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driz 21-05-2013 13:25
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
[img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

Slightly fluffy blue line with lower base latency to smaller blue line with higher latency without a resync, still fastpath.

Summary: Mystery BT network does stuff

Qtx 21-05-2013 20:46
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by driz (Post 35574124)
Summary: Mystery BT network does stuff
1 or 2ms increase isn't too bad, does make you wonder what changed though!

Still in the first 24 hours of the new fibre install but its looking as good as I had it at my previous home. Moved out of London so wasn't sure what to expect.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2013/05/17.png

Few bumps was me doing stuff.

pabscars 21-05-2013 22:25
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Sweet base latency Qtx

Qtx 21-05-2013 22:51
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pabscars (Post 35574346)
Sweet base latency Qtx
Think its 1ms higher than at the last place but im not complaining :D

Not sure if I have been lucky or if all their new fibre installs are as good. Stress testing the connection at the moment, just nice to get off the wifi hotspot through my mobile even though it served me well.

driz 22-05-2013 09:38
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
I reconnected a couple of times last night to try to get a different IP and lower things - the big red line while DNS updates.

Then it seems over night there's been 3 different states and 5 changes between these. Odd.

That graph is brilliant Qtx, gonna move to sky I think. Any chance of a tracert to qw.foppa.dk?

Qtx 22-05-2013 11:15
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by driz (Post 35574383)
Any chance of a tracert to qw.foppa.dk?
Did a few tracerts and they all came back pretty much the same with a huge jump at 4.69.166.22 which is the second hop on the route owned by Level 3 (195.50.122.113 being theirs too and obviously where they peer with sky).

C:\>tracert qw.foppa.dk

Spoiler: 
Tracing route to qw.foppa.dk [89.104.194.146]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms <1 ms 1 ms SkyRouter.Home [192.168.0.1]
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 9 ms 6 ms 7 ms ip-84-38-37-10.easynet.co.uk [84.38.37.10]
4 12 ms 7 ms 7 ms ip-84-38-37-106.easynet.co.uk [84.38.37.106]
5 5 ms 5 ms 5 ms 195.50.122.113
6 28 ms 28 ms 28 ms 4.69.166.22
7 28 ms 28 ms 27 ms ae-57-222.ebr2.London1.Level3.net [4.69.153.133]
8 28 ms 29 ms 28 ms ae-47-47.ebr2.Amsterdam1.Level3.net [4.69.143.77]
9 28 ms 29 ms 28 ms ae-24-24.ebr1.Amsterdam1.Level3.net [4.69.143.65]
10 38 ms 28 ms 28 ms ae-48-48.ebr2.Dusseldorf1.Level3.net [4.69.143.210]
11 28 ms 28 ms 28 ms ae-23-23.ebr1.Dusseldorf1.Level3.net [4.69.143.189]
12 28 ms 27 ms 28 ms ae-1-7.bar1.Copenhagen1.Level3.net [4.69.142.169]
13 28 ms 28 ms 27 ms ae-0-10.bar1.Copenhagen2.Level3.net [4.69.137.154]
14 29 ms 28 ms 28 ms 212.73.252.6
15 26 ms 26 ms 26 ms 93.176.94.135
16 25 ms 25 ms 26 ms 37.49.139.102
17 25 ms 25 ms 25 ms dist01b.ip.comendo.com [89.104.192.66]
18 26 ms 25 ms 25 ms klyden.foppa.dk [89.104.194.146]

Trace complete.


Also a simple ping:

Spoiler: 
C:\>ping -t qw.foppa.dk

Pinging qw.foppa.dk [89.104.194.146] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 89.104.194.146: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=56
Reply from 89.104.194.146: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=56
Reply from 89.104.194.146: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=56
Reply from 89.104.194.146: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=56
Reply from 89.104.194.146: bytes=32 time=26ms TTL=56
Reply from 89.104.194.146: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=56
Reply from 89.104.194.146: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=56
Reply from 89.104.194.146: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=56
Reply from 89.104.194.146: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=56
Reply from 89.104.194.146: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=56
Reply from 89.104.194.146: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=56
Reply from 89.104.194.146: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=56
Reply from 89.104.194.146: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=56
Reply from 89.104.194.146: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=56
Reply from 89.104.194.146: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=56
Reply from 89.104.194.146: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=56
Reply from 89.104.194.146: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=56
Reply from 89.104.194.146: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=56
Reply from 89.104.194.146: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=56
Reply from 89.104.194.146: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=56
Reply from 89.104.194.146: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=56
Reply from 89.104.194.146: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=56
Reply from 89.104.194.146: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=56
Reply from 89.104.194.146: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=56

Ping statistics for 89.104.194.146:
Packets: Sent = 24, Received = 24, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 25ms, Maximum = 28ms, Average = 25ms
Control-C
^C
C:\>

driz 22-05-2013 11:26
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
That's brilliant, thanks. Jump is probably an artifact of MPLS since every hop is around 25-28ms afterwards.

