Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

So could I request the earlier course times?

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

Doesn't really bother me the time of the course it's more the traveling and cost then on the fri you need to make a trip to Liverpool by train to collect a van do it Means u can't even take your car

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

I was told you get the van until the Monday. Are you thinking of spending the weekend in Liverpool?

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

What's the score with mj crb? I've got 1 non violent offence on my record will that mean I'm gonna be rejected? Does anyone at mj quinn know their stand on criminal records?

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

Maybe I mis heard her on the phone that would be better to pick it up on a Monday so I could just drive down to the course and find cheaper digs don't know if I'm taking them up on the offer yet Paul it's a bit risky leaving my job but if this pulls off it would be good where abouts in Scotland u from I'm Newton Mearns in Glasgow ?

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Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

I know what you mean about being unsure, this is all a bit hit & miss. I'm not in Scotland, I'm from Peterborough in Cambs.

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

I've also got a spent Criminal record from when I was younger but I've done a discloser for my job in the airport and that was fine

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

Just been reading that every 2 weeks you are giving a 10 point audit and if you fail you are fined £100 !!

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

Mines from last March

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Where did you read that gtelc

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

What's mj quinn stance on unspent criminal records? non violent, non sexual, non theft or fraud?

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

Just looked over the training agreement I after twelve weeks in the job you have to pay the full about back which is £130 per day

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

I am also a bit nervous about this . phone call out of the blue and very little info. also promised a fuel card. Normally when agencies call you they are desperate to get the numbers in and don't really care how it affects us guys. I have been very careful at the moment with booking training digs and stuff. I can cancel them both on the day. bought my train ticket well in advance but only stand to loose 25 quid on that. need the work but going to be well out of pocket before i even start. The other hidden surprises that keep popping up means I am a stamp away from pulling out. Thought I would check out on the web and found this forum and very glad i did. Going to mull it over further over the weekend. I need a job but I am not liking the amount of money i will have to hand over before i start. and then if i am reading it right you get charged for them to do the CRB check and then Training if you leave before six months. So what if you fail on the course. totally out of pocket. :(

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

heres the real deal u get no fuel card , you will be under sever pressure everyday to get completes if u get an npu e ie u do all the install get to the cab and and ur number is not on eside u then have to try get support on phone could take upto and over an hour to get them then they get u new eside and what do u get for ur trouble 10 pound for that job not the zone rate ur due as its classed as an npu so u could have just spent 2 hrs of ur day doing a full install basically running all the internal cable climbing the pole and installing new drop wire from pole to house then u run to cab using ur own fuel again .then theres the audits ,audits dont just include the actual work they also include the forms filled on tablet miss something and get nailed ie ur dside is ment to be on 200 but come up on 330 and u forget to put that on form thats u just got 5 point defect ,then lets move on to the tools they supply ull get a tdr that wont work none of them will or if they do it wont work for long if ur drill brakes then its off to b&q to buy a new 500 quid drill ,then theres lovely no access u get say five jobs on ur tab two people aint in that two no access what u get for that not a penny its actually cost u money on fuel then u pick up 1 comp and 2 npus so uve basically made 50 quid for that day but drove maybe 80 miles so deduct a 10 for fuel so uve made 40 quid for being out for 8 -10 hours .
what about if u need new batteries for ur tdr (that wont work) or ur toner u phone up the to get new batteries and are told go buy them we dont supply them u can buy them cheap in pound land ,same goes for drill bits need new ones u wont be given any just told go buy some and claim them back of payment company which u will only get the vat back for so ur paying for 80 perecnt of them and tax man pays for rest and quinns laugh all the way to bank ,
then it comes to ur ill and i mean genuiely ill it happens to us all so u phone up to tell then im no well they say really no probs u have a 50 pound fine so its costs u to be unwell
personally i have worked in the comms game my whole life and have never experienced anything like this having to buy ur own consumables fined for being unwell lets say i left not long after starting with quinns and wouldnt touch them with a barge pole and recommend that no one else does unless u wanna pay to make them money while there managers sit in the house and say get the jobs done we dont care if u cut corners but if u do its ur ass on the block

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

That's me then. I will not be following up my initial interest and save myself a wad of money and grief. The job agencies are the culprits here as they spin you a load of white lies to get their cut. they are not interested once you are through the door. Email going to the agency in a bit to say withdrawing my application. Stblaze all my concerns were covered in your post As a BT engineer i struggled to do 4 installs in a day if they were all over head and in a fairly local patch that I knew so this is not for me Ta. No access is a good one. not thought of that. 40 mile journeys for nothing i don't think so.

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

i had to make the post mate because i didnt want guys going into something that looked good and then walking into the world of crap i did im not usually one for making post like that but i had to there because its exploitation our game is being ruined by companies like this as they know were all in the position were there is not much work the now and most guys need to accept it or sign on for the most part there taking on untrained guys and i mean untrained ie butcher bakers and candle stick makers giving them 5 days training at pqms then right out in the field most of them dont even know the basic functions of a 9083 then uve got auditors measuring ur distance between cleats and staples and giving u a critical defect if there just over .its a joke it really is im all for guys working but the longer we accept these crazy work conditions the longer they will do it to us and get worst as ive been told the contact terms ae changing in march and the money is going down

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

Thanks very much for that post !

