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Actually, I suggest you check the common dictionary definitions of the term illegal, which is basically something in breach of statute. Statute can be any law passed by parliament whether the penalty or consequences fall into criminal or civil remedies. As large aspects of copyright protection are encompassed by statutes it is correct to define the sharing of copyright materials as illegal.

But this is all rather pedantic and :notopic: in this thread. If you wish to debate further the specific legal definitions please start another thread and leave this one to the Pirate Bay blockages.

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OK, I'll stop. I will do no more than to respond to your point that this is pedantic. It really isn't meant to be, and usually I don't do the language police thing, but the implications of using the wrong term in this case casts people as criminals and that is not a minor matter. This misunderstanding is being used by some to intentionally mislead (though hopefully not on this forum) and so it's an important point to correct in this topic.

Also, just to defend myself, I think you may have been looking at a US dictionary perhaps? The word 'illegal' has a broader meaning there. I recommend the OED. Remember we are only talking about file sharing, not selling things for money. That would, of course, make a big difference.

My aim was to reduce antagonism, not increase it, so this is my last word on the point as requested.

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I regularly download files at 11+MB (megabytes, not megabits) that max out the connection and are 100% legal.

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Usenet?


Nah, I've got 80mb broadband and never once used it for torrents. Regularly max it out in other ways though, most often with FTP transfers and Steam.

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Course, with BT Infinity's bottom tier you get 10Mb upload, and at a lower monthly cost than VM's 30mb service (though admittedly it's not unlimited). Or get 20mb upload for a few quid more than 6mb on VM.

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You realise the censoring of torrent sites has been happening since at least 2005, right?

I remember it well, I was there:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_D-Elite

In fact, even before that media cartels were frequently going after media sharing services on a regular basis - Audiogalaxy, Napster, Kazaa, etc... You're a decade too late if you think the Pirate Bay was anywhere near the start or end of any part of the online piracy saga. It's been going a long, long time and copyright "holders" have been trying to put a stop to it for a long long time too.

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I thought NewsBin was the first time the UK courts had ordered a site to be blocked.

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Agree,

....and to celebrate the start of the downward spiral into internet censorship, Ive just set up a VPN to try out.

seems I can get a better upload speed than my VM connection :shocked:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/05/59.png

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Which VPN ?

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CyberGhost VPN

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Your upload wont be over 8mbit like in your speedtest result it is impossible as it is still limited by your VM account.

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Thats what I was thinking. It should max out my bandwidth at least going by that result

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Sorry, the web page you have requested is not available through Virgin Media.

Virgin Media has received an order from the Courts requiring us to prevent access to this site in order to help protect against copyright infringement, because the Music, Film and TV industries still think we are in the 1970's, which is why they are not bothering their arses to move into the 21st century like the rest of us.

ps.. Welcome to China

That is what the statement on the blocked page should say. This is not Virgins fault, they have to comply with the law.

The best way around the block is to [Mod edit: Do not post links in breach of our terms of use to sites which allow the block to be circumvented]

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[/COLOR]Now the Govt wants us all to have to ask for porn on the internet. Before long, if you want internet, you are going to have to fill out a questionnaire asking you what type of content you would be looking for, so the ISP can tailor your access to suit.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tech/new...rnet-porn.html

ps... its getting more like China by the hour..

re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

most likely its done like the IWF is managed.

the tbp ip entered into routing table to route to proxy server which then serves the page.

meaning not everything is proxied only whats routed to it.

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Apologies for breaking the rules guys.
Read this thread from DS forumshttp://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1657967 to help you find ideas from other people on how to get onto the site. The guy on post 19 has some good ideas.

mods.. hope thats ok

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No need for a VPN, only the web address has been blocked by the court order.

Just search for 'uk pirate party' in a popular search engine and you'll soon discover the mirror address which isn't blocked

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a VPN is defenitly overkill, to set one up is significantly more complex than setting up a basic socks proxy which achieves the same thing. Also socks can be used more flexibly on/off for certian things rather than just rerouting everything through a VPN.

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Why is anyone even bothering.? We all know now how to get around the block. The real question is why you'd want to go there :)

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While I'm not disagreeing with that, I will add that I found the VPN extremely quick and easy to set up. It can also be turned on/off with a simple connect/disconnect button.

Cheers

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Some artists are actually distributing their music free via TPB

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Many VPNs use compression.

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Or just an ordinary HTTP proxy.

(Wonder if it works through VM's own web proxy? That would be ironic :P)

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No doubt that will be something you investigate qas?

