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Received R30 download Friday night/Saturday morning. I changed the settings on the SH to modem mode, so that I could continue to use my Apple Extreme base station.
Then the problems started, I could not connect to the internet no matter how I tried. In desparation I phoned a friend who had been on the R29/R30 beta test program for some time. Fortunatley he also had had the same problem when he changed the SH settings and knew how to overcome the problem |
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I've got an Express that I just use for my music atm, but the SH is getting on my nerves! |
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Me too. I've had the Airport Express since I got 50 meg last year. Best router ever and I'm in the business. One green light on the front is all you need!
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Why another week of testing? Its stable, just release it already
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Wow this superhub is still broken. Thought id check in see how things had been going with the hubs, surprise nothing changes. VM will not get a penny more of my cash for an upgrade till its fixed and tested.
Even then i still dont like handing control of my internet experience over to them, rebooting it all the time for services that i dont need, patches that should have been sorted from start if the right hardware was purchased. It really hacks me off that im forced to have hardware that i cannot trust or control. And they wonder why people are disillusioned with their bb and leave. damn this forum why wont the text format- it keeps lumping everything into one paragraph, wtg wall of textmaker. |
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I agree with your comments on being forced to re-boot when certain things are changed. I changed wifi card in my main PC and it took several goes before I could get the correct IP address on it. It insisted it was a static IP adress which I dont think the old card had been. The inability to setup dynDNS stuff I am in two minds as when I had it on my Linksys router I was chucked off as the router was communicating to much with them so now I run the updater/checker on the PC. I think VM need to act more responsibly in the future as you are tied to their equipment to connect to the network unlike ADSL where you can use anything. |
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An update from Mark Wilkins.
Just a brief update with some positive news, from what we can see from your feedback and our own testing R30 is looking very positive with no show stopping bugs. So we're currently planning to release the R30 firmware generally next week, we'll make the final decision on Monday the 12th and announce it here. I'm running the hub on r30 on 5ghz and have no problems at all and to be honest I have no complaints at all now about the hub. For the general internet and networking user it's spot on. Regards. |
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So another week. To be fair my hub has had months of use with no problems then for the second time, about a week ago it started faffing around.
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The cheap hardware that is the SH was boosted by R30 where it upped its game, I was impressed with its performance but it seems to have gone back to old ways. Not in the sense of all the bugs, reboots etc. although I did have a mess up last night which I'll blame the network for.
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The memory leak bugfix in R30 will no doubt get rid of many if not all of the complaints of it hanging and rebooting but I can't see how a firmware change is going to fix the poor radio performance and VM have done nothing about the scores of minor niggles such as ridiculously short timeouts, lack of features, reboots for every minor change etc. etc.
What you will get though is an oversized modem and the need to provide your own router if you want anything above bare basics. |
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Well that sucks. This is what everyones moaning about, why not just release this R30 firmware which is stable and is getting nothing but praises in regards to fixing the major issues then, I mean right after its released get to work on improving R30 firmware! No wait, their going to take a little time off from it because its being a long hard fight :mad:
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All I want is modem mode. I have a nice asus router waiting for me to put tomato on it.
I just need to know if the hub in modem mode is stable in my location and with my configuration before I change everything over. Ugh!! I hate networking with a vengence. It never goes according to plan for me. So the less unknowns the better. |
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In VM's defence, regarding features.
on the BETA forum, they do have a list of requests for new features to be added that they plan on looking at. But their priority is sorting out the stability of the superhub, no point in adding tonnes of new features if the existing ones dont work. The hope is, now R30 is prooving to be more stable they will start looking at the feature additions. Regarding Modem Mode... expect it next week as R30 is being rolled out to everyone. |
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They have made some claims about being good for gaming, but those are pretty laughable. The offcom report that they constantly trumped about showing them having the highest average speed pretty much pans them for ping, jitter and packetloss. And if you compare the broadband reports quality monitor to people on other networks it shows the claims to be miles off at best. Hopefully, once Infinity is bedded in and more widely available, BT will begin to target VM's spotty performance in marketing. That might make VM bother to do something rather than just continually piling more money into ever faster speeds. |
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Modem mode was requested [i]before[i] the Superhub was even released... Go figure.
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Yeah, it was pretty much the single most common thing the beta users asked for. And of course they were ignored. VM's idea of a trial is to ship what they feel like, ignore feedback and then go-live with it claiming they have tested it with their users.
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anyone tested the services on the R30 SH? firewall, ip flood and proxy is working well for me.
