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Same old England, always cheating
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Well thats the Welsh for you. Only way they could beat us.
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So every time we've beaten Ireland we've cheated? Hell, you're sounding as bitter as an England fan now :D
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And you just know that when you lose, I'll remind you of it each day for a year :)
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Well it's good to see stereotyping is alive and well eh?... ;)
Rugby, like many team sports, is full of cheating and 'rule bending' and ALL nations are involved in one way or another so let's not pretend otherwise. One of the worst examples of cheating I ever saw was the cynical NZ spear tackle by Umaga and Mealamu on Brian O'Driscoll whilst he was playing for the Lions in 2005. At the other end of the spectrum there are myriad examples of players cheating and deliberately trying to deceive officials when they know they've broken they rules in one way or another. When it comes to match outcomes, the actual effect of a minor incident may be just as important as a more serious offence and vice versa. |
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Which just goes to prove how the so called lesser nations can often really raise their game when they're facing the top nations. I dare say the Samoans saw this as their world cup final and put everything ounce of effort into their performance.
All this stuff about playing wide, expansive rugby is fine but, when the chips are down, winning is what matters and the best sides are those who have the ability to nullify their opponents' strengths and preferred tactics. From what I saw Samoa can be proud of their performance and will be disappointed they didn't snatch a win. South Africa will be relieved to have won but will probably be all the better for such a severe test. Winning a World Cup demands being able to resist pressure and grind out results when things aren't going well. They've certainly proved they can do that. |
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tbf, in NZ, Samoa are jokingly known as the NZ second team...
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Samoa have always been a dark horse, strong players who have a lot of heart.. They played their hearts out and the scoreline represented that :clap:
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Australia 68 Russia 22
http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/ma...labies+victory ---------- Post added at 07:50 ---------- Previous post was at 06:17 ---------- Well in the biggest shock of the World cup France have been beaten by Tonga.:shocked::shocked::shocked: Full time score France 14 Tonga 19 |
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Not really a shock, France isn;t a cohesive group anymore and as usual in the world cup the lower teams play their heart out in the last games :) Well done Tonga :clap:
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Well we have had 10 minutes played so far in the England/Scotland match and so far its all Scotland as England are looking oh so predictable and are 3-0 down.
France v Tonga report below http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/ma...bleus+progress |
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Very nervous, Scotland playing ok..no comment on english players, who cares :D
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Well England needed that try.. It's sealed their progression to the knockout stage
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Bugger. :(
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What a boring game, reminds me why i stopped watching union.
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Phew.
Full time score England 16 Scotland 12 http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/ma...kes+stun+scots ---------- Post added at 10:39 ---------- Previous post was at 10:38 ---------- Quote:
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I have never heard such biased commentary in all my life. "England this, England that".
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Another tough game for England. Credit must be given to Scotland for doing what they often do against England, especially in the first half. England deserve credit for some outstanding defence, an improved second half performance from the pack, taking one of the few decent chances they had, keeping their nerve and winning a game they could've lost. Johnson clearly relieved and Robinson clearly gutted with another late in the game defeat.
France now and I can see there being a bit of a backlash to their awful last performance so anything could happen...... :erm: |
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New Zealand 79 Canada 15
http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/ma...h+aside+canada Argentina 25 Georgia 7 http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/ma...rns+kiwi+clash[COLOR="Silver"] ---------- Post added at 08:17 ---------- Previous post was at 07:46 ---------- Wales 66 Fiji 0 http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/ma...ver+sorry+fiji |
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Great try by O'Driscoll, if Italy doesn't respond now then they're going home and Ireland will win the group :D
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Italy 6 Ireland 26 Full time score Italy 6 Ireland 36 http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/ma...nto+last+eight |
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Well done Ireland, 36-6 win over Italy and now face Wales :clap:
---------- Post added at 10:22 ---------- Previous post was at 10:19 ---------- Quarter Finals 08/10 - 06:00 Ireland - Wales Wellington 08/10 - 08:30 England - France Auckland 09/10 - 06:00 South Africa - Australia Wellington 09/10 - 08:30 New Zealand - Argentina Auckland (all times are GMT) |
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Martin Johnson denies England 'kicking contest'
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All the best to both Ireland and Wales as their quarter finals match is just about to begin :clap:
---------- Post added at 06:05 ---------- Previous post was at 06:02 ---------- OH WOW, what a start by Wales.. a try on their first attack |
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And good defence
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Wales 10 Ireland 3 |
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Make that halftime too :D
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Wales 15 Ireland 10 |
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And still a good defence by wales
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Congratulations to Wales
Full time score Wales 22 Ireland 10 http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/ma...each+last+four |
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At least Wales will be in all the news next Saturday.. especially when England beat them :rofl:
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Well here we go for a rollercoaster of emotions.
