Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

yes i know but a bit off topic mate my post was only intended to piont out why Mr Murdoch kept close to those in power.

In answer to another poster.:)

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

The are still a few in Liverpool who refuse to touch those rags.

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

Well I will not be touching them anyway!

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

and Julian's is one of them I'd wager...

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

There's confusion in the NE ,we have a paper called the Sunday Sun so when it was announced that the Sun would be printed on Sunday there where cries of "thought it already was like" :D

Incidently there where some scousers working on a site i was on who refused to buy the Sunday Sun because they thought it was the Sun :dunce:

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

Well as expected other titles are price matching the SOS but only in certain areas. The Sunday Mirror and Sunday People will both be 50p but only in the Carlton, Meridian and Central areas plus some parts of Scotland. The Sunday Mail will also be 50p but only in parts of Scotland.

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...yside-17113382

I think Max Clifford is right

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

And also The Star on Sunday is advertising on TV for the weekend for 50p.

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

Liverpool's 23-year boycott of The Sun newspaper

Linkage HERE

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

already posted ;)

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ooops! didn't see that :D

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The Star is trashy but inoffensive :)

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

Yes l agree but its not my type of paper as l prefer The Guardian myself.:)

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

It makes little difference it is still the same rag with the same name and if it involved his city I doubt he would think the same.

I know the difference between the Sunday Sun and the other rag.

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

The families and friends of the Hillsborough dead and anyone else for that matter are free to make their own minds up whether or not that rag warrants any semblance of forgiveness. Max Clifford is paid to spew such nonsense so his ramblings are of absolutely no significance to anyone other than those who have crossed his palm with silver.

To suggest that that Liverpool is the only place where this rag has a bad name is pure fantasy.

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

Its seems this nefarious character is still up to his insidious ways.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/media/ne...ship-deal.html

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

no it's not ,it's a different rag with a different name :rolleyes:

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

Still a rag though :D

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I think the poll results so far speaks volumes.

It will be interesting to hear about it's circulation after it's initial launch "buzz" wears off.

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

Could you please give a more exact explanation of why you think that?.:)

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

:clap:

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Yep i don't think it full of dirty old men reading about who is screwing who or those inclined to believe anything there told as long as its semi fantasy.:LOL:

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

Is it just a re naming of the **** of the earthsunday rag nothing more and a slight change in the typeface but it is still the same scummy rag it was before murdoch removed it from the shelves and if anyone thought this was not what he intended to do then they are naive.

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

Here's a prime example as to why I don't buy tabloid newspapers

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/17142659

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

Truly shocking and very disrespectful.:(:td:

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

What do you expect it's a tabloid !

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

Let's hope it isn't representitive as I suspect Rupert will be delighted with sales of 13%...

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

hi there.. sorry to bother u.i dont know u.. i am lost on here.. its first time on here.. how does this work? paulsouth

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

Weirdly it owned by Trinity Mirror (who also own The Daily Mirror, the rival to The Sun) :D

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What would be really good is if The Sun, Daily Mail and Express all shut down!

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

It's not weird at all really - the Sunday Sun is a regional title, published by the Newcastle Chronicle and Journal Ltd, which is part of Trinity Mirror ... the key word being 'Trinity', as it was Trinity plc, a major publisher of regional and local newspapers, that bought the Mirror, not the other way round. The Sunday Sun was around for a very long time before its parent company bought the Mirror.

I did my journo training at the training centre based at the offices of the Chronicle/Journal/Sunday Sun.

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

Virgin Media have snapped up advertising space in the first edition of the Sun on Sunday :

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...0p?INTCMP=SRCH

"Sources say that advertisers signed up include O2, Virgin Media and furniture company Harveys.

Virgin Media has confirmed it is running a campaign; the other companies had not responded to a request to comment at the time of publication."

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

Not a surprise Chad as VM advertised in the NOTW from what l remember.