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

Well good luck guys I got my mj quinn rejection letter this morning. Apparantly my crb disclosure means I'm too much of a risk. With they had told me 4weeks ago when offering me the position. I've knocked back 3 jobs in that time

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

im worreid about my crb check too, my last offence was over 6 years ago and i think it is spent but on the form they want to know if you have had any offences in the last 10 years, i thought a crb only goes back 5 years. will they find out what a naughty boy i was in my teens lol?

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

Some offences are sent in 5 years of they didn't involve imprisonment. Don't put it on the form if you think it's not on your crb. Cos they will just knock you back

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

Hello Gateshead did u sent Ur passport copies,driving license etc for crb

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Hello Gateshead if not u just gave address and dob for crb

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

Yes sent the lot

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

have u sent scanned copies of all documents or just dob and address

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

Photocopies by post

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

I'm out !!!

Pile of sh*t

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

The way they're going they will have nobody to recruit. Cheeky sods knocking me back

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

is it regarding crb or anything else mate

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

hi all iv been booked on to the mj quinn course for bt contract in cov just wondered ...is the course difficult to pass? what does it consist ov on the theory side ov it??

are the vans tracked ??

do they issue all the kit needed to carry out the gruft first time ie uniforms tablet fone tools consumables etc ?? , where do you pick up stock from if based in the east midlands

what if u need time off whats the score ?? as they dont offer holiday pay sick pay due to bieng registered selfemployed etc

any info would be much appriciated guys

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

hello every one mj quinn contract lost in south.................any info???????????

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

anyone heard anything else? ive been told im definitely on the course for the 18th of march and only some people have had their course dates knocked back until 1st april. but that is literally all I have heard, I should be fine with the crb check as I have a clean history and crb done last year. getting a bit concerned now as its getting close to my supposed course date and everytime I speak to peopleline, the response I get is: they will be in touch shortly, and that was last week! can anyone shed any light? cheers :)

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

BT customers seem to have more problems with Quinn's contractors than Kelly's, not the lads fault more likely the lack of full training and the "pay per job" ethos that Quinn's force you on.

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

Hi all, anyone had their course cancelled for the 18 and has anyone been accepted on the course for 18.

My mate got knocked back with crb check, one strike and he was refused the course on 18th.
Message to MJ.Quinn do you know there are over 1000 serving police officers with criminal records, such as theft, assault, fraud etc, etc

MJ Quinn should take an honest look at their integrity, my mates a guy lets himself down ONCE he knows it will never happen again. But how can you convince a prospective employer without been given a chance.

Give guys like him a chance

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

I was in for the 18th but not bothering, too many unknowns and what i have heard does not fill me with any confidence that in 3 weeks time I will not be jobless and out of pocket. Sent email to agency and Quinns a week ago and yet I still get a call this week about sorting out my course even though i have not returned any paperwork. I am out of pocket by £25(single ticket to liverpool)and that's enough for me. When I worked for BT I used to come across contractors sleeping in exchanges (not allowed) now i understand why. poor guys were trying make the the job worth it pay wise. believe me there is no way i would sleep in any exchange. Also the BT network in many areas is old and a mess. so you could quite easily spend a whole day on one job and not have anything to show for it at the end of the day. good luck and if you do go for it let us know how you get on for sure.

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach CRB CHECKS
 

what type of crb check do mj quinn do? ,

-BASIC
-STANDARD or
-ENHANCED

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Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

M.J.Quinn (HAHA)
My Personnel experience of Quinns, never pay Out of Area Pay on Time.
I Waited over 3 Months after phoning the company and agency numerous times.
you need to pay for your accommodation when out of Area which is expensive cheapest £30 night which Quinns will give £30 day Out of Area Pay which you work 2 weeks in arrears but then you will need to pay for you fuel and food when away.
Quinns also Do Not give you fuel Card.
You will Need Money to start working for Quinns about £1500 to see you buy for first two weeks.
The Pay Depot have negative attitude towards you and never help.
All I will say is Quinns only care about money they earn not about there staff.
Ask the Question What is Staff Turnover?????????

if you need any further info please contact me..

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Agree.......

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

I was meant to be doing the training with them. Then after booking a hotel at the cost of £100 I was rang by some horrible cow from mj Quinn saying that there was now no work in my area. But i was speaking to a bt engineer and he said that quinn's have made such a mess to start with that bt have pulled some of the work with them, hence no work for me which is not such a big problem apart from I knocked back some work a week before.

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

due a 13 day course in march not sure now,notts area.

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like your honest thread.

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i so wish i had read this before shelling out for my hotel. they have been awful with me. just wish i hadnt knocked back some work i was offered a week ago!!

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

hi all, ive been with MJ Quinns since August i'd never worked on the BT network but have worked on verious data networks, I done the 5 day course at PQMS with 9 ex openreach engineers and didnt have a clue what they where talking about. But if your willing to learn and take it on board PQMS can stand you in good stead and unlike the new starters i was alone from day 1. if your willing to work hard the pay is very rewarding.
ive worked away a few times and ive never had one bit of trouble getting the correct pay, yes you pay for your digs and your fuel but believe me your better off with quinns (example working away £42.25 per job x 4 a day=£169 a day do the same for kellys you get £100 a day, work it out on a weekly basis thats £845 for quinns and £500 for the same work at kellys. Plus you can claim a milage allowance with quinns as you pay for you fuel and you cant with kellys or should i say you shouldnt because they pay for the fuel).
also quinns are given new starter every possibility to become good at their job if they see a problem they'll not finish you straight away they try and and iron that problem out i.e further training, on a one to one basis. all the new starters in my area are loving it even them thats never worked on the network untill now, yes it can be stressful, yes it can be very hard at times, and yes some ppl feel like walking away, but which job is perfect 100% of the time. if your not willing to give your all then in any job then you might aswell stay in the dole cue.

thanks for reading my post and yes i'll answer any questions

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

was at pqms for streetworks cert what a load of poop that place is

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

hi all is any one due training soon not sure when the next course is in april.awaiting details from quinn now.

