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One thing that really threw me was the new sky ip address as it starts and end with the same numbers as my VM ip. For a split second thought we had connected things wrong :D |
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Qas I am interested in where it states DLM ignores restarts the first few days, I have heard exactly the opposite including from technical directors of isp's.
Logically what you say makes some sense as during an install the engineer will do a few recconects during his tests but I merely quoted what I heard of others and isp staff. |
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Those ISP's clearly haven't read BT's own service description
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ok I take that as DLM is more leniant than usual on the first 24 hours but not completely off.
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It's basically off unless it detects 1000+ reboots in that time. It ignores everything else.
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it doesnt seem to be published info so curious how you know. :) |
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It's shocking the difference in BQM graphs between cable and FTTC, must be such a relief to be on something decent.
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No no I'm not suggesting you resync, I'm saying if it hasn't resynced you can still grab the stats because they wouldn't of changed yet for everything so it's still a sort of before snapshot, then when it resyncs grab them again and compare. If the drop is accross the whole range it's likely due to crosstalk, if it's concentrated at specific frequencies then it's interferance. Of course if your not interested then there's no need to bother. If it did go tits up though it would be good to have a before snapshot so you have some proof of past performance should you need to pursue a fault. Anyway, you still got plenty of spare so enjoy it :) Quote:
If the default SNRM was 3dB it would have no trouble sustaining the full sync with interleving off. Maybe they will drop it in the future if only just for the marginal lines. Vecotring would no doubt help but I don't hold much hope for it any time soon, doesn't it need new line cards and CPE? |
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I do have a graph and it hasnt resynced since the attainable went down, the snr graph compared to others I seen doesnt look unusual tho.
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Mine's due to be installed today between 1:30 and 3:30pm
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if you already on sky adsl then a change is expected as they have to move you to compatible equipment first.
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Install went aok, not getting the full 40mb, but I can live with 30.
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30/9 with a 5ms ping and no jitter is not bad. :)
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so another new member with proper internet now.
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Hopefully a nice stable line now |
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Yep, counting all the posters in this thread, that's 10 of you who now have proper Internet as you call it. |
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Just received the free £100 marks and sparks vouchers too. Nice Xmas pressie from sky, didn't expect them for a few months! |
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Well done I am pleased for you, personally I don't need any hand outs |
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Is that the router Sky give you? |
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When I did that test, yes.
That was the first speedtest I ran, might've been coincedence though, as the average ping I get now, is anywhere from 12-17ms (which isn't bad either, really) Average ping to the BBC is 15ms But I am using another router right now, I'll try switching to the sky one again in a sec. ---------- Post added at 23:02 ---------- Previous post was at 22:57 ---------- Yea, same kinda ping going through the sky box, 15-16 on average using speedtest.net and pingtest. |
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Still nice and low and the added bonus it will be stable :)
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Very and it's so nice to be able to watch Youtube videos again, without any buffering.
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Your Sky Broadband
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Did you cancel your VM line too? |
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I'm getting between 60 and 67mb down, 16-19 up. (And that's with 3 people using the connection, including my dad torrenting...heh) https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/12/11.png http://www.speedtest.bbmax.co.uk/res...833&v=18229417 ---------- Post added at 11:06 ---------- Previous post was at 11:04 ---------- Quote:
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Awesome! 71.5 Mb/s isnt bad at all and the 17 Mb/s is seeding bandwidth I would guess XD
How much extra was the Pro on top? I forgot to ask them before. Virgin called me a ton of times, sometimes a few days in a row. The last guy said maybe they can sort out my network problems with an engineer lol. I know its their job and training but I couldn't be arsed to explain there would be no quick fix. |
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Pro is an extra £10 on top, I primarily upgraded for the upload speed (I am due to start making gaming videos to upload to Youtube, thus, needed the upload speed)
Total cost from memory is £44.95 a month, with the sky phone line. (£30 for Fibre pro, £14.95 for sky talk/rental) But, it's the only true unlimited broadband in the UK these days, so it's worth the price I think. |
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Not bad for a tenner more.
Paying the same as you but mine is 40/10, phoneline and Sky 2TB HD+ box with Entertainment extra package. Still cheaper than I was paying virgin and faster broadband along with lots of channels compared to the M+ I had. It was the unlimited/unshaped that made me decide on sky over the others too. Might have gone for Plusnet if they had removed their limits sooner. |
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if you have a HG modem then unlocking it and disabling QoS will also give around 10% extra throughput on the upstream. From looking at speedtests of ECI modems I think they dont have any such issue in their locked state.
