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Ahem.... Post No 94. ;)

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And? I was expressing my own opinion..

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More updates on the situation.

http://thewestlondoner.wordpress.com...amsto-brixton/

http://www.met.police.uk/pressbureau/Bur08/page01.htm

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Absolutely shocking in my mind and there is no excuse for this wanton display of criminality by a lawless minority and l hope they get dealt with severely with by the criminal courts.

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It's a good job Arthur isn't fat, ginger, irish and ethnic :)

yeh, the riots are looking bad again.

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Just for you i edited my post. ;)

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I know a Brazillian guy who'll agree with that..........

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From what little I heard on the radio last night there was a far stronger police presence who were prepared to act more readily and forcefully. How long before the usual apologists for this sort of appalling gang behaviour start moaning about an overreaction, police brutality, provocation etc.. :rolleyes:

I've also heard, this morning, those who want to have their cake and eat it. The 'community spokespeople' who on the one hand don't associate with or condone the rioting and like to claim it's all down to nasty outsiders stirring up trouble but on the other hand reckon it's a sign of the massive community anger about Duggan's death and disapproval of the terrible police and economic oppression they suffer every day of their lives. :rolleyes:

Anyway, I'm sure destroying local businesses and carting off car loads of stolen booty puts all that right and does wonders for their prospects... :rolleyes:

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I know. the excuses I've heard are high unemployment.

it started off as unhappiness towards the police and the injustice of it all, and they throw not having a job and claiming benefits into it all.

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That's what I have been thinking throughout. Quite a lot of comments then on how the guy was asking for it and deserved it and then it turned out he was innocent and sadly shot dead. Better to wait for the facts than jump to assumptions and that applies to both sides.

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Stuart CFT, This was the reason behind my comment re ' Its the police fault'.

What we have here is that the community of Tottenham are quick to blame the police for the way they handled the riot, such as the woman who said if it was Scotland Yard, they would have been quicker to respond.

The riots in Tottenham was caused by thugs who were out to rip the heart out of N17, all these people that come out and say they want answers, cannot get it until an enquiry has been made, that was made clear on TV.

What l cannot understand is why on earth the riots started in N17 where the incident last week took place, why the hell does it involve Enfield, Brixton and Shepherds Bush, where rioting was also happening.

The full wait of the courts must take over and punish those offenders, but there again they will be standing outside the courts this morning with all there mates and swagger out with there thumbs up and say l have got community service and l have got away with it.:(

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Why can't it be both? Rioters are wrong and not to be condoned but there is genuine anger at the police?

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Anger based on insufficient information - sounds like some CF posters.....

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The Home secretary cuts short her holiday and returns home to take charge of the situation and pity some other politicians could not return home from their holidays as well.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/au...am-duggan-blog

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...iots-live.html

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Yes there isn't insufficient information but that doesn't stop, as you say, some CF posters being content to presume the police have no case to answer with regards to the shooting. The rioting is pathetic and does no one any good and the community leaders, the family of the man who was shot and others have been quick to condemn the rioting.

We're dealing with two different issues here and just as the shooting doesn't justify the riots, the riots does not remove the question of how police handled the incident which led to the death of Mark Duggan. There seems to be a view that anyone who expresses sympathy with those concerns, as those community leaders did, is condoning the violence. The reality is more complicated than that.

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There has been a rumour that Spurs first PL could be postponed due to the riots.

The best thing would be for the game to go ahead and this will bring the people together and possible calm the situation.

The shooting of the male, everyone is saying conclusions about this, but until we know the full facts about what happened, l suggest nothing more is said on that.

My hearts go out to all the residents that have been effected by the riots, and also at the Allied Carpet building, we don't know if anyone was trapped in this building, but the site of this building being destroyed, even breaks my heart, as l used to wait outside there for my mates before going to the game.

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The amount of people phoning in to LBC Radio and blaming everyone and everything but the rioters, is unbelievable. http://ukrp.musicradio.com/lbc973/live

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:rolleyes:

He didn't sterotype anyone, he said ask some of the students that were rioting

Trouble is if we're only bringing rubber bullets and water cannons, they'll probably be better armed :(

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To my mind there is simply no excuse for the rioting and looting that took place and well l suspect most of the people phoning up are probably family members, relatives and friends who don't know any better.

