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It was as one sided as they come in 1 minute of each 3 minute rounds.

In the other 2 minutes Pacquiao did nothing to deserve winning the rounds.

Sorry but Manny has no one but himself to blame for that decision. You can't do nothing for 2 minutes a round and then cry when you don't get a decision based on the last 1/3 of the round.

For too long boxers have been getting decisions for ending rounds strong over fighters that fought the entire round. I'm glad to see it go the other way.

That "review" is *******s btw, boxing isn't scored on number of punches landed as measured by compubox. It's scored on effective aggression, defence, ring generalship and clean hard punching. Effective aggression and ring generalship are hard things to sell when you're only turning up for 1/3 of the fight.

Compubox stats are useless when it comes to deciding who won a fight because their punches "landed" aren't all clean, they count anything that lands on the opponent, even if it's deflected or blocked. And their "power punches" are just types of punches, they don't really measure if the punches actually had any power behind them or if the other guy was at all hurt my them.

I'm not saying the judges did a good job though, I thought Manny won, no where near as wide as the likes of HBO scored it, but it wasn't as one sided as many people would have you believe. Many people who like HBO think you can sit off for 2/3rds of a fight and walk to a decision based on ending rounds strongly. You can't, you shouldn't, and whilst the decision may be "bad for boxing" in many ways it was right for boxing because at least now boxers might actually go into the ring thinking they actually have to, you know, box?

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I watched a fight either earlier this year or the last where one of the corners threw in the towel but the referee simply kicked it away. The fight continued and I think a) it went all the way to be settled on points, or b) the fighter who's corner threw the towel won.

I know this is not much to go on but does anyone know the fight I am referring to? Hoping someone with a better memory than me might have seen it.

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Miguel Cotto v. Yuri Foreman in June 2010?

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/view...?ArticleID=633

Foreman's towel was thrown in and thrown back out again. He still went on to lose.

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I dont think it was this one.

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Happened in Graham Earl Vs Michael Katsidis as well.
Earl's corner threw the towel in in the 2nd round, referee threw it back out.

Earl retired near the end of the fight anyway.

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http://www.irish-boxing.com/2012/04/

Dean Byrne v Terry Holmes???

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/18801543

Cant wait for this grudge match, Not many are fans of both but it's stupid for Chisora taking this match and it's even stupider to run around thinking he's actually good at what he does. He claims he'll knock Haye out.. Give me a break I wonder if he's actually sat down and taken a long look at David Haye's wins because only two of them have went the distance. The guy is a knockout machine and when it comes to Chisora it's just waiting to happen.

Haye by KO.

Khan vs Garcia, Don't believe all the hype the same way we bought into Carl Froch as an underdog, this guy is the same, Champion of fighting unknown trash, Khan will make a joke out of him.

Khan via TKO

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for those of you that don't know of channels. I didn't realise Hayes fight was on boxnation...

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Chisora humbled

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Prediction was spot on, Strong message sent to Vitali tonight, Don't be surprised to see Vitali take a typical crap fight and fob Haye off. Fact is Haye keeps banging on the door.

12 rounds we seen Vitali and Chisora prove nothing. Haye just destroyed Chisora.

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Problem is Vitali would be an entirely different fight.
Chisora wanted to fight. The Klitschkos have shown time and time again they don't really want to fight, and are happy plodding around the ring jabbing their way to the final bell.
Haye fights best against someone who will throw a few punches and leave him an opportunity.

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Which is why Haye has to go in with nothing to lose and just throw those punches constantly.

I dont think we will see Vitali for a while and I dont think he'll take the fight.

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You can't against someone with that big a size advantage on you.
Your speed counts for nothing when you have that much extra distance to cover, he'll end up coming in onto a jab constantly.

He'd need to sucker Vitali into a fight, leave himself open, tempt Vitali to throw a few punches to give himself an opening. If he just tried to rush at him throwing punches he'd end up losing 99 times out of 100.

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Was it a good fight? I don't like either of the 2, but had hoped Haye would have beaten Chisora. Now all I need is for Amir to win tonight and I'm happy. Got it on to record, so hopefully I will manage to avoid the result until watching tomorrow afternoon.

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It was probably one of the best heavyweight fights of recent years, although that's not really saying much.

Definitely worth a watch if you can get hold of it. The last round was a thing of beauty from Haye.

