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Agree m8 that's what I mean, Celtic are still good enough to survive in the EPL which has a dozen poor to average sides. Anyway Killie at the weekend.

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I think Celtic would struggle against EPL sides. Championship sides would cause them issues.

Don't confuse a one off game as being great. Rubin beat barcelona a couple of years ago.

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Are you having a laugh?

Rangers play defensively away in Europe and get slaughtered in the press for playing 'anti-football'. Celtic get run ragged round the pitch and park the bus in front of the goals and all of a sudden lemon is a tactical genius.

http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionslea...view/influence

90/10 possession in favour of Barca. If it wasn't for the EPL reject in goals it would have been a cricket score.

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Was that not the rubbish spouted when Rangers were kicked out the league? That attendances would soar with a new competitiveness for European football each year.

How's that working out for them then?

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In their dreams. Funnily enough the actual attendance figures at games this year has been consistently 10k or so below the reported figure. Even for 3PM Saturday games not on TV they are lucky if Snake Mountain is half full.

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What a lot of absolute deluded nonsense:rolleyes:

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What saddens me in the SPL and also EPL is the lack of attendances in overall competitions.

I was watching a cup game recently, the ground was nearly empty, and l know that this is the 'scottish' thread, but the lack of crowds in the various comps no matter what the club, the crowds are porr which goes to show that fans can longer afford to get into grounds.

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So when Rangers were derided for playing anti-football a few years back did you disagree?

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Only a non-football person or a Celtic hater could compare Rangers all out defence against the likes of Panathiniakos with the display of Neil Lennon's men against the team that is widely regarded as the best in the world.

It was the class of Barca that pushed Celtic back - not by adopting Uncle Walter tactics. Celtic began with 2 up front whereas the only offensive thing about Rangers in Europe was the behaviour of their bigotted fans.

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Snake Mountain? Don't know where that is. The only snakes I'm aware of in Glasgow are those slithering over the corpse of your former club.

You haven't answered yet Deek? How many shares are you in for;)

Are you going by official Strathclyde Police figures? Chucky Green's wild estimates from the Bigotdome don't bear up to comparison with those ;)

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Ah OK then. So defending like their lives depended on it is OK for celtic and their team of £25 million rated superstars :rofl: but bad if its Rangers when reduced to 10 men.

Nope just going by my eyes. Most of the games I've seen from Ibrox are a glorious sea of red, white and blue whereas most of the games from the Glasgow City Council arena have the 'fans' going all out for halloween early dressed as green seats.

Anyway away from the good (Rangers), the bad (celtic) and the ugly (Lennon) it looks like Mad Vlad might have something else to worry about aside from checking down the back of the sofa for change to pay his players with and who is going to buy Tynecastle when Hearts fold.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...redirect=false

Oops. Still at least their recently announced share issue might cover the shortfall. :D

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So Rangers only played with 10 men throughout Uncle Walter's reign. :shocked:

Deluded or what.? Smith only played the one way, home or away. If he had the option to play a bonus player he'd have played 5-5-1.

It's beginning to get a bit boring to have to keep pointing out that your stats don't actually bear any resemblence to real facts....it's beginning to feel a bit like the "explaining debt to a hun" video.

Celtic did only have 26% possession (official UEFA stat - not the 10% quoted by you and some sections of the Scottish media), but anybody with half a football brain could see that the loss of Samaras contributed greatly to the lack of out ball.

So your new fascination with crowds doesn't extend to any actual factual evidence.:erm: Distort and deflect

Can you explain to me why the followers of this new club have this fascination for crowd figures?
I use the word followers because it's yet to be proven if there are supporters of this zombie club or it's just an excuse for a bigotted gathering on the south side of Glasgow every couple of weeks.
Your old club were the 2nd best supported club in Glasgow. Just because there's a bigotfest every couple of weeks and they only charge half a crown to get in doesn't make it a well supported team. The litmus test will be how much of the giro money goes to buying shares or not.

How much are you in for Deek? ;)

I see you focus on Hearts predicament (do you see any irony?). Does it hurt when you read the positive news from the SPL?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20084786

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I agree with Londonroad, trying to compare Ranger's anti-football with Celtic's defensive play is chalk and cheese.

Rangers were happy to keep 10 men behind the ball. Celtic attacked, albeit gave ball away too quickly to capitalise.

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Distort and deflect. Coming from a follower of celtic that takes irony to a new level.

Possibly because the other SPL club followers were going out of their way to gloat over the predicament of Rangers saying the fans would fade away. Since then the crowds have stayed static and even improved on last year. Other clubs can't say the same.

:rolleyes:

Ah the usual. Can't win an argument so resort to petty slurs.

None of your business. Just like I'm not interested in how many shares you have from any of celtics many share issues over the years.

