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my local car wash is manned by Russians i don't think the local economy would be unduly harmed if they went out of business .

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It's not about the economy it's peoples jobs .I suppose you would complain if it where British nationals that lost their job if the car washes had to close

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What's more important, washing cars or growing fruit and veg?

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British nationals will always come first in my book -but i would not complain if they had to do it the old fashioned way with a bucket and sponge and a shammy leather ,there is after all a drinking water shortage .

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Washing cars.

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i don't see why the bone idle lot can't wash there own cars

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what bone idle lot is that ? you honestly think that because someone chooses to use a car wash they are bone idle ,that is ridiculous .
If the drought gets worse then there may come a time when car washes are shut down and business's rationed as they where in '76

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actually i do think its bone idle letting someone else wash your car

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Well that's up to you but many people don't ,as proven by the number of car washes out there

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There are many people with extremely busy lives, trying to make a living. That doesn't allow much time to spend with their family if they waste their spare time washing their car.

You shouldn't judge people assuming that they all have the same lifestyle as you, giving time to spend washing their car.

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10 minutes on a sunday morning when the family is still in bed isn't going to make the family unit go into melt down -extremely busy or just plain can't be bothered ?

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Don't comment on something you know nothing about. And don't judge others lives by your own. :mad:

If you must know, at 8am last Sunday I was at work, towards the end of a 15 hour night shift.

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The price of a car wash is so little it's not worth the time/effort to wash my car on my own

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Ok then ,so when i leave site in my van and it's spitting mud and stones all over the road ,calling into a nearby car wash and giving a couple of polish lads a few quid to blast the wheel arches, lights and windscreen makes me lazy does it .

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Lol

Folk who buy instant mash are lazy
Folk who eat McDonald's are lazy
Folk who don't use self serve tills are lazy

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then that leaves you 9 hrs out of the 24 to wash your car ,you lazy bugger .;)

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i was generalising not passing judgement on your lifestyle choices

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Ten of which are "testing" the new super comfy beds, chancer :)

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£5 for number 5 jetwash here.

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i drive a trany van for work i wash it myself -not that often but i do it myself ;)

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Using a van, lazy

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Yeah I know, I'm really bone idle ;)

I just don't know what I do with all my spare time, apart from spending time with my family, and running two companies, as well as working 42 hours a week as a wholetime firefighter, and being on call the rest of the time as a retained firefighter.

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No, as a firefighter!

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Well that's the problem when people generalise isn't it...they don't consider what other have to do.

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i bet you dont take the fire engine to the car wash ;)

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er choose to do

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same here ,trouble is ,it takes 3 tokens to do my van whereas the local poles only charge a fiver

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It won't fit ;)

No...have to do!

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these 10 minutes that people don't have spare to wash their own car ,what do they do with these precious minutes while some one else cleans the car other than sit there doing nothing .

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It doesn't take ten mins, you need to get the stuff ready too, I usually check my emails

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water delivered via email ,how novel :D

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Inside or outside the car?

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the thing about the hose pipe ban [now you young uns brace yourselves ] i don't even own a hose pipe [i know what your thinking -how can he survive without one ] but its quite easy once you work out how a bucket works there's probably a clip on you tube explaining the principle behind this technology, but be warned you must first purchase a large box of elbow grease and apply a couple of pinches of hard yakka .:D

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Your just a grumpy old man aren't you :D

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GIT martyh i'm a grumpy old git ;)

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You won't let it drop will you?

We go shopping while our car is being washed.

By the way, it takes far longer than 10 minutes to wash, dry, and wax a car properly.

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"young uns"???

I'm 42, martyh is 47. And from some of the posts I guess most of us are similar or older. We aren't part of the the convenience generation, thankyou very much. :rolleyes:

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its a debate one doesn't win a debate by dropping the subject matter ;) .

how do you know how long it takes if your not there ;)

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Beats Mertle's idea of shipping snow south in trucks doesn't it...... :D

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Because they tell him to come back in a couple of hours :)

I think he just does it so he doesn't have to pay for parking.

