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martyh 16-09-2012 18:01
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Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35474915)
The police where there on the day and did not help and then covered it up with lies and mistruths which has now been shown to be fact, why should they not suffer all 164 police liars should be prosecuted for their failure to be a human being.

Click the link below to a Facebook page nothing offensive just wants likes.

Bet i can find 1 million people who want justice for the 96
I think you need to get a bit of perspective

Some of the police may not have known their reports had been altered should they suffer ? don't you think the others i mentioned should be held culpable ?

Peter_ 16-09-2012 18:10
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35474919)
I think you need to get a bit of perspective

Some of the police may not have known their reports had been altered should they suffer ? don't you think the others i mentioned should be held culpable ?
First and foremost the police who watched people die and altered their statements.

Oddly a year earlier the exact same football match did not end in disaster because the police must have done their job correctly even though the FA ignored warnings from previous semi finals.

martyh 16-09-2012 19:34
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Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35474920)
First and foremost the police who watched people die and altered their statements.

Oddly a year earlier the exact same football match did not end in disaster because the police must have done their job correctly even though the FA ignored warnings from previous semi finals.
I'm not saying that the police did no wrong ,all i'm saying is bear in mind that other parties did wrong by the fans as well ,so by all means shout at people just make sure you are shouting at the right people and remember that the police probably had no training for this type of incident as it hadn't happened on this scale before and most of the police who where there where probably in just as much shock as the fans where some may have even had friends or family at the match

TheDaddy 17-09-2012 03:22
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35474843)
Which is what i said earlier



Don't get me wrong ,i am all in favour of prosecuting those police and officials that may have committed a crime by altering evidence and reports but the current feeling for the need for justice must be tempered with some common sense ,it wasn't the police who caused the disaster ,that was a combination of factors ranging from poor crowd control to the design of the stadium and all must be considered ,We must refrain from simply saying "it was all the fault of the police" because it most certainly was not
Everything that happened afterwards was the fault of the police assisted by a newspaper that saw cheap headlines that fitted its agenda and a government that saw the same, an apology simply isn't enough for the damage they have done, heads should roll.

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35474873)
not necessarily.

You may also consider directing some of the hatred you have at ,the FA ,Liverpool fc and Sheffield utd all where more culpable in my opinion for allowing the game to take place there knowing that there where problems with the ground which led to the problems in the first place
Personally I blame the guy that crashed/roadworks causing the delay on the motorway and as much as I'd love to blame sheff utd for just about everything I think involving them here is going a bit far even for me.

Peter_ 17-09-2012 05:27
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35474930)
I'm not saying that the police did no wrong ,all i'm saying is bear in mind that other parties did wrong by the fans as well ,so by all means shout at people just make sure you are shouting at the right people and remember that the police probably had no training for this type of incident as it hadn't happened on this scale before and most of the police who where there where probably in just as much shock as the fans where some may have even had friends or family at the match
It was a match between Nottingham Forest and Liverpool so rather unlikely to involve anyone from Sheffield.

You do not need training just compassion and a grip on reality when you see people being crushed and dying in front of you plus you need humanity which these people left at the gate.

Vieil Homme 17-09-2012 08:49
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35474930)
I'm not saying that the police did no wrong ,all i'm saying is bear in mind that other parties did wrong by the fans as well ,so by all means shout at people just make sure you are shouting at the right people and remember that the police probably had no training for this type of incident as it hadn't happened on this scale before and most of the police who where there where probably in just as much shock as the fans where some may have even had friends or family at the match
I hope they were shocked but it never stopped them from filling the book ( where Police officer make sure they are all telling the same story..note the word story)

These notebooks would have been referred to when giving evidence. This evidence was accepted as the truth when we now know it was a pack of lies.