Qtx 22-05-2013 12:29
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Yeah, always see that happen on transit routes out of the UK.

Nice pings for the gaming servers I use too

Spoiler: 
C:\>tracert 94.76.229.7

Tracing route to quakelive.london.i3d.net [94.76.229.7]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms SkyRouter.Home [192.168.0.1]
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 9 ms 8 ms 8 ms ip-84-38-37-10.easynet.co.uk [84.38.37.10]
4 13 ms 7 ms 7 ms te0-0-0-5.er11.thlon.ov.easynet.net [89.200.135.135]
5 7 ms 7 ms 8 ms the-linx.as29550.net [195.66.224.223]
6 8 ms 8 ms 8 ms a.1.magic-the.as29550.net [217.112.81.90]
7 8 ms 8 ms 7 ms quakelive.london.i3d.net [94.76.229.7]

Trace complete.



Spoiler: 
C:\ping -t 94.76.229.7

Pinging 94.76.229.7 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=59
Reply from 94.76.229.7: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=59

Ping statistics for 94.76.229.7:
Packets: Sent = 42, Received = 42, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 7ms, Maximum = 8ms, Average = 7ms
Control-C
^C

driz 23-05-2013 09:54
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Very nice - has convinced me to switch from BT. Sick of getting 20ms to London servers because of everything going to Sheffield and back (and I'm in London zone 3).

Chrysalis 23-05-2013 11:01
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
yes I dont know why BT have such bizzare routing.

even much smaller isps like zen have PoPs in every major city. Yet BT seem limited to routing through a dozen or so PoPs around the country causing indirect routes, and even weirder can be if you somewhere like london you an still get routed via sheffield. This is a problem BT have had for decades. Its a good reason to sign up to a LLU provider who bypass BTs network.

here is mine to the 2 destinations QTX posted and I am on fast path. note the jump to ealing hop.

Code:
qw.foppa.dk

 1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  home.gateway [192.168.1.253]
 2    6 ms    5 ms    5 ms  bt.gateway [217.32.144.166]
 3    6 ms    6 ms    6 ms  bt.internal [217.32.144.190]
 4    8 ms    7 ms    8 ms  213.120.181.246
 5    8 ms    7 ms    7 ms  217.41.169.213
 6    8 ms    7 ms    7 ms  bt.internal [217.41.169.109]
 7    7 ms    7 ms    7 ms  109.159.251.249
 8    18 ms    23 ms    23 ms  core2-te-0-13-0-10.ealing.ukcore.bt.net [109.159
251.179]
 9    17 ms    17 ms    18 ms  peer1-xe3-2-1.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net [109.159.2
4.209]
10    18 ms    17 ms    17 ms  xe-2-3-0-0.ldn1nqp1.uk.ip.tdc.net [195.66.236.64

11    30 ms    30 ms    78 ms  ae0-0.boanqp7.dk.ip.tdc.net [83.88.23.196]
12  198 ms  209 ms  207 ms  62.243.244.238
13    33 ms    33 ms    33 ms  klyden.foppa.dk [89.104.194.146]
Code:
  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  home.gateway [192.168.1.253]
  2    5 ms    5 ms    5 ms  bt.gateway [217.32.144.166]
  3    6 ms    6 ms    6 ms  bt.internal [217.32.144.206]
  4    8 ms    8 ms    8 ms  213.120.181.246
  5    8 ms    7 ms    7 ms  217.41.169.213
  6    8 ms    8 ms    7 ms  bt.internal [217.41.169.109]
  7    7 ms    7 ms    7 ms  acc2-10GigE-9-3-0.sf.21cn-ipp.bt.net [109.159.25
1.223]
  8    17 ms    16 ms    20 ms  core2-te0-5-0-7.ealing.ukcore.bt.net [109.159.25
1.151]
  9    23 ms    23 ms    23 ms  peer4-te0-5-0-5.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net [109.159
.254.169]
 10    18 ms    22 ms    17 ms  hex89-linx.as29550.net [195.66.236.223]
 11    16 ms    16 ms    16 ms  vl668.the-7600.as29550.net [92.48.95.14]
 12    32 ms    36 ms    48 ms  a.1.magic-the.as29550.net [217.112.81.90]
 13    18 ms    18 ms    18 ms  quakelive.london.i3d.net [94.76.229.7]

pabscars 23-05-2013 22:09
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Anybody else seeing this on their graph

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...23-05-2013.png

Qtx 23-05-2013 23:50
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Lots of hops there Chrys! The routing truly does suck on BT.