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Not if you use a waterless system. ;)

I have a large 7 seat MPV and I now clean and polish it in a quarter of the time it used to take and with far better results. On a good day I can do it in about 15 mins.

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I bet that's not good for the paintwork.

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and you do this yourself ? i was beginning to think i was alone ;)
to me its a matter of pride to shine up my motor - well done :tu:

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Hardly taking pride over the finish of your car if it only takes you 10 mins.

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au contraire - it's excellent for the paintwork and the more you use it the better it gets. Rubbing a watery solution of fine 'grit' into the paintwork using the traditional sponge and leather is bad for it.

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When I do wash my own car, I do it properly, which takes a minimum of an hour.

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Not necessarily true - I take pride in cleaning my car and the fact that I can do it in 15 mins. and leave it with a swirl free showroom finish makes me even happier. ;)

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stretched limo is it ?;)

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That's why you rinse it first, which gets rid of most of the grit. Then by using water you are washing the dirt away rather than rubbing it in as you would with no water.

It's not the waterless system that used to be advertised on the daytime tv adverts is it? Because I take most of those adds with a pinch of salt. Just like ther Dormeo mattress advert where they try and convince you that a cheap and nasty foam only mattress is worth a fortune.

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No, I just do a proper job. Rinsing, washing, drying, waxing, wheels & tyres.

Only taking 10 mins is just being lazy ;)

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I'm sure you are happy with it, but I'm yet to be convinced. I spend 16 years in the metal finishing trade, and I know what can cause long term damage. Common sense says that by using no water you are rubbing the paint with dirt, grit and grime. It may look good in the short term, but I can't see it doing the paint any good long term.

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Yes I'm aware of the traditional technique for washing a car - I did it for years and this is far far better but you'll only find that out if you try it. You can rinse a car as and your sponge as many times as you like but there will still be fine grit particles lurking on it and each time you rub them over the surface they scratch it. The waterless system removes this grit but prevents it scratching your paintwork in the process and it can be used in wet, dry and or sunny conditions. It also avoids those horrible hard water marks which always appear from beads of water which have been trapped in the exterior trim and trickle out over a period of time.

It is a Greased Lightning product called Showroom Shine and it's sold on TV and via Amazon, Ebay etc. IMO you'll find it very hard to find a negative review of this product anywhere unlike the mattresses...... ;)

Trust me, I was just as sceprtical as you and spent far too many years of my life doing the job the hard way and leaving swirl marks on my cars. I've used it on my latest car for years and there's no paint damage at all. Being a cynic, however, before I ever used it on my car I tried it on some polished stainless steel sheet left over from our new kitchen (notoriously easy to scratch!) with some builders sand rubbed into it. It never left a mark, now I'm sorry but anything that can do that is one hell of a product. Anyway, they way to find out for yourself is to try it, just like I did but that's your choice and one you offer your mattress customers for the very same reason - so they can see for themselves.....

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So you are telling me that your system will just make all this dirt fall off the car?
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/04/63.jpg


If you use a good wax, or even better a resin polish and then wax, then grit won't stick to the paint. And the resin polish puts a layer on top of the paint that protects it.

There are two pages of reviews here. Many give 5 stars, but it's worth reading the ones that don't: http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-revi...owViewpoints=1

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i can see why it takes you an hour if that's the state you let it get into before a wash ;)

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I'm being environmentally friendly :D

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looks like your running a garden centre on the bonnet :)

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As long as I don't use a hosepipe to water them :D

I'd just like to point out...that isn't actually my car :erm:

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Aye right you are ,personally i just think you are damn lazy letting your car get in that condition :)

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No of course I'm not saying that. :) In fact if you'd actually read my earlier reply to you on the subject I specifically said that in such situations getting the excess off with water first would be best. ;)

After the stuff's been applied the first time it cfreates a barrier which then protects the paint work with a carnuba wax finish not dissimilar from the sort of stuff you already say you're using by the sound of it. The main difference about this product is that it stops the dirt from scratching the paint as the cleaning process is carried out.