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That high unemployment thing puzzles me a bit. For instance, wherever you go these days you see hand car washes which seem to be all run by eastern european incomers. Some of them barely speak any english but they're trying to make their way and learn. Seems to me if these guys can find a way there ought to be a way for our other vibrant culture-enrichers to do the same.

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Fancy putting together a list of ALL the politicians on holiday at the moment

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Thank you :)

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Well most of them are on holiday but in times of crisis the public would like the most important ones to stay at home as it sends a better message to the public that you are worried and concerned about this countrys troubles.:)

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So with the rioting and looting spreading to other areas its clear now that there are just people out there looking to cause trouble and steal goods and try to blame it on the shooting last week.

I hope the Police catch as many people with stolen goods as possible.

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I don't agree at all, most of them aren't abroad I would imagine and also how does an MP really help in these situations?

Its like those saying the PM should come home. Why exactly he isn't exactly able to stop them or fix things.

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Talk about all politicans being on hols, I was under the impression that if Cameron was on Hols, his deputy had to take the riegns, but its being left down to the sidekick, Mr Hague who couldn't organise anything.

Becuase of this increasing problem, then one of the leaders has to come back and take hold of the situation.

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But it gives a better impression to the public of being in control of a crisis or serious situation Stephen.:)

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Well in theory yes but in practice no. Just cause some MP or the PM tells us its under control and being dealt with doesn't really mean anything coming from them.

Its the Police that are better to issue a statement and show control in this type of situation.

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You just love sticking the knife in :)

But care to tell me what the pm could do that Teresa May cannot, Plus i don't see a lot of ideas coming from the other group on holiday.

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Yes l know where you are coming from but as we all know in the last 2 months with the News International scandal the Met police cannot keep control of their own affairs so people do not have that much confidence with what they come out with or do.

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First of all dear Sirius this is a non political point that l am making and secondly especially with the worldwide economic crisis l think it would wiser if the PM holidayed at home rather then tally ho to somewhere abroad.;)

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So frustrating to watch the police just standing there with hands tied.

The fact is in most other countries this type of thing would be put down........sometimes bloodily.

We have a police service who 99% of the time are not armed and have nothing but a stick and spray to protect themselves, and it is still the best police force in the world.

Its daft it is, I live about 20miles away from the mayhem, but i might as well live on a different planet. Glad i do to be honest. Troublemaking kids who want a scrap with the Old Bill, who ought to be tear gassedd, tasered and arrested. Nothing political about it, the police have crept around these areas like social workers for 25 years.

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It's probably quicker to fly back from Europe than drive from Cornwall to London - and with modern communications (tele and videoconferencing), do you really believe that the PM is not in touch.

btw, which crystal ball should he have used to know the riots were going to happen?:rolleyes:

btw2, funny how your "non-political" point always seemed aimed at the present government, and if any similar occurrences that happened to the previous government are raised, you consistently reply "but that was in the past, we are talking about the present" - it must be the most partisan "non-political" posts I have ever seen....

btw3, I am not sure what your comparison between the NI farrago and the current riots entail, except they both involve the police.

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Right the first point you made is generally these things build up over several days so the authorities should be on their guard, secondly l would make the same point and have done in the past to any other political party that was in government so it is not bias to any one party, and the third point l made is that the Met police in the last 2 months is a total shambles as we have seen with the 2 resignations and several police officers receiving money for information from the NOTW so it basically tells you what a utter mess it is in and at present has a rudderless leadership and that does not improve morale with the normal bobby on the street.

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Ahem - from the BBC timeline

From the shooting to the first rioting, the time was just over 26 hours, not "several days"; from people gathering outside the police station to the first rioting, just over 3 hours.

When in doubt, choose facts...;)

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It can be both depending on your opinion but for the same people to claim that all this stuff is in some way a measure of support for Duggan at the same time as claiming the trouble's being done by outsiders is nonsense. We're always being told the police don't have a clue what's going on in these 'communities' yet it's apparent that those who speak for the community don't know either.

