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So putting it on my desk next to the wall is fine, but as soon as its mounted on the wall suddenly antennae are being blocked?

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:D

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:D

http://cdn3.ridiculouslyefficient.co...2/31220121.jpg

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All I'm saying is that it hasn't been designed with wall mounting in mind!! If it had been designed for that, there would probably be external antennas or a detachable base like the SH1 has.

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it may not of been designed to be wall mounted but have you tested robson? (experience view)

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No I have no interest in wall mounting it :P I would probably go down the making a shelf for it route though.

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then all youre doing is being a parrot. it wasnt designed to be wall mounted, great but the most important thing here is can it function as it should wall mounted? I answer yes. anyway else?

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Have you tried it yourself?

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meant to say anyone*** else :dozey:

yes I have. kind of a bodge job, could have been better as suggested but it was just a test. so long as youve got your angles right you should be fine :D

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sh1 will be handed out to L30 customers and SH2 for 60+ when full roll out happens for new customers. swaps will be like for like

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oh look at that. so i was right, you too iirc. so glad Petarl isnt in charge of VM.

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You're weird.

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singular* :D

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Why bother wall mounting it? Stuff it behind your desk out of the way, or better yet behind the TV, like everyone else does =P

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:LOL: behind a TV. right next to a TV. fail!

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Kush - you got that? You've been pronounced a FAIL!

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:LOL:

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He might have a point. I just tried moving mine to behind the TV and had no internet at all, but the the coax does come in upstairs and the television is downstairs ;).

Cheers

Grim

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... Except that Kush was being homourous in dealing with a ridiculous sub-topic: wall mounting a device that has no wall-mount brackets. And who was daft enough to try it? Why - thenry of course!

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Having just peered though the vents at the top, I reckon you could just screw straight through it into the wall, but don't forget to pre-drill and plug the wall cause you wouldn't want to damage it if it fell off :)

Cheers

Grim

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If its anything like its predecessor, you probably would

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All this wall mounting talk is all very quaint, but what really matters is when can we expect to get our grubby little palms on this new device?

How soon can I flog my router on eBay!?

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Officially, never. The superhub remains property of Virgin Media

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Why not just get a couple of hardback books to hold the new Hub upright if you want it on display on a shelf?
No intention of a 'wall mount bodge' here.

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Not the SuperHub, my existing separate router - which would be surplus to requirements from what I've read so far about the SH2's WiFi performance etc.

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Use the super hub 2 for a little while before you flog your router on Ebay.

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I would happily, If I could get one? ; )

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i gone say when 120 mb is rolled out enough they will beginning shipping so september ish i reckon

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it'll be sooner than September

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Can someone who works for Virgin give us a vague time frame?

Will we see it rolled out within the next 3 months or less?

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august - september give them time to perfectic everything this time round so it works properly

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why hide it? do people not like routers or something?

I certianly have never understood the craze off wall mounting them.

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It frees up desk space and if you can wall mount it you can put it pretty much anywhere (don't need anything to stand it on).

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Hide it? Yes if it is in your bedroom (as a lot are) if it interferes with you getting to sleep.

I too don't see the need for wall-mounting as if it's free standing (I take it it stands upright as the last one did) there is a better circulation of air to aid cooling.

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And people wonder why the wireless signal doesn't go very far ;)

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That's a little misleading Ben, there's plenty of other things that can screw the wireless and sticking it out of view is not really one of them.

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haha well yeah you got me there.

normal routers dont keep me awake, but when I had the superhub its blue light was like turbo powered lighting the whole room blue :p

I didnt hide the superhub tho instead I just covered the light.

Putting it behind something big just makes it a hassle to swap cables, power cycle it etc. As well as not likely great for wifi reception if used.

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What's wrong with a black bin bag then?

Especially if it is outside for collection!

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Never thought I'd see the day where people would be crying over anything other than the Superhub 2's functionality.

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Come on this is the Cable Forum. It is essential that we continue to fight for the right to continually bicker over anything and everything, even if it was perfection personified.

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You haven't lived yet then have you?:D

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Cableforum bickering will take over your life coffeeguy, don't continue down this road it only ends bad i.e lose your wife (well can be a plus sometimes) late nights, I could go on but you get the picture.

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I can't see any of my networking kit, it's all hidden away in my "Comms Room", complete with UPS and remote control power switches ..... :)

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How right you are!

Nothing wrong with having a sense of humour though!:D:D:D:D:D

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Everyone knwos that the biggest cause of wireless interference comes from dogs wagging their tails and disrupting the signal.

No, apparently not...

:p:

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SH2 in full router mode gives me a messy looking tbb graph with mean latency slightly higher than in modem-only. It bubbles around 20ms rather than 13ms in modem-only.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...03-05-2013.png

Pingtest pretty well confirms that.
http://www.pingtest.net/result/80705845.png

Jitter can sometimes be as high as 2, but that was the case in modem-only too. The messy tbb graph doesn't seem to be associated with high jitter or particularly high latency.

