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denphone 08-08-2012 10:44
Re: Is BT a threat to Virgin Media
 
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Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35461041)
I'm sure just a couple of years ago Branson announced that he expected to have cabled the whole country, or at least most of it, by now.
Thats the first time l have ever heard of that Andy.

andy_m 08-08-2012 10:45
Re: Is BT a threat to Virgin Media
 
I'm desperately looking for the link...

andy_m 08-08-2012 13:37
Re: Is BT a threat to Virgin Media
 
Can't find anything-possibly confusing quotes that he planned to offer a TV service to the whole country, that doesn't necessarily mean by cable, obviously.

carlwaring 08-08-2012 13:49
Re: Is BT a threat to Virgin Media
 
That will be more like it. VM have, in the past, said they got into the Tivo specifically because of its IPTV capability; so they could eventually offer it in non-cable areas.

Telly_ 08-08-2012 23:11
Re: Is BT a threat to Virgin Media
 
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Originally Posted by Top banana (Post 35460974)
Tellys post - In my office we get the impression VM are feeling like a headless chicken right now. Not quite sure where they fit in the market over the next 5 years, where is thier strength, the USP?

Telly - I will probably get banned for this <edit Rob: if you know it's against the site's rules, don't say it>. VM have got a superb game plan and are not running around like headless chickens. How do I know? Because I invest in media companies and VM are one of the best investments in the community I work within, they have the products, the infrastructure, the brand and lots of other blinding opportunities up their sleeves that you would never have any idea about. Lets look at some facts from an investment perspective -

If you look at both companies results you will see the following. VM have 4.8 million customers from the 12 million homes they pass and Sky have 10.6 million customers from the 26 million homes that they could take their services.

Therefore, VM has 40% penetration into homes that they pass and Sky has 40% penetration into the homes they could serve.

However Sky does not have Virgin as a competitor in half the country whereas Virgin does have Sky as a competitor in all the areas it operates in.

Therefore it’s logical that if Virgin were nationwide they could have more customers than Sky.

I appreciate that may be hard for your Sky biased head to follow - Telly - but facts are facts and the facts are that a huge number of people are happy with what VM offer.

And BTW - 64.6% of Virgin Media customers take a triple package, in comparison 32% of Sky customers are on triple. Skys claim of being the biggest triple play company is simply based on volume and is typical spin doctoring from Sky!

So why not bugger off to a Sky forum where you can all believe in better together - like lemmings!!

Sky have more tripple pay customers then Virignmedia that is a fact and its growing.

Also you comment that investors prefer Virginmedia to Sky, With the greatest respect I have to disagree.

1 company made £1.2billion profit with 11 million customers, the most sports rights and EPL rights all movies rights and a great future. The other company creates no content, has zero content rights and is £7billion is debt.

Please never become a fund manager, this is not anti VM its factual.

carlwaring 08-08-2012 23:23
Re: Is BT a threat to Virgin Media
 
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Originally Posted by Telly_ (Post 35461339)
Sky have more tripple pay customers then Virignmedia that is a fact and its growing.
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And BTW - 64.6% of Virgin Media customers take a triple package, in comparison 32% of Sky customers are on triple.
If this is true, and I have no reason to doubt it, then how can Telly's statement be a fact? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Telly_ (Post 35461339)
1 company made £1.2billion profit with 11 million customers, the most sports rights and EPL rights all movies rights and a great future. The other company creates no content, has zero content rights and is £7billion is debt.
Apart from their thousands of hours of OnDemand content, you mean?

How much true OD does Sky have again? :)

Stephen 09-08-2012 00:12
Re: Is BT a threat to Virgin Media
 
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Originally Posted by Telly_ (Post 35461339)
Sky have more tripple pay customers then Virignmedia that is a fact and its growing.

Also you comment that investors prefer Virginmedia to Sky, With the greatest respect I have to disagree.

1 company made £1.2billion profit with 11 million customers, the most sports rights and EPL rights all movies rights and a great future. The other company creates no content, has zero content rights and is £7billion is debt.

Please never become a fund manager, this is not anti VM its factual.
Oh how wrong you are on everything the. VM have plenty of content right. How else could they have such a large VOD catalogue.

You may say they have more triple play customers but VM isn't available in as large an area so that would be totally different if VM had the same coverage area. But then VM have quad service customers as well :)

Telly_ 09-08-2012 00:25
Re: Is BT a threat to Virgin Media
 
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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35461381)
Oh how wrong you are on everything the. VM have plenty of content right. How else could they have such a large VOD catalogue.

You may say they have more triple play customers but VM isn't available in as large an area so that would be totally different if VM had the same coverage area. But then VM have quad service customers as well :)
I'm not wrong, Sky have more tripple pay TV/BB/PHONE customers than Virginmedia thats just fact.

VM have more ondemand right now due to iPlayer,4ondemand,5ondemand, ITV Player.....All of which are coming to Sky this year, oh and they have Sky anytime but not Anytime+.

Someone should look into VM withholding access to its ondemand network its not competitive.