Was there genuine anger at the shopkeepers, bus drivers, firecrews too? What for? What have they done except trying to serve a 'community' which the 'spokespeople' claim is so deprived. :confused:

I've heard quite a few people claiming that Duggan was murdered and using that to justify the rioting. Do they have some proof we don't then? Judge and jury are they? They don't seem to mind circumventing and ignoring the proper legal process when the police are in the dock and it suits their agenda do they? They don't seem to mind jumping to conclusions when it suits their own prejudice. It strikes me that whatever the facts and the final outcome of the official inquiry, these people have already made up their minds and Duggan will be held up as some form of folklore victim whether he was innocent or not. If it doesn't confirm what they believe, the inquiry will be flawed and unfair, a cover-up, biased, too quick, too long or whatever. They're not interested in the truth, they know that if they repeat this sort of stuff long enough and often enough and a sizeable proportion of the community will start to believe it and use it as a perpetual excuse for wrongdoing. What do we do about that?

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l am not disputing that fact but l suspect there has always been a undercurrent underneath the surface for a while but there is still no excuse for the wanton violence and criminality that we saw on the streets of Tottenham and other parts to a lesser extent.

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The term 'communities' encompasses a lot of people. However the community leaders are probably correct in claiming that that the riots are condemned by the vast majority of the people they represent. As you say a lot of innocent people have been badly affected by these riots. Homes, Businesses, and their livelihoods have all been cruelly stolen by a unthinking mob. So they do condemn it.

Tottenham is a deprived area, one of the poorest in London, and the riot in Tottenham had it's roots in the killing of Mark Duggan. It started off as a protest against his death and was then hijacked and turned into a riot, the exact reason it sparked into what it did has yet to be ascertained.

The spokespeople are right. The community deplore the rioting but they also have concerns about, amongst others, Duggan.

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I know plenty about Tottenham believe me - In my teens/early 20's I spent many years in that part of London and indeed in Lewisham (which isn't a million smiles away geographically of demographically) when all sorts of trouble was kicking off.

Part of the problem is who are these 'spokespeople'? As I've already said, I've heard some saying one thing and some saying another. Some saying they deplore the riots but claim it's being done in support of Duggan - hence building up a sense of community revulsion and increasing the pressure upon the authorities. Others who also condemn the riots but claim the rioters are just troublemakers from elsewhere who couldn't care less about Duggan. They can't both be the case and that's the point I'm making about who's speaking for the 'community' and the reliability of and/or the motivation behind their comments.

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My sympathies :D

OK I understand clearly what your saying now. Can't really speak to any of it though, unsure on who exactly is speaking and what they are saying. Just that you can be both against the riots but feel the original protest had merit. Anyone who thinks the riots are justified or that the police are to blame are wrong, imo, regardless of what the verdict on Duggan is.

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...and look how I turned out... ;)

The reason I used quotes for 'communities' is exactly that. IMHO in places like Tottenham there's no such thing as 'the community', just lots of separate groups and people who claim to represent them for one reason or another. Perhaps, before sounding off at the authorities for a lack of understanding, these people ought to thrash out some form of common ground between themselves and start singing from the same hymn sheet. Equally, the authorities ought to be careful who they listen and respond to.

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So the PM and Ministers should not have gone on holiday because you suspected there was an undercurrent in Tottenham?

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Exactly. I wonder what Blair would've done about WMDs if he'd been in touch with Denphone at the time.... :D

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l am talking about not just the current crisis at Tottenham but the huge economic crisis that is engulfing us all in Britain, Europe and America and surely in those circumstances he should holiday at home and not tally ho off to the continent.:)

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What's 'tally ho' got to do with anything apart from some silly stereotyping on your part?

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Absolutely, because it's a treacherous, two-month journey on horseback through bandit-infested forest to get home from Italy. :erm:

Come on, Den, this is the 21st century. The PM can be home just as quickly from 'the Continent' - or raised on the telephone, if need be - as he could if he were down in Cornwall.

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Again Osem you are becoming political when l have steered well clear of scoring political party points.:rolleyes:

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And what's Blair got to do with this current crisis apart from scoring political points.:)

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It convey's a better understanding to the public if he was to stay at home Chris.

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Yeah right. The 'tally ho' bit wasn't at all political then?..... :rolleyes:

Nothing (apart from his time in power that is). I was just taking the opportunity to point out how ridiculous your argument and pathetic 'tally ho' comment is. I could've added Norman Lamont just prior to the ERM debacle and Churchill just prior to Dunkirk as other examples but didn't want to labour* the point.

* NOT being political there either. Honest!

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What's "tally ho" got to do with this current crisis, besides using stereotypes to score political points?

