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Here this is taken from the small print?

http://shop.virginmedia.com/bundles.html

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That sounds good to me,i nearly went to sky earlier this year for tv over the sky sports red button issue but it did arrive in full on vm which made the difference to me.

Also i would have stayed with vm for Broadband anyway as ADSL in my area is 1mb max! not even enough to stream you tube properly.:shocked:

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Well everybody has freedom of choice but you might find that the grass is not always greener on the other side.

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l don't think so in that Virgin choice of linear channels apart from Sky Atlantic is as good as Skys.

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Very true Den, As apart from the ones we have not got and Sky have. They are the same;)

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What is so special about Sky Atlantic????

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They have some excellent exclusive content on there.

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Like what?

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Just to name a few

Boardwalk Empire

The Soprano's

Game of Thrones

Blue Bloods

Treme

And many more

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The advert's:D:D:D:D

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Stuart Murphy, the director of programmes for Sky Atlantic, said one week before channel launch that it would be an "incredible channel: seminal, world-class, epic TV all in one place".

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Have you been in one of them.:D:D

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I cannot see that happening VM are adding more VOD all the time, even their own statements say that VOD useage is increasing year on year.

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Yes a pretty decent list , not everyone's cup of tea but a few award winners.

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Yup - I wish I had Sky Atlantic for some of those shows, but not enough to give up my good deal, my TiVo, and my consistent 30Mb/3Mb broadband.

ymmv.

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Can anyone find a completely independent review or overview of SKY Atlantic anywhere on the internet that paints it as a success, a genuine must have or a proven good investment from SKY so far? I can find plenty of good reviews about Game of Thrones, and it's viewing figures, but nothing for the actual channel itself.

The channel has been up and running now for 9 months, so has had plenty of time to settle in.

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And why would punters be concerned about the investment , its Skys money and they spend it how they see fit , the investors will air their concerns if they feel its not doing well. I'm sure Sky Ones daily reach wasn't what it is now 9 months in.

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I'm not trying to say punters are or should be concerned about the investment made by SKY. I'm not saying SKY should come out and state whether they think the channel or their investment in the channel is sound. I'm not even suggesting the channel won't be a long term success but current figures from BARB confirm less people are watching the channel now, compared to when it launched.

I'm just looking for something on the internet that is really positive, independent from SKY and shows the channel in a good light. Something from a non SKY source which champions the channel, not just an individual show, and builds it up as a must have. Ultimately this is what SKY themselves surely must want too.

The only truly positive stuff I've read about the channel is from SKY themselves.

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But why do you need to read a glowing review of it ? It's like many other channels it either interests you or it doesn't , most pay tv channels have repeats and old shows during the day with key shows shown primetime. Game of thrones , Boardwalk Empire , Treme , Entourage etc are all great shows in their own way and award winning however some viewers will love them some won't , that's the beauty of choice. I personally only watch a few shows on Atlantic and the channel wouldn't be a gamechanger between VM and Sky for me. I suspect Sky themselves will be looking at the figures you quote and seeing how best to increase them but that's something they need worry about not us punters :)

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I just want to see if one actually exists.

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Like all channels reviews just exist for the content

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Sky+Atlantic+review

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Thanks for trying

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Well I don't watch any of them...well we have The Soprano's om DVD. But with all the channels there is always something to watch without worrying about one channel.

Don't you remember when Sky took Sky 1 off VM? Well actually they put the price up too much. Well there was an outcry, but at the end of the day it was one channel, and most people who complained were only worried about the Simpsons.

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Hmm, and you believe hype do you?

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Any independent review will depend on the tastes of the reviewer. It's up to individuals to look at the program line up, decide if they really want the channel, and then if they aren't with Sky, then weigh up the extra cost in changing.

Personally I have had Sky Atlantic since it's launch, but never watched it.

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Some people let TV rule their lives far too much!!!!

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[QUOTE=Tim Deegan;35324344]Vewing figures don't matter to the viewer at all. Unless you are talking about the viewing figures in the account holders house.