From the Guardian 16th Sept

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We now know that lives, many of them young, were lost on 15 April 1989, because of an unsafe football ground and the negligence of senior officers, camouflaged by the subsequent perjury of dozens of police and emergency services staff. It beggars belief that blood samples were taken from the victims, one as young as 10, to scrabble for evidence that alcohol had fuelled the tragedy. The truth was just visible in the inquiry of Lord Chief Justice Taylor, soon after the disaster; however, much of the media and many politicians preferred the fabricated "evidence" that the behaviour of drunken, ticketless louts caused the loss of life. That calumny has survived two decades, reinforced by snobbery, and contempt for working-class football supporters whom it was alleged had brought it upon themselves.
Regarding the request that the inquest being re-opened so the findings can be changed from accidental death. At the end of the day even with the false statements from the police it is still a tragic accident.

Chris 17-09-2012 10:02
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Originally Posted by Vieil Homme (Post 35474991)
Regarding the request that the inquest being re-opened so the findings can be changed from accidental death. At the end of the day even with the false statements from the police it is still a tragic accident.
As my local coroner used to say, "an accident is the unforeseen outcome of a deliberate act." Personally I think he used to interpret that a tad widely (I sat through far more inquests than I would have liked, as a young reporter).

The Hillsborough families have quite a strong argument that the failures in crowd control and disaster management were so great that the eventual outcome was by no means unforseeable. They're not going to get an unlawful killing verdict but a narrative verdict finding negligence on the part of some of those involved is quite achievable IMO.

Russ 17-09-2012 11:09
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I'm aware my interpretation of some legal jargon is my own and may not relate to actual law however I do not see Hillsborough as an 'accident' in any way. My interpretation of that word is an incident to which nobody can be directly blamed. I see an 'accident' as "one of those things" or "couldn't be helped".

From the limited information I've read about April 15th 1989 I'd say the whole thing could have been avoided.

Damien 17-09-2012 11:55
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They had many warnings this could happen as well, both Sheffield Wednesday and the FA. The FA refused to sanction a change of venues, United had offered the use of Old Trafford even, but they ignored all requests.

Vieil Homme 17-09-2012 12:05
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35475021)
I'm aware my interpretation of some legal jargon is my own and may not relate to actual law however I do not see Hillsborough as an 'accident' in any way. My interpretation of that word is an incident to which nobody can be directly blamed. I see an 'accident' as "one of those things" or "couldn't be helped".

From the limited information I've read about April 15th 1989 I'd say the whole thing could have been avoided.
I think we are falling into the trap as if this happened today. Then I would agree it would not be an accident but the event happened in 1989 when the police communication was far from good. Today the Police have CCTV and a digital closed radio system.

We don't know the truth because the truth has been covered by lies to cover mistakes made by senior officers on the day who had a few moments to give an order to open a gate.

Accident = an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury. Yes I know that big word death is missing.

Damien 17-09-2012 12:11
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Originally Posted by Vieil Homme (Post 35475034)
Accident = an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury. Yes I know that big word death is missing.
We have manslaughter laws, not sure if they would apply in this case. Corporate manslaughter? Seems unjustified since the responsibility applies to many organisations. However it's far more serious than an accident. Serious failings occurred that day, not least the failure of the police. The police who helped cover this up, the senior officers, should face justice.

Vieil Homme 17-09-2012 13:01
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35475037)
We have manslaughter laws, not sure if they would apply in this case. Corporate manslaughter? Seems unjustified since the responsibility applies to many organisations. However it's far more serious than an accident. Serious failings occurred that day, not least the failure of the police. The police who helped cover this up, the senior officers, should face justice.
Yes I totaly agree but as I have said this before I didn't want to keep reating myself :)

From what I understand the officer made a bad judgment call. A lot of people want his head on a block. Me I would be hapy with those who took part in the cover up should be put before the courts. There I'v said it again......

martyh 17-09-2012 16:56
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Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35474973)
It was a match between Nottingham Forest and Liverpool so rather unlikely to involve anyone from Sheffield.

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Played at Sheffield Wednesdays ground ,otherwise known as Hilsborough ,a ground known to have safety issues .