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Only to those with a tenuous grasp on political and logistical realities...:)

1 - travel time is a couple of hours, max
2 - government is not a one man band (no matter how much a previous Prime Minister tried to make it so) - things are done by discussion and consensus (mostly), rather than by one person on a white charger.
3 - would you rather have an exhaused senior Government team, or one that is refreshed after a break?

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:rofl: Denphone stopped being political a while back or hadn't you noticed? ;)

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No - holidaying in the UK would merely deny headlines to tabloid newspapers who play on the prejudices of people over a certain age and people who use 'The Continent' as code for an unfathomable, faraway place that is somehow disconnected from the One True Reality that is the United Kingdom. ;)

If he were in a safari lodge somewhere in Kenya you might have a point, but as it is, he is no further away than Tuscany, able to take a phone call at 10 seconds notice and able to be chairing an emergency cabinet meeting in under 4 hours should the need arise.

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A better understanding of what exactly?

If it was required then he could easily record a video statement from his current location, however its not required and that is why he hasn't done so.

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Mmmmmm - unless your definition of "stopped being political" means you can't mention previous governments and their leaders (because, obviously, their actions/inactions/personalities had nothing to do with what is happening currently, as all the bad things occurred immediately after May 2010, as before tehn the sun was shining, the birds were singing, and the rabbits were going hippety-hop all day, and there was no tension in Tottenham, no phone-hacking, etc etc), I may have to disagree with you there......:D

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Well to be fair it's still OK to mention Thatc....... :D

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Steady on dear chaps just because we disagree on certain aspects of this argument theres no need to gang up on me as Mummy will not be too happy.:bigcry::bigcry::bigcry:

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I find the comment by denphone, totally resentful, the Met is not in a shambles over the 2 resignation and officers taking money.

My son works for the police and the biggest problem they have at the moment is political with the fact they are being stripped back to the bear bone - hence why officers were drafted in from Kent.

There is also this fact where officers are being forced to retire and being made redundant. Police officers do a great job in London, same as other forces.

What has happened here, is sheer disgraceful behaviour by a bunch of thugs ell bent on causing trouble. To me it appears, that no matter what happens the police are always in the wrong.

There was a suggestion by a forum member about bringing in the Army, what will that achieve, it could have made the matter much worse.

What should happen is bring the culprits to justice and put them into an Army training camp or enlist them and send them war zones, so they will know what the residents felt like on Saturday.

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Agreed.

anyway dumbo. he carries the old red BT phone around with him everywhere he goes :)

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That was me.

ok bringing the army in may be a bit extreme.

we can just borrow a few rocket launchers and tanks instead I suppose?

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What's "tally ho" got to do with this current crisis, besides using stereotypes to score political points?





Tally ho has no political inference to it at all but make of it what you want to Hugh.

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Hope you say the same when your lot are in ;)

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Of course l will as its best not to show any political bias like other certain forum members.:)

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Hope none of the green cabs were set on fire

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You could always make a request on the twitter page.

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Just head an unconfirmed rumour that fighting has kicked off in Kilburn and that the Police are expecting trouble in Central London.

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And it seems to be spreading to Hackney now.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...iots-live.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/au...am-duggan-blog

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14450248


Someone on Twitter

Policeman injured in hackney, we are here, v tense

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This could spread to other parts of the UK. I wonder where next... Manchester, Liverpool?

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Latest rumour from what l have heard is Birmingham.

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Of course, Plenty of nice shops to be found there, and if they organise it properly, they could get everything from under one roof.

Well, given all the video footage we've been bombarded with recently, I hope the police have noticed just how many of these 'concerned protesters' have failed to completely cover their faces when throwing objects at them.

They should compile (if they aren't already) as much of this footage as they can, and use it to throw a very weighted book at as many of these 'concerned protesters' as is possible :)

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Tottenham then Enfield, now Hackney, cars on fire.

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If it carries on the way it's going we can have an hour long show at 5pm every night to name, claim and shame the looter.

the shops putting up the reward money.

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Gary L, l totally agree with you, but l think that will enrage them, as the Army carry guns and they will use them if needed, but then you will have community leaders saying there actions are too strong, The residents should be allowed to do what they have top do to the **** and that is what they are.

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So infact what your saying is go ahead and loot the shops because the police should step back !

I have to agree with Gary. Get the army in there complete with baton guns

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This.

The way I see it is that these people do not respect the Police, let alone law and order.