Not on my graph here Pabscar. The timing of that hump makes me think Sky was possibly doing some work during the quiet hours that affected you.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...23-05-2013.png

My Synology NAS is up and running now, with a healthy download queue :cleader:

pabscars 24-05-2013 00:58
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
cheers Q, yes I thought as much, always worth checking though :)

craigj2k12 25-05-2013 16:56
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
1 Attachment(s)
I had the same, no idea what it was but back to normal now

Qtx 25-05-2013 17:31
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Maybe a location or route you both have in common. Shout if you want to compare tracerts to TBB.

pabscars 25-05-2013 20:39
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35575715)
Maybe a location or route you both have in common. Shout if you want to compare tracerts to TBB.
Cheers will do, all back to normal now :)

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...25-05-2013.png

Qtx 05-06-2013 19:46
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Seeing a pattern with the peaks here, could it be DLM? Don't think the NAS is doing anything that would cause them and they were there before I started a big download queue in the early hours of the morning


http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...05-06-2013.png

craigj2k12 06-06-2013 03:03
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
seems to be consistent with Sky graphs

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2013/06/69.png

pabscars 06-06-2013 10:44
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Agreed, mine has had spikes like that since day one

Qtx 06-06-2013 13:24
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Interesting! So no one knows what causes it?

Obviously there is no impact on our connections but I would still like to know if it is caused by x or y on Sky's network or if its something to do with the route to TBB for example.

A little puzzle for sure :)

Edit: Just a thought, could the sky tv box be causing it? I might unplug mine from the network to test it

driz 06-06-2013 13:30
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Are you all using the Sky Hub too?

I'm supposedly getting activated today so will be able to add to this discussion later. Maybe.

Qtx 06-06-2013 14:15
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Sky's SR101 hub here. Never used to get the pattern at my old address using the same hub though, although I suspect the pattern would also be seen there now.

Mick Fisher 06-06-2013 14:57
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Mines still about the same as always?

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...06-06-2013.png

craigj2k12 06-06-2013 15:32
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35580398)
Interesting! So no one knows what causes it?
Nope, and I am using the Linksys E4200 running DDWRT connected straight to the OR modem

Quote:
Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35580398)
Obviously there is no impact on our connections but I would still like to know if it is caused by x or y on Sky's network or if its something to do with the route to TBB for example.
Its definitely unique to Sky and happens across both ECI and Huawei kit

Quote:
Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35580398)
Edit: Just a thought, could the sky tv box be causing it? I might unplug mine from the network to test it
Nope, dont have Sky TV


interestingly though, I used to have different patterns before my DLM profile change last week:

Before -

Day of change -

Ever since -


Qtx 06-06-2013 15:47
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
I'm stumped them considering Mick's post (you had to be different! :D) and yours Craig. I would have put it down to routing/a common hop if yours was not DLM related but instead a route change which increased your min latency to TBB.

This is gonna bug me now :(

craigj2k12 06-06-2013 16:06
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Maybe its the internal firmware updates they are rolling out to resolve the "half speed" issue?

---------- Post added at 16:06 ---------- Previous post was at 16:02 ----------

To be honest, I didnt actually check whether DLM had changed my profile, but I have noticed my tracert's do show higher latency as well as the TBB monitor

driz 07-06-2013 10:53
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
So I went from this on BT:

http://mattlantis.net/bt.png

To this on Sky:

http://mattlantis.net/sky.png

Initial connection was via Sky Hub, then disconnection while setting up the 7800.

Much happier with latency in general, eg this to froschroom.com (QW server):

Spoiler: 
Code:
Tracing route to froschroom.com [212.13.200.91]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  home.gateway.home.gateway [192.168.1.254]
  2    *        *        *    Request timed out.
  3    10 ms    7 ms    7 ms  ip-84-38-37-12.easynet.co.uk [84.38.37.12]
  4    10 ms    7 ms    7 ms  ip-84-38-37-223.easynet.co.uk [84.38.37.223]
  5    7 ms    7 ms    6 ms  linx-gw-a.jump.net.uk [195.66.224.34]
  6    6 ms    6 ms    6 ms  froschroom.com [212.13.200.91]

Where it was around 18-20ms on BT.

