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From what I saw (the reaction) the arrested on suspicion of murder was known or told but not "having spoken to the family they don't expect to find her alive".

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Not the end of the world though. If the woman didn't want to be interviewed, she should have declined, works both ways.

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Survival in that area, exposed, after this time, is virtually nill. The only hope is that she is being held captive somewhere. I hope i`m wrong, but I too believe she will not be found alive. What a sick society we live in. I too have a 5 year old grandaughter, & I would serve time for anyone who hurt her. The Media jump on any storyline to get a reaction, sometimes, they should remember, the family are also watching TV.

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The mail are now reporting about Kay's handling of the interview..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-live-air.html

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Thats not the point. Kay Burley broke some additional news live on air to family from family, thats completely uncalled for. Common sense would easily see someone say you need to go speak to family. Seriously unless SkyNews want their own Jeremy Kyle show and the family buy into it that isn't how things should be reported here or anywhere else. What was said was a huge statement. Theres no yellow strap on SkyNews containing 'Family given up hope finding April'. Infact the Police have asked for searches to be left to professionals. It was shocking and to then ask what the ladies reaction was. Come on this is clearly someone acting out 'larger than life' or simply taking the pee lacking basic common sense and heart.

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Really feel sorry for this guy:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-tells-1363171

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Same here, anyone hurts any of my grandchildren and i will not be held responsible for what happens to them if i get to them first.

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Yes M8, I do agree with you.

My comments regarding the terrain were simply to let others know that the area is hostile, & survival for a youngster is very poor. Its an area we trained in whilst in the Army & its harsh.

Kay Burley is no different than other reporters, trying to get that"sensational" interview, or making someone cry in public seems to be their goal, a complete lack of respect for the feelings of the family, but, as I said previously, "The Media jump on any storyline to get a reaction", sometimes, they should remember, the family are also watching TV.

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Sky news is the televised version of the sun. So I therefor expect them to produce the same as all the other Murdock crappy papers

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disgraceful. sky, the beeb, the lot of them need to step back and seriously rethink.

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Mark Bridger now charged with murder, perverting the course of justice and child abduction

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Why do they need to rethink? They are reporting that they've charged the man.

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I was responding to the posts above. post edited.

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I'm confused, has he been charged or not, different outlets seem to be reporting different things?

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He was charged on suspicion but now he's got the actual charges of murder, child abduction and perverting the course of justice.

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Murdoch has very little influence and control over Sky News. So no, it is not the same 'version' of The Sun newspaper.

I'd watch Sky News any day rather then the BBC News, which comes across as having a biased agenda most of the time.

At the end of the day, this is how Journalists and News Anchor people work all the time, it was a Live broadcast, where anything could happen and as I originally said posts above, the people were NOT told live on air and the people were not family either. Also, the ladies in question just got told by someone off Camera and then approach Kay, do people honestly think if these people had just been told and didn't want to be interviewed by the news media, that they then head over to the News Media?

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It was reported the Grandmother was one of the 2 ladies?

And why would two people act out a new reaction just for TV had they of been told 'the family don't expect to find April alive' already?

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she was the godmother

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I've lost track. It was reported as her Grandmother but now its the Godmother? News reports also say they were just volunteers searching. ?

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I haven't watched the news today, but i`m not surprised. What I, & I suppose all of us want to know, is why?? What posses a man to kidnap a helpless child, then kill her. I can understand people killing for a cause, hell, I can even respect some people killing for their cause, but a child??


:mad::mad:

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to be honest i am just going off the original clip posted in a earlier post



On a side note i am hoping that the police and the cps have got this right .The police charged the bloke at the 'eleventh hour' which suggests to me that they don't have a fat lot to go on ,i hope they haven't concentrated too much on this one suspect only for it to all fall down around their heads and the real perp get away.

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The CPS need there to be enough evidence for there to be a realistic prospect of conviction, they won't just charge someone for the hell of it.

The fact they decided to arrest him for murder and not just keep him in on the abduction arrest speaks volumes. That, the focussing of the search area and what they've NOT said suggests there has either been a confession or other evidence supporting the murder charge.

If there wasn't evidence for murder I'd imagine they would have charged him with abduction and opposed bail which would have kept him locked up for a bit anyway.