As for the reviews if you check the Ideal World TV site for the product you will see pages and pages of 5 star reviews. In fact IIRC it's that channel's all time biggest seller for a number of years. Now don't tell me that fact coupled with all those reviews isn't enough evidence that it's worth trying, especially when you get your money back if it doesn't live up to expectations. Of course some people don't get on with some products and sometimes that's because they don't use them properly. All I can do is report what I've actually done and tried and until you do the same you can only base your opinions on those of others.

62 pages of nearly all 5 star reviews = an average rating of 4.8/5.

I don't see many products of any type with that number of ratings and that average. ;)

http://www.idealworld.tv/BOGOF_Greas...e#BVRRWidgetID

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So you would have to wash it with water the first time, otherwise it will seal in the grime.

I'm very suspicious of any product that has pages and pages of 5 star reviews, as most of them are often fake. A perfect example of this is Ergoflex.

I tend to read all the ones that aren't 100% positive, as you tend to get a more realistic review that way.

You also have to to take into account that many people will leave a review after the first time they use it. This doesn't take into account long term use. One of the Amazon reviewers did go into the long term use.

I think the Amazon ratings probably give a better picture.


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But just think how much I have saved the environment :D

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excellant advice ,i went to this site for some advice but having seen all the positive reviews i rapidly became suspicious so decided to go elsewhere

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You will only have to use water in EXTREME situations like those in the picture you showed. 99% of the time I use no water but if I were a farmer cleaning my tractor with it I'd use water more often. The product does not seal in the dirt, it lubricates it away from the surface without scratching and leaves everything perfectly clean except for the cloth you use of course.

It seems you're suspicious when products have bad reviews and suspicious when they have too many good reviews. ;) So when a product comes out which is a great product and is widely accepted as being so by a large number of people, you'll avoid that product because you believe too many good reviews are a sign of something dodgy going on? I believe that's taking cynicism a tad too far. ;)

The only comment I can make about the reviews on the Ideal World site are that there are plenty of negative
reviews posted on various other products so there's no way the company are selecting only the positive reviews and unlikely that the reviews for this product are dubious. Also, they offer a money back guarantee so they'd hardly be selling a product for years that people kept on returning because it failed to work as promised.

Anyway, I was sceptical at first but unlike you I've actually been using the product for several years now so I have first hand experience to go on. Now that's more important than any number of reviews.

I really don't know why you don't just buy some and try it, then comment on something you've actually used. It's not like it's expensive is it? I mean you haven't really got much to lose have you. I use it all over the home now - it's great on any hard surfaces including glass and stainless steel, of which our kitchen has quite a lot. It's by far the best cleaner I've used for such surfaces as it's virtually effortless to use, removes grease etc. and doesn't scratch anything. It also seems to keep those pesky fingerprints off the stainless steel fridge door for ages and for that it's worth it's weight in gold.

Anyway since I very sadly don't own shares in the company and this is a thread about the drought, I'll make this my last post on the subject and wish you happy cleaning whatever you decide.

;)

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Well where are all the fake positive reviews?

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It's quite simple in my eyes. If you wipe over grit with a cloth, then that grit will stay on the cloth and scratch the paint the first time it is used, when there is no protective layer built up.

Dodgy reviews are often posted by the manufacturer rather than the retailer.

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no idea mate ,just following your excellant advice about sites with loads of positive reviews ;)

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As I said, where are all these poitive reviews on review sites you talk about?

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did you click the link ?

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Yes I did. And they are all genuine reviews, copied and pasted direct from customers e-mails. They aren't on a review site used to attract people to the site. You need to be on the site already to view them.

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You may know they are real but no -one else does ,so following your advice i will assume the reviews on your site are fake or at least a large portion of them .
I was merely making the point that you cannot state other sites' reviews may be fake whilst insisting the ones on yours are not .
Anywhoo that's all off topic

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I can see what you are saying. But anyone who has seen my mattress advice site will see that unlike many retailers, I tell the truth.