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Thanks, will try and get a copy somewhere.

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Its seems Knan is the one who is the joke after losing in round 4.:(

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/18846137

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I think Khan should retire before he seriously gets hurt. He took masive punches last night and was all over the place. I don't think he can handle the "top level". I like Khan and have watched all of his fights, including the Olympics in 2004. He's going the same way as Enzo Maccarinnelli :(

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He is a bit like Haye where it is all talk but not much substance.

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nasty blow totally fecked him. Garcia done well to stay in the fight and even counter punched then found his reward for sticking in there.

was it a lucky shot or does Khan lack self control in the sense of protecting himself. i understand he was on the front foot and all but be a little more cautious ?

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Khan has only himself to blame, If I was Freddie Roach, I'd be slapping the hell out of him now, He was executing the game plan to perfection but in traditional Khan style he stopped following instructions, went from in and out to in and staying there to be hit. His cockyness has pee'd me off now.

Either hang it up or mimic Manny, It's about time he fought with his heart and brain not his hand speed.

Haye has a right to talk, he may have put on a diabolical showing to Wlad but he's put 24 guys down of the 26 guys he's beat with a phenomenal KO record.

My way back for Khan would be a squash match in England then a fight with Kell Brook to put him back on the radar should he win.

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Haye has plenty of substance though?

Haye's weakness is that he is in a division of giants because he the cruiserweight division is pointless, so he stepped up to a division where he's dwarfed by the Klitschko's, who are not only massive, but are perfectly fine with jabbing fights out to the final bell, which give a guy like Haye not much chance to land his big punches.

Khan has always lacked self control. His response to getting hurt is to swing for the fences, and he always leaves himself open.
He doesn't have a boxing brain, he doesn't know when he should just stay out of range or hug up. He could have survived and possibly won that fight if he just hugged out the 4th round. Instead he tried to trade blows when he'd lost his legs so had no power in his punches. It's a mistake you'd expect at amateurs, not from someone who's talked themselves up as a Mayweather opponent.

Going in to that fight everyone knew Garcia had one punch, yet Khan still got his with it. It was a poor performance. He saw he hurt him in the first 2 rounds, and then went looking for a knock out leaving himself way too open to the guys only real punch.

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Khan's talking about a Rematch.

Personally I don't think that's the right way to go. Garcia wont come out to see what Khan's got this time, He'll come out and batter him with the left immediately and to be honest I don't think Khan has a clue what to do when he's on the back foot.

I'm all for seeing Tyson Fury thrown into the ring with David Haye. Have them do an Eliminator fight for a title shot against Vitali.

Everyone can see Fury being a world champion and I don't doubt that but it will not be when the Klit's are around. Haye will demolish Fury and just about every other Heavyweight out there. It's sad to say there are only 3 Heavyweights currently worth their talk in the division and they simple wont be fighting each other.. at least anytime soon. Wlad, Vitali and Haye.

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So with Ricky Hatton expected to announce his comeback today does anyone wish to speculate where this is going?

PacMan - Hatton could eye up a rematch with the guy that previously dispatched him in 2 rounds, Manny has since seen some poor performances and the whole idea of a Mayweather Super fight shunned due to his recent bouts. Could Hatton win? or could it revive Pacman.

Mayweather - The First loss of Hatton's career came at the hands of this man, It'd make for a giant payday for both sides with the massive revenue brought in previously. For me I don't see a Hatton win. Floyd is simply the best in the world.

Amir Khan - This I feel is going to happen in November. First of all it would be a massive all British fight at Wembley that will revive the Career of the winning fighter. People already speculate the fight would be rigged in Khan's favour and it's just a ploy to get his career back on track. Could Hatton deal with Khan's superior hand speed?

- Possible fights anyone?

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Seems Hatton will be going for a Squash match but has set the 24th of November as the date at the MEN Arena (Manchester) Khan seems determined he'll be in the ring in November too.

Calling it unlikely that Khan's the opponent as it's not a squash match by any means.

Your typical boxing fans have been quick to dismiss the Mayweather/Pacman possibilities giving the reason that neither of them need to face Hatton and have both previously beaten him which is all fine and true but we all should know it has nothing to do with how good or how poor the other guy is, It's how much money the fight can generate. A fight against any of these two would be a substantial cash-in.