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Anyone finding an improvement with ping/ jitter or just general speed?
Reason I ask is because my old vmng300 use to be 100% rock solid. Pings wouldn't go above 30ms, Jitter would be less than 10ms and it would always manage 51mb day or night. Was simply a brilliant bb connection. Since upgrading to 100mb it's just been downhill. Pings up in the 80ms- 120ms. UK game servers are all 200-300ms which results in me being kicked. Jitter at 20ms+ with Packet loss Poor download/ upload speeds, especially during the evening. Max is about 40mb download and 6mb upload. Everything with my connection seems fine so can only put this down to the superhub. |
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There are plenty of peops in the VM forum who say their 100 meg is OK with the SH. Itonly needs one or two to say it's OK for the SH (an admittedly wretched device hitherto) not to be a culprit. You're syncing now at 100 meg rather than 50 meg and the event log would show whether or not that is straining your local circuit. Without seeing your stats and event log, it's difficult to advise specifically. And first thing in the morning, is it better than 40 meg? What's the upload like? |
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anyone if the second contractor has started supplying VM with SHs yet?
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what about build quality? obviously not expecting the full works but with the PSU issue and range dropping even running R30 is the second better in any way?
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Im using a superhub, and my ping and jitter is fine,
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Downstream Channels Lock Status Modulation Channel ID Max Raw Bit Rate Frequency Power SNR Docsis/EuroDocsis locked Locked QAM256 94 55616000 Kbits/sec 323000000 Hz -0.5 dBmV 39.3 dB Hybrid Locked QAM256 91 55616000 Kbits/sec 299000000 Hz 1.0 dBmV 39.8 dB Hybrid Locked QAM256 92 55616000 Kbits/sec 307000000 Hz -0.4 dBmV 39.5 dB Hybrid Locked QAM256 93 55616000 Kbits/sec 315000000 Hz -0.3 dBmV 39.1 dB Hybrid Quote:
has 150 customers on it so it's not over utilized. An engineer was out last week and he did a few things which seem to have improved my connection. But as you can see I'm still getting a lot of disconnects/ errors/ reboots. I would get up to 80mb download and 7mb upload before 4pm, after that it drops to as low as 10mb download and 3mb upload at times. It will normally settle at around 40mb though. Is this the VM traffic management in force? Never use to notice it in the past. Thanks Critical (3) DHCP FAILED - Requested Info not supported.;CM-MAC=**:**:**:**:**:ac;CMTS-MAC=**:**:**:**:**:**;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.0; Critical (3) No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out;CM-MAC=**:**:**:**:**:ac;CMTS-MAC=**:**:**:**:**:**;CM-QOS=1.0;CM-VER=3.0; Notice (6) CMTS DCC 323000000 MHz Received Response to Broadcast Maintenance Request, But no Unicast Maintenance opportunities received - T4 time out;CM-MAC=**:**:**:**:**:ac;CMTS-MAC=**:**:**:**:**:**;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.0; Critical (3) DCC aborted unable to communicate on new upstream channel;CM-MAC=**:**:**:**:**:ac;CMTS-MAC=**:**:**:**:**:**;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.0; Critical (3) Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - T3 time-out;CM-MAC=**:**:**:**:**:ac;CMTS-MAC=**:**:**:**:**:**;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.0; |
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Modems always sync at the same rate on DOCSIS 3. The tier of service is purely a rate limit, on a bog standard set up all DOCSIS 3 modems regardless of tier will sync at 204Mb/s down and will sync upstream at 20.48Mbit/s. No extra strain from 100Mb/10Mb however quite possible that along with OP some others have taken up the offer of 100Mb and are merrily caning it. ---------- Post added at 22:10 ---------- Previous post was at 22:07 ---------- Quote:
Did they actually check the load on the port or just the number of modems I wonder. Could you paste your upstream signal information as well? Might be more informative, the downstream is fine but the error messages aren't great and the performance does indicate congestion. |
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I would buy a Netgear over a Huawei any day. Even if they are the same design with the same firmware, it's the build quality that would count the Huawei out for me every time. In my experience, Netgear is fine. Granted, they do tend to have a lot of firmware bugs but Netgear is noteable for releasing update after update until they get it right. They seem to update even old routers for a long time. Of course, it depends if VM are committed to the same strategy for the Superhub because Netgear are not doing the updates alone in this case, but so far VM do seem to be updating the Superhub. VM were not so keen to update their custom Netgear WGR614 they used to provide however, so we can only hope their attitude has improved since then and this is not just a flash in the pan. I would try to get your Superhub in now, to make sure you're not given a Huawei knock-off of the Netgear design. Huawei have a very poor record on the router front. |
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It definitely wasn't the load that he checked. I remember him saying I shared the connection with another 165 modems. Upstream Channels Lock Status Modulation Channel ID Max Raw Bit Rate Frequency Power Locked ATDMA 1 20480 Kbits/sec 45800000 Hz 46.2 dBmV By the sounds of what your saying, is this something I will have to get use to now? Have VM started to over subscribe my uBR? :( I had really been pinning my hopes on this simply being a super hub problem and R30 would sort it all. Thanks again for the help. :) |
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Yup ordered a replacement SHub a few days ago because of the faulty PSU unit. was going to wait until Monday, firmware release date but was bullied into thinking the PSU would blow up :cry: It was suppose to be delivered yesterday (friday) but ended up back at the depot :fit: |
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any release from Virgin yet as to when R30 is being rolled out?