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

Quinns sound better to me ! ifn you are willing to try hard then it's a great job i have been doing it for 25 years BUT DONT EVER WORK for kellys they only pay £25 per job but if you have an e side problem and another enginner fixes it YOU LOSE £15 of your £25 they treat all engineers like crap unless you brown nose the bosses so they get there bonus. THay dont care about there staff you would be expected to work till midnight to complete the work, you might travel 500 miles in a day like i did from scotland to preston area, but if you dont complete you get a tenner i worked 14 hrs a day to start and earnt £128 for two weeks because they dont have a clue what there doing. AVOID kELLYS AT ALL COSTS .

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

Hey all is any1 on the course for 1st April

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers/ cowboys more like it
 

this MJ Quinn ltd is a pile of **** , iv never come across a more disorganised firm like this in my working life ,why are these big companies subbing out their work to these cowboy companies , there's no career progression working for these muppets , more like a form of modern slavery in return for crums deposited in your account. the lot ov them ,I hope mj Quinn and many other subby companies get their contracts cut from under their feet.

anyone looking for work don't be fooled by these clowns , poor training ,HR department is terrible , u have to pay for your own juice" fuel" WTF IN THIS RESSESION, LOL. no paid holiday , no sick pay , no nothing , no thank u I will pass, U loose any gear u have to replace it out ov ur own pocket , kellys even worse keep well far from this firm u will regret it

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DO NOT CONTRACT FOR MJ QUINNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Like giri5000said this cowboy company!!!! Unfortunately I found out the hard way! :dunce:
They will do everything to short change you and when you take out all you expenses, Fuel and hrs worked you'll be lucky to take home the minimum wage!!
I stupidly worked for them for 7 months and when I tell people how I was being treated (worse that DOG S%!T) over that time, no one believed me! They just don't give a DAMN about you!!!

If you went sick or on holiday they'll stop paying you! I found this out when I damaged my back so I contacted Mj Quinn's and told them via email because no one ever answers the phone. Next thing I know my agency contacts me, to tell me that Quinns had told them to stop my pay! They had the money but they put it on hold! My agency said they're on my side but won't do anything?
I was unable to work for over 2 weeks and the next thing I knew without warning Quinns came and collected my van with all my testers, tools, clothing I had bought to do the job and my tomtom. Totalling over £900. Plus they have two weeks of my wages which my agency told me via email (too gutless to ring me), that they had credited it back to Quinns and they also included an invoice from Quinns for £1174.50 for :-
£100 fuel. (I had £60 in fuel in the van)
£35 valet? (I kept the van clean)
£300 vehicle collection charge!!!!!! (We were told £200 if we didn't want to return the van and I was never given that option)
£120 spare key charge? (Replacement key from fords is no where near this cost)
£300 7" samsung tab2 and accs? (£149 from PC World)
£312 missing tooling? (All I have is 10 Traffic cones, 2 battery chargers and a torch)
£7.50 H&S booklet? (Never had one)

After going to the Police who manage to contact someone from Mj Quinns and got them to contact me. When they contacted me, I asked them to give me my tools back and I told them that they can have everything I have of theirs back any time. They said that they would get back to me but surprise, surprise they didn't and now they will not return my calls!!:shocked: Now they've not returned my calls this now a crime according to the police. So we will see tomorrow what will happens but I won't hold my breath! :mad:

I wish I left over the 2 week Christmas break like a lot of the contractors did and because they paid you over the shut down period. But I had no other job to go to and slave wages were better than JSA. Now I wish that I did do a runner because I would of been better off!

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!

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Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

does any one know what going on there mean to be taking on a other 450 engineers, I know the money is good I left kellys to go and work for them , but there a hold up in the contract, does any one have an idea

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

This is the biggest load of bull I've ever heard! You must either work for Quinns or that joke of a training company based in a freezing cow shed in the middle of nowhere, somewhere outside of Coventry?
Take it from me and I'm EX-BT with over 12 year experience as lines man! If you have no experience doing this job then you will be buddying another guy for over a month while not getting paid a penny and it will be costing hundreds pounds in fuel. Also the person you follow will not have time to show you what to do and hold your hand while he struggles to make a living. I've had ppl with no experience buddying up with me and you don't have the time to show them the ropes.
The agencies tell you it's only from the pole to the house but this is a lie because it's everything and more. Fault finding, swapping out pairs, pair proved to the DP but the customer is over a mile from the DP, Unable to get pair to DP but BT want you to do the fit for £10 and that could take 2 hours or more, 1 Openreach coach for 40 engineers, jobs disappear off your tab before you complete the job, 1 platform to cover whole area etc etc.

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

Can't believe another company is almost outdoing Kelly's as the worst Telco company to deal with. As an ex-bt man is makes me sick to see all the contracts going to these companies. Standards will drop, faults will rise. My ex-workmates are sick of clearing up the mess left by contractors. Simple dropwire work maybe but opening the network to them is like opening a can of worms!! BT or openreach will never learn!!