I feel like Mayweather has achieved all he can achieve now. The only guys that want to face him are the up and coming young fighter's who haven't a clue what they are actually getting themselves in for. Getting in the ring with Floyd would put a hefty mark on those undefeated streaks and so on. Mayweather has nothing left to prove. Pacman will never and probably never could beat this man. Mayweather adapts to his opponent's style and proceeds to dismantle the guy piece by piece and I have no doubts that would happen to Manny also.


Khan's opponent?

Kell Brook? Would propel Khan back on track and could make Brook's career should he win. A loss for Khan I'm afraid would spell the end of his career.

Garcia II - Unlikely for me, I feel that Garcia know's prior to a fluke Knockout punch he was being totally dismantled in the ring and was looking close to bowing out himself in a few more rounds. Khan would stick to a gameplan this time whilst Garcia will be over-confident of KO'ing him again which would land him in trouble coming forward into the blurring speed of Khan. Garcia won't be in any hurry to take a rematch up. In the mean time, Garcia has opted for Erik Morales.

Lamont Peterson - Grudge match so to speak with Lamont having 'cheated' in their previous encounter along with some dubious scorecards. Lamont is no trouble for Khan in the ring and is someone Khan should really be putting out before bell.


David Haye - Well there's only one fight David has any interest in and it's Vitali. It's 50/50 at the minute and could go either way and we'll not find out for some time. If Haye catches him, Haye knocks him out, If he lets Vitali throw the jab of death then he loses on points that's the way I feel about it. according to Fury & Price, Haye has ducked the pair of them. That's a load of crap. Quick talk to get your image up somewhat, neither of them would tell him that to his face and neither of them would dare step in the ring with him this early in their careers. What would Haye gain from knocking out two guys with no credible fights to their name.. and destroying the British Heavyweight division in the process.

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Not much to say but that Ricky Hatton's a absolute fool for coming back and l can't see his comeback lasting longer then 6 months as anybody decent could give him a right hammering similar to what PacMan and Mayweather gave him when he was at his pomp.

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Amir Khan splits from boxing trainer Freddie Roach.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/19608995

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Hatton confirms it's not a big known fighter for November,

Pacman vs Marquez IV - 8th November 2012.

I can see Manny losing this.

The way Manny has looked lately along with Khan's performances makes me suspect there is something going on behind the scenes.

No clues to as who will be Khan's next trainer although there was talks of Haye wanting him to link up with his guy Adam Booth. I think he's done well for a speed merchant like Haye and utilised Haye's speed as his defence too, Haye rarely get's hit with a big one.

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No l can still see life in the old PacMan yet.

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Wow this could turn out to be something yet but strong rumours that someone has already offered himself to Khan, no other than Roger Mayweather.

How true this is remains to be seen although I remember Roger offering his services some years ago early career for Khan.

Manny needs a win or he'll be going out looking like he lost it at the very end.

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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...Amir-Khan.html

in relation to this if you missed it...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing...t-gang-1368843

:LOL: how sad.

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Tyson Fury reacts in a crazy way to the outcome of Price Vs. Harrison on Channel 5:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXW7c...rDA&playnext=1

After Price Vs. Harrison Frank Maloney, live on Boxnation, offered Fury £500,000 to fight the winner. About 45 minutes later, live on Channel 5, Fury replies with a mad rant which includes calling Tony Bellew David Prices gay lover ?!?!

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Fury and Price keep hyping themselves as deadly but until they actually fight people that are worth something they are still nothing to me.

David Haye is still the big dog in British HW boxing and Price/Fury will not go near eachother or Haye.

Simple reason is losing any of those fights at this early stage in their career's would be disastrous, It's unlikely Haye will fight again unless it's Vitali anyway.

Audley Harrison though, really Price? You can't make a name off him since that loss to Haye in which he barely threw a punch.

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He didnt land a punch in the Price fight lol

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Nothing remotely new there then, Harrison is a joke of a heavyweight. I could understand why Price would fight a 'bum' like that but it confuses me why David Haye ever gave him a world title chance.

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Yes Mr Harrison lat night was utterly laughable but again sometimes in this country we have a habit of hyping up nobody's like him.:td:

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Emanuel Steward the legendary boxing trainer dies.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/20084057

Extremely saddened to hear this news as he was one of the greatest trainers that had ever lived.:(

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RIP

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R.I.P.