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Mine has just been updated from r26 to r30 thank god. Have been having reboots most days:mad: Lets hope this fixes the problems as not happy with the service of the Super Hub.
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Changing # of 5Ghz channels to 4? I do hope they mean spatial streams and not channels as 5Ghz is supposed to have MORE channels than 2.4Ghz, not less! This is supposed to be an improvement, not a crippling of 5Ghz mode.
Assuming they mean spatial streams, this is great news. Previously we had 2 spatial streams limiting us to 300meg. 4 streams should lift this up to 600meg. Really providing the best wireless connection possible as originally advertised. Can anyone confirm this is true? Also, does the Netgear wireless adapter dongle supplied with the Superhub actually support 4 spatial streams and therefore 600meg functionality? |
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At last......hope it works. :)
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Just had a reboot on the new r30 now only 1 channel not bonded. Really did think this would sort the problems out:rolleyes: just checked back up oh well, will keep an eye on it just to let it settle whether that will help.
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There's no possible way for the Superhub to support 600mbps via a firmware update - the wireless card in it only has 2 outputs. VM could potentially release a new version of the SH with faster wireless but I doubt they will. 4 channels is actually fairly realistic on 5Ghz - there's only really a few channels on 5Ghz you can use without DFS and considering how bad VM got everything else wireless on the SH wrong I wouldn't be surprised if they had to switch off the extra channels for legal reasons. Or maybe they're trying to cut down on the number of standards they're violating in order to maybe one day achieve wifi certification for the thing... Like that'll ever happen:rolleyes: In any case 2.4Ghz only has 3 truly non-overlapping channels (4 at a stretch). Oh, and lets not forget, almost everything Mark Wilkin said about 5Ghz in the Superhub FAQ is wrong. |
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the 4 channels on 5GHz are 36, 40, 44 & 48.
I just swapped SuperHubs and R30 updated :D thank you VM. |
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I take it the R30 firmware there pushing out today is identical to the one they pushed out to beta testers?
Also, anyone having any issues on R30 with port forwarding/uPnP? Modern Warfare 2 keeps saying my NAT is strict, which previously worked fine, on R26/R27Test Firmware - don't tell me they've broken something else! |
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Just power cycled my shub and after a couple of spontaneous reboots I am now on R30.
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Cripes! Only 4 5Ghz channels in this improved firmware? How many did we have before, 3? 2? What's the point of 5Ghz then? It only has space for 2 SH's at 300meg in one block of flats! Looks like I'll be a better neighbour running at 300meg on 2.4Ghz as it has more room in VM world.
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come home, modem crashed as normal rebooted now on R30
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5GHz had loads of channels on R26 Andy. I couldn't test 5GHz properly because my 5GHz network was the only one within my area so I couldn't tell whether it conflicted. it seems they have narrowed it down so it works but having said that a new firmware is needed even more so now. this break their going to have now R30 is released.. how long will it last because improvements still need to be made. I suggest they get straight on to it as a lot of bugs will be found and need correcting. Its not only the channel options but many other additional features which VM are looking to add.. well thats what we're told anyway.
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Time to dump 5Ghz as a knackered option it seems. We appear to be operating on US/German restrictions here. I only wish my Broadcom card in my netbook could use 2.4Ghz channel 12 & 13 but that driver's also been crippled just in case someone tries to use it in the US. Time UK started to make our own kit. |
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Indeed. The 5Ghz channel bug needs immediate attention as all the spectrum is getting very crowded and if we only have 2.4Ghz and a fraction of 5Ghz available we'll be causing grief to our neighbours with ease. Is the new advertising campaign going to show the happy VM house from the last ad with the neighbour hammering in the door demanding they keep the digital noise down or else?