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I worked on the night shift completing LLU work, paid per hour, not per job. This ensured quality was good. Used to see loads of contractors sleeping in old redundant rooms at exchanges. The OBASS system let them in. The bigger exchanges were popular as some had old first aid rooms, complete with beds etc. They don't actually have on site security so your not disturbed. You could probably live in there for months without being found. Fully equipped kitchen, showers, rest room all rent free!!

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

12 years experience!! what a load of tosh, ive never known a DP being over a mile away!!!!!!!! i haven't even 12 months experience yet and its no where near as hard as your making out, fair enough I don't go into the UG network and only work on provides which is probably the easiest job on the BT NETWORK, but give me the tooling/laptop/plans that the openreach engineers have and I bet within 12days I can do the job.

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

If you read my posts then you would see that I contracted for MJ Quinns after I left BT!!!! :dunce:
You don't know what you're talking about! If you're working in the sticks (rural area) then the main DP could be miles from the EU, fed via aerial cable by carrier poles and not always straight outside the outside EU property! So you must be a either a MJ Quinns employee, Quinns manager or a Quinns performance improver!?! Well it's sound like you're up their ass?

Take it from any real person who has or is contracting for MJ Quinns, they're a bunch of thieving C*%TS!!!!!

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Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

Totally agree. In the home counties you can have over a mile from the DP. Try Norfolk or Suffolk where I was loaned out once and it's even worse. DACS, WB900, lead cable? Apparently these were all removed years ago but I know there are examples of these still in service!!! Line concentrators?? Probably aswell...:erm: Ever tried to look for a pillar in the countryside (a PCP but is a small post surrounded by overgrown shrubs), an SCP (a second cab basically). Maybe these jobs would be left to the professionals ...

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

I'm no KISS ARSE or anything else you mentioned i'm a contractor just like you but i'm not scared of a bit hard work, believe me its better than the dole que, and theres a lot worse contracts out there.

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Also you say you left BT before contracting, If BT is so good! why do so many leave to start contracting?????????.

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

I am currently working for MJ Quinns and it is a joke.
When on training course in March we were all assured by the HR Manager Jamie that we were picked because engineers were needed in our local areas.
I was also assured that I would be able to drop and pick up my son from childcare every day (7:30am and 6:30pm).
When we arrived at our induction in Liverpool four of the lads from Middlesbrough were given West Yorkshire as their patch!!!! Diesel alone uses up any wages made and bear in mind it's 2 weeks in hand!
Myself, I was buddied up for 5 weeks as someone smashed into my van. I then got the van back and was expected to travel 2 hours to my 1st job and be on site by 8am. I was given one morning appointment and 5 afternoon appointments. How can you do this and get back for childcare? Totally annoyed as I don't like being lied to. Why waste my time?
Also, never got paid out of area allowance. Watch them, they're a dodgy company.
After the van incident they've changed the policy so that YOU are liable for the 1st £1,000 excess. Park safely lads!!!!

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Wish I'd read your posts....experienced it all and now told them to stick it. Have now told engineers that they're liable for 1st £1,000 excess on any van damage after mine was smashed into whilst on the job!!!

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

I started last year and i was made aware of this from day one, but just like on any insurance policy there is an excess charge weather it be £50 or £5000 if its your fault you pay, if it is someone else's fault you go straight to their insurer then you don't need to pay an excess. also i understand people getting ****ed off if they were lied to but all i can say is i must be one of the lucky ones as ive never had any problems up to now, touch wood.

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

Loads left BT because they had a nice voluntary redundancy payout. Like me :) They thought the grass was greener on the other side, which it isn't, it's brown and almost dead ;)
When I had my basic training at BT in the nineties we had two weeks residential overhead training, two weeks resi fault finding and two weeks resi ug training. Then we were buddied upto 6 months. Even then the 'oldies' were saying it wasn't enough and didn't trust you. The job ain't changed that much since then, maybe shrink joints have pretty much vanished but that's about it with the exception of BB but we had ISDN and Home Highway circuits to deal with. On a seven hour shift you only had to complete 3 jobs. Jobs were completed properly. You have only to see what happened to the NTL/Virgin network when contract staff took over. We weren't even allowed to set foot into an exchange or touch a bar pair!!

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

No mate, they've just changed it......if they can't get the third party responsible for the damage then YOU have to pay the £1,000 excess.....your letter from them changing the conditions should drop through your letterbox any day now, mine has. SO, now you could be on an install and through no fault of your own have to pay £1000.
The damage to my van was done whilst I was inside a house and the 1st thing my manager asked was if I was on double yellow lines. Trying to stitch me up straight away.

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

hi guys im new here and dying to work for mj qiunns can anyone help me??? Iv filled and sent in all forms in april and i keep calling every few weeks and ask about a job but im starting to feel im getting fobbed off. Can anyone tell me when the last training session was? i live in birmingham but willing to travel to coventry and other areas close to brum, mj quinns said they have accepted me but i feel like i dont have the job. Help or advice anyone???