Seems Tyson Fury is trying to talk himself into the ring with David Haye.

I hope Fury can jab it off like Wlad because if any right hand of David Haye hit's that chin and I tell you, It's over, just ask the 'steel chinned' Chisora what they feel like.

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Haye vs Vitali Klitschko is not a definite no go for early 2013 as Haye signs into I'm a Celebrity.

Any chance of a fight would be mid-late 2013 at best.

A part of me think's Haye should drop back down to cruiser, Storm the division, destroy every champion in there and retire with all the belts.

Naturally the Vitali saga is dependent on this political result.

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Nathan Cleverly ponders joining Freddie Roach's famous stable

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/20277261

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Nathan Cleverly defends WBO title beating Shawn Hawk in US

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/20286000

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Didn't think much of Klitschko last night. The brothers are supposed to be these big fighting machines yet I saw plenty of holding last night, admitted the other guy was holding as well, but saw nothing from Wladimir that suggest the Klitschko brothers are so scary.

Just my view though.

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The problem is the heavyweight division is so devoid of talent that we have the scenario of the Klitschko brothers at the top of the pile and that itself tells us that this division has never been in poorer shape l am afraid.

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This is exactly why Haye vs Vitali has to happen but typically it won't.

I've said it before, If Haye catches either Vitali or Wlad just once, they'll both drop.

Price and Fury can bugger off, the pair of them have done nothing but fight bums and somehow are lined up for fights with the Klitschko's.

People can slate Haye as much as they want, He lost to the current best in the world and is still Britain's top Heavyweight.

Klitschko's whilst being the best are put into stupidly easy fights, why Derek Chisora was ever in the ring with a World Champion is beyond me.

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WBO considering naming David Haye as Wladimir Klitschko's Mandatory challenger :erm:

Not sure if He'd take it though. Still nothing to lose if he does.

Awaiting to see if Vitali can form a coalition and retire.

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great stuff from Froch :tu:

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Smashed Mack up easily. Froch will destory Bute all over again if the rematch goes ahead.

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Hector “Macho” Camacho in “fight of his life” after shooting

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...washingtonpost

Very sad to hear this.

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Updates say He's been declared Brain dead and only a miracle would stop the inevitable now.
Also a director at the Hospital saying there is brain activity and he's not brain dead. More important issue at hand than leaking things to the press surely?
Camacho was a world champion at various weight's and notable fight's include Oscar De La Hoya. He had a comeback in 2010.

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Hatton vs Senchenko tomorrow on Primetime...

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Complete waste of money for a has-been.

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Key bouts - Fall 2012

Amir Khan vs Carlos Molina (15/12/12)

After some dubious media outbursts claiming 2 losses via TKO signals the end of a career Khan is back. Virgil Hunter steps in as Khan's trainer and is able to dedicate more time than Freddie Roach was, who's fighters have been having a torrid year. Virgil is well known for being the current trainer of Super 8 and World Champion Andre Ward. Can Virgil make Khan more disciplined in the ring and execute a game plan without swaying? Yes. Going back to Garcia, simple answer is he swayed from the plan in a fight he was simply outclassing Danny Garcia. Fact is Khan is still able to dominate and be completely brilliant in the ring. Claims he's got no chin are ridiculous. We knew Garcia had a punch in him before the fight and Garcia's latest fight proves just this. Khan took a cracking counter and still made it up and had he not been stupid in the following round he could have regained control. Make or break time, if Khan can emulate the style of Andre Ward then we are looking at a masterclass of boxing. If not then it's the end of a race to #1.

Winner - Khan (TKO)

Ricky Hatton vs Viacheslav Senchenko (Tonight)

Ricky Hatton makes his comeback against a standard opponent. Yes a former World champion in Senchenko but a World Champion who had faced noone with any credibility and then lost in his first major fight against a fighter previously put down by Hatton, Paulie Malignaggi.

Winner: Ricky Hatton (Stunning TKO return in the early rounds)

Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez (08/12/12)

Long gone are the days of hype over a Pacman/Mayweather showdown. Simply put is Floyd Mayweather would take Manny Pacquiao apart in his current form and I'd go as far as saying Floyd would have beaten him at his prime too. Mayweather is just something else. So then, yet another bout between Marquez and Pacman, the fourth infact. Many claim Pacman controversially won the previous encounter but I don't know and with the judges we've seen over the previous year it's clear this could go anyway.