What you have to remember is that VM have to buy most of their channels from Sky. So it wouldn't be financially viable for VM to include channels with very low viewing figures. At the same time why should anyone pay Sky's high prices for loads of channels that they would never watch?

There may be some people who spend a great deal of time watching TV, and like to have the choice to watch 100's of channels. But personally I don't spend all my time in front of the TV, and I'm more bothered about quality than quantity.[COLOR="Silver"]

I too am more interested in quality over quantity, which is why I want a channel that shows several emmy award winning dramas and not dross channels like Good Food HD.

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Strange - I thought Good Food HD was on channel 249 on Sky?

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You're kidding, right?

It's a while back now, but if I recall correctly, VM viewers also lost great shows such as 24 and Prison Break.

I think I can see why Sky Atlantic doesn't interest you.

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if virgin has more tv channels, then virgin would be better than sky because, virgin has great vod and broadband

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Exactly.

Any 'overall' review of Sky Atlantic, will depend on the reviewers show preferences.

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All round Virgin have the better packages which remember include ESPN in the XL package plus better broadband and VOD and a far superior STB.

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There is no need to be insulting.

I hardly ever watch Sky 1, and I never watched 24 or prison break. I may have done if I didn't have a life, and spent all my time in front of the TV.

The channels I probably watch most are the discovery and national geographic channels.

My comment about the Simpsons was actually true. It was what most people complained about losing.

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l never complained about losing the Simpsons as a matter of fact the channel that l missed the most was Sky Sports News.

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Spot on.

VM users should also lobby for Sky Atlantic though, because VM with Tivo and great broadband, make moving to Sky, for one channel, a non option for most VM people

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It wasn't meant as an insult; it was an observation. And from your post, an accurate one.

People could say to me that they can see why I'm not bothered if we don't get sports channels. It would be true, because I don't watch them, so tht wouldn't 'insult' me.

However, I think the more channels VM get, the better, so I welcome sports and any other channel VM gets, even though I may not watch it.

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Thats very true but i stream Nurse Jackie which i got into whilst it was on the BBC,and sky suddenly bought it so all hope is not lost.:D;)

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The only sports channels that I am bothered about are Motors, and from next year Sky Sports for the F1, but that's only going to cost me £7.

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Why only £7?

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Edit - is this because you already have the Sports channels and are going to upgrade to HD when they get F1?

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It's because I will already have the movies, and it only costs an extra £7 to add the sports package. Which I will do when the next F1 season starts.

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I have to agree with Alan Fry, and l have said this all along.
If VM added extra channels then hey would be better than Sky, VM need the guts tio take on Sky in there own back yard, and may get extra customers, VM has a lot going for it, BUT its the channels that let it down.

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l think you find all round Virgin are better then Sky Arthur.

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:clap::clap::clap:

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OK cheers. I must admit that I'm starting to look at sky sports because of F1, but I'm not sure I can justify the extra when bbc are going to show a full replay three hours after the sky races. Will continue to have a think.

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So far there are channels around that are NOT on VM, MGM, Atlantic, Premier Sports etc that customers do want.

But VM won't get them, could be that they are in 'talks' Customer want these channels, but VM won't get them.

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It is £10 to add Sky Sports.
http://shop.virginmedia.com/existing...-channels.html


http://shop.virginmedia.com/existing...-channels.html
Should that not be £26.50 ?

Ben the 2nd page has a mistake

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Exclude Sky Atlantic because Sky are asking a high price and is free to all Sky TV customers until April 2012.
MGM HD is a joint partnership with BSkyB but i think will come next year even those it has low viewing figures.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MGM_HD
and MGM HD only has 42,000 viewers in 1 day
http://www.barb.co.uk/report/weekly-viewing?_s=4

There is issues with Premier Sports from there Setanta days.

Re: Sky or VM for TV???
 

That is up to the individual to decide and it's based on individual priorities.

My priority is quality television, which, sadly, doesn't seem to be Virgin Media's.

