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Itshim 05-07-2012 15:44
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35449965)
Well thats typical of Sky thats for sure.:(:td:

Sorry Den, why would they not. Its all about them selling to the end user. As much as I would prefer it to be on MY choice,at the end of the day that is what it is, a choice :D

passingbat 05-07-2012 18:17
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35449965)
Well thats typical of Sky thats for sure.:(:td:
Everyone knows that, so why didn't the VM team negotiating the VM channels sale build guaranteed access to new any new Sky channels into the Deal? In fact selling the channels now seems to have been a bad idea. BT have said that part of the reason for getting the football is to have some levarage over Sky for channel access.

Joe public are aware of Sky's tactics; it seems as if VM's negotiating team weren't.

spiderplant 05-07-2012 19:04
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35450019)
In fact selling the channels now seems to have been a bad idea.
So you'd rather have Bravo, Trouble and Virgin 1 than Sky Sports HD, Sky Movies HD, some Sky basics HD, Sky Anytime and Sky Sports Red Button?

alwaysabear 05-07-2012 19:07
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35450019)
Everyone knows that, so why didn't the VM team negotiating the VM channels sale build guaranteed access to new any new Sky channels into the Deal? In fact selling the channels now seems to have been a bad idea. BT have said that part of the reason for getting the football is to have some levarage over Sky for channel access.

Joe public are aware of Sky's tactics; it seems as if VM's negotiating team weren't.
I agree the negotiating team certainly did not think to the future . I think a lot of people at the time said it was a bad idea to sell VM TV and so it would seem.

carlwaring 05-07-2012 19:12
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Of course, these are people (such as alwaysabear, above*) who probably have no real clue as to how these sorts of negotiations are conducted and whether it might be possible that VM did actually try that but couldn't make it work; or any other of a number of possible scenarios.


(* and me, of course, but then I'm not commenting precisely because I don't know anything about it.)

Dave42 05-07-2012 19:13
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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35450028)
So you'd rather have Bravo, Trouble and Virgin 1 than Sky Sports HD, Sky Movies HD, some Sky basics HD, Sky Anytime and Sky Sports Red Button?
exactly they would have been moaning more if VM didnt sell and never ever got them channels and as most people no they would never ever got them without selling the channels to sky

alwaysabear 05-07-2012 19:15
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35450032)
exactly they would have been moaning more if VM didnt sell and never ever got them channels and as most people no they would never ever got them without selling the channels to sky
Unfortunately, it means VM have no leverage what so ever, so will either have to pay the going rate for the new channels that Sky will launch or probably go without.

Dave42 05-07-2012 19:19
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Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35450033)
Unfortunately, it means VM have no leverage what so ever, so will either have to pay the going rate for the new channels that Sky will launch or probably go without.
they have got leverage in there broadband access if they chose to use it broadband access for channels but thats very unlikely indeed

alwaysabear 05-07-2012 19:23
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35450034)
they have got leverage in there broadband access if they chose to use it broadband access for channels but thats very unlikely indeed
Sky do not need VM superfast Broadband access they already have access to super fast BB through BT. BT seem to hold all the aces when it comes to access to Sky channels now. We shall see in the next 12 months.

Dave42 05-07-2012 19:29
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Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35450035)
Sky do not need VM superfast Broadband access they already have access to super fast BB through BT. BT seem to hold all the aces when it comes to access to Sky channels now. We shall see in the next 12 months.
was just making point they did have some leverage but sky made it clear they not gonna let anyone have the missing channels so not alot can be done sadly

muppetman11 05-07-2012 19:36
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Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35450035)
Sky do not need VM superfast Broadband access they already have access to super fast BB through BT. BT seem to hold all the aces when it comes to access to Sky channels now. We shall see in the next 12 months.
Couldn't agree more , BTs fibre network will pass more homes than VM's within the next few years. I agree also that BT could gain access to some of Sky's channels through this premiership deal , it would certainly appear that these two are holding all the best cards however VM have pulled a trump card out before so who knows.

OLD BOY 05-07-2012 20:59
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35449325)
No you are a customer of VM , sky sell their channels to VM who in turn bundle them in packs and sell them to you. :)
Yes I know, muppetman, but most of the Sky TV subscription money goes to Sky. VM are acting as their agents in that respect. You'd think that Sky would have regard to that and not disadvantage us, wouldn't you?

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35450037)
Couldn't agree more , BTs fibre network will pass more homes than VM's within the next few years. I agree also that BT could gain access to some of Sky's channels through this premiership deal , it would certainly appear that these two are holding all the best cards however VM have pulled a trump card out before so who knows.
It's not beyond hope that, having succeeded to grab the football rights from ESPN, BT may decide to set up their own bouquet of channels, share them with Virgin Media and try to break Sky's stranglehold on everything you can possibly broadcast.