Stephen 09-08-2012 00:42
Re: Is BT a threat to Virgin Media
 
I believe VM does have anytime but doesn't need the + as that's just the way Sky have two different services for the different content.

Also it's triple with one p. where are you getting the info for this fact?

andy_m 09-08-2012 09:50
Re: Is BT a threat to Virgin Media
 
Sky have a higher number of triple play customers than Virgin. A higher proportion of Virgin's customers are on triple play so if Virgin were available in as many homes as Sky is it is probable that Virgin would have more triple play customers. Since Virgin isn't available in as many homes as Sky I'm not sure why anyone is surprised that Sky have more customers.

Mr Banana 09-08-2012 18:48
Re: Is BT a threat to Virgin Media
 
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Originally Posted by Telly_ (Post 35461390)
I'm not wrong, Sky have more tripple pay TV/BB/PHONE customers than Virginmedia thats just fact.

VM have more ondemand right now due to iPlayer,4ondemand,5ondemand, ITV Player.....All of which are coming to Sky this year, oh and they have Sky anytime but not Anytime+.

Someone should look into VM withholding access to its ondemand network its not competitive.
Don't you love it when people can't do basic maths. For the last time skys numbers are base on the fact that they have larger customers base

denphone 09-08-2012 18:57
Re: Is BT a threat to Virgin Media
 
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Originally Posted by Top banana (Post 35461597)
Don't you love it when people can't do basic maths. For the last time skys numbers are base on the fact that they have larger customers base
Exactly TB because as we know Virgin coverage of the country is only 52% so to have the amount of customers that it does shows how well it is doing in the overall scheme of things.

Telly_ 09-08-2012 19:02
Re: Is BT a threat to Virgin Media
 
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Originally Posted by Top banana (Post 35461597)
Don't you love it when people can't do basic maths. For the last time skys numbers are base on the fact that they have larger customers base

God you're hard work, I'm saying sky have more triple pay customers than virginmedia. That's all, just like virgin have more quad pay customers as Sky don't offer a mobile service.

My math is fine but I'm not talking percentages I'm talking the total amount of triple pay customers. An Sky have the most and it's growing.

carlwaring 09-08-2012 19:08
Re: Is BT a threat to Virgin Media
 
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Originally Posted by Telly_ (Post 35461390)
VM have more ondemand right now due to iPlayer,4ondemand,5ondemand, ITV Player.....All of which are coming to Sky this year...
And, after that, VM will still have more OnDemand than Sky :)

27monksbury 10-08-2012 08:49
Re: Is BT a threat to Virgin Media
 
BT and Virgin Media have to keep trading it is only with competition that there is any incentive to improve. The INTERNET for TV and radio seems the way to go. However, Sky's own channels, sport, Atlantic, and movies gives them a monopoly to set and fix prices. It's anticompetitive to withhold Sky Atlantic from Virgin, and charge for HD. Its preposterous for a company to say if you want a perfect picture instead of an inferior one you must pay more. In America there would be an anti trust court case. In the News of the world case, and in the Leveson enquire we saw the insidious undermining of our democracy by terrifying media power being used to swing elections in favor of one party or another. Who set Vince Cable up? Was it because he was against The bid for BSKYB? The one who replaced him was mired in controversy, with secret back door communications being alleged. Sky must not be allowed to snuff out competition. With their present track record would you trust them?

carlwaring 10-08-2012 09:59
Re: Is BT a threat to Virgin Media
 
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Originally Posted by 27monksbury (Post 35461724)
Its preposterous for a company to say if you want a perfect picture instead of an inferior one you must pay more.
OMG! What the heck did HD snobs do before HD was invented? :rolleyes:

Hugh 10-08-2012 10:22
Re: Is BT a threat to Virgin Media
 
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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35461733)
OMG! What the heck did HD snobs do before HD was invented? :rolleyes:
Same thing people who listen to stereo sound did (did without) - doesn't mean mono was great, though.

I will watch HD versions in preference to SD (but will watch SD if that is the only version available), and only buy BluRay DVDs.

Preferring HD doesn't make one a snob - why settle for second best?

heavyside 10-08-2012 11:24
Re: Is BT a threat to Virgin Media
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35461738)
Same thing people who listen to stereo sound did (did without) - doesn't mean mono was great, though.

I will watch HD versions in preference to SD (but will watch SD if that is the only version available), and only buy BluRay DVDs.

Preferring HD doesn't make one a snob - why settle for second best?
I'm old enough to remember when all TV was in black and white. Then along came colour. Nowadays, who watches black and white TV? It's the same with HD. Given the choice I'd rather watch in higher definition rather than lower as would just about everyone else. It's called evolution.

carlwaring 10-08-2012 11:36
Re: Is BT a threat to Virgin Media
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35461738)
Same thing people who listen to stereo sound did (did without) - doesn't mean mono was great, though.
But we didn't know any better. Just as with HD now.

Doesn't mean that SD is "inferior", just not quite as clear. Still perfectly watchable though.

