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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbNlMtqrYS0&ob=av2e ---------- Post added at 10:29 ---------- Previous post was at 10:21 ---------- Our national Debt is over £1 Trillion Scolands GDP is £137 Billion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotlan...infrastructure UK GDP is £1.2 Trillion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy...United_Kingdom Since Scotland contrubutes 15% to UK GDP, it is only fair if it takes on 15% of UK National Debt! |
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Surely it has to be 'Tek a luuuuuuuuk'
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Well, I had my say on BBC Radio Scotland this lunchtime ... rather than re-typing it, I'll link to my question on the iPlayer once the edition goes up. :D
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What will happen to BBC, ITV and C4 if Scotland becomes Independent!
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The SNP favours a state-funded broadcaster modelled on BBC Scotland, so it's possible they would seek to negotiate the splitting of BBC Scotland from the rest of the corporation. Given the amount of programming already made at Pacific Quay (BBC Scotland's HQ, in Glasgow), it's possible that the BBC in London would continue to commission material to be made there. That might help square the circle a bit, given that Scotland benefits more from the licence fee than it actually contributes.
The concept of 'Britain' isn't going to go away if Scotland goes independent (and that's still a mighty big 'if', by the way). It will just take on a somewhat different meaning. There's no reason why the BBC couldn't become a federation of broadcasters serving the nations of the British Isles. In fact, England is the only place where the continuity announcers don't refer to the channel at all times as "BBC (insert nation name here)" .... In Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland the channel is always named after the nation you are viewing in. As for the others, well STV has never been subsumed by the single ITV1 brand that now operates across England and Wales so no change required there. The ITV network is already designed to operate as a network of independent local broadcasters. Channel 4 makes no effort to regionalise its output beyond varying its advertising slots from place to place. If it ceased to broadcast on Freeview in Scotland - and I see no reason why it should - then its English operation would still be free-to-air on satellite and probably on cable too. |
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BBC One, BBC Two, BBC Three, BBC Four and BBC News Channel will be split under regional lines in the manner of: EBC: EBC One, EBC Two, EBC Three, EBC Four and EBC News Channel WBC: WBC One, WBC Two, WBC Three, WBC Four and WBC News Channel SBC: SBC One, SBC Two, SBC Three, SBC Four and SBC News Channel NIBC: NIBC One, NIBC Two, NIBC Three, NIBC Four and NIBC News Channel BBC Radio 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 live, 6 Music, 1Xtra, 4 Extra, 5 Live Sports Extra and Asian network will be split under regional lines in the same manner as the TV stations BBC Local Radio will be transfed to the regional braodcasters and renamed They will also share resources andd co-ordinate their activities The BBC Itself will run the childrens channels, The World Serivce, the International TV channels and co-ordinate the actvites of the BBC, EBC, WBC, SBC and NIBC BBC Worldwide will now be resposible for the commercial activities of BBC, EBC, WBC, SBC and NIBC Maybe that could be the new "Federated" BBC model! |
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Alan, calm down, calm down - you are planning for something that is very unlikely to happen.....
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BBC England does exist.....it's called the BBC.
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Isn't 2014 supposedly when economically things are meant to be turning round or starting too in any real way so maybe the timing of it from salmonds point of view is scotland (and the rest of us of course) endures the worst of austerity and he can claim scotland was paying for englands debt or somesuch. He clearly is holding out till 2014 for some practical reason that he feels will give him best chance and elections don't really do that.
