basis of removing that game from the customer's account at the end of the rental period.

The question is how much the retailers stand to profit or lose from a system like this. Many might just turn around and say stuff you Microsoft, not worth a chuff doing any of this.

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Yes, if what they say is true..re only 10% of resale price for retailer

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Better stories on pre-owned games...(sorry, I hate reading DS' articles and much prefer to read the original articles)

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/publi...retail/0116137

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...ork-apparently

Indeed. You only need the disc for the installation.

Actually, someone from MS has talked about how XBL on the Xbox One will be kind of like the "Family" membership they used to do. Although the game will be tied to a single account, that single account can have multiple users (with their own Friend Lists etc. etc.) and all of those users of that console in that household will all be able to play the without each paying a fee.

http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/22/435...ox-one-and-360



Current rumours from "sources" say it will be lower than that and will come out of the retailer's cut.

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I wonder what the situation is on a Silver account, i hope it is the same?

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It would be rather restrictive if only Gold accounts could have multiple users.

Hopefully we'll get more details at E3.


Oh, and here's AnandTech's look at the Xbox One's hardware, along with a comparison to the PS4's:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6972/x...-playstation-4

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Similar article, from ExtremeTech:

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/15...d-and-analyzed

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FRom everything i have read, they're saying based on what we know so far the PS4 is 50% more powerful.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't people say the same thing about the PS3 and 360?

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I think so yes, although these consoles are far more powerful and have very similar architecture so it may make alot of difference.

Although the Xbox1 is said to offload some of the cpu processing to the cloud, not sure if that will make a difference.

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IIRC...

The PS3's CPU was more powerful than the 360's, while the 360's GPU was more powerful than the PS3's. The PS3 was initially hampered by it's "Cell" CPU being a right pain to code for, so it took time for developers (especially 3rd party devs) to really get to grips with it. EDIT Actually, on reading up on it it seems the PS3's GPU was more powerful than the 360's.


This time around...[based on the two links I posted that examined the specs]

Both the PS4 and Xbox One are using x86-64 architecture (instead of PowerPC like both the PS3 & Xbox 360) - there won't be some long learning curve like there was for the PS3 (or the 360, to a lesser extent), and also therefore perhaps won't be like this generation has been where the devs have been squeezing more and more out of each console years later.

Both have a semi-custom 64bit AMD Jaguar 8-core CPU. Draw.

Both have an AMD GCN GPU... But the Xbox One's has 768 cores (12 Compute Units) while the PS4's has 1152 cores (18 Compute Units). PS4 wins.

Both have 8GB of RAM... But the Xbox One uses 8GB of 2133MHz DDR3 while the PS4 uses 8GB of 5500MHz GDDR5. PS4 wins... Unless developers make efficient use of the nice fast 32MB eSRAM that MS has added as a way of getting around the lower memory bandwidth, in which case: Draw.


Assuming that the Xbox One's eSRAM is used effectively, then the main difference is just the GPU power, as the PS4 has 1152 cores / 18 CUs compared to the Xbox One's 768 cores / 12 CUs.

So yeah, the PS4 is more powerful... But it's not an overall 50% increase in power, it's 50% for the GPU.

Even so, the Xbox One will still be a powerful beast itself (plus also there's the possibility of cloud processing), and both consoles will be a lot more powerful than their older siblings.


And as past generations have shown, it's not always sheer power that determines the "winner"...

Anyway. I don't care which one "wins", I'll have both eventually like with this gen.


E3 should be bloody good this year... And I'm really looking forward to the Eurogamer Expo in September.

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Just noticed this in the Polygon article I linked to:

(my bold)

Now, the way I read that, because of the "if you have Gold" part, is that it will surely also apply to Silver, rather than multi-users being a Gold-only feature... As otherwise why would he say "...if you have Gold..."?

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I imagine it will work for Silver as well but there will be no benefit over individual full accounts, as Silver ha no features (assuming 'voice chat' is dropped).

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I love the hype about Sony's console power like it actually stands for something.

Take a look at the Wii. Outsold both. As stated earlier in the thread whilst Sony have about 3 million more units shifted than Microsoft, this does not total the amount made via Kinect, GFWL, Xbox Live & Exclusives. If you add those into the equation I think you'll find Sony got left behind because of the Xbox 360's online dominance.