Winner: Either (Points)

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I've went ahead and purchased the fight for tonight. Got my brother, Dad and brother-in-law coming down soon.

Visited the Primetime website, their twitter feed and a couple of boxing websites. Looks like there is a problem with SKY viewers trying to buy the fight. The links to watch the fight online and to order via the Primetime website aren't working. SKY customers, who have already booked the event, have suggested the channel isn't working.

Unless this is sorted shortly, looks like a costly cock-up.

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add it manually. 12.523 - H - 27500 - 2/3

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Hatton lost.

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As a boxing fan that was really hard to watch. Hatton tried his best but his timing was all wrong, he was taking too many clean shots and ironically was stopped with a shot to the body. The Hitman is truely gone, it's time for him to hang up the gloves.

What makes me more concerned however is how he reacted after the fight. I don't know if I've ever seen a fighter who sounded so mentally or emotionally fragile in an interview before. "I'm not a failure" is something than rang in my ears. His tears and almost sobbing on the microphone was upsetting to watch. This man needs help.

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^ this ^

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If he is that emotionally fragile, why in the Hell didn't anyone stop him getting in that ring tonight? There must have been a reason why he needed to come back and get the purse from this fight, I'm glad I opted not to buy the fight tonight now.

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I'm only speculating here however would Ricky have climbed back through the ropes if SKY had renewed their TV deal with his promotional company? All of a sudden about 6 months ago Ricky finds out via e-mail that he no longer has any guaranteed TV time or TV revenue.

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Completely off, Handpicked opponent for Hatton and he lost to what I would describe as a poor fighter for the reasons above.

If Hatton was put down by this guy we can at least be thankful he wasn't in the ring with someone that actually had some kind of background because based on that I wouldn't see Hatton lasting a right hand.

Chad's summed it up above, Hatton was only in that ring for a nice pay deal.

Regardless it was a stupid move, many ask how others comeback and get wins after years out, simple answer is they retired from professional boxing but continued to train and prepare as if they were still active, see David Haye, regardless of his retirement he continued training and preparing himself in case he did change his mind, which of course he did, flattening Chisora earlier this year. Haye is still actively training and is always prepared to accept a fight although he's actively preparing for Vitali. Back to how this has anything to with Hatton, simple really, Hatton pretty much gave it up, sure he went to the Gym now and again and probably sparred a bit too but it was never anything major and when it did come to talk time he had little time to prepare his body. Also take into account his drug abuse.


Another upcoming

David Price vs Matt Skelton (30/11/12)

The man that said he's 'ready' for a Klitschko next year take's on a 45 year old man, what better way to prepare yourself for a world champion.
Price need's to be less cocky as Matt Skelton is a former kickboxer with a very good record and this guy packs a serious punch and could cause a major upset.

Winner: Price (On points)

Fury and Price, pair of them are complete idiots, both talk a lot of crap and talk about world titles and the Klitschko's next year but neither of them have fought anyone remotely close to the level of these brothers. It will be an absolute disaster for either of these to go and ruin their career's chasing the Klitschko's without first having a testing fight. Same could have been said about Haye but he'd been in numerous world title fights and big fights at cruiser, he out done the hilarious Valuev and was pretty confident.

Truth be told, the pair of them want nothing to do with either Klitschko brother nor David Haye. All three are too big a risk at this stage in their career's. They need to go after some opponents Klitschko's have fought.. ones that don't end in one dimensional Chisora.

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same night as above...

Freddie Flintoff v Richard Dawson

i hope Flintoff gets K.O'd

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Haha I was hoping to see the same thing! :D

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Well l thought Hatton coming back was pathetic but really Flintoff as a boxer well thats a no no.:nono:

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Anyone know what time and channel the Flintoff fight is tomorrow?

Come on Flintoff FTW

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Its on BoxNation between 20.30 and 23.00 tomorrow night

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Darn. How much is it to watch the fight?

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Its £10 for one months subscription.

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Thanks for the info Mr Denny :)

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Thats okay my young padawan.:)

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Knick, Knack, Padawan, give a dog a bone, this young man went rolling home :D

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The Flintoff fight is on Boxnation tonight.