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Arriving at the BBC Scotland OB this lunchtime, I was struck at just how disappointed some of the studio audience were that the programme had effectively become a referendum special. Among most Scots, not only is there little appetite for independence, I would say there's little appetite for even talking about it, or voting on it. Of course that does open the disturbing possibility of a yes vote being carried narrowly on a low turnout, which was enough to inflict an Assembly on the reluctant/indifferent Welsh a little over 10 years ago. |
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You're right off course. I'd be surprised if there was a majority of SNP voters who would vote for independence, never mind the majority of the electorate. |
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I am a Scot & I will be voting NO for definate. I think we should leave things as they are. Alex Salmon thinks he is Brave Heart & is actually trying to put the 2 countries against each other, we need one another to keep the UK strong. He is destroying Scotland with his soft touch in the justice system & also allowing to many people into the country. I for one want to keep the £ and not the Euro,. He only wants POWER.[COLOR="Silver"]
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Well, here's my 15 seconds of fame.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...te_13_01_2012/ I commented at a few points during the programme and actually wrote one of the other questions besides the one I read out ... but my main bit is at 38 minutes, asking about the currency of an independent Scotland, and a comment on that issue a little way after 42 minutes. |
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You sound much taller;)
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As I said earlier in the thread wee Alec would be better of campaining down here
Support for Scottish independence is higher in England and Wales than it is north of the border, according to a poll published tonight. Only 26% of voters in Scotland want to break up the Union, compared with 46% who do not, the Survation poll in the Mail on Sunday revealed. In England and Wales, 29% felt Scotland should quit the UK, with only 40% feeling that it should not. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012...n_1206589.html |
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Tom Harris MP has become the latest to alter the subtitles of the Hitler movie, Downfall, for comic effect ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va6r5Ez-VF8 ... losing his role as the party's internet and social media adviser in the process. :D The background to the new subtitles is a minor controversy that blew up last week when a SNP MSP, Joan McAlpine, stood up at Holyrood and claimed that Labour and the Lib Dems were being 'anti Scottish' for opposing independence. |
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There is very little appetite for independence among most Scots, Salmond is playing a very smart game by making it appear the big bad English Tories are dictating when and where a referendum can be held. I'm surprised he hasn't demanded Braveheart be played on repeat in the days leading up to the vote. |
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The blue hue can be attained by simply standing outside for many months of the year in this neck of the woods.;)
There's something about Salmond that make me want to punch his smug face. At the same time I kind of admire what he has done for the SNP. He's clearly opportunistic but he is intelligent enough to continually outmaneuver his foes in both Scotland and those from Westminster. Other than him, I don't see an awful lot of talent in the SNP, then again I could say the same about the Scottish Labour Party who seem to churn out factory produced replicas of what the perceive to be the ideal candidates. |
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Now oddly I find Nicola Sturgeon interesting even in her bad business suits.:erm: |
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If and when Salmond quits politics he SNP is in dire trouble. Remember their previous leader was John Swinney, who is currently running the finance department. Under his tenure the SNP almost vanished from sight.
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Irritates the hell out of me that does. It's when the hands and heads go together the Thunderbirds tune goes through my head.;) |
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That sounds like a Glasgow kiss. |
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When Labour finally becomes left wing again, then they would ditch the SNP and go back to Labour, and I also think that the Conservatives/Lib Dems should let Labour lead the Pro-union campain as they only have 20 MSP's and 12 MP's (which could fall even more come the next election)
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I believe this is a waste of Tax payers money. I am so much against it & we will have it ramed down our throat for 2 years before we get a chance to say No
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The SNP seems to have accepted that it's not a good idea to design a referendum with rules that would make a banana republic blush ... Instead of inventing his own body to 'supervise' the poll, he has now agreed that it's probably a good idea if the (shock, horror) Electoral Commission is allowed to do what it's paid to do.
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Businesswoman Michelle Mone want to move to England if Scotland become indepedent and calls SNP MSPs Muppets!
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She's not the only one to make that threat over the years and she won't be the last to repeat it now the referendum debate is properly underway.
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When the SNP hold the referendum, if they are beaten then the very thing they exist for has been removed from them. Surely the need for the SNP suddenly becomes irrelevant? |
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If (when) the SNP fails to end the United Kingdom in 2014 it will be in a position of advocating the long-term aim of separatism whilst simultaneously being forced to acknowledge that the question can't be asked again any time soon (though I am certain they will start agitating to ask it again rather sooner than anyone else would like). Having set that aside I would expect them to continue to operate as a left-of-centre alternative to Labour with a policy agenda that seeks to set Scotland apart from England at every possible opportunity. The thing to remember about Salmond is that, unlike many in his party, he is and has always been a gradualist. |
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I think that England should get its own parliament with the same powers and the same amount of public spending per person as Scotland
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Which lesson at your university gave you that idea. |
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We would be worse off, I love Scotland as this is my home. But we all need to stay in the UK.
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I think I know what your answer will be (but hope springs eternal in the human breast) - how will this increased public spending be funded?
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Ta dah!!!!
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Yes my sentiments exactly.
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Ah balls 2 more years of Salmond bumping his gums before the vote :mad:
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If this is true the sooner Scotland go the better imo
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I don't think that situation is unique to Scotland. She has just presented in a way that makes it seem unusual. |
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I am just catching up here. But I still believe we need to stay together. Alex Salmon just wants power, Can,t stand the man
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Anyone who puts their faith in Salmond ought to examine their reasons for so doing. Is it really for the long term good of Scotland or is it just a perceived chance to get one over the 'auld enemy' that'll will ultimately cost them dear. I think Salmond is the Scottish Parliament's version of George Galloway. He sounds good on TV but what has he ever really achieved? Anyway, I'm quite glad it's out of my hands and won't be weeping whatever the final decision. In fact it'd be quite nice to see how well Salmond does trying to live up to all the populist rhetoric he's spouted over the years when he's no longer got the English to blame for all Scotland's ills.