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

Hi all, I would like to share a few things about Quinns.
I started with Quinns 02/13, they said that you normaly get 5 jobs so I thought that it was good, get paid for 5 jobs a day,but they never mentioned that they can disapear overnight, they run a line test during the night and if the test has Ok for the results they take it off you, it happens almost every night!
They never mentioned anything about Npu's, I had to find out the hard way, Npu is a partial complete( if you can't bring dial tone to customer), in some jobs if it is all already there, Dropwire, nte, etc... It takes you from 30min to 1hr to find out that it is an Npu and you only get £10( believe me, it happen quite often), now lets say that you had to do a Full lead in(new dropwire from pole which can take up to 2 hrs depending on the location, plus the time to look for a pair from the Dp that you can use if your dial tone isnt there another 30mins) so 2hrs 30min for £10, great, and you have paid for your own fuel. So in my point of view you have completed your job, not your fault that is disconnected between dp and pcp(cab), but they dont care. If your Eside(Dial tone in cab) isnt there and you cant get any support, £10. Area manager is useless, dont evenknow him, never answer any phone calls, Mj quinn control never answer the phone as well, you can leave voicemail and they phone you back only if it is something that realy interest to them, if you try to talk to payroll than you better sit down and wait. You have to pay for fuel and the way they giving jobs to me is ridiculous, all over the place, 10 to 15 miles from each job and most of them country side( most likely to get problems), had much more bad experience with them since last february than I had in my entire life, they dont give a crap about you, Im still working with them just because I have family to look after, but will leave at the first opportunity! Im very disappointed. If anyone has any question please let me know, I'm more than happy to repply.

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

I'm trying to get in to MJ Quinns but recruitment is on hold I was told £750 per week gross 6 jobs a day. I have a family too. A son 16 months old. U gotta stay positive and cool u need to try talking to someone about ur issues there's ALOT worse out there and not much to choose from trust me I know sent hundreds of cv and all I get is agency dead end jobs. So trust me hand in there and think positive

Re: mj Quinn bt openreach engineers
 

Hi, I guess you talking about managing install which is completely diffrent than copper provision.
On copper provision ,the max you will get per week will be £600 gross, than you think, thats not too bad, but it will be a lot of hours, plus fuel etc.. whoever told you that is 6 jobs a day is out of reality, average is 20 jobs a week, you sometimes might get 6 jobs, but complete them is another story, something always happen, when you return a Npu £10 I'm sure everyone end up getting paid apart from you that actually did the job. Like today, I Had 5 jobs, only completed 3 the other 2 one was a no access(customer not at home, £0) and the other was a no access to DP£0, trust me, it happens daily.if i was doing 6 a day in 8 hrs job I would never complain about the job, hope you get the job so you see yourself. You might do 6 a day easy on managing install, fiber broadband, guess they pay £25 per job, but they dont have much work on this cause it is very easy and Openreach give more of this to their Paye.

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I have a few mates that work for BT direct and said its an easy job and my em times better then working for virgin media. I start training on the15thvof this month in Liverpool so maybe u should try to move to installs. So if I get an nbi can't I just ask for another job to make up for it? When I was working for map group they used to force us another job even if we didnt have the time.

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Plus being self employed is good right? It has urs benfits? First time for me. I thinks it's good cuz u can claim money back and get a big rebate every year.

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Your mates are right, job is easy but some takes over 2 hrs, Im on copper provision, I like the job, it is just the way Quinns want you to do it, I use to always ask for more work but they never have it and if they do, the locations are crazy, I was in Newbury once, lost a few jobs, asked for more and they asked me to go to Bath!Im not sure if Quinns does any managing install.you do get nice days with nice jobs but you get **** ones more often, today I had 5 and completed 4, lost one cancelled by customer, so 7 so far this week, tried to phone them for more but it is waste of time, they never answer the phone! So far I've been involved in 3 different patch, 3 different openreach coach and only one is good and helpful, the other 2 are bad, they hardly help you.
My experience with Quinns is that you are just a spare number on their list, I've been contracting for over 2years now and I can tell you that Quinns so far is the worst, when you do your training, induction etc. I bet they wont mention about jobs disappearing from your tablet overnight and Npu's ( this one is a Joke) , even an Openreach coach said to me that £10 is Pathetic, and that Quinns definitely get paid for it. Good luck and hope your experience with Quinns be the best.

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I'm off to liverpool in a few weeks time training on a five day course with mj quinns i've asked a few engineers but no one will give me a straight answer, all i want to know is what does the training consist of. I already have my C&G 3667 for structured cabling. Is it all health and saftey stuff????

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Mj Quinns are trying to recruit a load of ex MOD like openreach did last year

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I've read the entire thread on this company, and though I am incredibly worried about what might lerk in the near future with expenses of fuel, traveling long distances, van, tools ect. what am I to do? I have no job and I have been without a job for over three month now, and feel disheartened by that fact. What should I do? work for this company and have the likeihood of me staying their for a few months and then probably ranting about this company after? or be miserable, and still be collecting that stupid dull money.

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Unfortunately it's almost impossible to get into Openreach as they seem to be contracting out even more now. Depends how much patience you have!
;)

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Anyone know the code for the transit van?

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Hi,

Same question ...
I have been offered a training course by kelly's and MJ Quinn for next week and am really undecided on which company to go for.

I have 13 years experience with BT as a linesman, so I know the ropes, but have been out of the loop for 7years or so.

I have been unemployed for 3 months so after reading all the bad comments I really have no choice but to give them a try... but the question is which one!!

Any comments appreciated.