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You do not need training just compassion and a grip on reality when you see people being crushed and dying in front of you plus you need humanity which these people left at the gate.
Know a lot about that do you? how would you know what goes through a young coppers mind when faced with multiple deaths for the first time

Peter_ 17-09-2012 18:13
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35475174)



Know a lot about that do you? how would you know what goes through a young coppers mind when faced with multiple deaths for the first time
They were not all young so do not play the young card as it does not wash, they are supposed to be trained officers so age does not come into it, gutless comes to mind though.

Are you saying that all policemen should be older people with knowledge of the world then as oddly that does not even apply to the army.


As above compassion and humanity was needed on that day but the police just looked at a fence and in their eyes the dying were not people but objects that needed to be fenced in.

We still require justice and until justice has been done do not expect anyone affected to let up over this tragic event until justice prevails.

martyh 17-09-2012 18:27
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Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35475211)
They were not all young so do not play the young card as it does not wash, they are supposed to be trained officers so age does not come into it, gutless comes to mind though.
Calling people you don't even know 'gutless' is bang out of order they do things that you don't have the guts to do ,You have no clue what you are talking about and how even witnessing such a tragedy affects some people never mind being part of it .
I have just watched a report on ITV news about a young copper(at the time)who submitted a truthful report saying exactly what happened but all the parts that threw the senior officers into disrepute were crossed out by the senior officers of the time . You really need to stop this undirected hatred for the police in general and direct your anger at the right people ,you are starting to look like a vindictive fool

Peter_ 17-09-2012 18:34
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35475220)
Calling people you don't even know 'gutless' is bang out of order they do things that you don't have the guts to do ,You have no clue what you are talking about and how even witnessing such a tragedy affects some people never mind being part of it .
I have just watched a report on ITV news about a young copper(at the time)who submitted a truthful report saying exactly what happened but all the parts that threw the senior officers into disrepute were crossed out by the senior officers of the time . You really need to stop this undirected hatred for the police in general and direct your anger at the right people ,you are starting to look like a vindictive fool
So calling someone gutless that looks on as people die in front of them is wrong, somehow i do not think so as that is what they did even confronted with begging and the screams of the crowd, to stand back when confronted with scene and to do nothing shows what kind of people were wearing a uniform on that day.

I would be trying to help if I was confronted with that scene, did you know that victims begged them to open the gates but the officers turned their backs on them and only they could open them.

So rather than giving me a rep for telling the truth get real and read up the facts and stop making foolish assumptions and calling people fools when it is people like you that still believe the police version of events, so stop being a south yorkshire police loving fanboy fool.

You can tell by your attitude who you believe and sadly the are still many like you trying to protect those spineless illegitimate policemen who watched innocent people die.

It will be easy to find out which officers did not alter their statements and possibly it may just be the senior officers prosecuted but those officers still have to live with themselves for watching innocent people die, not a memory that I would want.

RizzyKing 17-09-2012 18:42
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I have witnessed massacres not accidents but deliberate acts of mass killing from as little as six hundred metres away and orders prevented me from doing what i thought i should have done what was stopping those coppers that day and if it too was orders who gave them and lets be having them in the dock. Marty whilst i do not share Peters general dislike (lets try and keep it polite) for the police you have got to understand that for many if not all the hillsborough familys and fans there that day the behaviour and actions of the police were shameful and did come across as uncaring and gutless for want of a better term.

Hillsborough is a damn deep wound that unless you were there or were directly affected by it you cannot begin to grasp a whole range of emotions and feelings and for those people a decent degree of latitude should be afforded rather then constant criticism and i am talking about what i have read on other forums not just this one.

martyh 17-09-2012 18:47
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Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35475224)
So calling someone gutless that looks on as people die in front of them is wrong, somehow i do not think so as that is what they did even confronted with begging and the screams of the crowd, to stand back when confronted with scene and to do nothing shows what kind of people were wearing a uniform on that day.

I would be trying to help if I was confronted with that scene, did you know that victims begged them to open the gates but the officers turned their backs on them and only they could open them.

