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That is not going to happen alas....
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ESPN had no infrastructure so had to wholesale to SKY and VM because they needed the money. BT has a massive customer base already in place to cross sell to. This is about their BB product and making and retaining BB subs. If they sell to VM then they are essentially giving VM an upper hand and VM can bundle the sports offering as they fit. |
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BT Vision in its current form can't rival VM TV or Sky TV so to make BT Sports cheap purely on their own TV platform would have been a mistake , instead they've elected to offer BT Sports free with BT Broadband which gives them a chance to increase their BB subscriber base even further while continually improving their TV service in the hope that further down the line those customers with only Phone/BB will be tempted and add Infinty fibre if not already available and their tv product. |
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I agree with what you have said as well. It's all about retaining at the moment, getting significant gains and reducing churn and then once they have done this, they can start investing more heavily into their tv platform and go down the same route as Sky and create more of their own channels etc. Then eventually, some way down the line - sky/vm customers are going to be more inclined to take tv as well. Youview has massive scope and potential, it has been no where near realised as of yet. ---------- Post added at 15:53 ---------- Previous post was at 15:47 ---------- Quote:
The other reason behind my thinking is they have moved in to the same market that Sky has been dominating for 21 years. Sport. This is a serious gauntlet BT have thrown down. Serious sports fans will be able to keep their tv and sky sports sub but by simply moving their broadband (which is painless because it's the same network so can keep their same landline number etc) to BT and they get extra sports channels free! Win, win really for sports fans. Sky have taken £5m BT broadband customers from BT since 2006 and they want those customer back. Offer them sports and they're less likely to leave again. Which means any net adds that BT earn in customers will be profitable rather than offsetting their lost customers. = more profits for an already incredibly profitable business. |
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I can see a major problem here for VM. BT have already said that they plan to 'pinch' customers from Sky, Talk Talk and VM. With reduced payments on deals.
I cannot really see it happening with Sky, BUT l can see VM getting into serious trouble, with customers going over to Sky or BT. Sky can offer this FREE to its customers, using the BB as the bait, as it has unlimited BB, with VM it has limited BB which causes a lot of problems. Unless Berkett and his directors coming up with a brilliant idea, l can see a lot happening before August. |
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You reckon Berkett will leave?
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What is limited about VM BB? I can download as much as I want. OK, after a certain amount of download, the speed is reduced, but that doesn't stop me downloading. And my capped speed is way faster than Sky ADSL on full speed! I personally have only had insignificant, problems with the BB which have happened extremely rarely. ---------- Post added at 22:01 ---------- Previous post was at 21:57 ---------- Quote:
He's being replaced by an ex Sky man, who I think is actually a Sky plant. But then again, I probably do watch too many TV conspiracy shows.... ;):D Talking of which... great to hear that 24's coming back. |
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Sorry, I was trying to be amusing!
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I'm sick of this who has what on my platform and join me if you want to watch it. Competition at the expense of the general public. Let me throw something radical out there to everyone. Let everyone watch everything that is available out there. Let's share like one human race!
Pause....................didn't think so. Oh well, back to the ******** then. :( |
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I for one will be expecting a reduction in the price of the XL package if Virgin lose ESPN/ESPN America from it. If not then I'll be dropping Virgin and go Freeview with a Netflix subscription which gives me a huge amount more to watch than the Virgin catch up etc service (I run my PS3 with a US DNS setting so that I can watch US Netflix, and my 360 has UK settings so I can watch UK Netflix)
It seems every time a deal is struck we get less choice. BT's 'free' sport would cost a fitting fee for phone lines etc for me plus obviously the broadband/phone line rental and I'm not even in an Infinity area so would be getting worse BB. I'll just make do with listening to football on 5 Live, watching highlights on MOTD/Football League show and the occasional stream. I'd be more disappointed with losing Baseball/US college sports but I can at least watch highlight from those on Xbox apps. |
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To be honest we don't know yet if VM will get BT Sports or not...