Sean

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Hi Sean
Both Kely and Quinn are quite similar ( not good companys to work for) but apparently Kelly is worst than Quinns. I currently work for Quinns and I shared I few things in previous comments on this thread. If you go for Copper Provision the rates are:
Zone 1 0-6 miles £28.50
Zone 2 6-40 miles £30 .75
Zone 3 40-60 miles £33.75
Zone 4 over 60 miles £42.25
You have to pay your own fuel, for me it is zone 2 everyday and I do between 400 to 500 miles a week, £100 average on fuel expenses. Most of the weeks I complete 20 jobs zone 2. Since february only twice I completed 25 a week.
Kelly pays £25.00 per job but you have fuel card.
Whatever they say to you that you can complete over 25 etc... Thats ********! Dont believe on that, they probably have guys that make it but they are company's favourits.
Have a look at my other comments about Npus etc...
Im not happy with them but at the end of the day it is better than nothing, so if you are unemployed better take it and see how it goes!
Hope that helps.

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Hi Ukjay,
I know the job I have been offered from Quinn is not copper provision, I am on Managed Install & BT Vision training so I believe it's just install so the line should be in situ.
Zones rates are lower 20-30.00

Kellys is The provision of the overhead line from the DP to the customers property – Involving Copper Installation, Connectivity, Line testing and Poling duties, so thats the 25.00 per job as you said with fuel card.

Sean

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Hi
I heard that they pay £22.50 on managed install, not sure if it id true or not.
Take care

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Yes that tru. They pay more depending on how far u travel. Iv seen good things so far. U can earn a lot of money on M I
recomend it to anyone. Iv only been here a couple of weeks but did work for Map group/ virgin media. Which was a joke! Ur always getting screwed over. But not at Quinns.

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Anoop Johal .... Do you work for quinns on Managed install?

I have been offered a course next week though not sure whether to go for it or kelly's.

Cheers

Sean

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Managed installs I went to MJ Quinns for the training course iv heard Kelly's ain't too good

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Right guys its simple its as easy as you make it's if you got a fear of height , go home your no good it's just 6 step up the pole two wire a butt phone, and tdr meter and your 9083 metre it's dead simple it's half hour work, 28 quid I can do a full job in 40 min, m j quinine got there own e side guys, if your e side dead just phone roting up asked for spares, 9 time out of 10 get your phone ring the number guess what, your number at the top, it's really not that hard, at all or you can get a stop line at the top just press 8 on the butt phone. It's people who don't want to work, why do you want the guys to run around when you not carried out simple steps, it's so easy it's unreal. If you can't climb your wasting your time. Simple as that. It's easy to do 8 a day if you don't **** about saying oh the pole can be climb, if its in date jump up there, after a couple of times your be like wtf.
Follow the step let the rest come to you. It's dead simple. Look at its this way, you **** around, the help not going to be there, Bt knows when your talking crap. They got there own systems. M j quints all the way. Good team good people. Hard work = pound notes. Just man up and climb the rest will come. Remember 2 wires back to a pop. Not rocket sciences ...... Rant over best wishes

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The funny thing it's make me laugh I've been doing this least then 2 months, it's crazy at times we know, but come on its really not that hard, I always say its best to learn, above a shop it's the same dp at the one at the top master that in a couple of goes, you be fine, fear of height, go rock climbing indoor, you get better each day, life not easy but hard work sure does paid off,, learn to used the 9083 meter and your be fine, but if you can't be asked to take on board what being said ... No one going to care, so boom, I'm no ass licker I like money it's a good earner, tip for new guys buy FB keys, lots of time waste without them, it's dead simple, the tools are there just listen, and jobs are not more then 10 miles apart.
Dead simple, so just man up....... Go out there earn the dish take the wife on holiday buy a new car, let me say this CASH. Just be safe and enjoy its. It's a good life.

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Hi Arthur
Do you work for Quinns? If you do please let me know what patch you on, cause it looks like it is a heavens patch!! 90% of the time dial tone at DP?
8jobs a day?
Man you are talking just like the Quinns managers, all that you wrote aint true and if you work in the field you know that.
The job is dead easy but the thread is all about Mjquinn as a company not about the job itself. Do you agree with npu's? Looks like you never one for someone that does 8jobs a day. I can do 8 jobs a day provide they All in situ and I dont need hoist, Eside support etc... What you saying is just out of reality.

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Forgot to add, so you can do a full job in 40min? New dropwire from the pole to customer with dial tone in it, your Line tested ok? Full job in 40min Lol, you are so funny!

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We don't go up poles. We just connect E and D to D slam and, go to house change phone socket set up modem and router to pc or laptop and away u go. Yes 40 minutes. The buddy I was with did 9 jobs in 8 hours. That's what's up.