So rather than giving me a rep for telling the truth get real and read up the facts and stop making foolish assumptions and calling people fools when it is people like you that still believe the police version of events, so stop being a south yorkshire police loving fanboy fool.

You can tell by your attitude who you believe and sadly the are still many like you trying to protect those spineless illegitimate policemen who watched innocent people die.

It will be easy to find out which officers did not alter their statements and possibly it may just be the senior officers prosecuted but those officers still have to live with themselves for watching innocent people die, not a memory that I would want.

You really don't have a clue how shock and inexperience show themselves do you .Your reaction is to call a young inexperienced copper who has just watched a man die gutless because he cannot do anything other than stand in shock at what he has just seen .I hope your attitude is not typical of most other scousers affected by this tragedy as any sympathy will rapidly evaporate .

Peter_ 17-09-2012 18:51
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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35475226)
I have witnessed massacres not accidents but deliberate acts of mass killing from as little as six hundred metres away and orders prevented me from doing what i thought i should have done what was stopping those coppers that day and if it too was orders who gave them and lets be having them in the dock. Marty whilst i do not share Peters general dislike (lets try and keep it polite) for the police you have got to understand that for many if not all the hillsborough familys and fans there that day the behaviour and actions of the police were shameful and did come across as uncaring and gutless for want of a better term.

Hillsborough is a damn deep wound that unless you were there or were directly affected by it you cannot begin to grasp a whole range of emotions and feelings and for those people a decent degree of latitude should be afforded rather then constant criticism and i am talking about what i have read on other forums not just this one.
Actually the were many police who helped carry the dead and injured and they can be seen in the footage and photographs on that day, it is the ones who stood doing nothing that gets the vitriol and anger and quite rightly so those so called men are the ones who get the brunt of my anger.

I doubt that a single one would ever admit to standing there watching people die when a simple act of compassion such as the opening of a gate could have saved people or prevented injury, as above I would not want those images haunting my psyche for the rest of my life.

martyh 17-09-2012 18:53
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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35475226)
I have witnessed massacres not accidents but deliberate acts of mass killing from as little as six hundred metres away and orders prevented me from doing what i thought i should have done what was stopping those coppers that day and if it too was orders who gave them and lets be having them in the dock. Marty whilst i do not share Peters general dislike (lets try and keep it polite) for the police you have got to understand that for many if not all the hillsborough familys and fans there that day the behaviour and actions of the police were shameful and did come across as uncaring and gutless for want of a better term.

Hillsborough is a damn deep wound that unless you were there or were directly affected by it you cannot begin to grasp a whole range of emotions and feelings and for those people a decent degree of latitude should be afforded rather then constant criticism and i am talking about what i have read on other forums not just this one.
Maybe Peter and his ilk need to stop and think .They have been asking for justice for years ,now they have a chance ,so they need to make sure that the justice they want applies to all and that includes the innocent police who didn't know their reports had been altered ,simply shouting "lock 'em up" and calling them gutless is bang out of order

Peter_ 17-09-2012 18:54
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35475228)
You really don't have a clue how shock and inexperience show themselves do you .Your reaction is to call a young inexperienced copper who has just watched a man die gutless because he cannot do anything other than stand in shock at what he has just seen .I hope your attitude is not typical of most other scousers affected by this tragedy as any sympathy will rapidly evaporate .
A simple act such as unlocking the gates to the barrier would have shown them to have compassion.

As usual the term scouser comes out but do remember not every fan came from Liverpool such as Trevor Hicks and his two daughters who returned home in boxes.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/09/33.jpg Victoria (left) and Sarah Hicks were crushed to death in the 1989 disaster.

Peter_ 18-09-2012 05:25
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35475231)
Maybe Peter and his ilk need to stop and think .They have been asking for justice for years ,now they have a chance ,so they need to make sure that the justice they want applies to all and that includes the innocent police who didn't know their reports had been altered ,simply shouting "lock 'em up" and calling them gutless is bang out of order
Maybe you should lose the anti scouser attitude which we have had enough of for the last 23 years and now that it has been shown to the police in the wrong you cannot bring yourself to say anything wrong about the police.