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Well another one bites the dust, I can see Piratebay rebuilding as something else all though most of the content on TPB is illegal contents which the user choose to download.

re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

none of the content on there is illegal ;)

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I wonder if enough people included a widget on their webpages that pointed at the pirate bay would the proxy fall over? Or just embed an image from tpb.

re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

However it does provide links to certain material that is copyrighted. Not illegal but, as mentioned previously, arguably unlawful and/or illicit. Splitting hairs....

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Its debatable whether its even unlawful or that they could secure a conviction if it was hosted here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oink%27s_Pink_Palace

The only cases to have ever gone to court in the UK over torrent sites have both resulted in either acquittal or the CPS have dropped the case. The Pirate Bay does exactly the same thing as they did.

Basically what the cartels are doing now amounts to a run around of the legal system. Avoid the pesky international issues and go straight to the big money friendly High Court which is full of much older Judges who dont understand technology and can be easily blinded by the made up "losses" that the music and movie industries love to spout. (A funny dismantling of here http://www.ted.com/talks/rob_reid_th...lion_ipod.html).

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Not sure if anyone posted this already, but the new pirate bay access link is here for anyone interested:

[Mod edit deleted: we suggest every one takes note of http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35422607-post49.html]

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It has, and was subsequently deleted by the mods :)

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I just went onto the VM forum to see if there was anything new in the large thread about the block there and it has gone! I think they have deleted it as they don't want people discussing it, If that's not censorship I have no idea what is!

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Rubbish, I'm no technical expert, but i set up an Open VPN and it was anything but complex!

re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

"to set one up is significantly more complex than setting up a basic socks proxy"

have you compared setting up the 2?

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Is that statement aimed at me Craig? If so my answer is , no, i haven't compared the two set ups, but what i do know is there was nothing complex about setting up the VPN.

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Hardly. The pirate bay still exists, and still will exist. There is no 'rebuilding' needed. They certainly arent going to be affected just by a temporary block from a few ISP's.

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:erm: :erm: :erm:



Don't give up your day job ... lolololololololol

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

of course.

setting up a vpn server is a lot more configuration and need to add a tunnel device etc.

a socks is incredibly easy in comparison.

on the client side socks is easier as well.

although a VPN can do more eg. if you want to evade torrent shaping then a VPN is probably more suited than a proxy. But to just get round web site censorship its overkill.

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

not you! :D the guy who said setting up the VPN was easier ;)

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socks seemed more complicated to me to set up but i only briefly read the wiki on it just set up a vpn in less than a minute both could be usefull if i visit china :)

:angel:

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well maybe I did it a long winded way, but a socks doesnt even need root access to setup, whilst openvpn I had to modify the network configuration on the server to add a tunnel device which is something noone should do lightly as it can take a server offline. I actually had to look for a guide to setup openvpn, something I dont often have to do with server configuration.

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Root access? People are on windows, why else would they want access to a torrent site if not to download linux?

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Just noticed something that's a little funny, but can any virgin employee's who work on the block look away now :P
my mobile which is a virgin one can access the site perfectly fine :)

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

are you just talking about setting up the client side?

I am talking about actually creating a VPN server to connect to, not just going out and buying a VPN service to use.

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

i used a free one :)

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I'm not on VM.

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They've had their servers raided and shut down in the past. A lousy IP block from a small proportion of single country's ISPs aint gonna do much.

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I found the opposite, on BT anyway.

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I've no need to access TPB as I don't use torrents but I was interested to see just how easy the block was to bypass without relying on third party proxies which could be used for harvesting personal data.

I quickly found scripts for several proxies written using php and uploaded two of them to a free US webhost I use for one of my webcams. One didn't work well but the second seems to work perfectly. Total time taken - maybe 15 minutes including testing both.

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

obviously haven't read the updated thread title then ;)

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Yes I have - there is no detail in my post. Anybody capable of the admittedly simple steps needed to produce their own proxy wouldn't need my post as a pointer. Anybody not capable would probably just use google to find a bypass.

The thread title was amended because people were posting links to public proxies designed to bypass the VM block.

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One amusing thing with TPB's change to using only magnet links, you can download the entire site from one of the many not blocked torrent sites and then use TPB locally for as long as you like. Obviously will want to refresh the thing every few days to pick up additions but it really does highlight the futility of blocking it.

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What I find even more amusing is people cannot post how to circumvent the block but at the top of the page there's Google ads pointing you in the right direction.

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Very true ,and to me it sums up the whole mess the copyright/internet/downloading laws are getting into

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LOL! Never noticed that... been on the internet so long I tune out these things

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I didn't see it either but maybe the links people were posting cut down on the advert click-through rate?