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

The NOTW under another name

:rolleyes:

:rofl:

You poor deluded guy Robin

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17165615

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

They could have picked a better name for toilet paper than the Sun On Sunday. Bet you its as rough as a badgers arse as well :LOL:

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

God, have we gotta start boycotting Virgin Media as well now then? :D

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haha
why not try it and let us know? ;)

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Please....;)

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I doubt he would try as he would feel dirtier afterwards, you would feel cleaner using your hand.:erm:

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

Nope ... analyst opinion seems to be that it's just a seventh-day printing for the Sun rather than a re-branded NOTW. The content of today's paper is consistent with the Sun rather than the News of the Screws - BBC's Nick Higham calls it "recognisably the Sun, rather than the News of the World: an upbeat family paper with no sleaze, no kiss'n'tells".

Also, Dominic Moghan is editing it, so it is unlikely to develop a different editorial direction from the Sun on Monday to Saturday if the same person is in charge of the whole show.

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

:sniper::sniper::D

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How much do you think it will evolve over the next few months into something similar to the NOTW?.

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I don't think it will. The aim will have been to get the tone the way they wanted it from the outset. If they had wanted to re-launch the NOTW they could have done so from day one.

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

A Shame really because as much as i disliked what the NOTW did on the phone hacking front they also did some very good pieces of journalism such as the Pakistan cricket spot fixing one if it had not been for the NOTW would anybody else have done that i wonder maybe or maybe not.

Whist not liking the sun we do need another investagative journal at the weekend i feel.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011...s-of-the-world

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

Well i am happy to confirm i have not given any money towards News international and there sleazeball of a comic. I prefer andrex ;)

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

How deeply original. Oh, and hurtful too. *Yawn*. I'm quite certain the small army of honest, dedicated and law-abiding professionals who piled in yesterday to produce the new edition at a moment's notice will be cut to the quick by your enormously insightful input and cease publication forthwith.

No matter. Haters hate. End of.

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

There's always one.

If they had been so dedicated they would not have broken the law but some of them decided to break the law.

They would not be in the position there in now if they had been dedicated enough to report on those within there ranks that were breaking the law therefor standing up for the innocent people they say they support. Anyone who works for a company that hacked in to the phones of innocent people should understand why some of us will not trust them for a very very long time. when they have won back the trust of there readership then i might look at there paper but until that day every time i see them produce an exclusive i will wonder how they got the information in the first place.

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:rofl::rofl:

Oh come on they have been planning it for weeks.

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

The other way of looking at things is the fact they felt the need to hack peoples phones shows a distinct lack of investigative aptitude within the company/s ,which is realy the only reason serious readers would want to buy newspapers these days as any other daily news feeds make the papers out of date as soon as they go to print

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

That would have been business suicide if they had.

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

Quite. I don't see there's any way back. Having filled the Sunday void with another edition of the Sun, the Sun's own reputation is firmly on the line if it is perceived as heading back into NOTW territory.

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

Only time will tell.

Personally I think the Sun's own reputation is bad enough.

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

Yes, indeed, there IS always one who actually knows what he's talking about, rather than just guessing.

First off, you say these people broke the law. You've got proof of that, have you? Only it's been widely reported that so far, at least, none of the arrested Sun employees have been charged with anything. In fact, it is generally accepted (as their company has pointed out) that people in this country are perceived as innocent until proven guilty - so much so that these staff members' suspensions were subsequently lifted. So perhaps you'd like to retract your accusation pending future developments? I wonder.

You then suggest that colleagues of those under suspicion should have reported their (alleged) illegal activities. For that to happen, you're assuming these colleagues would have been aware that such questionable activities were taking place. Let's just say I have absolutely no reason to believe that was the case. Let's face it, anyone up to illegal stuff was hardly likely to broadcast it around the office. So, again, you've pointed the finger at an entire raft of people who are entirely innocent, honest, and law-abiding. Nice one.

On the plus side, I take your point completely about the lack of public trust and having to win that back. That's a given in the wake of the allegations that have been reported and is likely to take a very long time.