I wonder if it was someone from your area you would have the same sentiments and love for them but I kind of doubt that as your disbelief that they could for one second be in the wrong compared to the real victims will be through you like a stick of Blackpool rock.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/09/32.jpg

Pierre 18-09-2012 15:34
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35475231)
Maybe Peter and his ilk need to stop and think .
Maybe you need to stop and think.......................I'll leave it there.

richard1960 18-09-2012 17:50
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Channel 4 try to interview Kelvin MaKenzie on tonights channel 4 news.

http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thoms...%20Manchester|

Maggy 26-09-2012 15:06
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...yside-19727779

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Ex-Sun editor Kelvin MacKenzie wants South Yorkshire Police to apologise for the "vilification" he received in the wake of the Hillsborough tragedy.
His lawyers have contacted the force asking for an apology, the BBC's Ross Hawkins reported.
What are his chances?

Chris 26-09-2012 19:12
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35478171)
I'd sooner bet on Hell making a successful bid to host the winter olympics

Pierre 26-09-2012 21:47
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Something's just don't surprise you.

But how he thinks he can get away with playing the victim?

He stood by his actions repeatedly and years later, so don't give me that bollocks Kelvin.

Maggy 28-09-2012 07:48
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-19753436

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South Yorkshire's chief constable says his force will not apologise to former Sun editor Kelvin MacKenzie over fallout from the Hillsborough disaster.
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In a statement David Crompton said: "SYP have received a letter from Kelvin MacKenzie's lawyers, which demands the force makes an apology to him.
"We have publicly apologised to the Hillsborough families and the Liverpool fans but we will not apologise to Mr MacKenzie.
"He chose to write his own headline and he should accept responsibility for it.
Well there you have it..I wonder what MacKenzie will do next?:erm:

Russ 28-09-2012 08:06
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Declare his Human Rights have been breached? That wouldn't shock me one bit.

martyh 28-09-2012 18:29
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Personally i think that they all should just belt up and stop demanding meaningless apologies and hurry up and find out exactly who was to blame so the families can put it behind them and move on instead of dragging this on for another decade

Peter_ 22-11-2012 15:38
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thenry 19-12-2012 14:03
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Hillsborough inquest verdicts quashed by High Court

The High Court has quashed the original inquest verdicts returned on 96 Liverpool football fans who died in the 1989 Hillsborough disaster.

The Lord Chief Justice Lord Judge ordered fresh inquests following an application by the Attorney General.

read more here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...yside-20772416
:tu:

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Prime Minister indicates VAT will be waived on the Hillsborough charity single.

Derek 20-05-2013 08:56
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http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22566230

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Crucial evidence from the 1989 Hillsborough football disaster, which was undermined at the original inquest, was true, BBC Panorama has found.

An off-duty police officer has always maintained he tried to treat a dying boy after the time at which the coroner said no-one could have survived.

His account cast doubt on medical evidence that supporters could not have survived beyond 15:15 on that day.

TheDaddy 20-08-2013 14:08
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The polices lack of sensitivity from start to finish has been breath taking

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-s...shire-23755568

denphone 02-09-2013 10:07
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Hillsborough police paid money found among the dead into force’s coffers.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-8793702.html

If this is true then it is truly appalling.

thenry 18-11-2013 16:26
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Hillsborough update

http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/sites/default...ember_2013.pdf

IPCC have now interviewed 101 Hillsborough officers. 9 refused to be interviewed and 7 were deemed not fit to be interviewed on health grounds.

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Sir John Major has apologised to the families of victims of the Hillsborough disaster for failing to order an inquiry when he was Prime Minister.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...-families.html
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IPCC update reveals criminal investigators will probe Hillsborough police's actions in gymnasium and boys' club

Latest release also confirms investigators have written to former Prime Minister John Major

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...gators-6315993

devilincarnate 10-01-2014 19:52
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Did anyone else see this?