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LOL! Want a tin-foil hat?

I don't see adverts anyway, adblock ftw.

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Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

Ironically qasdfdsaq your image is also blocked by ad-block (ads.png)

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LOL
Personally I think it's silly to not allow discussion on how to get around it
If it were illegal to do so, then yes, I could understand it, but VPN services etc, well, they are legal.

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Was wondering why I couldn't see his/her post heh.

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LMAO.

Fixed.

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I think its incredibly stupid not to allow talk of how to bypass the block if its not illegal, its not exactly going to annoy virgin either as I wasn't under the impression they particularly wanted to block it.

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Virgin Media are to be commended for taking this step. The music and movie industry is by no means as bouyant as it once was. Any talk of this move being 'censorship' is nonsense. Pirate Bay and similar sites provide a means whereby people can obtain material without paying for it. Do we have the right to walk into our local supermarket and walk out without paying? Clearly last year some people did and now they are paying heavily through the criminal courts.

There was a time when there were far more record companies than there are now. Money was there to invest in new and upcoming acts, producing albums and promoting them. Now this has become a self promotion game with few surviving long enough to gain a foothold in the marketplace. True there are movie producers who make money, but again we are finding a shrinking marketplace and lack of funding for developing new talents. What income there is goes into backing 'dead certs' hence the run of similar movies, with sequel after sequel until the initial idea is done to death.

You may 'find ways round the ban' but if you do you will simply go on strangling the industry denying artists, producers,directors and all the technicians who all earn a living from the product they produce. How many of those who are desparately trying to beat the ban would want to be working for nothing, or seeing the fruits of their labours stolen by criminals?

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They didn't want to.

I'm no fan of the pirate bay or freeloading in general but I don't like the way this is going. The facts are a UK court has ordered UK ISP's to block access to a Swedish website that hosts no copyright infringing material. And now the owners of this site fear legal repercussions if they allow its users to discuss ways to bypass this block.

Visiting The Pirate Bay is not illegal, downloading copyright content is.

The Cable Forum ToS forbid linking to copyright material but I’ve seen many links to youtube on this site which contain copyright material.

Copyright infringement is bad but censorship is worse.

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Btw I am not trying to justify piracy and understand that cable forum need to protect themselves its just the censorship is a mess and should not be there regardless of weather or not the site provides a way for people to obtain media. Another thing about piracy is there are plenty of the smaller guys in media who have gotten popular through piracy and even ones who have taken to publishing their media onto the likes of the pirate bay, business models could also be looked at for example look at steam and what it has done for pc gamers and the industry as a whole.

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You mean like David Prowse the actor who played Darth Vader in one of the highest grossing films ever that according to the accountants has still not made a profit.

Funny I thought that was due to the fact that just about every story that can be has been copyrighted for the next 120 years, so the producers/writers don't have anything they can expand on without possible law suits. You only have to look at LoveFilm to see how stupid the copyright and licensing is. I can rent The Help on DVD as part of my subscription yet I have to pay £3.49 to watch a poor quality version online.

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

:LOL: I dont see the ads anyway because i use adblock plus

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The CF owners are just playing safe in a new area, surely. I can't blame them for that. Senior CF team members have all but said it's not exactly an ideal situation or something they support. I don't think it's unreasonable of them to ask us to just play it down a bit and not flag CF as somewhere where anyone can find info on how to get round the block, even if it's all out there elsewhere. Anyone wanting to bypass the block knows how to or can Google how to. I don't believe we can honestly feel like we're being censored - that's a bit extreme. Can't we just go along with this while everyone's a bit uncertain?
As for the ads - aren't they just Google keyword generated? Again, I think it's unfair to take the moral high ground and suggest CF is being a hypocrite by allowing them. If the admins think it's unsuitable, give them a chance to block the keywords. It's weekend, I'm sure Paul M has things he'd rather be doing.
I don't like any of this as much as anyone else, but shifting the REAL focus of the situtation onto CF and pretending it's all a massive deal that we can't talk about circumventing the VM block here, is a bit like blaming the car for running out of petrol. Everyone knows it's not the car's fault really, but it's the one thing you can vent your frustration at easily (however misplaced). Not entirely fair IMO.


I could be wrong - and I'm sure someone will be at the starting traps waiting to correct me - but I was under the impression VM's mobile network was piggybacked onto another (T-Mobile/Orange?) so if/when they decide to block access on their network then the VM mobile platform will be blocked too I imagine. Interesting though. I wouldn't have thought it an oversight, more likely something beyond their immediate control.

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

Yes. Let's take one extreme (and possibly completely incorrect) example and apply it to every film ever made :rolleyes:

Nothing like a nice bit of hyperbole to add nothing to the discussion.

Well that's a funding-model and quality issue and nothing else.

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Be amused all you want folks, some of you obviously aren't aware how google adsword works. But that can soon be fixed with a simple update on what adverts to not allow.

I am not really interested if people think it is stupid that they cannot discuss ways or post links to get around the block. The simple fact remains, posting any link which does evade the block is just the same as posting a link to any unlawful content which is not allowed as per sites terms of use. Terms which have been in place for nearly 10 years and I have already stated that I am not going to let standards slip, just because we think the block itself is stupid and pointless.

Some of you can argue to until the cows come home, or until you are blue in the face, that TPB does not give access to unlawful content, it is irrelevant, a court ruling has deemed that the site does and has issued a court order which has to be obeyed. I am not going to risk this site, however small that risk could be, by allowing links or ways to avoid the block, which could potentially see any site which does this being in contempt of that court order and then the courts issuing orders to block any site which does.

I am not going to get this site in trouble for noone. So go figure. I have issued a request and I expect all members to respect such a request. If you do not agree with it then please go elsewhere, you are not forced to use this website.

Also seen some pretty ridiculous remarks about people being allowed to link to youtube on here and that they provide copyrighted content. Absolute rubbish. I believe youtube has a copyright programme in place where if copyrighted material ends up on youtube, they have an active policy which removes it. I have seen loads of youtube vids, removed because of Copyright. But a site as large as youtube is, it is inevitable that some rogue content ends up on there.

Finally, this thread is not to be used as a platform for people to disagee with our rules. Initally, the thread has been good in terms of peoples views on the block and how much people diagree with it and also some views about people who do agree with the block. This is what this thread is here for. However, I will not have it turn in to a battle ground for people to mock the team and and or abuse the site. If this kind of approach continues then I shall just close the thread. Let's not spoil what has been so far, a really good debate.

Thank you.

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Just to clarify, I understand the CF response to this. They have put time and money into this site and don't want to fall foul of the law. When I talked about censorship I was mainly referring to the case. It is self-censorship but we have no free speech right here anyway although I'm sure the CF team will say it's all good as long as you don't breach the ToS.

This is what's called a chilling effect.

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

I'd call it common sense myself :)

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Something I'm sure you know lots about.

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funny thing is Virgin block (or try to) Piratebay but then they provide the same files and warez/apps/music on their own binary newsgroup servers?

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Their newsgroup server is off site, also do you really think virgin really care about stopping piracy? At the end of the day lots of people will upgrade to the highest package to download copyrighted content and its that money that helps keep virgin going.

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But they haven't been ordered by a court to do anything about that, let's hope they never do. Blocking TPB wasn't their decision, they're not going to start shutting down services unless they're forced to.
Makes you wonder what's further down the line though. However unfruitful, there's been a clear and definite step in a certain direction.

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Is a discussion of paid VPN services allowed as long as it doesn't mention any sites and is just about the performance/price/features of the VPN?

Or is that totally off-limits due to it's "alternate uses"

I'm being honestly serious and not trying to be pedantic.

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

There is nothing illegal about using a VPN, so discussing which are the best performance/value for money etc shouldnt be a problem on this forum.

I would start another thread though as its off topic here ;)

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The difference being that the former is blocked due to a court order and the latter VM have no control over the content of.

Again, common sense.

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eh?, wasn't that many years back when NTL as it was back then stopped the newsgroups carrying the main warez and pirated materials. Of course they have control!, just seems abit of let's bash a popular site because it's set's an example but don't tell them if your with VM you have free access to what you want via their newsgroup anyway.

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I don't remember that far back but of course they had control over their own newgroups, but not the wider Usenet in general. Again, common sense.

And, once again for the hard of understanding, VM are simply complying with a court order to block a specific website.

And not just VM but via any other ISP. In fact, you can access them independently of any ISP if you really want to. So it's a moot point, really.

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

Clearly some of us don't know what common sense is or don't have it.

1) All newsgroup providers are in complete control of the content of their servers, what categories they choose to provide, and for how long
2) An internet service provider with no control over the content of their own servers has some major issues.

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You just said they didn't.

Now who's hard of understanding?

Pot. Kettle. Black.

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Yes. They can switch them on and off. I was clearly (in the context of this thread) talking about the content of any given newsgroup.

Of course they could 'censor' them but I (and I'm sure many others) are glad - whether we agree with the content or not - that they do not

I explicitly stated that they have control over their own newsgroups; which they did. You know, the "virginmedia.general.discussion" etc. They do not have control over any other groups.