I'll go out with a theory here anyway. The only thing that's changing in this generation is you'll no longer be able to buy pre-owned games the way you used to. I think Microsoft are aiming to get as many people buying via Digital downloads as possible rendering disc usage as minimal. I will love the idea of not standing in a queue at a store at 12am waiting for the latest blockbuster. What's great is you'll still be able to trade that game in online for maybe cash, a new game etc. Like I've said it's something I wanted on steam for years but Microsoft are the ones taking the plunge at it. This way of gaming has been on PC for years via the likes of Steam/Origin. So anyone that think's the PC has it better is incorrect. Xbox One has the same... and then some.

When you look at it like I've described above, it's not as massively significant and world ending as people are making out to be.

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The Wii outsold both because it was £180 from day one. The PS3 has sold less because it was out 12 month after the X360 and 18 month in Europe.

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Does anyone know what the refresh rate of the Xbox One will be? My TV has a refresh rate of 800htz

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It is never world ending :D

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Not sure i like the sound of all this, i would like the option to turn this off, rather than having the feeling of being watched all the time, with data being sent back to Microsoft.

XboxOne said to monitor viewing habits.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/n...f-viewers.html

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seems like they did a better job of encouraging PS4 sales than Sony did

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I really hope that MS revamps what you actually get for XBL Silver & Gold.

As it is at the moment, Gold is really poor value compared to PSN & PSN+.

The PS3 lets you play online multiplayer for free, the 360 requires XBL Gold.

The PS3 lets you use the web browser for free, the 360 requires XBL Gold.

The PS3 lets you use Netflix & Lovefilm & 4oD etc. etc. etc. for free, the 360 requires XBL Gold. [obviously with both you still need a Netflix/Lovefilm sub.]

I think that MS should make those things free, like they are for the PS3, and then do something like PSN+ to get people to pay extra.

I'm sure that MS has applied for all sorts of patents over the years. Doesn't mean that they will be implemented.

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Latest on the rumours regarding pre-owned etc.:

Polygon - Xbox One games will require regular authentication checks, used games won't have a fee

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I've been reading that the console will have to connect to the Internet once every 24 hours. What if you don't play on it for a day or you go on holiday, what happens then?

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I don't think anything will happen then. The way I read that was it'll just check once a day when you're console is on. It doesn't mean it's a requirement for you to turn on it once a day to check in.

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24 hours was mentioned by Phil Harrison, who hasn't exactly been very good at giving out a clear and concise message this week... MS has since said no time period has been set.


As it is, I think that Craig will be correct. It *will* need to go online within a certain time period of being turned on, simply because games are tied to your account and MS therefore needs to make sure that you are still authorised to use your games (otherwise people would sell their discs, and then continue to play them while offline), but it won't need to be turned on every x hours/days just to go online.

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For me gold is not poor value because psn is absolutely awful , clunky bug ridden rubbish in my opinion. Xbox live is streets ahead of psn in so many ways and I'm sure this is due to the subscription paid. I would much rather Sony did paid subscription (not an optional one) and make the psn experience much more polished. It makes me laugh when people are saying xbox one is not gamer orientated when they have announced dedicated servers for every game ..... THAT'S HUGE !!!

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if I have to pay any sub to use the new device fully except for online gaming then I will not be buying. I do fancy the One as a media centre but I aint paying to browse the web or use aps

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Right, Xbox Live has out-of-game voice chat and what else, adverts?

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Adverts to things that you can find on the 360... It's not like the adverts are trying to get you to get life insurance or something.

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Pretty sure I can't buy a Samsung Android phone in the XBLM.

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I've never seen an Android advert on there.

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I still think it's poor value, even if the multiplayer is better. You should not need to pay a subscription simply to be able to use apps that are free to use on other platforms. If you already pay because of playing online then it's fine, but what about those who don't actually play online, they still need to pay for Gold just to use Netflix or 4oD etc. etc.?


Still, as you say, having dedicated servers is going to be a huge thing once the Xbox One is out... That will justify the sub IMO, for those who play online... But I still think the apps should be available for those on Free/Silver accounts.

True, but I still find them annoying. I pay for XBL Gold, why do I also have to have adverts cluttering my dash? The XMB doesn't...

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Oh yeah, I agree with that but people go on about the adverts like everything that is advertised on there is not available on XBL.

I agree with what else you said though about the apps being available for Silver instead of just Gold.

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Yeah okay , I can agree that the apps should be available to all , tbh I didn't even know they didn't work unless you had a gold subscription !! .

@ jameseh if you can say hand on heart that psn is on the same level as Xbl then your on a different planet ;) , psn is just a very cheap copy of Xbl because Sony have always been playing catch up. We all know Microsoft can write software and unlike windows Xbl is mostly bug free , psn just does not cut it , they don't charge a subscription and it shines through how much they spent on developing the dashboard , if Sony do not go the dedicated servers route (which I'm sure they won't if they don't charge) how can real gamers justify buying a ps4 when they're gonna put up with the same laggy rubbish they have since ps3 was released ? , I've wanted dedicated servers on consoles since the release of the 360 , that time has arrived and its gonna be huge. You stick with your 8 vs 8 at best with no lag , dedicated servers would allow 16 vs 16 , 32 vs 32 , even more if they wanted , it opens a whole new avenue to gaming on consoles ;)

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xbox live is street ahead as it up front witht the cost, psn will never match it becoz it free as the old saying goes u get what u pay for i'm happy to pay for xbl becoz i no it a better service than psn. now if xbl adopt a simliar model to psn+ it would be a lot better service than now

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AFAIK, the only app that doesn't need XBL Gold is BBC iPlayer... and that's only because the BBC put its foot down and insisted it would only allow it if free accounts could use it (MS wanted it Gold only, like the rest). Netflix, Lovefilm, 4oD, Demand 5 and the rest all need Gold, as does IE.

Just because the XMB & PSN aren't that great now, and have had various things belatedly "bolted on" such as "in-game XMB" and Trophies etc., doesn't mean that it will be the same for the PS4... Sony will be starting fresh, and will be fully aware of how it lagged behind in the previous generation...


Hell, I'll be buying an Xbox One first, and I will continue to subscribe to XBL Gold... But XBL still needs a revamp to improve things for the Silver people, and we don't know that the PS4's PSN and interface will be crap just because of the PS3's...

Both companies have a lot more to explain at E3...

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The IE app became free for all to use a few weeks ago apparently

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Agree with this , I'm not against ps4 , I'm just gutted I spent my hard earned on a ps3 and all I do is play the occasional blu ray now, I won't do that this time around. If Sony pull their socks up and it looks good with decent exclusives (loved killzone 3 , uncharted series) then i will buy one :)

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Something during the reveal that might have been missed.

http://medialib.oxm.co.uk/screens/di...mb_wide620.jpg

will let you all wonder before revealing it, heh nah

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http://www.amazon.co.uk/Microsoft-Xb...ZRC44KA9QCWQH3

Amazon have a price listed as: £599.99

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Placeholder price, I'm guessing £399 :)

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i want to order...but will wait

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I'm hoping so. I've placed my pre order, and noticed they are charging £100 VAT

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I am also waiting till after E3, to see what Sony come up with and what elsr MS reveal.

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Microsoft just released something about turning off the Kinect for privacy so I'm slightly interested again.

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Yup. Neither MS nor Sony has revealed any pricing information, or even a release date. Any prices seen on Amazon or Shopto etc. will purely be placeholder prices.


My guesstimate is ~£299-£349 for each.

I can't see either of them repeating Sony's mistake with the PS3 launch price... At least I hope not.

There was a rumour before the reveal that MS would offer two price points: normal, or subsidised with some sort of subscription. A later rumour said that this was scrapped, perhaps as they realised they didn't need the subsidised version to make it attractive?

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I think loss leader and £299 the hardware can be priced seeing as they are similar to PC hardware and are AMD APUs which are cheap anyway the only thing that would make this console cost more is development costs of course

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Dat ass http://www.bloomberg.com/image/iROGVfp6mAag.jpg

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I still think the box and the Kinect look ugly as hell. In my house it will be a dust magnet, with all those grooves.

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Yes, I will get it...maybe good to have something in the house ugly (I'm waiting for someone to say "uglier than the wife" :D)

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Or uglier than you or the dog :D:D (Im only messing chap)

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Put my pre order in, and also pre ordered 3 games as well as an extra controller

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Which games?

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FIFA 14, Forza, and CoD: Ghosts

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Same games i wanted. Ive preordered Ghosts and Forza but not Fifa. I am tempted to order Fifa and an extra controller. I need to earn and save more dosh before that

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I've pre-ordered CoD: Ghosts, Battlefield 4, Destiny and Watch Dogs.

I may well drop one or both of Ghosts and BF4, but Destiny and Watch Dogs are definites.

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I want to order it just now, however with getting married next year I am not allowed too :(

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:no: screwed.



:sorry:

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Hahaha well I was allowed to get a Macbook Pro, a new Canon 700D DSLR and a Wii U recently lol so its not all that bad. Well after what the ring cost me I think it was only fair lol.

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Thats a lot of stuff. Even still i would be saying hunny i am getting an Xbox One if you like it or not so do one. Then you hear the door slam closed after she has left you :D:D

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You know you can't beat having a new Xbox or PS console ;)

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It's easier to ask forgiveness than ask permission ;)

Order one while you still have your freedom!