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-25685107

Pierre 10-01-2014 22:05
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Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35661841)
Nope, neither do I care.

thenry 03-02-2014 16:15
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Survivors of Hillsborough have said they were intimidated and threatened by police from the independent force asked to investigate the football disaster.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25947994

Derek 03-04-2014 09:57
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Details of how the Hillsborough disaster impacted on the families of those who died will be heard at their inquests in Warrington later.

Relatives of nine of the 96 who died as a result of overcrowding at an FA Cup semi-final in April 1989 will give background statements.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-26866318

Is this common? Surely an inquest should only hear the facts, as best they can be established, to come to a verdict rather than emotional evidence that has no bearing on how the deaths occurred.

Chris 03-04-2014 13:48
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An inquest is supposed to establish the identity of the deceased, the time and location of their death, the medical cause of death and the verdict in law. Legally, it is strictly limited to those objectives however most of the inquests I covered as a hack allowed background evidence about the deceased, basically because it was a last chance to say nice things about someone whose death was sudden or unexplained, for the benefit of the relatives. So I'd say there are a good few acres of precedent for this approach.

Derek 03-04-2014 14:16
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Fair enough, I was under the impression they were fairly dry affairs interested in only the facts.

Chris 03-04-2014 15:19
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On the contrary, on our paper they were a reliable source of tear-jerking human interest stories, without even having to approach the family for a quote.

Then sometimes they really do kick off, I covered one in which two kids died in a fatal house fire caused by fag ends and almost certainly exacerbated by the layabout father removing the batteries from the council-installed smoke alarm because it went off every time his wife fried chips. Their relationship broke up as a result and when the inquest came round they tried to kill each other in the public gallery...

Russ 13-06-2014 10:06
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http://labourlist.org/2014/06/why-mi...akes-no-sense/

Milliband demonstrating how he's a blokey "man of the people".

Damien 13-06-2014 10:24
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I think he's been kidnapped and this is proof he is still alive.

Hugh 13-06-2014 10:25
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He doesn't look alive - he looks like a waxwork....

thenry 13-06-2014 10:29
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Why is he swearing

heero_yuy 13-06-2014 10:51
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It's probably really a copy of "Socialist Worker" and the spin department have photoshopped a copy of the Sun in.

richard s 13-06-2014 13:01
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The Liverpool fans who just kept piling in at that end of the ground - I wonder what their memories and thoughts are now.

Hugh 13-06-2014 14:16
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35706586)
http://labourlist.org/2014/06/why-mi...akes-no-sense/

Milliband demonstrating how he's a blokey "man of the people".
And now he's sorry.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27829958

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Ed Miliband has apologised for any offence caused after he posed with a copy of the Sun newspaper.

Damien 13-06-2014 14:37
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Miliband must surely have one of the worst political instincts of a party leader for a good while, maybe only rivaled by IDS. It's criminal how bad he is. He frequently misses opportunities to gain an advantage and walks into so many unforced mistakes. He is almost a non-entity, in the European Elections he was nowhere to be seen. It's almost as if he is paralyzed between embracing his own reserved geeky (for want of a better word) style and a desire to be more dynamic. He just seems really uncomfortable in being the later.

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That said he is ahead in the polls. Maybe his entire plan is to as quiet as possible and let the Tories fight amongst themselves.....He might actually be a political genius.

thenry 13-06-2014 16:18
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It could be Labour genius. Public demand Labour to install electable candidate = landslide victory.

Pierre 13-06-2014 19:48
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Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35706614)
The Liverpool fans who just kept piling in at that end of the ground - I wonder what their memories and thoughts are now.
Probably thinking you're a dick

Osem 13-06-2014 21:13
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35706623)
Well of course he is. He's sorry because he's made himself look like a completely out of touch **** masquerading as someone who cares about real people. Makes you wonder why anyone buys the sort of guff he and his party spout in their attempt to lie their way back into power.

He's only 'sorry' because he's been caught out and exposed for the duplicitous opportunist he is.

Axelrod looks like he was really good value... :D

Maggy 14-06-2014 10:01
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So how about Cameron and Clegg who also obliged the Sun by doing the same thing..Don't they need to apologise as well?

martyh 14-06-2014 10:11
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Don't know what the fuss is about ,the second edition of the Sun was promoting the world cup ,nothing to do with Hillsborough.I think some perspective is needed

Hugh 14-06-2014 10:23
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35706827)
So how about Cameron and Clegg who also obliged the Sun by doing the same thing..Don't they need to apologise as well?
most people in Liverpool already dislike them anyway....;)

Damien 14-06-2014 10:33
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35706828)
Don't know what the fuss is about ,the second edition of the Sun was promoting the world cup ,nothing to do with Hillsborough.I think some perspective is needed
It's just politically tone-deaf if anything.

Maggy 14-06-2014 15:35
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35706831)
most people in Liverpool already dislike them anyway....;)
I'm just saying that some people keep asking for balance when it comes to politics but also fail to exercise that balance from time to time.;)

Hugh 15-06-2014 18:05
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35706875)
I'm just saying that some people keep asking for balance when it comes to politics but also fail to exercise that balance from time to time.;)
It didn't bother me who held up copies of the Sun - I was pointing out that it seemed to bother others, and that Mr. M felt the need to apologise.

I personally think he lost more support by apologising than by the initial action.....

richard s 16-06-2014 13:04
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35706717)
Probably thinking you're a dick

Cheers for that you frogy git.

Qtx 16-06-2014 14:32
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35706751)
Well of course he is. He's sorry because he's made himself look like a completely out of touch **** masquerading as someone who cares about real people.
Considering everything else going on in the country and elsewhere, holding up a newspaper is hardly crime of the century.

It's understandable many are upset with the Sun over Hillsborough but to give a politician so much grief to force an apology is a bit OTT for what it is. It's fair enough people not liking it and using it as a reason not to vote for him, but forcing an apology when the intentions were to support our country is wrong.

It really is a shame people lost their loved ones in this incident but bashing everyone over every little connection doesn't benefit anyone.

thenry 29-06-2014 17:56
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you couldn't make it up..

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Six Irishmen visiting Merseyside for a charity cycle ride in memory of the Hillsborough victims have had their bikes stolen outside Anfield.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...yside-28078457

Damien 29-06-2014 18:36
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They'll be lucky to get out of Liverpool alive.

TheDaddy 29-12-2016 19:52
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Admirable response from the prof imo

http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news...-35328395.html

OhReally 29-12-2016 21:12
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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35710644)
you couldn't make it up..
Makes a change from nicking hubcaps I suppose...

This will definitely offend some people

adzii_nufc 30-12-2016 00:18
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There's a set of ****** fans at every club, including my own. The ones that continued the tradition of reminding Leeds fans that Jimmy was one of their own. :erm:

Luckily disasters like this are rare inside stadiums, especially in England now, unfortunately tragedies still strike via one in a million chance, I.E the South American plane crash. The quality of stadiums keeps getting better as does the football on the pitch. Hooliganism on the other hand still makes it's rare appearance, remembering scenes from the Tyne-Wear derby in 2013

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...tle-derby.html

It's a sport I love, with a team I'll never stop supporting. Every fan of every team should be able to go home safe at the end of the day and that's all I care about.

OhReally 30-12-2016 18:24
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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35878335)
There's a set of ****** fans at every club, including my own. The ones that continued the tradition of reminding Leeds fans that Jimmy was one of their own. :erm:

Luckily disasters like this are rare inside stadiums, especially in England now, unfortunately tragedies still strike via one in a million chance, I.E the South American plane crash. The quality of stadiums keeps getting better as does the football on the pitch. Hooliganism on the other hand still makes it's rare appearance, remembering scenes from the Tyne-Wear derby in 2013

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...tle-derby.html

It's a sport I love, with a team I'll never stop supporting. Every fan of every team should be able to go home safe at the end of the day and that's all I care about.
So, that'll be "justice for the 39" then?


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