Here is the unofficial fight line-up doing the rounds on Facebook:

6.50pm - Joe Selkirk v TBA
7.35pm - Steve Williams v Kirk Goodings
8.30pm - Denton Vassell v Ronnie Heffron
9.35pm - David Price v Matt Skelton
10.15pm - Bradley Saunders v Peter McDonagh
10.30pm onwards - Freddie Flintoff v Richard Dawson

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Cheers Chad

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Seen the weigh-ins for the Flintoff one, Guy he's facing looks a bit on the chubby side.

I hope Price has an actual test tonight. I know the opponent has a good kickboxing record and has a heavy hand but I know nothing about him so he could be nothing.

unfortunately I have a security gig until 11:30pm :(

Keep boxing to Saturday nights! :D

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Is everything on Box nation? The fee is 10/month but there is also a one of £10 registration fee!

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Yeah everything is on Boxnation. There is 2 seperate shows, one from Manchester and one from Liverpool. Boxnation are jumping between both.

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Its very hard to step into the ring not many can do it, it takes a lot of guts so I take my hat off to Freddie and hope he puts on a good show

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I missed the fights! I'm reading Price won in the second round and Freddie won on pts. Did anyone watch both fights and if so could you give your review?

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Couldn't judge the Price fight before hand due to me not knowing the opponent and simply going off kickboxing but I guessed right in Price winning and from what I seen he fought a nobody in boxing terms.

Both Fury and Price are getting on my nerves now. Whilst you can't force them to fight big, it's evidently clear they are both avoiding any type of real fight. Truth be told, there's only 3 names in the HW division that mean anything at the moment and they are Vitali, Wlad and Haye. Again it's obvious to why Price has no plans of getting in the ring with either of em.

People say it's fair game but the way I'm seeing it at present is he's early career and he's happily waiting for a title to be vacated for an easy take. This way he becomes a World Champion without having to face the big boys. Vitali will be long gone, Wlad may even hang it up, who knows. If Haye & Vitali/Wlad can't get it on then the future just looks even worse.

Either of these fights MUST happen next year to keep this division alive.

Haye vs Vitali 7/10 - dependent on Vitali's political course.

Haye vs Price or Fury 1/10 - Nor Price or Fury have had to deal with serious power and have their chin's tested, Haye is the last guy you want to test it with. Haye claims he's only interested in a Klitschko... Ask Derek Chisora's chin if that's actually the case though.

Price/Fury vs a Klitschko 4/10 As said above, they are likely waiting for the brothers to pack it all in. I don't believe Price or Fury could deal with Wlad, I'd like to think Price maybe had a chance against Vitali but I'd back a Vitali points win.

Price vs Fury. 8/10 - Constantly down each other's throats. Money to be made from this one, Whether the fighters wan't to throw their records on the line early in their careers is the deciding factor.

Whilst I'd love to see all of them I've listed my odds on them happening in 2013


Flintoff fight - Entertainment value 9/10, Boxing wise 4/10

Fought a bum naturally but found himself down in round 2, Don't see where Flintoff is going with this but I'd say that's him done, Well done to him regardless of opponent. Anyone stronger is a simple no go. I'd rather not see him in the ring again getting punished by a real boxer, feel free to let him fight entertaining little league fights but leave the boxing to the boxers.

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Just seen the fight. Price hurt Skelton with a nice right hand mid-second round and finished him off with some big body shots at end of the round. Skelton's corner actually threw the towel in.

Of course the jury's still out on Price and Fury so early in their pro careers. It'd be interesting to compare the calibre of the opponents they've faced to date with those the current champions faced when they were setting out.

If I were Price I'd be very happy with things right now and in avoiding the top opponents he's only doing what most others have done with a view to maximising their earnings potential. For what it's worth, I'd take Price to beat fury when they finally catch up with eachother.

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very informative, thanks :tu:

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Just watched the Flintoff fight. Well don Freddie. Glad he won. Was a good fight. Shame i didnt put the bet on as he was the underdog so it would have been a nice payout

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While he should be applauded for stepping into the Boxing ring the fact is at the end of the day he fought a nobody and the problem will be if he steps up in class he is likely to find that being on the floor more will not be to his liking.

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Tyson Fury defeats Kevin Johnson in a poor fight in Belfast

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/20553461

Not that impressive though.