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Sky Atlantic free to all sky tv customers until April 2012 ?
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...15&postcount=1
Virgin Media will have a better chance of getting if it to goes into Sky's Entertainment Extra pack or becomes a premium channel on Sky.

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l have to disagree with you on that one as Virgin's tv combined with their video on demand service and their Tivo box runs rings round Sky's packages.

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And the joy of personal preferences is that one man's meat is another man's murder, and either is unlikely to convince the other.......

(no matter how many times they try).

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Even with their Tivo, On Demand and TV packages if they don't show the programmes you want to see and Sky's output does then there can be no comparison.

There is no first run programme I couldn't see as a Sky customer which I could as a virgin media customer - the reverse is not the case.

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But some people aren't bothered about those - you may be, but one size does not fit all.

You have your preferences, and Sky is right for you - others have other preferences, and VM is right for them.

Jeez, it's only TV programmes, after all.

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Well as Hugh put so eloquently what one person likes the other person next to him might not like at all.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that had now changed, and they were only going to show the highlights.

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Well if you think about it from a business point of view. Sky can't compete on phone and BB with VM. And their box doesn't come close to the Tivo. So they have to keep some channels back in order to stop all of their customers going to VM.

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Exactly.

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Not for me with the package I have. I spend a lot of money with them.

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But if one party shows that which both like and one only what one likes, then surely the one showing what both like is the better of the two?

Only TV programmes!?!?!?! Hang your head, sir!!!

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Nope. You're still holding on to the idea that one entertainment service can be empirically 'better' than another.

Entertainment is received by people with different tastes in different ways. One thing works for one, one thing works for another.

It doesn't how many ways you try, you simply can't define your own set of criteria as the absolute standard by which 'better' is judged. It works for you; great. That's all you need. Go and enjoy it.

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The Advertising Standards Authority upholds Virgins claim that they offer a better "better TV experience" than SKY.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...ed?INTCMP=SRCH

So if you want to watch TV without the threat of the picture freezing, or breaking up, you need to join Virgin. :D It's no good having hundreds of channels if people have trouble watching them in the Winter :D

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*expletive deleted*

Cheers - guess I'll have to cough up then :(

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This ^

I lost many more recordings as a Sky customer through poor weather than I ever have as a TiVo customer due to poor EPG data, and the only time I ever found out about it was when I sat down to watch it and it was too late to watch the repeat. Not only does TiVo have a list of when its not going to manage to record something, it actively finds the reruns so I don't have to. By the time I find out about a failure on TiVo its already put it right. That IS a vastly better Tv experience than Sky.

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But do you really think it would be worth me paying an extra £50 per month for a couple of channels, even if I did really like the programs?

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Basically if you lose signal at the slightest shower your dish has been installed incorrectly , since going back to Sky we've had one brief loss of picture which lasted under a minute during a thunderstorm. Try watching OD with VM when the networks down something we had numerous times here. How does TIVO function with no network ? It's a genuine question I don't know the answer.

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what if virgin media got more hd channels, sky atlantic, box nation, premier sports, cbs channels, csc music channels and al jezzrera, if it does that is...

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We will get more HD channels. When is another matter.
The CSC music channels and MTV classic are not essential because Virgin Media offer music on demand included in the XL pack which has access to thousands and thousands of the latest and greatest music videos, concerts and karaoke there is also plenty HD videos.
Boxnation is launching on Virgin Media in a few weeks.
http://www.boxnation.tv/faqs.php

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what about the cbs channels, ajezzra and permier sports and mtv classics

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AL Jazeera is not essential and There is issues with Premier Sports from there Setanta days. I would like CBS Action and CBS Drama.
Virgin Media could get CBS Action HD, CBS Drama HD at the same time as CBS Drama, CBS Action.