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If you take phone and BB, there is no fitting fee. It is waived unless you take BT'S capped Infinity option. |
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There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that VM will be providing BT Sports to its customers. The only question is at what price and whether there will be any bundle incentives. Of course BT won't give the channel away to VM; clearly they will charge for it. However, VM may decide to make it available to their subscribers at a reduced charge, or maybe even free, even if it means taking a hit. I do think BT Sport will be an attractive proposition to those sports fans who cannot afford (or don't wish to pay for) Sky Sports. There are potentially more customers that can be encouraged to sign up for VM if the deal was right. |
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Yes it is cheaper, but it won't work for me having the slot they do.
Saturday lunchtime is a non-starter for me. |
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I think I might just get a freeview box and save money paying VM - I could save over £1K a year not paying VM.
I'll keep the broadband and that's it. |
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Yeah, I think I'l be doing the same come August. Hopefully those extra HD channels from Channel 4 are on Freeview soon.
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i'm sure vm realise they would have to do something with the xl pack in august when espn disappears, whether that be dropping the price or doing something at a decent price with bt sport
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At the end of the day, VM customers will be paying for it. So l cannot see why VM dont just go in for it, they get other crap channels anyway - Afica, France 24 etc.
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If Virgin Wanted to compete they'd offer:
TV M - £5 TV L - £10 TV XL - £15 Sports - £21 Movies - £21 Sports & Movies - £39 HD - £5 You could get the equivalent to Sky World HD (minus Atlantic) for £59. £6.75 cheaper than Sky. At the moment XL is £29.50 and Sports & Movies £39.81 which makes it £69.31 which is actually £3.56 more expensive than Sky. |
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I have always said that l would not mind paying £5.00 per month extra - BUT only if it came with other channels - that what l said.
I have no objections to paying extra money, but l would not go mad. At the end of the day its US that will have to pay for what we want to watch, This is why l think VM wont put extra channels on as the customers won't pay extra money on VM. Customers with what ever company do not have a bottomless pit of money to spend. |
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More to the point virgin still haven't agreed a deal which is ridiculous. Whoever is the deal maker at VM clearly sees no point to rush.
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To be fair we don't know this.
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I would not mind paying an extra fiver per month, BUT Sky customers are being charged a tenner.
I honestly cannot see VM putting it in the XL, pack for free. But there again we had ESPN for nothing. My biggest moan is that at the moment BT and Sky are doing BIG adverts for it so where is the brains behind VM, this is the best time to get customers by advertising it on the network, but there again the directors that thick and stupid and still on the golf course to worry about us the customer - and saying, we will put it on the dsay before the season starts and see who gets in. I think that VM will lose a lot of customers if they dont get BT Sports on the sytem. At the end of the day it will be US that end up paying for it, so l cannot see why VM just tell us that it will be on the network by a certain date and be done with it. |
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I wouldn't pay that for the channels, you are paying £12.00 per month for three channels.
I have a good feeling that that will reduce as people won't pay that amount of money for what you will be getting. |
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People just want a straight answer are we getting BT sport yes or no and if so how are we getting it
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In answer to the thread forum nope,ain't bothered if we get it or not
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all i want is the sci fi stuff ;)
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With all this haggling over 'are we or not' getting the channels, my simple question is that we have a member of VM staff on this forum and he is a bit quiet on this and must know something.
I have a sneaky feeling that this is what is going to happen. WE will get BT Sports, but WILL have to pay BT direct as with Sky and it will cost £12.00 per month. If that is the case, you can forget me. Times are hard at the moment, and l will just have to watch Saturday Sport on Sky, where you have such a laugh, it will better than watching BT Sports. Both Sky and VM rip off their customers with high costs compared to other cable companies, and the sad thing is that its US, the customer who will lose out. I am a big Spurs fan, and it might be cheaper to watch Spurs at home, than watch it on Tv. |
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Dunno about cheaper, Arthur, but certainly better.
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You might be right about the £12 per month, though. |
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great deal |
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