Originally Posted by jamiefrost (Post 35626773)

Not sure where you stand on this now, is it going to be more expensive or not, thought you said the underground bootleggers would all disappear?

Are know saying that easy access would increase the number of users or not?

J

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35626847)

bootleggers import tobacco and booze and sell it cheaper due to less duty yes understand?

If weed was produced by el gov it can be cheaper than what you buy from dealers you can see the difference between the 2 yes?

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35626847)

bootleggers import tobacco and booze and sell it cheaper due to less duty yes understand?

If weed was produced by el gov it can be cheaper than what you buy from dealers you can see the difference between the 2 yes?

Originally Posted by Nidge41 (Post 35626851)

I buy my fags from a guy who goes abroad, I loath giving this government a penny.

Originally Posted by Nidge41 (Post 35626846)

Like I said before it got removed, Boots sell Over the Counter Meds which are legal highs.

Tut tut the message board police are out in force this afternoon.

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626852)

explain why you think it would be cheaper if the gov produced it (and i want to see your working out )

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626852)

explain why you think it would be cheaper if the gov produced it (and i want to see your working out )

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35626857)

Because it is ridiculously expensive to the end user and it costs very little in comparison to produce

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626863)

Your forgetting the production costs of legal mass production ,one of the ways cannabis farms are found in this country is through abnormal electricity use ,electricity that is normally stolen ,then you have to factor in labour costs ,licensing costs ,the list goes on ,and like i said before the stuff still has to be bought by users who may not have much money and if they commit crimes to buy the stuff now they will continue to commit crimes if the stuff is legal

Originally Posted by Will21st (Post 35626861)

With prohibition you add a risk premium to the price,not to forget transportation costs,bribes and mark ups to make up for losses....

However I think that government weed will be more expensive than now because of tax,and I am also certain that most consumers won't mind.They certainly don't in the Netherlands.

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626863)

Your forgetting the production costs of legal mass production ,one of the ways cannabis farms are found in this country is through abnormal electricity use ,electricity that is normally stolen ,then you have to factor in labour costs ,licensing costs ,the list goes on ,and like i said before the stuff still has to be bought by users who may not have much money and if they commit crimes to buy the stuff now they will continue to commit crimes if the stuff is legal

Originally Posted by Will21st (Post 35626864)

Yeah,cause Cannabis users are really we known for acquisitive crime... ;)

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35626870)

and you are missing how much profit can be made. A 2 grand layout can net a 30 grand profit that includes the leccy it includes the nutrients it includes the hardware and you only have to visit the plants once a day

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626868)

You can't keep using foreign countries as justification .In the UK we have a different mentality ,we do everything to extremes ,for example it would be quite rare to see young kids drinking to excess in most European countries but in the UK it happens in every town and city every weekend and some week nights too

Our society is not mature enough to handle legalised drugs imo

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626871)

your assuming that all cannabis users only use cannabis ,the ones i know use a variety of drugs and ALL commit crimes from theft to welfare fraud ,quite a few commit crimes so they can get booze ,which takes us back to what i said earlier ,we have enough problems managing the problems associated with fags and booze ,adding legal drugs snip

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626871)

your assuming that all cannabis users only use cannabis ,the ones i know use a variety of drugs and ALL commit crimes from theft to welfare fraud ,quite a few commit crimes so they can get booze ,which takes us back to what i said earlier ,we have enough problems managing the problems associated with fags and booze ,adding legal drugs to the mix is just plain ludicrous

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a 2 grand layout if produced illegally in someones loft,with nicked electric ,A 2 grand layout wouldn't even buy a weeks worth of electric for a government run cannabis farm

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35626907)

no that is including electric paid for legally

Yes and the profits are compounded

Originally Posted by Will21st (Post 35626854)

Yes,the difference is that even though you don't pay tax you know the fags are still under government quality control.
With drugs,when legal,even though it would be cheaper from the dodgy bloke you couldn't be sure what lab they came from....

Originally Posted by Will21st (Post 35626984)

Good Luck making sense out of that angry gibberish. :)

Originally Posted by Nidge41 (Post 35626990)

He doesn't deal in dodgy ciggies he says it's false economy because people want their money back.

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35627003)

It's neither angry nor gibberish ,just a differing opinion to yours ,my opinions are based on negative personal experiences where people i know have died or fried their brain due to drug use ,yours are based on the need for a drug to make your life better .

Originally Posted by Will21st (Post 35627005)

I know,re-read what I wrote. ;)

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Is that so.... I guess all my murdered friends,the killers that I've known and all the other violence of an illegal Marketplace I've witnessed were all just a figment of my imagination. Truly amazing. :dozey:

Anyway,I've know 2 people to die from their drug use after consuming nicotine for 40 years, and they were my parents.... both died of Lung cancer.I do not know a single,solitary person to have died from drugs and I was at it for a long time.Could have been a freak exception in statistics,but maybe it wasn't.

I do however know a lot of people who would still be alive if drugs were legally regulated. How experiences and conclusions differ.

:)

Originally Posted by Will21st (Post 35627005)

I know,re-read what I wrote. ;)

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:)

Originally Posted by Will21st (Post 35626833)

Oh Dear,hit a nerve,have I? Anyway,let me know when you have a good,logical reason for making alcohol a mitigating factor and other drugs an aggravating one.The fact you're condoning drunken crime doesn't seem to enter your mind?



Well,whatever offence.By the way you are of the opinion that alcohol fuelled offences are ok.What a message to send to the kids,eh? :dozey:

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Our Press that will jump on a sensationalist drug story whenever it can will not report when a Diamorphine prescription trial fails? I find that very hard to believe Daddy.
I've just had a look and it seems there was no program in Scotland....however the SNP and Scottish Labour seem to favour trials due to,wait for it,positive trials in GERMANY!!

What do you know,those pesky Germans. ;)

Anyway,please tell me where and when this supposed Scottish trial took place,cause making stuff up just makes your argument kind of weak.

Originally Posted by Will21st (Post 35626833)

Oh Dear,hit a nerve,have I? Anyway,let me know when you have a good,logical reason for making alcohol a mitigating factor and other drugs an aggravating one.The fact you're condoning drunken crime doesn't seem to enter your mind?



Well,whatever offence.By the way you are of the opinion that alcohol fuelled offences are ok.What a message to send to the kids,eh? :dozey:

Originally Posted by Will21st (Post 35626882)

By the way,we are not adding anything by legally regulating drugs.Name one drug that has disappeared from the streets of Britain through prohibition.Anybody who wants to know knows that practically every town and city in this country is an illegal drug supermarket.... Thanks to prohibition and the massive profits it guarantees.

Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35627180)

Put all the drug users and pushers on a remote island far away.

Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35627180)

Put all the drug users and pushers on a remote island far away.

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35780228)

Excellent. Now what is going to be done about said manipulative bunch?

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35780227)

It's illegal and the police are tasked with finding and arresting them? Is there anything specific you're referring too? I don't think there is much contention over the illegality of dealing drugs nor a sudden increase in the problem...