Whenever there is any positive news I'll let you know. :D

Still with hearts circling the drain I hope there is the same witch hunt against them.

Living outwith their means? - Check.
Using tax avoidance schemes which HMRC say are illegal? - Check.
Allegedly having players incorrectly registered? - Check.

Seems they should be on their way to SPL3 in the name of sporting integrity.

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Whatever. I agree with the Rayo Vallecano coach.

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Poor poor hurting Derek.

Petty slurs :shocked: The slurs were started by you and you're correct I shouldn't have lowered myself to your level. Have a look through some of your posts when you refer to Celtic and you might realise that you're the champ at petty slurs. You could get another star on your shirt for that ;)

It matters not to me what you say about our stadium, our team or whether our manager is ugly or not. :rolleyes:

Your club is dead because you allowed it to die. Even when the truth is readily available you have still tried to defend Murray and put all the blame on Whyte. Only Sevco fans can't see that they're still being fleeced.... by the current owners, by the Scottish Media and by the football authorities.

If Hearts tick all the boxes you claim then they should face the consequences.

There was no witchhunt. Scottish football fans only wanted justice. It's ironic that Sevco fans are paranoid about what happened to their former club. You seem to fail to understand that the consequences should have been that you ceased to exist. That's what liquidation means. There should be no senior football, the new club should be starting at a non-league level and working it's way up. You were given a helping hand. The SPL and The SFA put out every scare story possible to warn the football public about armageddon. There was no demotion of your club to SFL3. The licence ceased to exist. Every rule possible was twisted so that you could apply to join the SFL. They even tried their best to shoehorn you into the top level of the SFL but fan power put paid that too.

The message that you fail to comprehend is that armageddon is prefarable to distorting the rules to favour one club. Sporting integrity is paramount to any competition.

You should have let your club die with dignity.

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Once again concur with Londonroad.

If hearts broke the rules they should get punished.

But the bitternness coming from Derek is not about justice, but striven from a feeling of injustice. The "how dare they punish Rangers" syndrome.

Lashing out everywhere, because Rangers got their due punishment for cheating, is just sad.

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Wrong once again. Rangers have been punished, and I have no problem with that, for their 'crimes'

What I do have an issue with is the vindictiveness shown to them and the intention to hammer them for everything, regardless of its rights and wrongs and the way rules are made up on the fly to suit whatever, or whoevers, agenda.

Yes Rangers used EBT's but so did at least one other club. At least Rangers declared their use every year. Surely if there was a problem this should have been spotted after one year and not just waved through until 10 years down the line.

What happens? Rangers get a punishment decided upon and then a kangaroo court convened to justify the punishment where the other club get told their use was OK and no investigation is needed. Maybe they were just living up to their charitable history :rofl: by giving a player a big chunk of money not declared after he had stopped playing for them. :rolleyes:

Forgive me for laughing when a bunch of other clubs circle the drain despite their protests that "we don't need Rangers" and look forward to them receiving the exact same punishment for Rangers in the name of 'sporting integrity'

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As said many times in this thread. Using EBT's is ok, illegally using them, a no no.

Rangers, were on the "no no" side, and were stupid at it.

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Let’s see if we can remove some of the delusions surrounding this and burst some of the myths. The truth is readily available if you really want to know it.

EBTs are perfectly legal when they are properly used. The way that they were used can be divided 3 ways in terms of how they were utilised by Rangers.

1. The correct way. A discretionary, non contractual payment. This may have been how some of the Rangers EBTs were utilised, e.g. Sir Minty creamed off £6M to himself.

2. The pay off EBT. Used to buy out a players contract. Deemed by HMRC to be liable for tax. There is no side letter or second contract because it’s used to terminate the contract. This is the type of EBT set up for Billy Dodds and Junhino.
Celtic, on the advice of HMRC, subsequently paid the tax which is why they don’t have a case to answer. Junhino wasn’t paid any more than was stipulated in the original contract submitted to the authorities. Again, Move along, nothing to see there.

3. The contractual EBT. Players had side letters, aka second contracts, promising them EBT payments as part of their football duties. This misuse of the scheme is not only tax evasion but breaks every football rule on registering players. The consequence of fielding improperly registered players is the automatic awarding of the match 3-0 to the opposition. Note that this is a consequence, not a punishment.

In case the use of the names Celtic and Rangers is fogging the issue for you, let’s compare two Scottish teams in a parallel universe:

Perth City and Perth United are deadly rivals, both have similar sized crowds and sponsorship deals, etc. Perth United and Perth City are both keen to sign Joe Smith, Perth City offer 10K a week because anything more would break their budget. He signs for Perth United and the player is registered as a United player on a salary of £8K a week.

It later transpires that Joe Smith had an EBT that paid him £3K a week. Perth United can only afford this because they don’t have to pay tax, employers NI etc on the additional income.

Now, that’s unfair to all the other teams in any competition that Perth Utd are entered into.

Not paying tax is also unfair on all the Government departments who have had their budgets cut, and by extension unfair on all the users of those services: NHS patients, Frontline soldiers, social services. I’ve even heard that some police departments have suffered ;)

You’re correct that the transfer embargo was invented specifically to deal with you. You do realise that the alternative to that was a total ban. You should be grateful.

If Minty and Cardigan had imposed their own transfer ban 5 years ago you could have almost wiped out the tax you owed at that time. You’d still be the same club in the wonderfully atmospheric SPL instead of the zombie tribute band currently trading in the dungeons.

It’s really shameful to see a once proud Glasgow Club being stripped to the bones and being passed from one vulture to another. The very people who should be doing something are spending too much energy hoping that other teams fail. The obvious glee at every potential piece of bad news is as undignified as the way you allowed your club to die.

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:D

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I assume you are referring to the result last night? It must be the first time ICT have come to Glasgow and got a win in a cup game? Oh maybe not...

Maybe your just surprised that the best supported team in Glasgow, who have lost most of their team, lost to a team several divisions above them. I'm not, it was never going to be a walkover.

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And yet when Rangers used them a list of punishments was drawn up, circulated and after that they decided to bring together a committee to justify the punishments.

When celtic used them (and quite possibly other clubs as well, despite their assertions otherwise!) there was no enquiry, no sanctions. Everything was brushed under the carpet quietly.

All the Rangers fans want it to be treated equally. That hasn't happened so far. Once hearts, motherwell and a few other clubs hit the wall hard we will see if they have the same level of bitterness directed at them.

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And yet when Rangers used them a list of punishments was drawn up, circulated and after that they decided to bring together a committee to justify the punishments.

When celtic used them (and quite possibly other clubs as well, despite their assertions otherwise!) there was no enquiry, no sanctions. Everything was brushed under the carpet quietly.

All the Rangers fans want it to be treated equally. That hasn't happened so far. Once hearts, motherwell and a few other clubs hit the wall hard we will see if they have the same level of bitterness directed at them.[/QUOTE]

You are missing the point. rangers were using EBT illegally. They were caught using them, and were blatantly using them illegally.

But EBT are ok..just not to supplement wages in a contractual way. At Rangers, it was part of salary, and they stated the expectation of it being used that way.

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Rangers fans want to be treated equally? In what way are Rangers fans being treated unfairly?

You stick your heads in the sand and try to blame everybody but the people who brought this shame on the club.

Not one person from Rangers has shown the slightest sign of contrition for years of cheating, tax evasion and probably fraud.

You'd rather push this paranoid "we are the people" attitude and show real bitterness to anybody who offers unbiased opinion based on the facts that are available for all..... if they want to know.

Society as a whole is a loser but I suppose some people gain from this... like police officers who get overtime to protect all these people being threatened by fans of this new club. :(

Newco, same colours, more shameful.

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Am told the Green Brigade are working on an amazing display for the Barca game. They were up at Celtic park for hours yesterday and will be again today. Can't wait for this game!!!! Probably getted whupped but hey.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/11/44.jpg

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I've heard this too. Special banner for the 125th anniversary. A great game to unveil it.

I'm working in Ayr on Wednesday and it's probable I'll have to work late:(

Is there anybody on this forum can lend me a blue flashing light for the evening ;)

We've still got the little matter of Dundee Utd today before we can look ahead to Barca though. :D

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No Hooper, Sammy, Forrest and obviously Stokes, bit worried about today. Not keen on Charlie in midfield either :shocked: Pity u can't make the Barca game m8 :(

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It gives Watt a run. Now that you've voiced your concerns about Charlie he'll probably open the scoring:D

I know what you mean though.

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Craig Levein exits as Scotland coach following talks

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20205303

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I see they got a Rangers fan to check their spelling this time. :dozey: :D

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The display is to celebrate Celtic's 125th Birthday which it today.


Harpy Burpday Celtic. 125 years of unbroken history :D

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125 years since Pacific Shelf 595 was set up. Brother Waldrid had some foresight... And you would think in that time the groin brigade would be able to spell the name of their club correctly. :dunce:

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/5981/celtcao2.jpg

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Time to burst another of your deluded myths.

See if you can check the spelling of this. Freely available from Companies House:

Name & Registered Office:
CELTIC PLC
CELTIC PARK
GLASGOW
G40 3RE
Company No. SC003487



Status: Active
Date of Incorporation: 12/04/1897

Country of Origin: United Kingdom
Company Type: Public Limited Company
Nature of Business (SIC):
93110 - Operation of sports facilities
93120 - Activities of sport clubs
Accounting Reference Date: 30/06
Last Accounts Made Up To: 30/06/2011 (GROUP)
Next Accounts Due: 31/12/2012
Last Return Made Up To: 31/12/2011
Next Return Due: 28/01/2013
Last Members List: 31/12/2010
Last Bulk Shareholders List: 31/12/2010
Previous Names:
Date of change Previous Name
15/12/1994 THE CELTIC FOOTBALL AND ATHLETIC COMPANY LIMITED

:dunce:

If you so desire, I'll provide you with a fuller explanation of where Pacific Shelf 595 comes into it. It's really standard business, unlike not paying your taxes. ;)

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1897? 125th birthday?

Obviously maths isn't a strong point for your average Celtic fan either.

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Maybe you should have googled the meaning of incorporation before you showed your ignorance.

I'll give you a clue: Rangers(RIP) were incoporated in 1899.

Bloody facts aren't a strong point for your average Rangers fan.

Celtic were formaly constituted in a meeting on the 6th November 1887. Can you check that Maths for me?

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So what you are saying is the club itself is more important than the company behind it?

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Not sure how you've got that what I've posted. Have you rearranged some of the letters or something? You haven't read what incorporation means, have you?

I was responding to your suggestion that the Pacifc shelf belonged on Celtic's History line. It doesn't, thus the unbroken history.

You should really get another source for your information. It's the myths spun by Murray moonbeams, Crooky Whyte and the latest Chucky halfwit that sunk your club.

Even Wikipedia is a reliable source of information compared to them. ;)

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Looks like injury list is lengthening for tomorrow :( Really looking forward to it though. Seen some amazing European nights at Celtic park including beating Barca, Man Utd, Juve, Milan etc. Can't see it tomorrow but will enjoy it none the less :)

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Yes good luck to Celtic tomorrow Henke.

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I'm polishing my boots just in case.:D

I haven't worn my adidas George Best for a while but I'm glad I've kept them ;)

....For we only know that there's gonny be a show and the Glasgow Celtic will be there :D:D

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:)

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http://m.local.stv.tv/edinburgh/news...paid-tax-bill/

Not paying taxes, financial doping by having players they can't afford? Div3 for you, while you're at it strip anything they have won recently (shouldn't take long)

All in the name of sporting integrity of course. :D

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you really are a bitter bitter man

I think rangers deserves your support :D

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Once upon a time I might have been sympathetic. Now I just laugh when i think of how every other team lined up to kick Rangers when they were down.

Remember everything is fine in the SPL, crowds are increasing, teams are making money and the standard of football has never been higher. :dozey:

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You make it sound like scottish football was all rosy, until rangers left.

You seem to forget scottish football has been dying for years, and rangers was never the reason. Merely another aspect.

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It's great this season. Cheating is down massively :D

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Referees not against you this year?

Looks like hearts initial defiance and insistence that this was just a minor bump might not be the case after all.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20241385

£450,000 for not paying PAYE or NI. Now what was it the 'independant' panel said about Craig Whyte not paying Rangers PAYE and NI? That the only thing worse was match fixing and a fine of £100,000 was chucked their way.

I'm waiting with baited breath for the same thing to happen to Hearts, I think I may be waiting a long time though. More likely it'll be another transfer ban that only applies outwith the transfer window.

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Not sure what point you're trying to make because I've had a couple of sherbets watching Celtic improve Scotland's European status by beating Barca in Glasgow. (didn't actually read it because you're coming across as a delusional, hurting supporter of Sevco to be honest)

Anyhow... if the point you're trying to make is that Hearts are being treated unfairly because they're being liquidated for owing HMRC a six figure sum whereas the team you previously supported didn't get liquidated until they owed an eight figure sum then you're quite right..... the Rangers weren't punished early enough...

..anyhow great boost for Scottish football tonight wasn't it? :D

Champions of Scotland beating the team that are widely recognised as the best football team in world..... and from your own city too... you must feel the pride coursing through your veins like I do. :D

With a four leaf clover on my breast,
And the green and white upon my chest,
It's such a joy for us to see
and our fans didn't wreck the whole citeeee.... :D

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Just the best night ever, the fans, the team, the manager, doesn't get any better. Seen us beat Barca in 04, seen us beat Juve, Milan, Man Utd, Liverpool, Lyon etc but this was the ultimate. So proud. Was my daughters first group stage march in CL, she couldn't make Benfica, she was in tears when the second one went in. Thanks Celtic for helping giving a memory I will always have with my girl. Love you x

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lucky white heather to have that as first match, or is that lucky green 4 leaf clover :D

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Well done Henke to Celtic for giving such a wonderful performance last night and even though l am a Liverpool supporter l still like to see all the British teams do well in Europe no matter what persuasion they are.

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Cheers lads, good luck 2nite Den

http://imageshack.us/a/img442/7020/photobhoy.jpg

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Yes a win tonight Henke would put us in a very good position.