If BT win some of the studio rights from Sky in a bidding war next time, Sky will have to decide whether to have its satellite customers lose out or enter into a deal with BT to share channels.

That will help, but what I really want VM to be able to do is to enter into deals with the likes of Netflix and have up to date films and programmes streamed to us on TIVO rather than have to rely on Sky.

Sadly, I think that regulation is the only thing that will bring it about and the Competition Commission has let us all down badly in not taking decisive action.

passingbat 05-07-2012 22:19
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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35450028)
So you'd rather have Bravo, Trouble and Virgin 1 than Sky Sports HD, Sky Movies HD, some Sky basics HD, Sky Anytime and Sky Sports Red Button?
I watched very, very little of the VM channels, but that's not the point; sky needed access to them, especially Living because of it's popularity. That gave VM some bargaining power.

And yes, personally, I'd rather have Atlantic than "Sky Sports HD, Sky Movies HD, some Sky basics HD, Sky Anytime and Sky Sports Red Button" I like HD channels, but I'd rather have access to a bigger channel selection than HD versions of existing ones, if that choice has to be made.

But why didn't VM see a Sky Atlantic type channel launch coming, or did they and just ignored it?

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35450063)
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That will help, but what I really want VM to be able to do is to enter into deals with the likes of Netflix and have up to date films and programmes streamed to us on TIVO rather than have to rely on Sky.
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It would be good to have Netflix on Tivo, but unless, Netflix raise their prices, they won't be getting much up to date content.

If Sky's Now TV has an option for a Sky Atlantic subscription, maybe VM should add Now TV to Tivo? In fact, maybe VM could dump their current movies on demand PPV provider and people could buy PPV movies via Sky Now? They could also buy PPV sport via Sky now, which is something VM don't offer currently for Sky Sports content.

spiderplant 05-07-2012 23:44
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35450097)
sky needed access to them, especially Living because of it's popularity. That gave VM some bargaining power.
The problem is it didn't. Remember Sky basics?

passingbat 06-07-2012 11:34
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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35450140)
The problem is it didn't. Remember Sky basics?

If I remember correctly it did. Sky originally wanted to pay VM a pittance for the VM channels, but wanted to charge a lot for the Sky basics. In the end, Sky paid the same amount to VM for the VM basics as they charged VM for the Sky basics.

andy_m 06-07-2012 11:54
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35450208)
If I remember correctly it did. Sky originally wanted to pay VM a pittance for the VM channels, but wanted to charge a lot for the Sky basics. In the end, Sky paid the same amount to VM for the VM basics as they charged VM for the Sky basics.
In other words they'd already used up the leverage the Virgin basic channels gave them. Can't exactly use them as a bargaining chip twice.

denphone 06-07-2012 12:09
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35450037)
Couldn't agree more , BTs fibre network will pass more homes than VM's within the next few years. I agree also that BT could gain access to some of Sky's channels through this premiership deal , it would certainly appear that these two are holding all the best cards however VM have pulled a trump card out before so who knows.
Such eloquent unbiased words MM.:)

passingbat 06-07-2012 12:43
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Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35450218)
In other words they'd already used up the leverage the Virgin basic channels gave them. Can't exactly use them as a bargaining chip twice.
You can't be certain of that. Presumably the VM and Sky basics would have come up for renegotiation in the future. Sky Atlantic is a basic Sky channel, as it's available to all Sky subscribers. Therefore it could have been included in the negotiations.

When VM decided to sell the channels it was because they decided to focus on their core USP; fast broadband. With BT and Sky now offering that, fast BB is no longer a USP for VM. BT seem to have come to the conclusion that you need content to battle Sky. VM had content and sold it.

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35450037)
Couldn't agree more , BTs fibre network will pass more homes than VM's within the next few years. I agree also that BT could gain access to some of Sky's channels through this premiership deal , it would certainly appear that these two are holding all the best cards however VM have pulled a trump card out before so who knows.
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35450229)
Such eloquent unbiased words MM.:)
But what MM says is true though. VM have lost what in my view was a massive USP i.e. fast broadband. And they don't appear to have anything to replace it as a compelling USP. Tivo does it for me, but I'm sure for most prople, Tivo is a preffered box rather than an essential box. And even with Tivo, they are taking so long to bring out the features that would make it more compelling as a USP (multi room streaming and iPad) that you wonder what is going on at VM. If Sky had a box with Tivo functionality, I would be tempted to move. It would be a very reluctant decision because I have been very happy with the service I have had from Telewest/VM over a lot of years.