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i'm sure you do
:tu:

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desalination is the key i know many will shout about cost and energy but as i see it its an excellent oppertunity for renewables from solar and tidal to produce the energy both electical and physical to run and pump the water

i refuse in a country surrounded by the stuff to limit my use of it

i rycycle and cut use of energy in my life and have ben doing so long before it was the in thing to do but this is just daft when we are an island

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I think your right .Desalination plants work best with affluent countries and when built close to the sea ,the UK ticks both those boxes .The main stumbling block is the cost of the energy to run the plant .According to wiki the best that can be achieved is 49 us cents per cubic meter of water (2006)which is quite expensive but by using a renewable source such as wind power (plentiful on the coast and we already have the windfarms in place ) then that cost of desalination per cubic meter will get a lot cheaper and the more that are built the better the technology gets and the cheaper the water

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It all depends on if you wish to run out af water?
In Hampshire no water restriction.
Michael

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i think some one said about what to do with the salt maybe we could use it we seem to dig about 57% of what we use now out of the ground here that leaves quite a lot we seem to import seem s like something that could save us importing make jobs and help the economy maybe we could even export the stuff :)

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There's always a demand for salt ,even if we use it on the roads in winter .

People keep saying that we some big infrastructure plans to kick start our economy ,well for the south of England a few desalination plants would be a start ,powered by offshore wind farms

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I don't think the residents of the drought hit areas would like to have "industry" like desalination plants in their back yards... it might ruin their golf courses, riding stables and the views from the west bay windows....

If you want to increse the number of homes, etc., in an area, make sure you can service them with water, power, etc., first.

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You are correct but the houses are there now ,what they going to do ,pull them down ?

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we have wind farms and salt water in the humber bring it on :tu:

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If wind ,wave and solar power are not sufficient for national power generation because they aren't there all the time and cannot generate all the power we need ,then why not use them for something we don't need all the time ,like desalination plants .They do not need to run all the time just to top up the water supply during times of drought and then the power that they do generate when they do work can be fed into the national grid

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17656317

Seems they moving water into lincolnshire then anglian water use it for 100,000.

Now flooding the rivers to shift water sounds bit drastic dangerious to me. The oter is it right to sell water like comodity like oil who will end up paying the 30 mill.

Bet anglian water already rubbing hands how much they make in this.

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The River Thames in London has the biggest source of water going, and l know for a fact that it is used by Thames Water into there reservoirs.
The UK is surrounded by water, but the government wont invest in having these special plants to sort out the contents of it, yet waste million of pounds on ruining the landscapes and coastal parts of Britain with these ugly wind sites that are a waste of money, but cost millions to build.
When l go to Norfolk, l can see the wonderful sites at Scratby ruined by these ugly things.
And we have this Water problem everytime there is a drought.

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aha scroby sands where the seals live. lovely area is norfolk although they have become tourist attraction.

problem is desalination costs to our carbon footprint which always felt is bit world sham this carbon footprint.

They expensive to run but do think we should plow money into R&D into improving it.

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Good point mertle, But what l think a problem is that these wind sites are an ugly sight on the landscape, and ruin the countryside, and cost millions of pounds to build, and probably are not built in this country.

When l first started going to Scratby, it was beautiful, but now all you can see are these damn things. When yo look out to sea,. instead of ships, you see this horrible things.

This country can invest ion this unit to clean water, AND if we are drinking water from the Thames, where does the Thames lead to the SEA, so surely we can clean this water several times before it reaches homes.

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you like this http://www.thameswater.co.uk/cps/rde....xsl/10279.htm

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Are you one of the "I want clean energy, but don't want wind turbines to spoil my view" brigade? :rolleyes:

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Lets put it this way, l am always looking for new ways of energy, but would not like to wake up in the morning and see one of those wind turbines near my house.

Can you imagine you trying to sleep at night and having that 'wirring noise' coming from the blades - and please don't members say the baldes don't make a noise.

I would be much better people getting those solar panels fitted to your house, and then you sell on the power that you don't need to the utility companies, and l see more of them now than anything else.:D

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so your a NIMBY then :rolleyes:

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I think you're quite safe - can't see any be put up that close to Heathrow

hence why they are stuck out of the way off the Norfolk coast or out in the Fens.