However regarding the "weeks" of planning thing, you're again well wide of the mark. Yes, there may have been some preparation work on the project, but staffing and pulling the edition together would indeed have been "at a moment's notice" since the proprietor only gave the go-ahead last Sunday. So, again, I'm afraid your ridicule is unfounded.

Whatever you think of News International, News Corp or The Sun, I hope you'll agree it is only fair to portray the situation accurately. Suffice to say, if a tabloid reported events the way you did in your post, it would justifiably expect to find itself before the Leveson Inquiry, or worse.

HTH

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

Well if you believe that then you will believe anything, they do say the is one born every minute and a certain mr murdoch will be happy that you are so easily taken in.:rolleyes:

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

He may have only have given the go-ahead a week ago, but like all major projects, everything had to be in place for him to say "Go"....

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

Sorry Peter and Hugh, but I am 100 per cent certain you are wrong. In fact, 110 ten per cent as they say in football. ;)

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If you really believe that then you really are gullible because it has been in the planning stages since he closed the old sunday rag it replaced and it was mooted as such at the time and all the media expected this to happen, so that just leaves you believing something different to everyone else.

Try reading this from the Register dated 8th July 2011.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07...y_domain_name/

Or from The Telegraph.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...day-rises.html

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

OK Peter, I think we might be at slight cross purposes here. If you read my original post, you'll see that I referred to "the small army of honest, dedicated and law-abiding professionals who piled in yesterday to produce the new edition at a moment's notice".

Now, whatever has been reported regarding the preparations and dummy issues worked on in advance, I can absolutely, positively guarantee you that what I said there is correct. The vast majority of staff were not forewarned of the launch details until the official go-ahead was given a few days earlier. They were therefore effectively brought in "at a moment's notice". I'm afraid you'll just have to trust me on that. :)

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

Marko, do you work for news international by any chance? Or, do you have relatives/friends who do?

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

I'm in contact with people who do.

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

It's worth pointing out that although that domain is still registered to NI, it doesn't appear to point to an actual site.

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

Well let them know that they now have a massive job ahead of them to turn around the fact that News International is now the Ratner's of the media business

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

No they were not as it was planned for months and they knew what date they were going to produce this rag, no need to trust anyone as I am not that gullible.

If murdoch said put your hand in the fire it will not hurt would you?

If you believe what you have posted then I really do feel sorry for you, producing a newspaper at a moments notice, next you will insist it was with the help of Harry Potter or should that be Voldemort.:rolleyes::confused:

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

Peter, the lowly production and admin staff at the Sun will have been no more aware of exact launch details than you were aware of the content of boardroom discussion when you worked for Virgin Media.

You are allowing your blind hatred for this particular newspaper to cloud the issue. Murdoch and his senior staff will have had the date pencilled in for months but that is not to say they communicated it.

The implication of Marko's posts is that s/he either works for NI or is associated with someone who does. Whether they wish to elaborate on that point is up to them, but even if they have no connection with the organisation, the facts are still the facts. There is no way the jobbing staff in the print works, page layout and similar departments would have been handed such commercially sensitive information any sooner than was absolutely necessary.

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

"that News International is now the Ratner's" I never had anywhere near the dislike for ratner that i have for NI lol.

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

:clap:

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

Thanks Chris, voice of reason. Although I'm pretty confident the launch date was actually a surprise to many senior staff as well as to the "lowly" infantry. ;)

To be honest I didn't expect anything other than the type of blind hatred towards NI that's been exhibited on this thread. My guess is that company could end Third World Debt, cure cancer and feed the starving millions . . . yet still get pelters from all sides.

The answer looks simple to me. If you don't like it, don't buy it.

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

My point exactly and when they have "ended Third World Debt, cured cancer and fed the starving millions " I will consider them as long as they did not hack anything to do it :)

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

err, The Sun is still a trashy newspaper, with the same editorial policy and same addiction to hacking and if it is a "family paper" what about Page 3?