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Time to show a proper card display rather than a couple of plastic bags being held up. :D
It's just a pity the cannon didn't quite have the range to reach the East end, might have done several thousand pounds worth of improvements to celtic park.

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/3...yday2012v2.jpg

In other news the SPL continues to boom with two SFL games had higher attendances than any of SPL games played yesterday, none of which could get over 5,000 customers through their gates.

Tick, tock SPL...

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Do you not see anything wrong with that obnoxious display of jingoism?

Do you not see anything wrong with allowing Chucky Green to hijack Rememberance day for his own ends?

What was the celebration for? Is it not supposed to be a dignified time of reflection?

Is it true that, when the gun went off, every Sevco player immediately rushed to the Govan shipyards to secure employment?;)

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Nope nothing wrong with it at all. Rangers have always had a close relationship with the armed forces and show their support for Erskine and the poppy appeal every year.

Maybe you are just confused by seeing a flag of your own country at a football stadium?

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You see what you want? I have my eyes open.

Has there always been such a jingoistic display on rememberance day?
paper squares that had formed a poppy being made into paper aeroplanes... very dignified:rolleyes:
Did anybody look at the shirt... it reads RFC lest we forget Tennants... very dignified.:erm:
Old soldiers will be turning in their graves
Rangers will be turning in their grave

IMHO, it's far more patriotic to pay your taxes than produce such selfish displays that have an obvious ulterior motive.

£100million would have gone a fair way to providing front line troops with essential equipment.

Anyhow, how's that HMRC enquiry into Chucky Green going?
Have those redundancies of staff in the main stand kicked in yet?

tick tock, Liquidation Day 2.... coming to a corrupt club near you soon.;)

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Will your eyes and ears be open today when the groin brigade inevitably disgrace themselves with another poorly spelt banner attacking the UK armed forces and ruining the minutes silence.

You'll probably hear it just before they launch into their usual IRA-oke.

Hmmmm, £100 million. You've obviously been reading too many online ramblings of the obsessed. The amount of tax and NI not paid by Charles Green was about £9 million.

The amount of the still disputed EBT'S was in the region of £49 million that was made up of £35 million in unpaid tax and £14 million in penalties.

Incidentally I remember certain posters on here proclaiming loudly the tax case had been settled in HMRC's favour. Funny you'd have thought the media might have mentioned it?

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It has been. Those who have had sight of it aren't allowed to report on it yet.

The delay in publishing is to allow the names of individuals to be anonymised. My understanding is that this is the norm when there may be potential prosecutions.

The administrators put the tab at £94million owed to HMRC. They never did pay the "small" tax case bill either. That doesn't include the money owed to other organisations such as Strathclyde Police and the Ambulance Service or the other 200+ companies they owed money to.

Did they actually hand the poppy money over last year?;)

I was just down at the rememberance service at my local cenotaph where my 2 daughters represented the Guides and Brownies. Very dignified and very solemn. Not at all like that charade that took place in ibroke yesterday.

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The media mention it :D:D:D you are a right card u. The media along with your own delusion will contribute to liquidation 2, be sure of it. Anyway shouldn't you be on pie and bovril talking about Annan and stuff ;). Happily your club is insignificant, shouldn't really get drawn into debate with you, sadly zombie fans are even crazier than Rangers (RIP, lest we forget) fans. Off to watch a champions league side going top of the SPL. Yeah i have to pay over £700 a season for myself and wee girl, but that's the going rate for a top club with top players;) Re your tired old attendance crap well i suppose poundland had more visitors than Versace this weekend ;)

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That isn't my national flag. The Saltire is.

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Which flag isn't yours
This one:
http://willievass.photoshelter.com/g...000zhD53CUQkGY

Or this one with the Hamburg sign in the centre:
http://willievass.photoshelter.com/g...000zhD53CUQkGY

The pro neo-nazi symbolism didn't look out of place with the nazi salutes that accompanied Rule Brittania.

I'm sure those who fought the Nazis would approve of that display as part of a day of rememberance. :no::no::no:

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:( Dire today, fans were great though, that angry zombie guy that posts on here got it wrong again. Need to up it in the league. We had 5 or 6 out today but should still be good enough.

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Missed it today. It didn't sound great the bits I heard on the radio. I saw a good chunk of the hibs/Dundee Utd. That was actually quite a good game. This armageddon has worked out quite well for some ;)

Better half was at a charity ladies lunch so I had to look after my girls. Spent a couple of hours at Drumpellier lochs (bloody freezing) and will have a chatty, half cut, wife to deal with when she returns from her "lunch";) I'm hoping she runs out of steam before the highlights :D

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What are peoples thoughts on Hearts rejecting the offer of £500,000 from Rangers? Rangers owe £800,000 to Hearts in transfer fees and are supposed to be paying £300,000 of that amount next month with the balance (500k) due next year. Charles Green, ever the opportunist, was quick to make the offer thinking he could save his own club £300,000 but Hearts rejected the offer by text on Saturday morning.