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The police cannot question someone after he has been charged. As they have not recovered April's body they will have wanted to go right to the wire in the hope that they could wring that information out of the person they believe killed her.

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We don't have a deterrent that puts the fear of god into these *******s.

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No it wasn't the God mother - they were friends of the family and one of many searching for the missing girl. They could have just easily watched the press conference by the Police.

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I don't think there is any deterrent for crime any more, I can only hope the killer spends his life nursing a bruised, bleeding & swollen backside.

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Actually i have thought that the police have given very little information out since his arrest i put that down to him not saying anything but maybe he has has been telling them stuff and they don't want the media getting it untill they have built a case



That explains it then

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Trial by combat might...

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I don't think any deterant would work to be honest ,most of these type of crimes are led by emotion and psychological failings which means that reason ,consequence and punishment take a back seat which is evident in this case by the way he was arrested .Assuming he did murder the girl he was picked up in the street of the village presumably acting as though nothing had happened instead of doing a runner

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There is plenty they could have said at the press conferences and in interviews but by not mentioning it it's pretty clear to me they knew she was dead early on in the enquiry :(

Hopefully they can find her to return her to the family.

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here's hoping

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Amen to that, so sad, at least they can grieve.

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sobering thought. In 2009 /2010 in the UK there were 626 murders. In Texas in 2010 there were 1249 murders.There are over 2 times the number of people in the UK and Texas has the death penalty and uses it. So that shows the death penalty does not deter crime

figures taken from below links

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/txcrime.htm

http://www.citizensreportuk.org/repo...olence-uk.html

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Huh? Why is that then?

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The best deterrent against crime is is not stiff sentencing. It's the perception of there being a high likelihood of getting caught.

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Fairness to the accused... :rolleyes:

Once charged no further questions can be asked to prevent the Police charging someone and hoping the shock will loosen their tongues. They can make a voluntary statement but thats pretty rare.

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Something that, according to what I've seen on Facebook and Twitter today, is considered old hat by many people.

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It seems a bit silly seeing the accused is under no obligation to actually answer?

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We might have jumped the gun on the Kay Burley/Sky News video, this is the full version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq9kFPknoqE

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Indeed ,the video i watched had the first bit snipped out ,
fancy that ,Kay Burley has been the victim of sensationalist media reporting :D

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You think that's silly? You should see what a combination of the ECHR and the UK Supreme Court have done to Scots Law. In some cases the Police can't ask any questions to people until they've spoken to a lawyer. Even if they've refused legal representation! :spin: :nutter:

Anyway it'll be interesting to see if any further information is given out tomorrow at his court appearance or if he is just remanded straight to Crown Court.

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anyone arrested should no comment till they see a solicitor and even then depending on of the evidence no comment through the interview. We all know the CPS will not take a case to court where there is a fair chance they can lose so you should ride it out then plead guilty if you end up in court( and actually are guilty lol )

Anyone who speaks to the police without representation is either stupid naive or wants to admit it

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It certainly stops them re offending.

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They don't need to re-offend. Texas seems to have more than enough murderers to replace those executed.

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http://news.sky.com/story/994920/apr...sive-web-posts


bet this sicko doesn't think it's funny now :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

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No new information just his confirmation of his name and address and that he understands the charges.

http://www.itv.com/news/2012-10-08/m...aprils-murder/

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I'd recommend checking the story here:
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/10/...ed-on-facebook

(also the BBC article on it)

EDIT: See http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/oc...ailed-facebook - seems to give more complete information

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and i recommend you remove that first link completely out of order :mad:

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I think it's harsh to give a prison sentence for that. I have long wanted internet trolls to face the consequences of their actions and had he been e-mailing, tweeting or otherwise communicating these messages directly to the family or friends of April Jones then I would understand it. However making comments, however sick, about the case doesn't warrant time in prison. That's a rather disturbing trend...