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It is become (if it not there already) the NOTW with a diffrent name

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What about the other sunday newspapers then?

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Same here :angel:

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The Sun's reputation is pretty bad as well, they have also been linked to phone hacking!

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They have been planning the The Sun on Sunday as soon as they shut the NOTW!

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

That is extremely unlikely. Senior staff would need to plan all sorts of logistics, production, staffing, and advertising. These things can't just happen, they have to be planned.

I can understand that junior staff would be kept in the dark to prevent it from being leaked. But it has been expected ever since NOTW closed. It was just a matter of when.

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

I am amazed at how brilliant a company murdochs lot have turned out to be, just think that from scratch and in just one week they decided to print a new rag and lo and behold without any forward planning it came together in that short period of time.

I now know exactly how they did it because obviously they called in the only team capable of such a feat.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2012/02/7.jpg


About as real as it comes.:rolleyes:

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

:clap::clap::clap:

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:LOL:

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A sobering reminder for Murdoch and his apparatus that what goes around, comes round

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2012/02/6.jpg

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

I think right now given what we know which is not the whole story it is completely justified for many of the public to be angry with NI and anyone that feels it is unfair either works for them or benefits from them. They have acted in a despicable manner and there is no defence for what they have done and so far they come across to me as only being sorry they got caught. They still don't really give a stuff about the people they affected or the rights of those people they abused so sorry Marko but right now i will continue to look on NI as little better then pondlife and would rather slowly nail my head to a wall then give a single penny to one of the most disreputable organisations currently about :).

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

They will always be the gutter press in many peoples mind

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

That is a touch to highbrow for those rags.;)

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

I'm being generous today :D

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

:LOL:

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

High praise, mate, coming from you. ;) If only you knew . . .

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

We're all lowly when we're on the outside of the CEO's office door :D

Though my own career in the media was confined to the hectic world of regional weekly Press, I do have some understanding of how quickly an entirely new product can be generated from scratch and with little or no prior warning.

We had a visit from Her Maj on my patch, as bad luck would have it on a Friday, which was our publication day, hence little point going big on it as the daily competition would have done it to death before we got anywhere near.

Der Management decided a full-colour, one-off souvenir paper, to be in the shops by Friday teatime, was the answer. We got a week's notice of this. There was little we could do in advance in any case from an editorial point of view as all the words and pictures had to flow from events on the day, but I was very impressed with how quickly and smoothly the advertising and production departments swung into action.

We produced a darned fine product, though I say so myself, and blew anything the competition produced right out of the water. :D. I also got a couple of very privileged vantage points during the day and have absolute, undying respect for our Queen as a result, but that's another story entirely. :)

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

That was for a local rag though. Not a national paper, which is on a massive scale compared.

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

The point of the comparison was to show that it isn't difficult to do something new at short notice, even if that new thing is outside of the norm for the organisation concerned.

However, producing a newspaper is the same process, regardless of whether it's a regional or a national title. The national title requires more staff to make it happen but the process is not new; it is well understood and not at all complicated for an organisation with sufficient staff and expertise to pull off.

I'm surprised you're not already aware of this, given your family connections.

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

My local paper always has exclusives about a school that raised money with a bake sale, or pictures of local politicians with a spade. Not sure if they would ever stop the presses with a big story.

Not sure what the point of this comment is really...

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

That's because there's a difference between a local free-sheet and a paid-for regional title. Mine was the latter. There are still quite a few paid-for weeklies about, but the huge number of free-sheets in circulation tends to give the category 'weekly' a bad name. A free-sheet exists to sell adverts and the editorial content is the minimum necessary to encourage people to read it and therefore justify the advertising rates. A paid-for weekly is as much a part of the UK's regional news industry as any other and in an area where it competes with other paid-for titles, especially where that competition is a daily paper, (as mine did, still does in fact) the editorial exclusives are of a rather better quality. ;)

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

Sorry but if you are still insisting that the paper only came together in 7 days then you are delusional as it is not possible in the real world.