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al jeera is important as virgin is lacling the news department and it does good coverage of the arab spring and occopy protests

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Why keep mentioning channels ? VM will review their channel range on a constant basis and look for the best price to acquire them. VM , Sky and BT Vision all have unique selling points , you basically want them all to be the same. In my eyes VM are concentrating on TIVO , OD and their BB packages as unique selling points , Sky concentrate on linear channels and content with an emphasis on HD/3D and BT Vision currently sells itself as a Freeview PVR with catchup and OD functions. I personally think looking ahead are exciting times for customers of all companies as they all seem to be pushing innovation to the max , VM will keep strengthening their BB network and adding functions and services to TIVO pushing Sky to try and better their offering. If the CC can grow some add Netflix and Lovefilm to the connected streaming market and competition will hot up even more.

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because that is the only issue with virgin media (its tv channel list)

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this forum is about if sky or virgin tv, virgin is better than sky in terms of vod and bbroadband

sky is better than virgin in terms of tv channels (especially hd and 3d channels)

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Don't you mean 3D channel which i don't like :td:

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Alan have you ever thought that maybe VM could add Al Jazeera to TIVO in the apps section , its available already on quite a few connected services.

http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_n...255537258.html

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well i hope they do, but it would be better if they added al jazeera as a tv channel, it is already on freeview, freesat, bi vision, top up tv and sky

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Why ?

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They still aren't worth paying an extra £50 for.

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Make that they aren't worth paying an extra £5 for :D

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spot on Den :clap::clap::clap::clap:

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Guys....

Really - things are just being repeated ad nausem (and I mean that literally).

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What's "bi vision" ? :erm:

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LOL :D:D:D

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sorry i meant bt vision

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Why? Are you bi curious:p:

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because it prfer it being a tv channel, not a app, why should i chose a app, when i could be a tv channel

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So can you not get Sky tv?

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then i will have slow broadband and no bbc iplayer 40d etc

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Isn't it obvious that the most popular channels are proper TV channels, and the others are apps? I don't see a problem with this.

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:clap::clap:

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al jezzera watched by hundreads of millions of people

it is avalible on freeview, freesat, bt vision and sky as a TV CHANNEL!!!

why not on virgin media as well

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l am sure that once the right deal can be struck that it will not be long before you see it on Virgin.

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Probably because most of the people who watch it aren't in the UK.

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its no worse than most of the channel on virgin media

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According to Barb, during this same period last month, Aljazeeras daily reach was 162,000. For a channel that's on Freeview, Freesat, BT Vision and SKY the vieiwing figures are shocking. It could actually have the worst vieiwing figures in the UK based on it's potential audience.

I think if it comes to Virgin you might be the only person who watches it.

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because thery don't advertise and they are one of the msot famouse channels in the world, and other thing how many watch bloomberg

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It is if you have no interest in it's content. I'm sure it is very good if you are interested in it's content, but for most viewers in the UK, it's not a must mave channel.

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But not in the UK, where VM is based.

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100% agree with Chad and Tim.

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Al Jazeera daily reach is 158,000.
http://www.barb.co.uk/report/weekly-viewing?_s=4
For a channel that's on Freeview, Freesat, BT Vision and SKY the viewing figures are very very bad.

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it does great coverage of the arab spring and occupy

plus it has a alternative viewpoint compaired most media

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that becuase its got a bad epg number

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how many watch bloomberg

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Virgin Media are concentration on getting more HD channels not some crap SD channel news channel.

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Sorry???????????

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The only reason that it has a different view point to other media is that it is broadcast from there, Where it was all happening :rolleyes: We in the west prefer our Media And I can see it been vice versa?

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Alan, why don't you just compromise or if your that outraged with the 'missing' channels go to Sky for your TV and VM for your BB.

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A lot the channels he is asking for are crap.

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It costs a fortune that way, which is actually how this thread started.

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Alan just watch it here

http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/

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He will probably say i would rather have the channel instead.
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35325644-post178.html

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I'm only a forum newbie but I have to say I am bemused as to why Alan is with (or thinking of moving to) Virgin media as they clearly don't offer the services he wants?!

:confused:

It's all seems a bit like me buying a 2 seater sports car (I wish!), and then complaining to the seller that I can't fit the kids seats in the back.

Bizarre. :shrug: