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So I will ask the question, Why are you so interested in what vm employees do on this forum and why do you only ask us these questions. I find it very strange that you are ONLY asking VM staff these questions.

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So, beyond the practical aspect of having paper to burn or stuff in their sleeping bag for warmth, what makes you think that the homeless would be any more interested in this book than a redundant VM Staffer? For that matter, what makes you think they would be any less offended? After all, in both cases, it could be percieved that Richard Branson is telling them how well he has done, and how well they haven't. Essentially, rubbing their noses in it.

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You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but remember it is only your opinion and you cannot speak for anyone else.

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Just because a lot of CF members have steered clear of commenting on your apparent fascination with VM employees do not assume that we haven't noticed what you have been posting or that we condone the sometimes condescending tone of those posts.

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I am glad i was not the only one to see these posts in that way :tu:

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I was never sure whether they were condescending or patronising - then I realised they were probably both.....

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To be frank I think that this thread has run its course and should now be closed due to the fact that these books were originally Christmas presents of a sort and as it is now March plus the fact the reason behind it has always been rather suspect.

I doubt that many members will be unhappy to see it closed.

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Gets my vote but what will be the next reason for the continued questioning of VM staff on here about there employer employee relationship

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Absolutely, but I doubt most people know of the existence of/care about this thread enough to participate. Only one extra person has cared enough to make a post about it, the rest being made by the usual crowd.

VM staff were not obliged to accept this gift, indeed many didn't, and neither will the homeless be required to do so if they do not wish to.

Remember, the homeless are often at rock bottom, have low self esteem and believe no-one cares about them. A gift to open on Christmas day (whatever it is) is more important than the material possession. It may well be the only gift/card that they receive.

From the knowledge that I have about him, I do not think that Richard Branson is that sort of person. The homeless may actually receive some inspiration from him.

I'm sorry you feel like that. Nevertheless, this will not stop me and others helping those less fortunate than ourselves.

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Or you could try to change the tone and manner of your posts....

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As this thread is now verging on the ridiculous I will unsubscribe from it and hope that either it dies a natural death or the team see fit to close it with it being well past Christmas.

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Still sidestepping my questions.You are very good at that.:bsmack:

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Don't worry about it Maggy as the more he avoids answering the more he's saying about himself which either way is detrimental to how the rest see his point of view

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What I really dislike is how much of a Uriah Heep he sounds like.:mad:

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As previously explained, tactics to try and manipulate me into making inappropriate disclosures will not work- I have been in business for many years. Your point was made professionally and politely though :)

It's a shame you seem to prefer being gratuitously caustic, rather than contributing constructively to help those less fortunate than ourselves.

Remember, anybody can end up homeless. All it takes is the loss of a job, an accident, a relationship breakdown etc

Back on topic, I am awaiting a reply to an email to try and get the books out of the building before VM hand over the keys to the landlords agent.

The next issue is getting the books from Liverpool to Leeds. None of our vans travel on that route, so can everybody please rack their brains to think of anybody that could help? If we can't collectively muster any help on here, don't worry, all is not lost as many of our staff have kindly made appeals on facebook, so something may be sorted out that way :)

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You could always cycle over. I believe the canal towpath is a nice route between Liverpool and Leeds. :)

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lol, alas, i'm unable to cycle (disabled), but it was a good idea!

I have a friend who lives near Huddersfield that is a keen cyclist, so he may be able to help, depending on how many books are left.

Does anybody know how many books remain at Albert Dock?

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Electric wheelchair with a buggy in tow?

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I suggest that we take this person at the face value he has placed on himself and refuse to interact with him any further.

He has no validity in questioning anyone who is a VM staff member and he has no authority to do anything to anyone however much he tries to threaten.He is the worst kind of bully just like the Dickens character I already mentioned.

Avoid him,do not engage with him,do not reply however much he annoys you.He can do nothing but keep trying to annoy and if we ALL fail to react then he can only hold a conversation with himself.

Of course if you like being treated as if you are an idiot by all means continue interacting with him but please don't whine when he upsets you.

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It wasn't a tactic (which again says a lot about how you see this thread.. ) Instead it was simply just the truth.. I don't care if you answer Maggy's questions but that doesn't change the result as to your excuses and refusal to answer.

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Well said Maggy, I said he would try to keep this thread going or start another and i was right. Hopefully other Staff members left on this forum will do as i am about to do and put him on ignore.

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I'm not a wheelchair user :erm:

I have never suggested that VM staff members, or anybody else for that matter, are obliged to respond to any of my posts. Obviously, as adults, they have free will.

I do not have direct managerial responsibility for any VM staff and have never suggested otherwise.

It is now, in general, socially unacceptable to openly bully minority groups, for example, those with a disability.

To get round this, those with a penchant for unfair discrimination and hatred tend to try and humiliate, isolate, discredit and alienate people, often the most vulnerable members of society. It is pretty standard for them to try and do the same to anyone else who refuses to go along with their wishes.

Attempts will be made to label them as stupid, or for them to be ostracised from the rest of the group.

I believe that there are many reasons for this, which I won't go into here.

Thankfully, over the years, social advances have been made as people become more enlightened. For anybody interested (or if you are the subject of bullying yourself, be it in the workplace or anywhere else) this link provides some useful information and sources of help:

http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/l...y/enforcement/

This link provides more specific information on disability related harassment:

http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/l...t-the-inquiry/

Source: Everyday life/diversity training.

I fully expect my employees to be loyal and maintain confidentiality when asked to do so. I do not expect others to do anything I would not be prepared to do myself and, as such, I am not above this requirement when doing work for others.

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You said you had done with this thread yesterday :confused:

I'm glad you have decided to put me on ignore, as this will save me and others from being subject to your unpleasantness.

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I agree with you Sirius, Maggy's post makes several good points and, although I have never worked for VM, I too shall be putting Richard on my Ignore List.

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:clap: Well said and done

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Then you're really missing out. Electric wheelchairs are awesome fun. I regularly steal one belonging to my colleagues and use it to run over students with.

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