With the toiling Tynecastle club facing a liquidation threat by the end of the week unless they meet a £450,000 HMRC bill, and John McGlynn fearing that Saturday’s draw in Inverness could have been the club’s last match, it looks like Hearts are pretty confident their fans will come up with the money needed to be in a position to reject the offer from Rangers. So why did Hearts come out with such bold press statements last week? Just scare mongering their fans into shelling out?

Apparently Fedotovas didn’t even enter into any kind of negotiation with Rangers. The offer was flat rejected by text message. Surely trying to push Rangers up to £600,000 or £650,000 would have been a more acceptable deal for all parties involved? If Hearts do go into administration, will they ever forgive Romanov for turning down a guaranteed lifeline?

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Fortunately, I don't work at that level of morality so can't fathom either of them out. As crooked as they are though, they're pretty clever so shouldn't be underestimated.

I don't know how these things work but from what has happened to Rangers, I suspect that Romanov is about to pull a flanker with Hearts. The authorities bent over backwards to sneak Rangers into the SPL so if they apply the same criteria to Hearts then administration could be a wise business move.

Hearts would be deducted points but would emerge debt free and quite probably still playing in the SPL. Only HMRC, and by extension each tax payer, would be getting stiffed.

The difference between the Hearts and what happened to Rangers is that the main creditor of Hearts is a Lithuanian bank owned by a certain Mr Romanov. Any CVA proposal couldn't be vetoed by HMRC.

I'd imagine that Romanov has already written off the money owed to him by Hearts so accepting a pennies in the pound deal could be to his advantage.
Hearts exit administration, still the same club and still in the SPL.

I don't know if it's possible to do this. if it is then accepting Rangers offer would not to be Hearts advantage even if it was one penny less than what was owed.

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No deal with rangers is the best deal.

Rangers are masters are not paying money, just trying to take advantage of another club, which they seem to have done to all clubs for the last few years.

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I've got to agree with your point of view. Hearts fans at my work suspect Romanov wants the club to go into administration. Hearts fans are also suggesting the rules have changed since last year. whilst Rangers lost 10 points last season Hearts face either a 15-point deduction or losing a third of last seasons point tally. If Hearts go into administration they face dropping to the bottom of the SPL sitting on either -1 or -4 points. A real possibility they could be relegated.

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I can understand your point of view. It's going to take a long time for Rangers to rebuild their reputation.

Hearts fans I know are just desperate for their club to be saved. Not all of them, but a fair few are very disappointed Hearts didn't accept or at least try to negotiate the offer from Rangers to secure their club.

Whilst it appears Rangers are trying to take advantage of Hearts, lets wait and see what happens if the club goes into administration. I'm expecting clubs south of the border to take advantage, snapping up Hearts players on the cheap or even free in January.

Either way, things are looking very grim at Tynecastle. There is also a suggestion that Dunfermline will be entering into administration by December over a £81,000 tax bill.

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I am a hearts fan

If they go into administration, so be it.

Rangers are merely trying to take advantage of the situation, they were never one for the moral high ground

Scottish football has always been a selling league, no matter the club.

If hearts need to be punished, I'm happy it is done. Unlike the rangers, who seem to think that they should be awarded the league title, no matter how much they cheat through life.

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Rangers fans, or at least those with an element of humility and common sense, accepted months ago that their club needed to start life again from the bottom tier of Scottish football playing their way back to the SPL and paying their dues. The conduct of those running the old Rangers, and the debts they accrued disgusted me thoroughly. Everyone involved should be punished to the full extent of the law.

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No, Rangers fans were bitter, that they were targeted, all delusional, and they were going down to spite rest of scottish football.

i have never heard of any rangers fans admitting their club have done wrong.

That is why most other fans dislike rangers. i say that having had conversations with other fans of scottish clubs at my work. All recognise that rangers have never admitted they should be punished, merely that they seem to think they are being punished for doing nothing wrong

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Rare as teeth on a hen;)

They are the people and anc actually believe it.... so full of themselves that they're happy to fund anybody who fuels that belief.

For those who spell out the truth and try to enlighten them there's usually physical violence or the threat of..... 36 journalists can testify to that.

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Glad Hearts are getting things sorted.

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When is this Armageddon due now?

Here's the Poundland FC presentation to potential City investors.

https://skydrive.live.com/view.aspx?...app=PowerPoint

It's so bad, it's hilarious.

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SFL clubs propose new three-tier league system in Scotland

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20329684

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BBC Scotland have some SPL matches on free to air TV - BBC Alba

I actually find the gaelic commentary quite amusing. :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...lands-20362974

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i find it bemusing, as one of the vast majority of Scots who doesn't speak Gaelic

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I know no gaelic either but you can still make out the players names, etc.