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Hold back..maybe she will buy it as a christmas/wedding present

Otherwise, wait until the divorce...so she doesn't get it..or at least trade=off and let her keep the kids :D

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I liked what I saw and will be getting an XBOX One. :)

Destiny and Watchdogs are must-plays,and also Quantum Break when it gets released.

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I agree Watchdogs looks good. Already got mine on order and starting to save up with my bouns and overtime :D

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watchdogs looks like person of interestesque

maybe i watch too much tv :)

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yeah,I'll get saving too and will also trade in my 360 and Games when the time comes.Can't wait,I think we're in for a treat. :)

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Ohh, I hope we can trade in old equipment, I'd throw in my ps3 too :)

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I hope we are in for a treat. A few people i work with are questioning why i am getting X1 instead of PS4. I wont trade in Xbox 360 staright away ill wait a while

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I played both xbox online and ps3...prefer xbox (as long as I can mute everyone) :)

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I hope the Xbox One is on par with the PS4 with the quality of the games and media play back. I really hope MKV is finally supported properly this time around but i won't hold my breath.

Only around 10 days until we get alot more info on the X1 and PS4. :)

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Microsoft are too friendly with film & tv studios to allow MKV, considering its (basically) only use.

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Rumoured E3 games list.

Halo 5
Killer Instinct
Banjo Kazooie 4
Forza 5
Quantum Break
Halo: Spartan Assault
Ryse
Fable 4
Crackdown 3
Fortnite
Dead Rising 3
Call of Duty: Ghosts
Battlefield 4
The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
Dying Light
Prey 2
Homefront 2
Beyond Good & Evil 2
Mirror’s Edge 2
Rainbow 6: PATRIOTS
Brother in Arms: Furious Four
League of Legends

http://www.gamingtruth.com/2013/06/0...few-surprises/

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People said similar things about xvid/divx support for the PS3 and 360... until it was added to both.

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The source for that speculation was an article at TrustedReviews... which now says this:

Sky refutes rumours Xbox One will come with reduced price TV subscription

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There are alot of rumours flying around that mostly seem incorrect, roll on E3 next week.

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Microsoft has finally provided answers for the questions people have had since before the reveal, and which its previous attempts at answering just caused more problems.

Xbox One: Details on Connectivity, Licensing and Privacy Features


Three sections:

Xbox One: A Modern, Connected Device

- All games play from the HDD, the disc is only needed for installation. All games will also be available for digital download day one.

- All of your games can be played from any Xbox One you're signed in on.

- Minimum broadband connection of 1.5Mbps recommended.

- A persistent connection is not required, but the Xbox One must be able to go online to verify if you've sold any discs you have, as otherwise you could install games and then sell the disc. You can play offline on your primary console for 24 hours before it needs to check in, or play offline for one hour on another console.



How Games Licensing Works on Xbox One

- All your games are available on any console you sign in on.

- Your family and friends can all play your games on your console without being logged in as you. They can also access your library on other consoles, if you have shared it with them. (some sort of evolution of the family account).

- You can give your games to friends, or trade them in. No fees are charged, but it is up to publishers to enable/disable selling/giving games. MS Studios won't prohibit giving or trading its own games.



Privacy by Design: How Xbox One and the New Kinect Sensor Put You in Control

- Comprehensive privacy controls.

- Although Kinect must be connected, you do not have to use it. It can be On, Off, or Paused.

- Kinect won't record your conversations in the living room.

- No data will leave your console without your express permission.

- Other control methods can still be used in addition or instead of Kinect.

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Evidently a lie then, why require something that can be turned off?

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It just says must be connected.

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But why would it need to be connected if you can then just turn it off, it's clearly never off.

Infuriates me like hell because I really want to play Forza, Fable, Halo, etc.

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Just turn it off, you sound paranoid, although I would like a lens cover, but I got used to my webcam not having that.

As long as off works I don't see the problem.

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After reading this https://www.gamepointsnow.com/blog/x...h-of-preowned/ and here http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22812743 it's definately off my to buy list unless Sony do something equally stupid its the ps4 for us

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Why? I ask that as i dont feel this is any worse than now. You can share your games with upto 10 people and sell buy and sell your games

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Everything is done through Xbox Live & Microsoft, you can't just take your game to a mates, stick it in the disc tray and play. The '10 people' refers to upto 10 people in your household using your account (though not GamerTag).

Plus the publishers can disallow trade ins, you can guarantee EA will be the first to do so, probably followed by Activision.