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I'm on the east London patch yeah full job the biggest problem people have its used the 9083 meter, touch the screw with the with the x100 loop on, I'm alway on my first job at 7.30 am !!! when its a npu !!! Get a spare from the routing, phone hub say e 265 example asked the tone down the line, bang you now prove your new e side , it's now become a com, there no need for a npu, fit does not need to be done if there going to a problem with its, simple step make life easy, do you know how not to get batt or earth contract, that what the meter for, I've got nothing bad to say about m j quinns, lol 9 job on the Mi lol I do them in 3 hours lol I've got pal earn 2000 grand a week on that doing 15 20 a day. Hoist, what do you need that for, if its not broke at the pole open the pit, do its from there, and if you do the push thought on the pair you was giver, the dial tone should be there, I alway on my first job at 7.30work from pcp to dp, just phone routing asked for d side that are going to the dp. Chance are there is one just used the tdr on the d side. Going back push thought, phone the number your hear a cracking noise, bob your uncle, you must be very slow. What does its take to run a drop wire, 10 min, at the most. Always when you get your job the day before, phone them up the day before. So they know your going to be banging on the door at 8am get there for 7.30 if the e side ok if not, by 8 am you know what the problem is and boom you should have your job 1 first job done by 8.30am. By the way everyone that covers London is a ex Bt engineer. It's call working hard. Why not test the line at the pcp with a socket on the end of its. Simple step allow you to have no problem with anything it's how you follow them. It's like if I've got a problem with my e side it's bang over to the e side, you asked him to test the line his side. That way there is no problem. I just don't mess around mate. Ive got 8 step I follow them and have no problems. Easy life rant over and did work for Kelly's for 6 months ****ing that a joke of a company. Poor in every way. Training ****, I couldn't do 3 a day with them, I wish I was a manager I would sack half of the guy that talk ****.

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Yeah 40 min, I don't know how slow you are but come on its 2 wire a bit of cable to the wall away you go.

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I tell you what, I know how to do the job and know how to use all the tools etc... I can also phone the routing as well as the Bt hub. When I mentioned hoist I realy meant to say the line is disconnected on the D Pole.
There is no person on earth that can do a full lead in from the pole, jumper in pcp plus end user fitting in 40min!!!! You are out of your mind or you must be superman!!!When you have a Npu you are still required to the the fitting at EU. East London can be a bit easier as there maybe always will be someone on the exchange!
Im also talking about Copper provision not MI.

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Arthur Davis - I spent 20 years at BT, 12 as a engineer and 8 as a planner. I read your post and found it hard to believe that any engineer - no matter how how experienced or good he is can run a dropwire from the NTE to the pole (to the required standard), then prove E & D sides in 40 mins, you must be doing a botch job mate..

I work out of Thames Side but have been working in East London this week. As an ex BT engineer I am fully equipped to do the job, I do on average 6 jobs a day and like to think that I am good at the job..

We must catch up one day - I want to see where i m going wrong... ;)

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I do get the jobs done in a good 9 time out of ten, if I'm on my first job at 7.30 am then yeah I can do its, I didn't say the full job in 40 min, you see what I do why it's light and we got time say I finish at 5pm and I've got my job for torr, I would phone the first eu up, the night before, then what I would do is go and check my e side for all the jobs, so I know what ones have got to be sorted. You got half a chance if you do it's that way, I think it's must be the areas after all, I got a job today no matter what I didn't nothing work only to find its router some where else. The e side guys in east London are very quick, I say. Yeah the areas are the common problems, as I found out. So my post for the 40 min mark is a bit of cause where I check the day before. What get on my tits is that we moan over things that are over the top. I love the job I think Jamie is a great guy got me right upto to speed in areas I didn't know nothing about. So that I'm thankful for. M j quinns all the way me thinks. And every jobs is great work. I replaces all wired. So really all my point was its a good job but its not for you if your scard of heights. That its

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BEWARE MJ QUINN! I only post this message as a warning to all who want to apply to this company. They will tell you that you will make 600-1000 pounds a week. You will most likely not. What I can guarantee you will pay out is:

15-20 pounds for every tire with a nail/screw. You WILL pay for this.
Diesel. at least 80-100 pounds a week so subtract that from your wages.
Taxes of course.
Van insurance, if you have any problems such as an accident, dent, scratch, your deductible will be at least 500-1000 pounds.
You will be expected to be on site at 0800 no matter how far it is from your home, and work until the job is done no matter if that is 1600 or 2000. I was told yesterday that we are not allowed to send jobs back if it is too late and we are to work until the job is finished. This is true.
Training costs with the new improved contract is 130 pounds per day, which
you will be required to pay back if you do not work at least 6 months after training. 130X13=£1690.
Dont forget about fines from auditors who will inspect your work and
decide if it passes inspection. They will take this right out of your paycheck.
10 point defect will cost you £100.

IN MY OPINION AS AN EMPLOYEE DO NOT WORK FOR THIS COMPANY!!!
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am being very conservative in my opinion, but please heed my advice.
I do not want anybody to experience the headache I have had to endure.
This is not a good company to work for in my opinion.
I dont care what they are offering you. It will not be worth it in the end.
I can guarantee that.

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If anybody would like to say otherwise please add your input. You cannot polish a turd I don't care what kind of crap you are selling.

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Hi I am thinking of joining MJ Quinn (Yorkshire area). What are they like to work for? Do you get a van, fuel card and tools provided? and like Openreach engineers do you get the BT infinity package free? what other benefits are there to working for them? Thanks

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Read the thread. It doesn't appear you get anything you are looking for.

I could of course be wrong.