It has been planned for months as that amount of work and preparation takes time and effort.

If a certain Mr Murdoch read these posts he would be laughing up his sleeve because some people have fell for the hype.

Even if you are an employee and you believe this I wonder at the kind of staff employed and what criteria they are using to recruit them, I also wonder is the vehicle below driven by any of those new employees.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...012/03/154.jpg

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

It was probably decided the same moment the decision was made to stop the NOTW.

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

All they had to do was add the words "Sunday" and "on" to the title page ,print some stories that didn't get used the previous week and bob's your uncle the Sun on Sunday is born all the staff where already in place

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

It is easy to pull off on a local level, where the logistics are in place, and it only takes paying overtime to staff to do another press run.

However with a national paper it takes a huge amount of logistical organisation. Although the print run probably isn't any more of a problem than it is for a local paper.

I'm not saying it would be impossible, but it would cause many problems. It would be very nieve of anyone to think that senior management hadn't been planning this for a long time.

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I think you are probably right. Many people (including myself) predicted it on that very day. So it certainly didn't come out of the blue for senior management.

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

It was not an unplanned event by a very long chalk otherwise no one would have even advertised in the rag.

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

Probably was planned or at least the idea has been floating around since the NOTW closed but the point Chris is making and i would bow to his expertise in this matter is that from taking a decision to print the paper on a sunday to actually having a viable paper would probably only take a few days because the staff ,news items,advertisers and infrastructure where already in place

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

No way was it decided to print in less than a week not unless they had help from the A-Team.

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

I give up, mate. I really do. For something closer to the truth, see martyH's posts. As I originally said, staff piled in at a moment's notice to produce the first new paper. It was on a day they were supposed to be off, so plans were cancelled, arrangements trashed, and all those who could practically come in made themselves available. I'm not saying plans for the paper weren't made in advance - it's a reasonable assumption that they were. But when the starting gun was fired it came as a genuine surprise to most, if not all, and staff were required instantly to rally round, which they did. It really shouldn't be that hard to understand, Peter, but you're making extremely heavy weather of it. Anyway, no point falling out - life's too short! :)

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

You do realise that it's not a new paper as such it is effectively just a sunday run of the weekday paper

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

The very most senior staff will have had the date in mind for some time. The point is, it is not necessary from a production point of view to tell all the staff what's planned some time in advance.

Don't be fooled by the dribbling of those who haven't been there - modern newspaper production is an efficient, scalable process. This was entirely within the means of a large, wealthy company like NI and its large, skilled workforce.

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

Me to.......:no::no::no:

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

We are all just speculating. The only people who know for sure are those in senior management at the Sun (unless of course a newsagent is going to tell us that they knew weeks ago).

Chris says it would in theory have been possible to do it all in a week. But most of us believe it was planned a long time ago....does it really matter? The fact is that one gutter press Sunday paper has just been replaced with another.

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

Add me to that.

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

i did buy it on sunday..

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

Its a Tory paper, and l hate anything associated with the Tories.

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

OK I believe you because no newspaper owned by Rupert Murdoch has ever told lies or hacked into voicemail belonging to a dead child giving the family false hope, so by virtue of those facts I also believe that the Sunday **** was put together at a moments notice purely on a whim and a wing and a prayer, also all that advertising space was never there because no one knew it existed.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2012/02/2.jpg

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

advertising space can be bought and sold at a moments notice ,a few phone calls/emails to existing advertisers and they will be falling over themselves to fill the pages with their adverts ,especially a paper as popular as the sun

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

And what was your opinion?

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

So you hate the Reform Act of 1867, which gave the vote to the urban male working class, Winston Churchill, and the VM broadband you use, as this was brought about by the privatisation of BT and allowing competition into the market....;)

Re: Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?
 

l would not buy it even if it was offered to me for nothing.