And this to BBC:
Spoiler: 
Code:
Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.253.67]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  home.gateway.home.gateway [192.168.1.254]
  2    *        *        *    Request timed out.
  3    13 ms    7 ms    7 ms  ip-84-38-37-12.easynet.co.uk [84.38.37.12]
  4    7 ms    7 ms    7 ms  ip-84-38-37-21.easynet.co.uk [84.38.37.21]
  5    6 ms    6 ms    6 ms  ntl-ge2-9.prt0.rbsov.bbc.co.uk [212.58.238.189]
  6    *        *        *    Request timed out.
  7    8 ms    7 ms    7 ms  ae0.er01.cwwtf.bbc.co.uk [132.185.254.93]
  8    8 ms    7 ms    7 ms  132.185.255.156
  9    8 ms    8 ms    8 ms  www-vip.cwwtf.bbc.co.uk [212.58.253.67]

Not seeing the spikes you guys are, could be because this graph is through f8lure.

Qtx 07-06-2013 13:14
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Nice difference between the two driz :tu:

Chrysalis 07-06-2013 17:41
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
is there a way to get sky FTTC without sky line rental?

pabscars 07-06-2013 18:53
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35580951)
is there a way to get sky FTTC without sky line rental?
Don't know for sure Chrys, but I'm sure I read somewhere you could retain the line rental with BT and still get Sky BB but I dont know if this applies to Fibre.

You thinking of dipping your toe in the dark side :)

Mick Fisher 08-06-2013 13:50
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
I was told sky talk was a requirement to recieve sky broadband, fibre or otherwise.

Since I was looking to dump BT and sky talk was cheaper, accepting the deal was a no brainer. :)

Qtx 15-06-2013 16:25
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Unplugged the Fibre modem by mistake last night, slightly higher latency when it reconnected and back on 94. range

[img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

Hope it negotiates its way back down although saying that, ping tests are still showing the same as before even with the TBB graph showing 1 or 2 ms increase.

craigj2k12 15-06-2013 19:15
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35584452)
the TBB graph showing 1 or 2 ms increase.
:omg:

You must get a full refund immediately :D

Qtx 15-06-2013 20:35
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by craigj2k12 (Post 35584487)

You must get a full refund immediately :D
My level of expectations have raised drasticly since leaving Virgin :D

Still pine for my slimmer green line though, in an ocd kinda way!

craigj2k12 16-06-2013 05:59
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35584499)
My level of expectations have raised drasticly since leaving Virgin :D

Still pine for my slimmer green line though, in an ocd kinda way!
Haha!! :D

Mick Fisher 16-06-2013 13:33
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35584452)
Unplugged the Fibre modem by mistake last night, slightly higher latency when it reconnected and back on 94. range

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...15-06-2013.png

Hope it negotiates its way back down although saying that, ping tests are still showing the same as before even with the TBB graph showing 1 or 2 ms increase.
I have never unplugged my BTO modem. However I recently suffered a power outage lasting about an hour. When normal service resumed I was relieved to note everything was unchanged.

Does this indicate that a, relatively, lengthy disconnect is a better option than a momentary blip that DLM might interpret as a line fault?

Qtx 16-06-2013 15:31
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick Fisher (Post 35584689)
Does this indicate that a, relatively, lengthy disconnect is a better option than a momentary blip that DLM might interpret as a line fault?
That is something I would like to know too!

Also wondering if DLM has a standard way of working or if it depends on how it is configured. Knowing all the details could help customers maintain the best possible connection.

Chrysalis 16-06-2013 21:17
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Its been recently discovered that if you yank the power cable out of a HG or ECI modem it sends a dying gasp to the DSLAM. The loss of power also means when power is restored the modem has no UAS or LOS to report to the dslam, so then DLM should discard the downtime and not react to it. Openreach documention does say they have methods to see when is a loss of power. Dying gasp may be the method.

So if you ever move your modem or doing something to cause downtime, its best to disconnect it by cutting the power to it first. Removing the DSL cable or initiating a resync in the interface will make DLM think its line instability.

From my experience a disconnection per day doesnt make DLM act. It tolerates one disconnection, I think it tolerates 2 even as long as they short. It should tolerate unlimited if its related to power in theory.

However if you are on a stability profile banded/interleaving and waiting for recovery, then its very important you dont disconnect at all. In that case DLM wants to see platinum stability.

Qtx 16-06-2013 22:16
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Interesting info Chrysalis!

Removed the power to mine for about 10 seconds and got an increase in latency after but my latency was low to begin with which may skew the results.