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I don't doubt it.. I thought that Ireland would get to the semi finals at least..
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Dare I hope? England 0 - 3 France, Vive la france :D
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Looking rather ominous in the last couple of minutes for England.
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Oh dear France 6 England 0
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:D and a try
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One dimensional , indisciplined and a absolute rabble and the chickens have come home to roost Johnson.
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Yup, so far, this isn't a great French side, but a poorer English one
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l will second that.
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Best player for England, the non-english Tuilagi :D
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That says everything.
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Knife, butter, France, England...:D and another try
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Martin Johnson please resign as we are the laughing stock of the world with you in charge of these idiots.
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Seriously, if England manage to fart their way in to somehow winning the game, I hope they play this way next week :D |
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Please bring back Sir Clive but without the 57 old farts.
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Thank gawd I support South Africa is all I can say :blush:
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Well l tipped South Africa for the world cup and now as england are going out its now come on you Springboks.
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You sir are truly, truly English :)
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I support the teams I have a direct association with and only them. I don't swap to teams I don't have a direct association with (and in order of support)..
SA as they were the original team I ever watched as a child as I lived in SA. England as it's my place of birth and Wales due to being an 1/8th Welsh. I hate it when people switch from team to team to team just because their team is either doing bad or they want to try to look good to other forum members. :rolleyes: PS.. great try for England :clap: |
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I'm 1/2 scottish, 1/4 american, 1/4 polish (if you take grandparents). So I'm hoping Poland decide to get into Rugby, otherwise for now I'll cheer Wales, Ireland, and whomever takes my fancy :D
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I'm just peeved off with those that switch allegiance purely because they think that they'll then be supporting the winning side :rolleyes: ---------- Post added at 10:21 ---------- Previous post was at 10:18 ---------- Well that's French time wasting for you :D |
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And England are out of the RUWC
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Well played Wales. I thought the refereeing at the breakdown was atrocious but no excuses Wales were excellent and their defense was epic.
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Haven't seen much of the match yet but from what I've heard and Osem Jnr's match report, England appeared to have run out of 'get out of jail' cards and not learned anything very much from last week's game. By all accounts another very sloppy first half against what they expected (i.e. a highly motivated French side with nothing to lose and a lot to prove) followed by a better second half, a couple of tries and a some good chances missed. The fact that England have tended to play badly in the first 40 mins. then get better says something worrying about the on field leadership IMHO, which is where I believe the major problem must lie. Johnson has clearly managed to motivate his troops and kick arses where needed during the various half times, but the senior players clearly haven't been able to do this on the park. Possibly a narrow loss against Scotland (as with France v Tonga) would've served the team's overall purpose better but England's players can only look to themselves and feel they've come up short for no good reason, missing a golden opportunity to progress in what's the easier side of the draw. They've shown they can defend, create chances and score tries but for some reason that hasn't been enough to translate into success when it really matters. That's probably what'll hurt them the most.
With what should be a tough but safe victory tomorrow, on paper NZ must be favourites to go all the way to the final now. The SA v. Australia quarter final could go either way in what would've made a very creditable climax to the tournament but winning that match may take too much out of the victors for them to be able repeat the heroics in a semi against the All Blacks. For me, the All Blacks will progress to and start the final as massive favourites but that may just be their undoing.... Interesting times ahead for rugby lovers. :) |
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England players back Martin Johnson after World Cup defeat to France
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l feel Johnson was a great leader when he was playing but have never been convinced by him as a coach.
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Why wouldn't they back him? They lost a game and they're out of the World Cup, this has happened during each WC tournament bar one since 1987.
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Well he has about 2 months left on his contract and my hunch is they will not renew it but we shall see.
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Yes England certainly need to rebuild as there are too many players past their best but their are some talented young players out there but also England need to play a more expansive type of rugby as at the moment they are one dimensional.