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It would be preferential that ISP's sent out their hub/routers with a QoS setting turned on as default, to manage prioritisation of a homes traffic at a local level. Isp's who want to add more customers without paying out to upgrade their infrastructure to handle them, will traffic shape/prioritise traffic and tell the customers that its for their benefit :) Sky must be the only ones confident of their network and bandwidth at the moment. |
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It's better to have it done at the ISP end and by default for your average layman who would know nothing about "QoS" or "protocols". In which case it simply provides a better "out of the box experience", which is what the vast majority of people would stick with anyway. |
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it doesnt have FUP but does throttle P2P quite brutally (at least on my line). I guess what Qas means since he doesnt use p2p for him tis effectively true unimlimited. Also his area is much more leniant on p2p than mine.
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Fair usage policy != usage limit. No usage limit = unlimited. Perhaps you should try a dictionary. :rolleyes: |
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Or maybe the confusion is because both the following BT products claim to be unlimited yet have traffic shaping on P2P according to BT's own web page: BT Total Broadband Option 3 BT Infinity Option 2 https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2012/12/7.png Those typical peak hours listed is for 8 hours of the day, a third of it. Or at weekends... 15 out of 24 hours, two thirds of the day. |
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But that's got nothing to do with usage limits... this is the bit you should be looking at:
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2012/12/6.png The generally accepted usage of "Unlimited" as defined by the industry regulators is no significant speed reduction, restriction, disconnection, or additional charges for going over any particular amount of usage. Basically put there will be absolutely no change in the speed or cost of your connection nomatter how much or little you use. |
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Ergo, you pay extra for unlimited which could actually be limited at some time :) |
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BT are ok with their advertising because the p2p exclusion is clearly shown on the product page. Not super hidden away like VM tend to do.
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Well it's been AOK since it was installed, much like our Sky ADSL2+ service was
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it is but as I said because BT specifically show it as excluded on the product page before order its ok by ASA standards.
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Neither the fair usage policy or traffic management policy have a usage threshold of any kind. Thereby, it is unlimited. |
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Sky is still the only unlimited ISP going by the real meaning of unlimited. ISP's who traffic manage certain protocols are...limiting the connection. Just that they are allowed to use unlimited as they don't limit in other ways, |
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Alternatively - P2P traffic will be reduced in speed after downloading 0B between the prescribed 'peak hours'. BT do clearly explain the limitation on their website so the second sentence is satisfied. Is the reduction 'moderate' would seem to be the sticking point as this parameter is not defined. ---------- Post added at 20:10 ---------- Previous post was at 20:09 ---------- Quote:
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if you go on what you are trying to define then by that logic not a single thing in existance is unlimited. There is a very clear difference between selling a specific up to speed and then allowing a free for all on all protocols. Then doing the same thing but artifically restricting specific usage patterns. The latter sigificantly can reduce an isp's costs whilst saying their product is the same to customers. My guess is if found a BT advert that doesnt mention clearly p2p is excluded the ASA would uphold a complaint I make. Dont assume companies get it right over consumers on legalities, because I did a complaint against VM to the ASA, I was the only complainent and the decision was upheld against all of VMs lawyers. Also have to think what the average person thinks unlimited is, and you are the first person I have come across trying to explain it the way you have. ---------- Post added at 20:56 ---------- Previous post was at 20:53 ---------- Ferret what BT dont mention tho is p2p upload is throttled 24/7 to around 1/20 max speed. It is in the small print but not made clear. |
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However you seem to have completely misunderstood the ASA regulations, they dont care if its a specific limit, they just care if its moderate or not. If it had to be constant then it may well be a regulation that doesnt exist as all a isp would have to do is slightly adjust it each day and then say its excluded. To summarise on unlimited broadband products all limitations of service have to be clearly described on advertising material, based on past ASA decisions, having it in the small print is not good enough anything not described and is above moderate affect on the service is in breach. The ASA dont proactively look for breaches they act on reports. and your car analogy is a big fail, the reason you cant do 200mph is due to road laws. You getting nowhere making make believe comparisons that are not a comparison, there is no law stating p2p has to be throttled. |
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I think you've misunderstood the ASA regulations. The ones we're talking about pertain to usage limits and usage limits only. Nothing to do with traffic management, shaping, or limiting. That's a completely different aspect of the service and covered by completely different guidelines.
As for the consistency, well clearly it isn't consistent if your results are completely different to mine. Last I was on 40/10 P2P was limited to 3Mbps upload some weeks and no limit at all other weeks. Since upgrading to 80/20 it's either 3Mbps or 20Mbps upload and I haven't seen anything in between. As far as I'm concerned for unlimited products the only limitations that have to be clearly described or absent are usage based limits. Non-usage based limits that apply the same nomatter what service a user's on or how much they used, are entirely irrelevant. And finally, no, the reason you can't do 200mph is not because of road laws, it's because you don't expect to be able to all the time. There is no road law saying you can never do 200, there are plenty of roads with no speed limits, both in this country and elsewhere. People are used to and fully expect that there will be other limitations in place, and that is perfectly normal. The same goes for your internet connection, everybody expects there will be limitations to most of the time on any service that have nothing to do with your utilization. |
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Qas where is usage limit mentioned in this statement?