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similar cases where being discussed on the Jeremy Vine show last week and he had the attorney general in to explain when the police prosecute such cases .He said that each case is dealt with on a individual basis and a lot depends on how open to the world the comments are and in what context they where made .For example if these comments and jokes where directed to a close group of friends on an account that is private then it would be treated as a private conversation and most likely just a warning given .I think in this case there was some aggravating factor as well to do with comments he made about April aside from the jokes he printed

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Yeah. I still wonder the benefit of prison terms for these cases. I can probably agree they should be prosecuted, maybe, but a community service order and/or a fine seems better. Putting someone in prison is a overreaction, we already have problems with overcrowding and putting someone inside a cell for comments they made on the internet is a step too far.

It's just part of a larger concern that we have more and more laws and less and less freedom.

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I know where you are coming from and it is a worry ,social media in some cases is likened to a few people having a private conversation in the pub and if any of them told such sick jokes they would not be prosecuted it would be treated as a private conversation so we do have to tread carefully .

In this case i think the judge locked him up for his own safety ;)

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12 weeks? Seriously???

It was in exceptional bad taste but in all honesty say that a message posted on facebook and not directed at the family deserves jailtime and a harsher punishment than this, this or this?

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Frankie Boyle's on borrowed time then.

Seriously though, to think you can be jailed for offending someone....................

especially as what is and what isn't offensive is subjective and differs from person to person.

It's the thin end of the wedge.

I have no problem with being charged and punished, it's what he has been charged with I have an issue.

Had he been charged with outraging public decency or something, then it would be more palatable.

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Its thought Police. 12 weeks for offensive posting on Facebook? what a waste of resources Police time and the cost of trial and sentence

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According to comments which I can verify on Slashdot these messages where posted on his wall.

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Sorry to be daft, but what does that mean exactly?

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It means he just posted it for the consumption of his 'friends' rather than directing it at a community or group of people. It's the internet equivalent of telling a joke in a bar amongst friends as opposed to shouting it in a supermarket.

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So going on post #150, a warning would have been more appropriate.

I have to say this does look rather worrying.

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Without the message being directed at someone I would previously have thought the chances of proving a crime were limited however in the new world where someone, somewhere is permanently offended about something it seems like common sense is going out the window.

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Have you ever had to deal with one of these cases?

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Surely the decision to prosecute lies firmly with the CPS, and the decision to impose such a ludicrous sentence lies with the judge? It seems quite simple to me. The CPS should take a step back and not prosecute because they can, but because it actually serves a purpose.

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I suspect conviction rates are a performance indicator for CPS lawyers. I can see why they would go for the jugular if they thought they could.

As for the sentence, well in this case there was no judge, there was a panel of magistrates, who are in essence people who do jury service for a hobby, except with the added benefit of passing sentence after they have decided on guilt. I don't mean to do JPs a disservice (not least because an old and dear friend of mine is one) but it's not without good reason that most people accused of an 'each way' offence (one that can be tried either by a jury at Crown Court or by magistrates) opt for jury trial. On like-for-like cases, magistrates are a lot more likely to find a defendant guilty. Whether or not they are similarly gung-ho when it comes to sentencing, I can only speculate.

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Offenses under the Communications Act? Plenty but those were always fallouts between friends or partners. I can't say I've ever had to deal with one without a clear cut 'victim'.

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Just wondered how much day-to-day policing is taken up with people making comments on Facebook or Twitter (that aren't directed at an individual).

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I've not had to do the day to day stuff for a bit, however when I speak to other cops the amount of electronic, low level stuff seems to be increasing and due to its nature takes up more time than other 'crimes'.

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Are there many types of this electronic low level stuff or is it all harassment/abuse type cases? Do you need to get warrants every time? :erm:

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You get the fall out from breakups and friendships ending that can be a waste of time but still get investigated as it could easily turn into a serious case. There is also low level internet frauds, posting of obscene photos or videos without consent and a host of other technology based offences.

You also get the tit for tat online football rivalry where one side will complain "He called me a hun!", "Well he called me a fenian!", "He started it, he posted a picture of ...." where what should happen is all sides are told to shut up and grow up but in the current climate there are special teams to deal with it and its arrests and jailtime all round. :( :mad:

Of course what one person classes as a waste of time can be another persons serious crime.

As for warrants it works a bit differently up here as the Police don't have PACE to deal with. If I was doing a call tomorrow regarding mobile or internet abuse and I thought I needed to seize a phone or computer for examining then it would be getting seized using common law powers.