I'm not necessarily convinced on their return on investment but anything to find alternatives to carbon based fuel is good in my book.

Actually, in a sort of sinister War of the worlds way, I don;t think they look that bad (and we have plenty in this part of the country)

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It's a price we have to pay for clean energey.

Since when did they build them close enough to peoples houses so that they would keep you awake? :rolleyes:

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It's a choice ,a wind farm or half a dozen cooling towers

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I dunno. Could make things interesting for Airline pilots and their passengers..

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the shard might already:D Just hope the got backup generator so if power cut this huge monster can be seen.

Arthur not against them to be fair but do question the return those in the norfolk coast often half dont move. Think they even too close so interfere with each they dont get wind.

One complaint was seals would not settle with them infact seals not gone away quite happy which good news.

Now we have alternative wave generators being tested as we speak. Now we need more R&D think government need to go for energy water R&D in big way as we could reap alot benefits.

I think this where UK could be world leader if we can crack a solution to water needs with turn sea water into drinking water. Even waste water in cheap eficient way. We could sell technology or better earn money from patents.

If we can do this with energy solutions too to move away from gas, oil we would be in great position as country.

It needs a government to think ahead invest into future tech.

I said awhile back all homes with south facing could have solar panel. The electric not used shared profit between ocupier and government.

It would take alot investment initially but way to beat energy companies.

If we can plough money into water issue again money well spent. Ok financially we coput but if we QE to give business then what better to spend it in our future rather waste it.

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Good idea, in theory. The trouble is, the Energy companies own the infrastructure to transmit the power, so we'd need them on side. Something that's not going to happen if the government does anything that might cause them to lose a lot of money.

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Unfortunately we are well behind the curve with respect to desalination plants

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thanks thought this one was very good only australia got it but yes just shows the backward nature this country.

We goto get to forfront technology that means we got invest in the future.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seawater_Greenhouse

Now we could replicate this get food too:D

Actually doing googling came across vid about tesla anyway this fella come up said if you reverse the invention which makes lightning we could getfree energy.

Question is to those who genius electric buffs is he right. If he is right then why its not been tested his theory.

He tells goto link about tesla ideas for future got the link

http://www.lucidcafe.com/library/96jul/teslaauto06.html

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That would be daft... until The Great Drought becomes an annual thing. :dunce:

British builders would build in the desert and then moan there was no water to supply the homes.

Or rather, planners would ALLOW British builders to build in such a place.

Ditto on flood plains ... they can't seem to get it right can they? :dunce:

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That's just it ,we are supposedly more advanced than say a thousand years ago ,but even they managed to build towns and villages where the water was ;)

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Well I don't need a hosepipe this week.

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I noticed that ,since the hose pipe ban it's never stopped raining :D

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this great article about water and world problem how intercept mother nature speed it up. Instead waiting for moister form clouds then rain. Intercept create water from moister of air.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/env...ture-water.htm

One inventer come up with windmill the whisson windmill Although would need to see what impact this could have on environment.

http://www.alternate-energy-sources....-windmill.html

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I'm confused - we have a hosepipe ban in rainy Huntingdon yet the local council is paying people to hand deliver "what do to in a flood" leaflets through the door :dozey:

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and the confusion is......????

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Even a flood wouldn't negate the low water levels in most reservoirs... They even have floods in desert regions round the world where the only rainfall comes down in a short time period. In fact rain is likely to run off dry/baked soil more rapidly than wet soil so flooding for a set amount of rain is more prevalent.

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BUt most of the flooding we have in Cambridgeshire is due to water table level (not may hills for water to rush down) hence my original confusion - most of the river, brook & reservoir levels are low at teh moment so don't quite understand why we need details on flooding.

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I note some areas are getting meters forced upon them due to being in areas of "water stress".

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yep so they can charge you more for using less :(


why not just bring in metered stand pipes for the poor

cant think of a better way to drive down hygine levels in this country myself