---------- Post added at 06:34 ---------- Previous post was at 05:42 ---------- Latest score in the rugby after 30 minutes is Australia 8 South Africa 0 The springboks have fought back strongly and now lead Australia 9-8 with 20 minutes to go. ---------- Post added at 07:46 ---------- Previous post was at 06:34 ---------- Congratulations Australia on reaching the semi final and a clash with the All Blacks Final score South Africa 9 Australia 11 http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/ma...+pressure+lead |
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If SA had to go out I'm glad it was to a team like AUS.. Great game, some amazing defence from two very big teams :D
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33 minutes gone in the other quarter final and Argentina are leading 7-6 against the All Blacks.
---------- Post added at 09:19 ---------- Previous post was at 09:09 ---------- Half time New Zealand 12 Argentina 7 ---------- Post added at 10:18 ---------- Previous post was at 09:19 ---------- Full time score New Zealand 33 Argentina 10 http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/ma...as+reach+semis |
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From what I've heard of the game it seems that the Wallabies out-defended the Springboks in a very tough game. It's always nice to see tries and expansive rugby but tough, close games like these are no less entertaining to real rugby fans and are often decided in favour of the teams who slow down the ball and nullify the opposition's attack. It seems that's where SA suffered today but once again there were some odd refereeing decisions - one of which apparently saw a charged down kick given as a knock on in favour of Australia. :confused: Even David Campese felt it was a very poor decision at a key point in the match.
Of course there will always be tough decisions which can't even be sorted out using TV replays but IMHO there are too many bad decisions and instances of inconsistent refereeing cropping up about which more needs to be done. With all the technology available today, there's no excuse for some of them and God forbid that a world cup is decided by a really controversial refereeing decision. Perhaps something along the lines of the 'challenge' system in cricket could go some way to sorting this out and focus the minds of some of the officials a little. As it is there doesn't seem to be much done about decisions made which really stink. I think South Africa will feel they lost a game they should and could have won with almost all the second half territory and yet nothing to show for it. Argentina have clearly come on a long way and made NZ work hard for a result that flatters them a bit I think. NZ looked pretty average for quite long periods but in the end fitness, professionalism and skill took their toll. Given their limited exposure to top class international rugby, watch out for Argentina next time around when they've had the chance to develop as part of the new southern hemipshere 4 Nations competition. All in all I reckon NZ have come out of this round better placed that Australia who apparently have lots of injuries to contend with and must be feeling the huge battle they've just been through. However, Argentina showed the the All Blacks' back line can be tamed so there's hope for the Wallabies next week. If the All Blacks win next week they'll win the competition I believe but if they're knocked out I think Australia will lose in the final simply because they've given too much in getting there. Who joins them in the final will be determined by which French team turns up next week. Maybe the French have had their final... ---------- Post added at 11:31 ---------- Previous post was at 11:06 ---------- Quote:
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Who would you make captain as l have always liked Sheridan but of course he went home injured..
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That's a very hard call and I'm glad I don't have to make that decision. ;) I do believe the captaincy should go to one of the 'younger' players, however. There's no point picking a captain who clearly won't be around for the next RWC and England have nothing to lose and plenty to gain by being bold now and taking advantage of some of the newer blood. Although he's yet to prove himself internationally I reckon Owen Farrell (Saracens) could be one to watch and a future captain.
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Yes you could well be right and the clear thing English Rugby Union has to do is have a clear plan and prepare for the World Cup in 2015 on home soil.
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Well the England U20's have been doing rather well of late (IRB JWC finalists in 3 of the last 4 years) and playing some very exciting rugby to boot:
http://www.rfu.com/News/2011/June/Ne...WC_report.aspx Lots of hope for the future there. |
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Yes most definitely a lot of hope for the future.
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As much as I want to see Wales winning the RWC, I can't help but feel NZ will take it and if we get to the final there's no shame in losing to the best team in the world.
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I am hopeful Wales can do it. Not sure New Zealand is that good. But could be proved wrong.
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I can handle losing to NZ in the final just as long as we get there - because it'll mean we beat the Frogs :D
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I would be surprised if France can do it two weeks in a row. They weren't that good, just that England played so badly.
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England's Manu Tuilagi detained after Auckland ferry jump
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Rugby Football Union not in meltdown - Martyn Thomas
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Rebel clubs move to force Martyn Thomas to step down at RFU
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011...tyn-thomas-rfu Guscott says Johnson has come up short http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugb...n/15246354.stm |
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Rugby World Cup 2011: Australia '100% confident' of beating All Blacks
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I'm impressed with Cardiff stadium being sold out, 65,000 for tomorrow's game
Should be a great atmosphere. I am welsh for next 24 hours Or should I say Rwyf yn cymraeg ...:D http://www.theprovince.com/sports/20...470/story.html |
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