VM, we need this fixed a sight faster than you took over the last fix or cabled areas will be full of black eyes. |
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what do I do in order to get R30 on my SH?
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My laptop has an intel 5100 AGN adapter.
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Who has a 5Ghz setup? Well, how about every VM customer with a 50meg or higher connection? Since VM give you a 5Ghz dongle with the Superhub every one of us has the kit for it. It takes no more 'brains' to set up than 2.4Ghz really. For users in flats, where you want less range and more neighbourly consideration, it is the only way to fly... or was. |
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I'm still having problems, I lose wireless connection when I change back to 300
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Help, My SH has now got the R30 software, and i have selected the Modem Mode and ticked the boxed.
However my Netgear WGR614 is not working for the wireless part?
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We've now gone from 18 channels down to just 4. That means VM have just stolen 78% of my 5Ghz channels by remote control. Why? Is this a punishment beating for wanting to be able to transfer data to my new NAS without locking up my Superhub? It seems to me we have two options to resolve this. Either we take aggressive action against this bullying or we all apologise to VM for pressing them to fix the wireless crashes and beg them to un-nerf our routers, promising never to do it again. There's no point simply moaning on the forums as VM may decide to take 5Ghz away completely if we do that. Option one requires some impressive community will power and cohesion though. I am willing to arrange some direct action if there is enough support in my area (I am experienced at this). Please PM me if you are willing to get together one Saturday and peacefully occupy the Southampton Centre VM shop with banners and the like. I shall provide full legal and best practice details to all if there are enough of the willing. Ideally we would need to get similar protests happening in other branches, though it need not be on the same day. A rolling protest would be just as good if not better. If not enough people will go with this then I shall put together an apology letter and ask for as many to sign up as possible. We need to change their minds one way or another, it's fight or flight time folks. |
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what I have done it switch my router off, plug out then switched it back on again, the router then rebooted and I'm on R30.
However previously under R26 my router defaulted back to factory settings and I couldn't get a wireless connection on my wifes laptop. I switched from 300 to 145 and I managed to get access via wireless. I have attempted to switch it back to 300, the channel as number 1 and 2nd 5 and I'm still getting the same issue as I did under R26 - no wireless connection |
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Modem Mode When active, Modem Mode disables the wireless and routing functions of your Super Hub so you can use your own wireless router. Active Ports & Connections When in Modem Mode, only one Ethernet port will be active on your Super Hub. You can connect a PC/laptop/console etc directly to your Super Hub via this active port. The image below highlights the port that should be used to connect your external equipment. [img]Download Failed (1)[/img] Disable Modem Mode You can disable Modem Mode from the Main Menu which is accessed by typing 192.168.100.1 in your internet browser. Alternatively you can restore your Super Hub back to its original settings by using the reset button on the side of your Super Hub. |
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I've had 2 reboots on R30 in under an hour now.
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Of course there's still problems. What did you expect, modem mode fixes the world for you? ;)
It's there so they can pass the problems onto someone else. |
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Was hoping I'd have a good day tomorrow, everyone getting top wifi speeds!
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My laptop is an Acer and I am using the latest driver recommended from Acer. I have the latest Intel driver so will install it and see what if any difference there is. There are also some points for me to check mentioned in that thread. |
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Updated to R30 this afternoon, so far there has been no downtime whatsoever, we're happy :drunk:
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Polished my vmng300 still no downtime :(
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Masque, please don't nerf us further because of JB. We all love the Superhub, honest. It couldn't be better if it were gold plated and came with a free pint. It's a real wonder of modern technology and no mistake. Just give JB a dose of STM to quieten him down, don't hit all us Superhub lovers with the nerf bat just because of him, please? :angel: Oh, and ta for the excellent-in-every-way firmware update. It is fully appreciated. -- :D:D:D AndyCalling - The happiest Superhub owner in Britain. Honest injun! :D:D:D |
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Very happy with update , never had a problem with wired connection for my gaming and now wireless seems rock solid as well , even considering not usong modem mode and plugging in my dir655 .... Hmmm , is it worth it beta tester ????
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HELP - i have spent the last 3hrs continuously restarting my superhub... i've even gone as far as restoring it to factory settings a couple of times... i've had it switched off for for up to 10 mins as well to see if that helps... but STILL no R30 :(
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