You, it seems :rolleyes:

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

You explicitly stated the exact opposite:

Maybe a screenshot will jog your memory?

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/05/52.png

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

they do to a certain degree because. Although the servers are 3rd party VM can choose not to allow access to porn groups or binaries as a whole if they wanted, not just VM groups.

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/sigh

Give it a rest you two.

Back on topic, where were we:

Pirate Bay blocked ................................. Check.
Easily circumvented ............................... Check.
More court orders to block sites ............... Coming soon :)
Draconian laws to prevent circumvention ... TBD.

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

DEA FTW.

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Wrong, again.

VM have no control over the content of any newsgroup which they do not run.

Unless you're telling me they can explicitly stop people from posting to, say, an MP3 newsgroup; which of course they can't.

They can censor or not carry that newsgroup but that's not the same thing. If there was a court order to block binary newsgroups they would have to comply with that too.

Yes. That's true. They could block access to them but they don't because that would be censorship and they would, quite rightly IMO, attract a lot of "bad press" for it.

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You continue to contradict yourself.

How can Virgin Media have complete control over the content of their newsgroups, while simultaneously having no control over the content of their newsgroup servers at the same time?

And stop making up completely unrelated and nonsensical babble. We were specifically talking about the content VM choose to host on their own servers, which includes pirated material. Yet despite everyone disagreeing with you, you still try to claim VM have no control over the content of their own servers and that everyone else lacks common sense and reading comprehension.

Purleease....

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of course it is, that is exactly what VM have done. By preventing access to TPB they have denied access to an entire resource which includes perfectly legal material. In turn, they can also choose not to host certain newsgroups if some of the content being posted is illegal/questionable/whatever else. It is easier for them to block the whole thing rather than get caught in the middle of an arguement over whether should provide access to something to which they have no control over the content.

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They used to host the Usenet servers themselves and they did remove access to some of the larger binary orientated groups, that didn't mean much because the newest and therefore most popular releases were posted on more obscure groups, such is the nature of Usenet. They farmed out Usenet services to Highwinds and now probably don't have control over the grouplist. All completely irrelevant to TPB block and there are good reasons why Usenet servers themelves haven't been dragged into the filesharing court battle even though sites which facilitate access to pirate Usenet content have.

p.s. Usenet really shouldn't be openly discussed at all (the first rule of Usenet).

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Can anyone on a 100mbit recommend a nice fast VPN?

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Only problem with that, I find, is if people are going back and forth in a thread like the above two, the thread turns into tons of "This message is hidden because xxxx is on your ignore list." messages. :D

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Indeed its like play time at the kindergarten :tu:

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Plus people persist in quoting the person you are ignoring :(

At least the facility exists and is easy to control though - over on TBB you have to email Seb to ignore somebody who you find irritating.

It was always on the cards that this thread would degenerate into arguments as the subject is contentious. As soon as one particular individual joined (who is not yet on my ignore list but may soon qualify) degeneration was a certainty as every thread he joins goes that way. An expert troll imo.

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You know anyone would think you own VM the way you defend it like this. You Sir are on my Ignore list for the simple reason your posts are the most biased posts on this forum and DO NOT make for reasoned reading. Plus i hope people understand you do NOT work or speak for VM thankfully.

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Erm... no they wouldn't. They'd just think it's my opinion and I have a right to express it.

In this case I am happy to "defend" VM from idiots who can't seem to get it through their heads that VM has been LEGALLY ORDERED to block a site but have not blocked the same illegal content on Usenet servers that they don't even own because that would be voluntary censorship and would be wrong.

Thank goodness for that. I won't have to put up with your abusing the rep system just because you don't like me. Now if I could only stop your friends from doing the same.

That may be your opinion but it is not the truth. I am also happy to voice my opinions against VM in threads on such subjects. There are such threads on here if you look.

When have I ever said anything different? :confused:

And you talk about me posting nonsense? How ironic :rolleyes:

You cannot mean me as having "a difference of opinion" is not in any definition of that word that I have seen.

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Ok last warning.Be civil to each and if you can't ignore those you have issues with then I suggest you leave the thread altogether.

Remember everyone is entitled to air their views whether you disagree with them or not provided they obey the site's T&Cs so I suggest some of you just move on if you cannot accept that.Infractions are likely to be the next step if you fail to grasp these facts.

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You dont need a fast VPN. Torrents still work on VM, you just can't get to one source of them without working your way around the block.

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And I'd say proxy > VPN.