carlwaring 06-07-2012 12:50
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35450239)
You can't be certain of that. Presumably the VM and Sky basics would have come up for renegotiation in the future.
Given that VM didn't have any channels at all after Sky bought them I don't see how they could have possible "come up again in negotiations" :confused:

passingbat 06-07-2012 12:52
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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35450248)
Given that VM didn't have any channels at all after Sky bought them I don't see how they could have possible "come up again in negotiations" :confused:
We were talking about the situation if VM had not sold the channels.

carlwaring 06-07-2012 14:44
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Well that clears that up then :)

Dave42 06-07-2012 14:56
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35450250)
We were talking about the situation if VM had not sold the channels.
and VM would have even less channels than there got now if they did not sell them then be lot more people be moaning

passingbat 06-07-2012 15:13
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35450285)
and VM would have even less channels than there got now if they did not sell them then be lot more people be moaning
It's possible, but not certain, that we wouldn't have the Sky HD versions, but which other linear channels do you mean?

Dave42 06-07-2012 15:33
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just mean the sky channels as that all the deal can effect and no way would we have any sky HD channel without VM selling the channels as proved here in press link

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...l-1991814.html

and they doing what they nomally do not letting anyone have the other HD channels like SA F1 ect even more proof if needed

passingbat 06-07-2012 16:20
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35450299)
just mean the sky channels as that all the deal can effect and no way would we have any sky HD channel without VM selling the channels as proved here in press link

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...l-1991814.html

and they doing what they nomally do not letting anyone have the other HD channels like SA F1 ect even more proof if needed
We can never know that for sure because times have mooved on and we now have nothing to bargain with, but you are most likely right on that one.

But as I said previously, personally, I'd rather have Atlantic than Sky Sports HD, Sky Movies HD, some Sky basics HD, Sky Anytime and Sky Sports Red Button I like HD channels, but I'd rather have access to a bigger channel selection than HD versions of existing ones, if that choice has to be made.

muppetman11 06-07-2012 16:46
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35450299)
just mean the sky channels as that all the deal can effect and no way would we have any sky HD channel without VM selling the channels as proved here in press link

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...l-1991814.html

and they doing what they nomally do not letting anyone have the other HD channels like SA F1 ect even more proof if needed
Dave in their last set of financial figures they had 159,000 people take the Sky HD pack that quarter , so that's 159,000 x £10.25 = over £1.6 million a month or nearly £20 million a year , probably so a high percentage of those people could get access to F1 HD. Those figures are on just one quarter so as you can see its more business sense than spite besides VM got access to Sky Sports F1.

Dave42 06-07-2012 17:01
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35450333)
Dave in their last set of financial figures they had 159,000 people take the Sky HD pack that quarter , so that's 159,000 x £10.25 = over £1.6 million a month or nearly £20 million a year , probably so a high percentage of those people could get access to F1 HD. Those figures are on just one quarter so as you can see its more business sense than spite besides VM got access to Sky Sports F1.
they could make even more money if they let VM have it even if it had to have sky premium HD to get it on VM and was justing the point to passingbat the VM only got skys HD channels because they sold the channels they had to sky

muppetman11 06-07-2012 17:10
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35450338)
they could make even more money if they let VM have it even if it had to have sky premium HD to get it on VM and was justing the point to passingbat the VM only got skys HD channel because they sold the channels they had to sky
They must feel it's more beneficial financially to keep exclusive on their own platform , Sky Sports F1 HD (available on HD pack) and Sky Atlantic are USP's on the Sky platform in much the same way VM have an exclusive deal with TIVO as their USP of their TV service.

Dave42 06-07-2012 17:24
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35450342)
They must feel it's more beneficial financially to keep exclusive on their own platform , Sky Sports F1 HD (available on HD pack) and Sky Atlantic are USP's on the Sky platform in much the same way VM have an exclusive deal with TIVO as their USP of their TV service.
im personally not bothered about F1HD and SA but know theres lots on here that would like them but it aint gonna happen sky will never let VM have them

Daz555 06-07-2012 18:11
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This sort of thing just encourages piracy/illegal downloads. I remember reading about the huge UK spike in torrent downloads when Sky and Virgin fell out last time and Virgin customers lost the ability to watch 24 legally.