It still makes more sense than some of the English speaking commentaries..... and you don't have to listen to Craig Burley's ill-informed guff.:D

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I'll see your Craig Burley and raise you a Steven Craigan :mad: Good result today though :)

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I'd have taken that before kick off.

And so onto Lisbon to face Benfica..... didn't we win something in that city before? :D:D

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Rings a bell m8 ;) Actually don't see us getting anything on Tuesday, think it's down to the Spartak game. Lassad looks good don't u think?

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Lassad could do with some time on the field. It's just as well we've got a reasonable squad the amount of injuries we've been picking up.

I reckon we'll get a draw. There wasn't much between the two teams at Parkhead and the pressure is on Benfica to get a win. We could even sneak it on the break;)..... or we could lose an early goal and get hammered. :shocked:
One things for sure....

.... we only know that there's gonna be a show and the Glasgow Celtic will be there... :D

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Would bite your hand off for a draw

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http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-...-west-20414804

I'm sure I saw some ill informed drivel on here a few weeks ago that they had lost.

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that you did del, that you did, we done nothing wrong but certain folk can't accept that FACT, the only guilty thing that we have done and thats not pay paye at the start of last season because of a certain owner.

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Loved this bit from the BBC story....

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One other fact. Only one SPL team has actually used EBT's in an manner which was meant they had to repay taxes to avoid further action being taken. It's also the team that has suspiciously close links to the attempts to strip Rangers of their titles and whose fans only seem to know the direction to their stadium every few months.

I wonder which team that is... :D

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I'd make Bert Konterman pay every penny back he got from Rangers, even if he didn't have an EBT!

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Rangers:
Still dead
Still Tax Cheats
Still hurting

Not had the chance to read (My team were playing tonight) the full findings but not completely innocent is my reading. Some guilt in the big tax case, total guilt in the wee tax case and the missing tax that liquidated you. :D

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:D Spot on with all of that London Road. Huge night against Spartak to come, will be amazing night. Didn't deserve a draw last night but if Hooper had stuck his leg out we'd have nicked it. Europe after Xmas no matter what and at least 12 European games this season:) Wilson and Forster outstanding last night. Sad for Broony:(

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Worth every penny for THAT goal against the orcs at Hampden.

There, fixed that for you. 54 titles and counting.

Why? Are TGFITW going to remove their green seat costumes for the night?

Maybe this all shows that a failed social worker, a lawyer done for fraud and a journalist who claims to act in the interests of football fans yet mocks the people who died in the Ibrox disaster are not the most reliable sources of information. :dunce:

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:D Your team is deid!!! Your new one is in the 3rd divison, your owner is a con man. Your fans are as deluded as ever. You watch Kevin Kyle :D:D:D
We are champions, in Champions league, in semi of league cup, top of SPL, rake in way more cash than your new club every week, we have players that are worth millions, you have Lee McCulloch and a bunch of players no one has heard of. The gap gets wider and wider. The result of the big tax case changes none of that. M8 won't be replying to any of your posts as they are full of the sickness and bile that afllicts many of your clubs fans:td: plus your club is insignificant, away to pie and bovril and talk to fans of clubs you have more in common with. Really wish we could be in your clubs shoes, AYE RIGHT!!! :D:D:D:D

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Tainted champions. More cash every week with your fair weather fans?

I take it now that Benfica beat the team that beat the second best team in Spain they are now the best team in the world?

Rangers. Loyal fans, stick with their club through good times and bad.
Celtic. Glory :rolleyes: hunters who can't be bothered turning up most weeks and cling to imagined 'crimes' by other clubs when ignoring the actual crimes of their own.

Not bile, facts. Kryptonite to Celtic fans.

It changes nothing? Well apart from proving Rangers never cheated and has exposed Lawell and his cronies yep nothing has changed.

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Oh dear, every post from you in this thread is making you sound even more bitter.

You are forgetting one key point and Hugh quoted it, the club may have gotten away with the tax case but they can and probably will go after those players/employees that benefited from the EBTs and ask them to repay the monies.

It doesn't prove that Rangers never cheated, it just proves that someone decided to let the old dead club away with it :)

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They can ask. At which point they will be told the loophole that closed this scheme was closed in 2009 and HMRC have no powers to recover monies paid before this time. :)

Of course they might then look at the 'movie investment' schemes used by a certain East End club to avoid paying regular taxes to players and staff. Funny how the Rangers Tax Case blog never mentioned that during their failed witchhunt.

Funny definition of not guilty.

Is that what you are left with? Claiming Rangers aren't Rangers despite the SFL, SPL, SFA and UEFA all agreeing we are? Sad and deluded. Mind you it must hurt when all the hope you clung to that a better, more successful side were going to disappear has gone and your left with a league falling apart, half empty stadiums and a lot of questions being asked.