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I think Qas is operating on a different plane of reality
I find it best just to ignore (block) people like that, it saves getting a headache over it. :P |
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I wont be blocking Qas as he is a valuable contributer, I just find his opinion on this a bit odd but I will agree to disagree with him.
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I've just ordered Sky Fibre Unlimited at last :)
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4 months after being installed and the weekend/evening lag is annoying me now...
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...24-03-2013.png ....the lack of lag makes these graphs look so boring :( Not bad enough to make me want to return to Virgins lag though :D |
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Love the uniformity of yours Mick! Perfect image for OCD network peeps :)
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Im running a web server on port 80, as well as a few other services so of course my graph looks awful :D
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Welcome to proper broadband
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Still waiting for mine.
The guy who took the original order screwed up somehow by making separate orders for the line rental and the Sky Fibre (although we have Sky BB Unlimited we still had BT line rental due to being customers before the Sky line rental requirement), causing the Sky Fibre order to automatically be rejected due to "overtaking" the line rental order. So, we had to wait for the line rental swap to take place, and *then* order sky Fibre again. Did that on Saturday, and the new installation date is Monday 22nd April... Still got the same deal, though :) Half-price line rental for 6 months + no installation fee + half-price fibre for 3 months :) |
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Thats a sweeter deal than I got Matt, having said that I didnt haggle, I just rang up and said where do I sign :).
I decided to go ahead and try the new router (SR101) but couldnt get Sky to send me one for nowt, so Ive just bought one of Ebay for 30 brand new and in the box :) I very kind forum member had previosuly got my WRT610N router to work on OpenWrt firmware but it proved to be just too buggy in the end so I had to revert back to the older Sagemcom unit. I also noticed last night that web pages seemed slow to load (unusual) so I did a sweep of the area and found that Sky are now providing BB to most of my neighbours and we were all on the same wireless channel (No1), set it channel 3 and it has improved now thankfully, but fingers crossed the SR101 will improve things further. |
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Wowzers qas, I thought you had more base latency than that, have you been playing :)
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Ive seen similar spikes on mine under zero usage and wondered if it was to do with the Sky plus box being connected ???
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Talking of time it's repeated precisely every hour, not on the hour but every hour
Just had my digital micrometer up to the screen to make sure, but it's not quite every hour exactly actually :) |
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I'd seen that signing up for the phone line rental online would have given half-price for 12 months (offer for existing customers still with BT for line rental), but that for the Sky Fibre it was only new customers who got no installation fee + half-price for 3 months. So I phoned up and asked "are there any deals you can give me?" :) Only 6 months half-price for the line rental, instead of 12, but being given the same deal as a new customer for the Sky Fibre gave a greater total saving than doing the phone line sign-up online. As for the SR101 "Sky Hub"... I thought that that was supposed to be free for all Sky Fibre customers, new and old? |
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Heres 2 weeks worth of graphs, as you can see the blip happens at intervals just over 1 hour, without stopping, but lessening in height, then once they get close to disappearing, they go back to being big again. Strange.
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I have tried a fair few routers on mine and I see different patterns for each router. |
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I have tried different routers to the same effect though
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Heres mine whilst using the SR101 hub, nothing my side going on to cause the spikes
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Oh. Weird. I guess that means my deal was even better :) (sorry :erm: )
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On a separate note I was hosting 5 player matches on Black Ops 2 last night between 9:30 till 11:30 pm and no real sign of lag or the router bogging down which is good news for the SR101 imo, my TBB monitor (see above post) didn't show any issues either. |
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I actually received a *second* free Sky Hub today! I guess it's due to the initial cock up in the order.
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I'll keep it as a spare :)
--------------- Had my Sky Fibre installed this morning by an extremely friendly and helpful Openreach engineer called Robyn :) She sorted out the Data Extension, and made sure that everything was up and running before she left. https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2013/04/15.png |
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Sweet ping there Matt, have you logged into the router to see what your syncing at initially, your getting pretty much exactly the same as me, my router says I'm on 39,998 kbps Downstream and 10,000 kbps Up.
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Yeah, I've logged in and the router says it's synced at 40 down and 10 up.
The BT & Sky checkers said we could get up to 50something, so we could have gone for Sky Fibre Pro but I don't think it would have been worth the extra 10 for just another 10Mbps. |
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