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Indeed like I've said above, I'm not impressed with Price or Fury but after last night's showing I'd back Price in a match between these two.

Problem being one win for Fury makes him the mandatory challenger for a HW title. So an easy squash match sets him up.. Brilliant.

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Pretty disappointed with the boxing this weekend apart from Eubanks Junior. I think he's a quality fighter.

Flintoff won but let's face it there were times where his oponent dodged a lot of the punches being thrown, and Freddie was leaving himself pretty exposed. The Tyson Fury fight was dismal. I think the fact that they are both mates (or at least got on well accoriding to the pre fight build up) might have had something to do with it.

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Remember Pacman fights in about 45 minutes.

I'm still undecided but I'm gonna go for an explosive Manny KO.

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Indeed my money's definitely on the Pacman.

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Simply sensational, fight of the year, both guys went for it.

What's gone wrong? Manny, Khan etc. Has Freddie Roach dropped the ball somewhere as his fighters have just gone down the drain.

Mayweather to take out Marquez again? Fight number 5?

That cold feeling when Pacman was face down and not moving was horrible.

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Yes thats it l think for the Pacman now but it certainly was a great fight.:tu:

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Yep, Manny has to call time now, focus on this political thing and move on, the way his wife rushed to the ring in tears should be enough to put an end to it. Emotional scenes on a remarkable career. He's talking about going back, training and then fighting again. He has nothing to fight for now.

Freddie Roach on the other hand is in a world of trouble, his camp is quickly disappearing before his feet. Everyone's been quick to point finger's at Khan but it's now becoming clear that Roach may have more to do with the decline of two world champions than previously thought.

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I forgot about this one :mad:

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Greatest fight this year.

Ending was one of the coldest moments in boxing though.

Being looking into what David Haye's doing, to me he's getting bigger and bigger as if he's ready to take on Vitali.

Price and Fury fight's being talked about too much, fight won't happen and if it somehow did it won't be brilliant by a long margin. Again a very poor HW division.


Khan vs Molina up next.

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I just caught the full replay. wow!

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Chris John eyes Juan Manuel Márquez showdown after Pacquiao knockout.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/dec/10/boxing

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Manny Pacquiao will not give up boxing, despite pleas from family

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/20666106

Why can't boxers know when their time is up.

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Amir Khan admits Carlos Molina fight is a 'make or break' bout.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/20675264

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Very true it is but the media is just talking plain bollocks. To suggest his career was over last time was pure nonsense.

Manny Pacquiao has been knocked out three times and is one of the best P4P boxers on the planet and still a huge draw as he will continue to be.

I've went out on a limb here, Roach is the problem it seems, His camp/fighters have fallen apart under him this past year. Khan has made an excellent choice in Virgil, if Virgil can get his defence sorted and have Khan fighting a similar fight to Andre Ward then you have one hell of a boxer. The speed and reflexes with an improved defence will see him clear the ring of just about anyone.

Danny Garcia knockout wasn't a chin issue to be honest, Garcia evidently packs a punch that would put must down if it hits them the same way Khan took it. Garcia only has that punch, he can be got at easily as Khan showed and someone is going to put this guy down. Erik Morales was way past it, Manny knocked him out twice in a row. Garcia is taking on Zab Judah next, what Judah's done to deserve a title shot is anyone's guess, I don't see how beating nobodies (The guy he beat was also a pothead) get's him a title shot. That being said, Khan should be in line should he beat Molina, more like when he beats Molina

Media & Khan have been very clever in attempting to make people think Molina actually has a chance, whilst anything can happen they've hidden the fact that Molina has done nothing major in his career, he's fought 17 bums, has minimal punching power and is handpicked. The fight is a straight copy of the Salita fight he took in Newcastle. Molina has never went 12 rounds and is used to 4-8.

Winner - Khan (TKO, probably with the first punch) Media hypes it up but the bookies know just as I do that this is going to be a one sided demolition, Khan is at 1/16 for the win.

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On second though of the above, Their is a chance Khan may keep Molina in the ring just to show he can stick to a game plan. Comes off recent news he'll stop going for early knockouts.

Whilst I'd love a one punch fight stopper I guess I have to agree with Virgil's way of training him. If Khan knocks him out with the first punch of the night, what's he learnt or gained?

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ye bet365 odds for a Khan win tonight is 1/9. any tips on the other fights tonight