Speed tests at tbb and speedtestnet are unaffected by SH2.



http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedt...2870912608.png

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2013/05/47.png

Wireless range seems at least as good as my WNDR3700 version 1. However, connections to my VM Freedom netbook and my Xperia U Android have been dropped in favour of other signals more than in modem -only. The up side to wireless is that speed tests on my wireless devices have been better in full router mode. Today I achieved a full 25Mb on my Xperia U in the same room as SH2. Previously in modem-only I maxed at 19Mb. I have 5MHz disbled because my devices aren't enabled for that.

My wife thinks the SH2 is good because you can tone down the LEDs. She has always wanted a car with a blue tint in the headlights. :rolleyes:

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How do you change the brightness of the leds, my living looks like blackpool illusions when I go to bed.

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That's implemented on the SuperHub 2.

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I just rang VM for 2 reasons:

1. Can I have the 120Mb upgrade early please?
VM - No!

2. Can I have a SuperHub 2 please?
VM- Not out yet, and when they are it will cost you £50.

Cheers

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School?!

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Oh I do, I've just been away a while :p:

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Hah!

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One thing nobody seems to have mentioned is whether the SH2 can actually use the full range of 5Ghz channels and not just 4 (the same as you can get at 2.4Ghz) like the old one.

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As far as wireless signal goes, standing up is superior to flat.


You realise BT are doing it as well?

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Unless you happen to be using real men's 5Ghz equipment which has between 10x and 40x the transmit power of 2.4Ghz.

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Derp?

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Exactly

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That's strange. Just had to reboot SH2 because network went all sluggish. I couldn't access files on NAS devices. Having rebooted through GUI all is OK again.

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Only if you're a business customer.

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No, but blocking it with a giant 40" metal sheet designed specifically to block EM radiation is not going to help.

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I disagree.

http://consumerist.com/2012/03/02/ca...-cat-pictures/

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Nice.

That's a pretty decent improvement, though if those settings actually stick it's breaking regulations again.

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:LOL:

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All the channels 100 and up use DFS - there's a message while it checks for radar installations. I'm just trying ch. 136+132 to see how it goes.

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Qas any proof?

My 2 worse wifi routers happen to be VM superhub and BT homehub3, is it not coincidence they both stand up with lack of external antennaes?

A flat router with external antennaes is superior. But both BT and VM going for cosmetics. Although it seems VM have at least done some work on the superhub2 wifi performance.

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My Asus RT-N56U stands upright, internal antennae and gives more than adequate performance.

Cheers

Grim

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When you first set it to anything but the auto modes it makes a song and dance about having to scan for nearby radar stations.

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Yep according to my sam knows mines been brilliant better wifi as well

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As are other ISP's their customer base is ignorant though and just plug and play so end up on the 2.4GHz band.

Of the 72 wireless connections I can pick up with a scan there's 1 on the 5GHz band.-ME!

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... exactly. And you don'ind peops demanding that the N56U should be stood horizontal.

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?????????????????

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Dunno - but whatever it was it was right.

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All I know is that the wife doesn't complain anymore when trying to use the iPad in the kitchen with the microwave on.

The concurrent dual band works really well (worth £50?)

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I'd say if VM felt the SH1 was 'worth' £30 then the SH2 is well worth £50.

Cheers

Grim

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Be better spending £50 on a proper router, way to many bugs at the minute.

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They were charging £75 at one point for the SH1, which is hilarious.

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Wow. I honestly weren't expecting them to actually implement that correctly.

Bravo. This new Shrub is not only a serious improvement but actually looks professionally done as well, rather than an amateur box-ticking botch job like the last one...

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You see all those transmitters outside that are on masts?

See any TV or mobile transmitters lying flat on the ground?

See all those hundreds of businesses with professionally installed wireless networks where they are all attached high on walls or the ceiling? Seen any who installed their wifi access points on the floor?

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Sure, last time I did a "drive test" I found out of 380 Superhubs, all but one were on 2.4Ghz. However since consumer grade 5Ghz signals don't travel as far, that's not an entirely fair comparison.

Personally I'm still surprised when I see professionally installed wireless networks (hotspots, hotels, airports, etc.) that use 5Ghz, even then they are still extremely rare. There's only three I know of in Edinburgh. Two belong to universities.

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Qas, i have the SH2 and have my apple stuff connected to the 5GHz and other older stuff to 2.4. Is there any benefit to this or should they all be on 2.4?

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They charged £75 for the old hub too! I went to a customer who paid it as sales said it has the best wifi

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anyone have an answer to the above ?

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It's known to be < 2.5 ampere draw in router mode (that's the PSU spec); someone AFAIR has measured < 1 ampere drawn in modem mode. The simultaneous dual band has upped the router mode current draw from the SH1.

The SH2 doesn't have a WOL feature (to trigger a PC)

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Thanks Seph, any idea what the watts draw is ?

Shame about WOL, I really miss that feature.

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Multiply 240V by the current - gives you the Watts.