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yep gotta meet this guy too.
ive heard of a few 'engineers'on quinns that are knocking out 6-8 complete jobs every day but they are looked after by senior 'managers' in head office and only work in areas where theres flats and new housing developments, if they get cancellations they are topped up with more work while the rest of us end up with **** all. plus most of them work away from home so dont care how many hours a day they work. they like you Arthur are carving up the job as quinns managers seem to think you can do 8 jobs a day safely and within openreachs quality rules.. you cannot do a quality full install in 40minutes whilst adhering to all the safety rules , parking restrictions ( in my area you will be lucky if your van is 100 yards away from the premises) etc.you definitely sound like a quinns manager and more than likely from the mersey area.
the rest of us are struggling with either lack of support from quinns and openreach, jobs not appointed correctly by cp's, lack of fluid work, customers who dont know what day of the week it is, etc etc etc etc.
like rapicom i have over 20 years BT experience and i can only conclude it because i know how to do the job properly that i cant / wont slash my way through 8-10. jobs thats if i was priveliged enough to get given that amount.
quinns engineers that say they do the same amount of comps every day are full of it, same as on BT , every day/job is different and al the time we are treated like production line workers things can only get worse.

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just joined this forum and this stevetoon sounds like aquinns manager thru and thru or he is letting the job go to his head as you will not see every scenario in the very short time hes been on and back when i started on Bt in the 1980's he would have been brought down to earth very quickly by his senior colleagues as he sounds like a bit of a know it all.

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Why would you get BT Infinity free if you don't work for BT?

Why did you leave BT?

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Does anybody have any knowledge what the contract/conditions of employment are with Capital Outsourcing Group?

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Hi All
Just joined and find it very intresting reading about MJ Quinns. As an ex contractor for them i must agree with mjquinnemployee. I left in the new year as they are not what they say they are (unless things have changed).
I could go on and on about how bad it was, just glad i got out when i did. Along with the 30+ engineers who were jacking on a weekly basis.

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arnt they just another quinns agency in disguise ??.
quinns are having to use different agencies/ names as they are running out of people to employ. i have heard they are now shipping over engineers from portugal to work in london as the turnover of staff there is so high as they are basing there rates of pay on the cost of living in the north, not the south. ;).

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i left because it was being run by a load of spiv pikeys and i was made a good offer. . unfortunatley through a turn of fate i am now:( working for another load of pikeys, quimms.

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I am not being funny guys iv just joined the site. But i have worked for quinns for the past year and still do. I have read a lot of bitching about fines and jobs not being there traveling ect. I think it a really good company to work for apart from the first month or two when your geting used to things i have never taken home under £600 and have earnt £1000 a week. so what if you have to travel its a job at the end of the day suck it up and get on with it. The moneys there if your prepared to work for it. and once you get good at it you can do 8-10 jobs a day. And to a good standard. you damage your van you pay for it would it be any diffrent with your car???? if your looking to join and are lucky enough to get picked go for it guys i think its easy money. if anyone needs some real answers on working for quinns message me. and ignore half the bollocks people are shouting about on here.:):) Ranting over!!!

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are Quinns setting on in the Notts area ?

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I have been working for the company myself for about 4 months now. As an ex BT engineer doing the job was no problem but it took a couple of weeks to get use to the MJ Quinn system.. There is plenty of work if you want it with the potential to earn good money but you have to be willing to work for it..

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does anyone have the email or contact number for Quinns ?

Ive just left working for Fushitsu on the Virgin contract

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Warning to anyone considering working as a frames guy for quinns DONT!!!! The company is s**t 50 hour week take home pay £320 do the maths its minimum wage. I also average 200 miles a day and spend at least £100 a week on fuel £90 per day is a joke. Plus watch it when you return your vehicle the horror stories are true. All irrelevant now as I jacked it in this week

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another senior :mad:quinns manager or are you related to someone in the office. ??.

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good on you mate, the pay for frames guys on quinns is rubbish for what is expected. i know guys who worked from 8 til 8 for £90 and still got a bollocking because they had not done all their work.:mad:

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first time visitor to this site. some interesting comments. i used to work for VM on fujitsu glasgow contract, the wages where reasonable but had problems getting the right pay due to wages being processed down south (apparently) had to log job codes and was getting messed around, long hourse etc........i have been offered to go to an induction/training in coventry with kelly group. is it worth it? i prseume i would be working glasgow regio or perhaps aberdeen if willing to travel? someone who is working the now for them please advise me...? i heard the money making can be good? also how do i apply for mj quinns? glasgow region also...thanks lads....

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nope just a lonely enginner like ever1 else lol i really dont see the problem. well iv certainly never had 1.

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i worked for Fujitsu, and the day before i was goin for my training with kelly's, at the same depot, they took me off the course because i had worked for fujitsu apparently..

Kelly's had 3 months at the notts depot yet ive just been told they have now gone because they tendered too high for the contract.

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There seems to be a theme to this thread. It being that the pay is promising, but the repercussions for faults is unfair. For example, 10pt defect fines, van damage fines, etc.

All engineers are employed on a self employed basis.

Therefore, lets say you worked as a self employed as a plasterer, for example. If you lost your tools, who would pay for them? If you damaged your van, who would pay for it? If you did a poor job for a customer, who would be held responsible?

Welcome to the real world, fellas.

There are engineers who live in Lancs, that have worked hard and now are bashing out 6-10 jobs a day in places like Glasgow on £42.50 an hour.

All applicants please note. This job is not easy and you are self employed and accountable for your work and equiptment. But you get out, what you put in.

If you're lazy, shabby and dozey when applying youself to your work. You're prone to making errors which will result in costs. Just like any other SELF EMPLOYED work.

I think this is just another example of the "something for nothing" Britain we live in today.

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Cld1987. You sound like another manager but you make some good points.
Do you know how to apply to Mj Quinn's ? I'm looking for a contact based in Scotland. Thanks