Chrysalis 17-06-2013 06:10
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
is the increase on the first hop? and if you unlock the modem can see right away if been dlm'd.

Qtx 17-06-2013 09:46
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35584949)
is the increase on the first hop? and if you unlock the modem can see right away if been dlm'd.
It's hop 3 but considering the first hop is router and second one the usual hop with no ip/hostname or ping replies, you could call it the first :)

Think I have the ECI modem this time so will look to unlock it. Couldn't unlock the one at my previous address.

Mick Fisher 17-06-2013 13:54
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35584857)
Its been recently discovered that if you yank the power cable out of a HG or ECI modem it sends a dying gasp to the DSLAM. The loss of power also means when power is restored the modem has no UAS or LOS to report to the dslam, so then DLM should discard the downtime and not react to it. Openreach documention does say they have methods to see when is a loss of power. Dying gasp may be the method.

So if you ever move your modem or doing something to cause downtime, its best to disconnect it by cutting the power to it first. Removing the DSL cable or initiating a resync in the interface will make DLM think its line instability.

From my experience a disconnection per day doesnt make DLM act. It tolerates one disconnection, I think it tolerates 2 even as long as they short. It should tolerate unlimited if its related to power in theory.

However if you are on a stability profile banded/interleaving and waiting for recovery, then its very important you dont disconnect at all. In that case DLM wants to see platinum stability.
Interesting. :)

craigj2k12 17-06-2013 14:14
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35584949)
is the increase on the first hop? and if you unlock the modem can see right away if been dlm'd.
Cant see on Sky, they dont respond to pings on the 1st hop

Chrysalis 17-06-2013 22:03
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
also is good news for unlocked ECI owners coming soon.

the guys on kitz forum have managed to get openwrt working on it.

Qtx 04-07-2013 12:23
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35584452)
Unplugged the Fibre modem by mistake last night, slightly higher latency when it reconnected and back on 94. range


Hope it negotiates its way back down although saying that, ping tests are still showing the same as before even with the TBB graph showing 1 or 2 ms increase.
A few nights ago I lost the 94. ip and went back to a 176. address. The latency went back down a few ms to what it was before. Didn't take notice what the route was but I am thinking the 94. address goes through a different router that increases the latency.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...04-07-2013.png

Spoiler: 
Code:
C:\>ping bbc.co.uk

Pinging bbc.co.uk [212.58.253.67] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 212.58.253.67: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=121
Reply from 212.58.253.67: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=121
Reply from 212.58.253.67: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=121
Reply from 212.58.253.67: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=121

Ping statistics for 212.58.253.67:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 7ms, Maximum = 8ms, Average = 7ms


Spoiler: 
Code:
C:\>ping pingbox1.thinkbroadband.com

Pinging pingbox1.thinkbroadband.com [80.249.99.164] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 80.249.99.164: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=59
Reply from 80.249.99.164: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=59
Reply from 80.249.99.164: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=59
Reply from 80.249.99.164: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=59

Ping statistics for 80.249.99.164:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 7ms, Maximum = 7ms, Average = 7ms


---------- Post added at 12:23 ---------- Previous post was at 12:21 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35585239)
also is good news for unlocked ECI owners coming soon.

the guys on kitz forum have managed to get openwrt working on it.
openwrt would be awesome if the modem is powerful enough. Guess it would be a cut down version rather than the full thing.

GazCBG 16-09-2013 18:52
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Hi,

Sorry to bump a 2+ month old post.
But I was wondering can anyone on Sky Fibre post their up?

Mick Fisher 17-09-2013 15:32
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big-Gaz (Post 35622396)
Hi,

Sorry to bump a 2+ month old post.
But I was wondering can anyone on Sky Fibre post their up?
Is this what you want?
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2013/09/15.png

GazCBG 17-09-2013 16:51
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
I am after the Think Broadband Quality Monitor graph really.

driz 17-09-2013 17:59
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
I don't have a TBB graph, but here's a f8lure one:

http://f8luresig.mouselike.org/sig.png?/50752.png

Qtx 18-09-2013 00:37
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big-Gaz (Post 35622707)
I am after the Think Broadband Quality Monitor graph really.
Been doing a lot of downloading/uploading today, Usually it's all green with a little yellow spike every 3 or 4 hours, like my graph at the top of this page.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...18-09-2013.png

Mick Fisher 18-09-2013 14:22
Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big-Gaz (Post 35622707)
I am after the Think Broadband Quality Monitor graph really.
Ah! right.

Hmm... Seems to have disappeared from my sig for some reason??

Nevermind here is a current one.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...18-09-2013.png


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