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As much of an improvement as the SH2 seems to be, I don't think it'll ever be a replacement for a dedicated router. Stuff like WOL is very much not needed for 99.9% of virgin customers.

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No.

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Helpful as ever, Qasi.

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600 watts would be a little ridiculous for a modem and router, you want to take the voltage output of the PSU and multiply it with the amperage output of the PSU.
In this case its 12v x 2.5a = 30w max or x 1a for 12w.
The PSU itself of course can still be and most definitely is pulling more power from the wall than it is outputting due to inefficiencies I honestly have no idea about the efficiency of this type of power supply but would use 80% efficient as a general rule.
So adding another 20% on I get somewhere south of 36w for router mode and 14w for modem mode pulled from the wall. This of course also depends on how much work the device is doing and would be absolute maximums.

Your amperage x 240v is correct for anything that takes 240v directly (although the target voltage in the UK is 230v).

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Clarify please. I know you can be a bit picky!:D

VxA=W. That is set in stone.

However what is the VxA being drawn from the mains to the adaptor, that is the true consumption.

As the current for the S/H or any device using a power adapter is drawn fron the mains and induced by the coils in the adapter then it is the adapters current draw from the mains which should be measured.

I look forward to your reply! :D

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Your post made me laugh, Flat routers have the transmitters upright still. So god knows why you made a comment saying I said otherwise.

The fritzbox has enclosed transmitters like the homehub and superhub and that one works reasonably well but that router is flat, I dont doubt transmitters inside casing can wotk well, what I do doubt is someone saying a transmitter enclosed will perform better than one that isnt with all else been equal.

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Yes - I forgot about that. 12 V multiplied by the current. Doh.

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For those of you wondering about power consumption, just measured my SH2 in router mode as follows:

Mains voltage was 246.2 V
Current taken 0.08 amps
Wattage 9.8 W
VA 20.2
Power factor 0.48

The conversions don't add up exactly as the mains voltage probably changed slightly while I was pressing buttons on the power meter

Hope that helps

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how much does it work out yearly (SH2 left 24/7)?

my psu isnt screaming anymore :)

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If progers got the figures right (and I've no reason to think otherwise) then you're lookging at 1 unit of electricity every 4 days 6 hours (or there abouts).

I'll let you do the maths for a year!!

Cheers

Grim

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Depends on your electricity price, at 15 pence per kwh (what I pay) your looking at £1.08 per month so £12.96 per year if my maths is correct. That is for the 10w progers has measured although I assume thats totally idle? Again the power draw will increase as the device is doing more work. Taking the 30w maximum the psu is capable of outputting to the device and accounting for inefficiency at 36w your looking at £3.89 per month or £46.86 per year.

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Thanks Jayster.

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Phone/TV masts are up high to clear as much clutter as possible, eg trees/bushes/houses/walls. I don't think you can look at a short range WiFi network in the same way. 5 inches isn't going to make that much difference, although then you're in danger then of starting to look at polarisation of antennas etc.

Good point about professional installs being up on the ceiling. The same wall mount points would work on the ceiling, so the point still stands. If the cables were in a sensible place for wall mounting it would be way better. That's why I'm about to buy a wireless AP with PoE, so I can screw it to the ceiling and still be able to reset it without a chair. That will replace the pitiful SH1 WiFi that I'm left using.

I can cope with it being terrible, I'll happily buy my own kit to get around that issue. I just want the ports in a sensible place so I can have it out of the way. Or, better still, just give me a modem...

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Thanks Progers, much appreciated :)

Any chance of checking modem mode too ? - I doubt there will be much difference but it would be nice if there was.

* Any news on the USB ports usefulness ?

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Sorry Dave, don't do modem mode, I doubt if there would be any difference though

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impressive SH2, first time ive managed to use wifi outside the block of flats i live in

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Deafeningly silent on that front. I've peeled the black tape covering mine though, just because I'm nosy.

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There is no power to the USB port, it doesn't charge my phone or anything so it is definitely disabled for now.

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Indeed i just tried the same :(

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Apparently I'm getting one of these as well when I upgraded my broadband package on the phone last night so will get to play with this after the tech installs it on Tuesday.

Though the £49 installation fee is excessive in my view for a modem swap out but they said will manually refund half of it afterwards. Last time I changed package on the phone I didn't encounter such a charge so a bit odd.

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It's because you are getting the SH2.

If you have the SH1 already, you can opt out of getting the SH2 and get an over the phone upgrade

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Cool thanks for the explanation but will happily take the SH2 offer, was a nice surprise as I though the SH2 was coming out later in the year.

I assume, when I get my bill I can call up and request the instillation reduction the sales guy offered me? Unless he was telling porkies.

Re: superhub 2
 

I would double check that, as unless he's noted the account you will have a bit of an argument. The reduction isn't part of any current offer, if it was it wouldn't have to be done manually.

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Oh I see, I guess I will have to wait and see and kinda hope he did note the account then. I assume it won't hurt to ask later on.

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I emailed the woman who sometimes emails me from virgin business and she mailed back saying that I would get one when they "become available"