Dave42 06-07-2012 18:45
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Originally Posted by Daz555 (Post 35450359)
This sort of thing just encourages piracy/illegal downloads. I remember reading about the huge UK spike in torrent downloads when Sky and Virgin fell out last time and Virgin customers lost the ability to watch 24 legally.
exactly and sky losing lot of money just out of spite with them with holding the channels

denphone 06-07-2012 18:56
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35450372)
exactly and sky losing lot of money just out of spite with them with holding the channels
And l suspect overall they do not gain that many customers by this spiteful intransigent stance.

jempalmer 06-07-2012 20:57
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35450377)
And l suspect overall they do not gain that many customers by this spiteful intransigent stance.
Hugely eloquent use of language Den, well stated. Thank you for your friendship, not having a great time at the moment. It's very reassuring to have someone who cares :)

andy_m 06-07-2012 23:53
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I dislike Sky, but from a business point of view they are a success story. The decision to withhold some channels will be based on sound business principles, not spite.

LexDiamond 07-07-2012 14:02
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Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35450510)
I dislike Sky, but from a business point of view they are a success story. The decision to withhold some channels will be based on sound business principles, not spite.
Plus there is no point in looking at just the channel in isolation. Atlantic plus Sky Go plus apps plus HD content etc all add up together to diffrenciate the product and try and make it hard for Sky customers to leave in for VM unless it is purely a financial decision.

Telly_ 09-07-2012 00:24
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Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35450510)
I dislike Sky, but from a business point of view they are a success story. The decision to withhold some channels will be based on sound business principles, not spite.
OMG someone spoke with common sense, Sky give VM

Sky-Living
Sky-One
Sky-News
Sky-Sports 1,2,3,4
Sky-Movies(all)
Sky-Living it

Virgin will not give Sky access to its broadband, its VOD service, it has TiVo exclusive...Sky may only give some channels in SD but thats like Virgin saying, Ok you can have access to out network but you're only getting upto 20Mb..But Virginmedia don't even do that.

Itshim 09-07-2012 09:57
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Originally Posted by LexDiamond (Post 35450590)
Plus there is no point in looking at just the channel in isolation. Atlantic plus Sky Go product and try and make it hard for Sky customers to leave in for VM unless it is purely a financial decision.
The very reasons my son wont switch :dozey:

passingbat 09-07-2012 10:21
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Originally Posted by Telly_ (Post 35451023)
Sky give VM

Sky-Living
.
Living was a VM channel; the one that Sky really wanted.

carlwaring 09-07-2012 11:21
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Originally Posted by Telly_ (Post 35451023)
Virgin will not give Sky access to its broadband, its VOD service, it has TiVo exclusive...Sky may only give some channels in SD but thats like Virgin saying, Ok you can have access to out network but you're only getting upto 20Mb..But Virginmedia don't even do that.
Gets my vote for the "World's Worst Analogy" award :D

kop32 09-07-2012 14:00
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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35451087)
Gets my vote for the "World's Worst Analogy" award :D
Hmm,mine goes to this gem..... Tivo - Saves you the one thing you never have enough of; TIME. ;)

andy_m 09-07-2012 14:28
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Who wants to tell him?

carlwaring 09-07-2012 15:21
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Tell him what? The difference between an analogy and a statement of fact? :p:

Henkesghost 09-07-2012 18:48
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Originally Posted by kop32 (Post 35451143)
Hmm,mine goes to this gem..... Tivo - Saves you the one thing you never have enough of; TIME. ;)
Hasn't saved me time, I'm never off the phone to virgin reporting faults with it:(

devilincarnate 09-07-2012 19:03
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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35451173)
Tell him what? The difference between an analogy and a statement of fact? :p:
Come on the I do not know the diffrence:confused:

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Originally Posted by Henkesghost (Post 35451221)
Hasn't saved me time, I'm never off the phone to virgin reporting faults with it:(
Stop looking for faults then Henke:D

denphone 09-07-2012 20:47
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Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35451156)
Who wants to tell him?
l will tell the lovely man.:D

Henkesghost 09-07-2012 21:03
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Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35451230)
Come on the I do not know the diffrence:confused:



Stop looking for faults then Henke:D

M8 since my super duper upgrade to superhub and TiVo I have barely had Internet access for a full week running, always down, on demand down too! Have been told it's a fault in the area that they are trying to sort but it's been about 3 months. Not happy paying over £100 pounds a month for a service I don't get for more than a week running. Apart from that all is well.

devilincarnate 09-07-2012 21:13
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Originally Posted by Henkesghost (Post 35451266)
M8 since my super duper upgrade to superhub and TiVo I have barely had Internet access for a full week running, always down, on demand down too! Have been told it's a fault in the area that they are trying to sort but it's been about 3 months. Not happy paying over £100 pounds a month for a service I don't get for more than a week running. Apart from that all is well.
Sorry mate:(


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