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You've clearly not bothered to read the tribunal finding Deek.

FACT. Rangers were guilty of tax evasion, not as guilty as HMRC had claimed but guilty none the less. It's a bit like somebody in court getting getting a lesser sentence than expected..... to simplify things for you.... verdicts still guilty.

You should read it so see how underhand your dead club was. The view of the dissenting opinion (the only tax expert on the panel) is particularly scathing. I suspect there's enough scope there for HMRC to appeal.

I also liked this bit:

Then, Mr Thornhill submitted, the employee should be
taxed not on the emolument but on the benefit. It was irrelevant, he continued,
whether the Remuneration Trust benefit was contractual. He conceded that where it
derived from a (footballer’s) side-letter it was contractual, but not in the cases of
bonuses paid to employees of other Murray Group companies.


So Sir Minty's QC acknowledges the that players' side contracts were contractual. That'll be those side contracts that weren't submitted to the football authorities.

LET THE TITLE STRIPPING COMMENCE:cleader::cleader::woot::woot::woot::woot:

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Jim Traynor gives his thoughts:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...er-win-1447935

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It seems to ignore the facts. Tax man pursued Rangers as they were blatantly using EBT wrongly and illegally.

To say otherwise is somewhat silly.

They had a set back when others disagree, though I suspect they will appeal that.

During that period, they were also withholding other tax revenues they should have been paying (NI and tax).

I worry when journalists promote tax evasion.

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Folks, as a neutral observer I should point out that it takes but a couple of seconds to establish, via Google News search, that every newspaper/website that has reported on the "big tax case" this morning has called it a win for Rangers. BBC Scotland unequivocally called it a win for Rangers in all their bulletins last night.

I don't imagine that will make a blind bit of difference to the vitriol in this thread though. And you're all as bad as each other.

A plague on both your houses.

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Traynor has been Murray's mouthpiece for years. Nobody who had read the tribunal findings could write such an article.

He makes no mention of the side contracts which are mentioned extensively in the report. He also seems to forget that Rangers were liquidated owing nearly £60 million that had nothing to with the "big tax case".

The appeal was partially successfull on a legal technicality. The interpretation by the majority is heavily criticised by the the only tax expert on the panel. There's mileage in this yet. ;)

IMHO the decision does seem perverse having read the evidence. Perhaps the majority didn't read Peter Lawell's instructions properly or were promised exclusive use of the goat this month. ;)

I'm having fun trying to work out who all the anonymised individuals are.

How anybody could perceive this judgement to be a victory is beyond me. You would have to be morally bankrupt to consider this to be any kind of vindication.

http://www.financeandtaxtribunals.go...50/TC02372.pdf

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The Comedy Club roadshow continues.

Sevco game called off because Elgin sold too many tickets. You couldn't make it up.

http://local.stv.tv/aberdeen/news/20...-with-rangers/

:D

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Damn right there is. The company that used to control Rangers would probably have come out of administration via a CVA as most of the other creditors were willing to accept a CVA that was blocked by HMRC over a tax bill that was never correct. :mad:

Then there is the criminal enquiries into Craig Whytes takeover and tenure at Rangers and the fallout from that.

There is also the 'independent' tribunal to come in January. Funny how the illness of a 'low level paper gatherer' can cause it to be delayed. You might almost think that Harper McLeod had a greater role in this than has been admitted so far. :erm:

I suppose in the interests of fairness and sporting integrity we should examine the tax affairs of Celtic and their under reporting of attendances in the 70's and 80's to avoid paying tax.
I propose a leading lawyer takes charge of this, say Donald Findlay? I can't see any Celtic fan having an issue with such a well known and respected legal figure delving into historic matters. :dozey:

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Rangers are so well supported they cause games to be abandoned due to overselling. Don't suppose that would be an issue with Pacific Shelf FC.

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Are you really that delusional Derek or do you only get your information from the mainstream media?

Not read the report I see;)

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If you look back in the thread you'll find the ultimate proof that the Pacific Shelf thing is a delusion that only hurting Sevco supporters haven't dismissed.

I'm weary of giving you facts that are readily available and then you ignore them because they don't fit in with your hurting delusional agenda.

On the delusional fantastic support Rangers have, check out the year on year figures for the highest attendances in Scotland.

If that doesn't burst your delusional bubble, check out the Ibrokes attendances for the 2 crunch European games in the final season of Rangers (RIP). If this support were as fantastic as you claim they might have provided the sort of atmosphere that would have lifted the players and sent Rangers on a money spinning run..... that might have allowed taxes to be paid.

What was the Rangers fans response when Minty (forced by the banks) had to start cutting back? They protested, marched on Ibrokes (you like your walks don't you :)) under the "We deserve better" banner. :rolleyes:

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Nae Green Brigade today :( better look out ma song sheet