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Healthcare - I pay for GP ,Hospital, scripts (all private) Education - Grand children private schools If and when Uni -that will be paid for - guess by then no "state" help will be in place Bus pass - do not have one. Social services- not used Library- not used since Kindle came on the market Fly first class - so pay extra tax for that. Just to have a better seat !!! On top of paying tax on what I earn. State pension - will not claimed when of age. The less I appear on "state radar" the happier I am. Tax paid at highest rate. In France ,USA & UK. Money earned in each country stays in that country. As far as "pay back" is concerned I lose. So please take it personally when I moan about Welfare , NHS or the government giving my money to countries that send up rockets but their people starve.:mad: and the reason despite not being happy about the man Mitt Romney will get my vote. :dozey: As Scotland only costs "me" money - GOOD BYE & good luck |
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Well Mitt Romney doesn't decide British economic policy regardless. I still never understood why you claim to have been disappointed in Obama and switched to Romney, your politics are very solidly Republican. Anyway, you're part of the few that puts more than you put in. Although you don't get nothing. The society you live in benefits from an healthy and educated workforce, just because you don't use it doesn't mean the doctors you pay didn't or the teachers that education your grandchildren didn't either. There are all sorts of ways that society as a whole helps you. I am not going to take it personally when you moan about welfare. I don't receive it at the moment, nor would I feel 'personally offended' if I did. As for Scotland they, as a whole, do not cost you money. They are contributing more to the union than they take for the moment. |
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As I understand it Scotland "spends" more money than the taxes raise in it. So as I see it that is a net cost. The gulf in state spending between Scotland and England has hit a record £1,600 per head. Government spending in Scotland averaged £10,212 per person last year – £1,624 per head more than in England. The staggering figures, buried in Treasury documents, reveal the gap increased by more than 15 per cent in only a year. Under the arrangements, the Scots receive 10 per cent of the money handed out by Whitehall, despite having little more than eight per cent of the population. |
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social services will be there though if you ever need them ,i know it's a little far fetched but just suppose the banks go bust and all your money disappears ;) shock horror you may even need a state pension |
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Arh,yes the BBC The programme maker, that thinks that Christianity has no relevance to world history. When figures are released that show global warming have not increased is not newsworthy . That suppressed a programme about Savile . I can understand why you would rely them for the facts. ---------- Post added at 10:53 ---------- Previous post was at 10:50 ---------- Quote:
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That might have something to do with reading it most days :) As I guess you must do as well. Dont you just "love" Peter Hitchen. Say it like it is :D |
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Anyway I find it ironic that you decide the BBC cannot be trusted on the facts because it disagrees with the stories presented in the Daily Mail. The Global Warming story being the most obvious example of this, the Met Office did a good debunked of that here: http://metofficenews.wordpress.com/2...-october-2012/ |
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A pretty decent piece on how independance wouldn't be anything of the sort.
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Will our Scottish Mods be able to continue post-independence? It's a question we all need to think about I think....:D
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Well we will until Emperor Salmond decides to ban them from the Clyde. Quite how he wants to replace all the lost jobs from closing Faslane and Coulport hasn't yet been decided. Along with all the other defence jobs that would be binned once Scotlands army after independence would consist of a couple of blokes with old rifles and a rusty converted fishing boat. |
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He could use the nukes to take out the deprived areas. That would save money on the welfare budget and bring in tourists to see the ruins. |
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I hope they/you don't leave, I think it would be tragic to lose a part of Britain. I wonder how soft the current polling is that suggests 25% in favour. Can 25% of people be won over? Additionally, if it's a 'no' then how long is this issue dead for? |
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In all serious I've yet to speak to anyone who thinks Scotland going independant is the right move for Scotland. Nobody I know will be voting yes, myself included. |
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He's gone kind of quiet on that front since their economy tanked. :rolleyes: ---------- Post added at 14:29 ---------- Previous post was at 14:27 ---------- Quote:
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So who will be rebuilding Hadrian's wall if you go independent. :LOL:
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Already got the quotes in mate .....waiting on planning permission :rolleyes:;) ---------- Post added at 18:40 ---------- Previous post was at 18:33 ---------- discussed on jeremy vine today ,who gets to vote.As it stands at the moment a Scottish born person living in England cannot vote ,an English born living in Scotland can.i think it was for 15 yrs but not sure ,seems that a lot of people may be upset when the time comes |
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I still cannot understand why that twit Salmond is revered by so many. Are they really that stupid? Good luck and God bless. Truly beggars belief.
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Since it's been such a key policy of his, I wonder if Salmond will react to a 'no' vote by resigning or will he and his cohorts take a leaf out of the EU book and simply decide the question needs to be asked again?
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He's too arrogant to resign. I wonder what goes through his mind as he drifts off to sleep at night. I know what I'd like to go through his head...
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9mm, or perhaps .50. Need something large calibre to ensure a direct hit on the very small brain. RPG at point blank range would do the job :D
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My grandad was born in Glasgow, he only left to marry my nan who was born and lived in London, where they lived until he went to WWII.
he was a very proud Scot, but was also British and served for King and country. I would be very suprised if Scotland broke away form the UK. If it was to happen the only thing that would be joint would be security of our island. |
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