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I will watch HD versions in preference to SD (but will watch SD if that is the only version available)
Exactly. Me too.

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and only buy BluRay DVDs.
Meh! I find BD too good it seems somehow fake. Yes, I know, that's just weird!

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Preferring HD doesn't make one a snob - why settle for second best?
I prefer HD. I just don't think SD is "inferior" as we've managed with it since the 60s; or thereabouts.

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Originally Posted by heavyside (Post 35461752)
I'm old enough to remember when all TV was in black and white. Then along came colour. Nowadays, who watches black and white TV? It's the same with HD. Given the choice I'd rather watch in higher definition rather than lower as would just about everyone else. It's called evolution.
Absolutely. I just hate these people (though admittedly the OP does not seem to be one of them despite their poor choice of description) who insist they now won't watch anything unless it's in HD. (And there are one or two over on the DS Forums at least!)

muppetman11 10-08-2012 12:46
Re: Is BT a threat to Virgin Media
 
Your not a sports fan that's for sure , I hate watching football in SD the PQ is vastly inferior to its HD counterpart , with 3 TV's in our house of 42" or larger trust me the difference is massive.

Dave42 10-08-2012 13:02
Re: Is BT a threat to Virgin Media
 
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35461764)
Your not a sports fan that's for sure , I hate watching football in SD the PQ is vastly inferior to its HD counterpart , with 3 TV's in our house of 42" or larger trust me the difference is massive.
agree could not watch football in SD again MM

andy_m 10-08-2012 13:14
Re: Is BT a threat to Virgin Media
 
Agreed with regards to sport, but also with Carl that for other things its really not the most important thing.

Dave42 10-08-2012 13:23
Re: Is BT a threat to Virgin Media
 
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Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35461771)
Agreed with regards to sport, but also with Carl that for other things its really not the most important thing.
would say makes big difference on movies too

kop32 10-08-2012 13:39
Re: Is BT a threat to Virgin Media
 
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35461767)
agree could not watch football in SD again MM
Ditto,even though when watching my beloved LFC sometimes I wish it was only available on the Radio....:D

denphone 10-08-2012 14:22
Re: Is BT a threat to Virgin Media
 
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35461764)
Your not a sports fan that's for sure , I hate watching football in SD the PQ is vastly inferior to its HD counterpart , with 3 TV's in our house of 42" or larger trust me the difference is massive.
For once l have to agree with you.:bigcry::D

Telly_ 10-08-2012 14:54
Re: Is BT a threat to Virgin Media
 
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35461764)
Your not a sports fan that's for sure , I hate watching football in SD the PQ is vastly inferior to its HD counterpart , with 3 TV's in our house of 42" or larger trust me the difference is massive.
I would disagree, I have had a season ticket to Villa park since I was a new born (My grandad got it) I go to at least 3 F1 Grand Prix a year. I watch my local none league football team on ocassion.

I go to watch live Golf, Tennis...Any way you get the drift and I watch football in SD on occasion and I am just as passionate as when I watch it in HD. Of course neither comes any where near an afternoon on the Holt end. So sports fans will love their sport in SD or HD believe me.

Infact I would watch my Villa in black and white on 3 Inch battery operated TV, if it was my only option and I would LOVE it. I watch quite a bit of sport on my iPhone via Skygo and love it.

passingbat 10-08-2012 15:49
Re: Is BT a threat to Virgin Media
 
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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35461754)
I prefer HD. I just don't think SD is "inferior" as we've managed with it since the 60s; or thereabouts.
Nit picking your statement here, but wheather you think it or not, SD is inferior; it has fewer pixels than SD. Therefore on your HD TV, some of the pixels on an SD picture are just 'an nteligent guess' at what they should be.

carlwaring 10-08-2012 15:55
Re: Is BT a threat to Virgin Media
 
And yet I don't get any less enjoyment out of watching something in SD than I do when watching something in SD; whether one is technically "superior" or not.

Which was my point. Which I think you knew ;)

muppetman11 10-08-2012 16:14
Re: Is BT a threat to Virgin Media
 
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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35461821)
And yet I don't get any less enjoyment out of watching something in SD than I do when watching something in SD; whether one is technically "superior" or not.

Which was my point. Which I think you knew ;)
If the content is good , I agree you can enjoy in SD however as PB said the format is inferior. Some channels have better bit rates than others , Universal was always a poor SD picture , also didnt you say your flatscreen was only 32" the larger you go the more HD becomes preferable.

passingbat 10-08-2012 16:22
Re: Is BT a threat to Virgin Media
 
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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35461821)
Which was my point. Which I think you knew ;)
And why I used the term 'nit picking' ;)

Hugh 10-08-2012 16:31
Re: Is BT a threat to Virgin Media
 
Anyhoo, back on topic, please....

carlwaring 10-08-2012 16:34
Re: Is BT a threat to Virgin Media
 
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35461824)
..also didnt you say your flatscreen was only 32" the larger you go the more HD becomes preferable.
37" actually. Should have gone for the 42" though :(


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