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Ah ok. So a lot more small-level but still serious crimes then. I wondered if there were loads of new laws that you had to investigate such as these twitter/facebook 'jokes'.

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Not up here. S127 of the Communications Act, and Breach of the Peace or S38 Criminal Justice and Licensing Act can be interpreted to cover most things and the new 1984-ish Offensive Behaviour at Football Act :erm: covers the people acting like a twonk online due to football stuff.

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I think the problem was that the people he sent the comments and jokes to, albeit privately where so offended they reported him and went round his house to kick ten bells out of him ,maybe the police should have taken their time in responding

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But even 'sent' is a overstating it. That implies he directed it at people rather than at a group that have him listed on Facebook. Problem is once it's on Facebook you have no control over where it goes.

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True ,i don't use facebook so don't know how much info you put on it is free to be viewed by others .i would imagine that if you post on your wall to friends only and then they forward on to others then it gets out but surely that makes others who do the forwarding just as guilty ?

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Wow, thanks to an earlier poster for the slashdot link...
It appears the guy posted some offensive jokes to his own wall, which someone else copied to the find April page.
I'd say the person that copied should be the one charged over trolling, and the original post reported via facebook's protocols... off to look for a "Free Matthew Woods" group.

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http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-21009177

Good luck with that defence. I wonder what his story is and if he admits killing her what assistance has he given in finding her body?

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Wonder how he will attempt to spin that defence. :erm:

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Missing April Jones: Mark Bridger murder trial adjourned

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-21517080

they still havent found her :(

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I still don't understand his defence.

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Hypothetically speaking, if he abducted her and left her in some remote field and she died from the cold or slipped in to a river and drowned then by his leaving her there he would be responsible for her death but not her murder.

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He was giving her a lift home and she jumped out the car and was fatally injured. He panicked and disposed of the body as no-one would believe it was an accident.

Or some other fantasy in no way thought up by his defence lawyers. :dozey:

I think Ian Huntley claimed a similar defence at his trial.

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Blood and bone fragments matching poor April's DNA were found in his home :(

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-22353735

I feel sorry for the poor parents knowing that she's dead but not knowing where she is

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we need a Guantanamo Bay type of place over here to deal with these sickos

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Awful. Just awful :(

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hope he in jail all his life if he proved guilty and no chance of ever getting out

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yes that must be hard for them to deal with

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they should 'water board' the information out of him

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Isn't evictee obtained using torture inadmissible?

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Appears to be plenty of evidence against him without the need for torture ,he'll get that when he gets inside ,a few of the lags might gladly give their tv rights to sort him out

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Suspend him by his bits and he will spill the beans pretty sharpish.

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And in another rejection of the 'Huntley defence' Mark Bridger has been found guilty of the abduction and murder of April Jones. Also guilty of perverting the course of justice.

Hopefully now he will accept his guilt and tell the family what he did with her body.

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Surprised that it took that long. His defence seemed so stupid.

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The coffee must have been good in the jury room. :erm:

I can only think that they were considering the perverting the course of justice charge.

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disgusting ******* crackhead!

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Whole life tariff.

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Don't the jury have to go over all the evidence, no matter how much of a foregone conclusion it seems?

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I am not sure. I don't think they get given a instruction in how to proceed through the evidence just to consider it a reach a verdict on which they're all agreed.

Each member would have been considering the evidence during the trial and if it's so open and shut then I think you might be forgiven for thinking they would breeze through the the deliberations.

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Not surprised at that, given his bizarre defence.

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The judge tells them how to weigh it up but what they do when they get into the jury room is up to them, and is a secret, on pain of prosecution.

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It will be another case of an attempt to hold over some kind of 'Power', just like Ian Brady in the Moors Murder victim Keith Bennett and his body never being found or Brady revealing where he buried his victims body.

Just like Brady, I suspect Bridger will take the secret to the grave. Evil *******. :mad:

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I hope that in the hierarchy of the cell block that this evil man is destined to spend the rest of his life he is considered to be the lowest of the low and treated accordingly.

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I think we all hope for that jo, I know I do.

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can't see him ever being put in general population myself ,unless a door is accidentally left open .

Hopefully he will realise he won't ever see the light of day again and top himself