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Sony will be doing a very similar thing with the PS4. Also if you look at the EULA in any of your game manuals you will see that you don't actually own the game anyways. Also the publishers can already prevent trade ins if you read the EULA.

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The bottom line is:

The market shall speak

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PS4 will do the same thing. This is the downside to cloud based gaming and storage but that is the way tech is going. Steam is virutally the same way on PC anyway so i cant understand why people dont like this. If you go to a mates house you can sign in to yout XBL gamertag and play the game on your mates console so in a way it is like taking a disk to his house

Sony will do the same thing or very simular

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Roll on Monday for hopefully alot more info on both consoles.

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You obviously don't have many second hand games we have many we buy some new but most are pre owned with this system that will become prohibitly expensive. Heart all our "live" friends are now looking at Sony . Could be not just Xbox sales it hurts to as we use windows phones to link to live and chat . I am already looking at android devices and apps from Sony to link to thier game platform and although I just bought a Dell rt tablet/netbook for my daughter the next laptop if we go Sony will likely be android/linux as most of what I do now is all browser based anyhow. So linking to friends is more of an issue now than MS compatibility.

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I wonder what happens if a household has 2 or more Xbox Ones and only 1 bought copy of a game, do they then have to keep registering it with each console to play it, and is there a limit to how often this can be done?

It all sounds rather complicated to me, i am glad i won't be one of these people that blindly buy the console on the first day of release without knowing the true facts.

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I do buy second hand games. MS have said there is no fee to register or buy the games just the normal price that stores sell them at. Its upto the dev/publisher if they want to charge extra

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if you think they won't buy it I and most of the people I know won't be we also won't buy the PS4 if they do go down the same path.
I already spend more time playing games on my phone than I do on any of the consoles in the house (Wii 360 x 2 and 1 PS3) my son is most disapointed already that there is no Minecraft app for our lumias so switching to android will have him happy .
MS I think just got a little to greasy and controlling. Developers don't seem that enthusiastic either And they are not making it easy for Independant developers either.
If all else fails I am back off to playing RuneScape ;)

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Because Steam games are urine cheap every other week, console games ain't.

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Try Survivalcraft on WP: http://www.windowsphone.com/en-gb/st...a-7e7379325671

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Yes you can.

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/license

It's explained in the Xbox.com article I linked to last night...


http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/license



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Exactly. If Sony doesn't do anything similar, publishers would favour MS...



I think that Sony may just leave it all up to the publishers (it's already said there's no mandatory online requirement for the system). Then it can put on an innocent face, while laughing in private.


Instead of the system itself needing an internet connection every 24 hours, it could be on a per game basis depending on the publisher.

Play Game 1 from Publisher X? No online needed, you can play offline and you can trade it in, no restrictions.

Play Game 2 from Publisher Y? You must be online to play it, and you cannot trade it in unless you pay some sort of fee (or the person you sell it to pays a fee).

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Because making it an optional accessory like the first Kinect would split the install base again.

Including it with every Xbox One and making its connection mandatory means the developers don't have to worry about whether people have one or not: They will know that *everyone* has one.


MS messed up with the 360 when it failed to make the HDD a standard mandatory component.

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Try sharing when you don't have net access and see how far you get under the released rules . Plus try playing games on holiday ( we take ours with on holiday for those lovely rainy days) unless you can log on there .

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I have just read that you can share your entire games library with upto 10 people and can be accessed on any Xbox, now if that is correct that maybe very good indeed.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/0...se-than-hoped/

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Hmm, and yet this specifically words it as family members

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/license

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Good article. Raises valid points

I need to wait and see, I want more info about this xbox before I commit

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This is because of the installing to HDD feature without the need of inserting a disc. I don't see what the fuss is and what this guy is even talking about 'Relationship'... Did anyone think any different with the mass amount of account theft and the amount of Microsoft points stolen on the Xbox 360, flashed consoles and JTAG'd devices? This so called relationship was ended when the users started taking Microsoft for a ride, we're not all thieves and cheaters granted but when you've been on live since the original Xbox you'll understand what I'm talking about. If people could get away with selling games but actually keeping them on the HDD then they would.

As for this Kinect thing, I guarantee Facebook knows a lot more about you than Kinect ever will but I don't see an uproar.

I think Cimt and Matt said above that Sony will likely implement the same features the Xbox have or face losing the backing of publishers, I think they're spot on.

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If you base your policy on everyone being a thief..you take the risk of annoying the good customers

Do you get stripped searched when leaving a store? No, because though it would be best way to stop shoplifters, it would just annoy customers

I am not saying I won't get xbox..but I'm considering whether I want this level of distrust to good customers