An example needs to be set that we will just not tolerate this behaviour in our society.

:mad:

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"There's a reason we separate military and the police: one fights the enemy of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people."

--Commander William Adama

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You do realise we are dealing with reality here not some tv show. :)

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No Sirus, l am not saying that, the police should be allowed to get on with the job, baton, cs spray the lot.

Those stupid mindless people have now sent the whole of London on panic stations.

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Still true, you can't set an army onto your own people. That's what the police is there for and trained for. You'd have a blood bath on your hands if you set in a shooting army. I think avoiding that is more important than defending property rights.

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:clap:

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Society in areas are unbelievable. Theres no respect at all and as for common sense, well thats brushed aside which makes me sick to my stomach. Common sense is a gift yet loads of people take it for granted whom then encounter arrogance. The police needs a shake up, its a joke. And these societies need a wake up call. The Government, well thats a whole different story.

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Where did i say shoot them, I said issue baton guns. The army can be deployed with none lethal weapons and shields

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Indeed, besides, the Royal Marines and Paras have a fair bit of experience in policing riots I hear...

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As do many other including the regiment i was in. Dealt with riots in Londonderry and Belfast. I have had to fire a baton gun in anger and have NEVER pointed a loaded rifle at a civilian ever.

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With all due respect to our old soldiers this is 2011 not the 1930s.;)

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Whatever we do. we need to get a grip because this is turning into a game to a lot of these people. they are getting too confident from no real action being taken.

it could go on for days, and the longer it does the more random it will get.

even if it died down on it['s own. the same people will start it all back up again at anytime for any reason. benefit sanctions, the price of gas, the price of petrol. the reason list is endless.

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have to agree with that ,the reason our own home grown won't do it is because it would mean getting up in the mornings



@ Dush

You can get the army out to work with the police ,and i think it would be a good idea ,it would show these anarchists who Tweet "we own da streets now not da pigs" that we mean business ,and speaking as a ex forces bloke i can assure you that the sight of just a few Paras in full battle dress will scare the crap out of these idiots and send them home crying for their mummies

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Actually Gary i totally agree with you there ,they will use anything as a excuse to turn over the local dixons for a new telly in the future if strong decisive action is not taken now

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Kind of think the Prime Minster needs to return now..

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If not just for this, As there is a lot more going on that needs his attention:erm: And the other one as well?

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who's the other one ?

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The muppet who is in charge of the economy as we seem to be facing a meltdown?

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For a moment i thought you meant Clegg :rofl:,what's he upto these days ,haven't heard from him for a while

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I think I caught him on the news earlier trying to reassure the children that everything was under control..

Meanwhile they're having to put PCSOs and untrained officers in the front line as they don't any longer have adequate numbers of trained and equipped officers to do the job.

Wait till the mob starts on Westminster. That should focus our polititian's minds.

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I was gonna start by saying "I'm sorry" but NO.

We should bring in armoured vehicles with water cannons that have smart water and then over the comming weeks arrest everyone of them, if they are wellfare STOP payments as they are NOT actively seeking work. and then take money out of that when it restarts.

Why are the cops standing around with fingers up there butts? Batton charge them, if your innocent you shouldn't be there.

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First off it was not 1930 it was 1980 :). Secondly rioting is rioting years do not change it. There is nothing special about these riots other than the looting is more profitable.

If people are going to riot, Beat up people defending a bus driver, Then they need to take the full pressure of the law and if that means using our armed forces so be. I am not a softy lib who thinks we should only talk and slap there hands whilst wringing my own hands, I am a realist who see's what NEEDS to been done with the **** involved in this.

EDIT

There has just been a stupid woman on the news saying we should be asking the rioters why they are looting :confused::confused::confused:

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IMHO it's just an excuse for the *******s in those areas to cause trouble.

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And loot

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Recreational rioting, undertaken by thugs and nobheads.

None of them will have contributed anything to society, these idiots are net " takers", those that waste societies money then complain when there's none left for the communities they live in.

Norman Tebbit was right in the 80's and his are still right today.

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I live near the rioting, sleeping with a baseball bat tonight. This is crazy.

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Stay safe :tu:

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Stay safe, use a condom.

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Possibly because the cops on the ground know that they won't be supported by their senior officers or political masters. They're damned if they do and damned if they don't.

I so wish they could go in and break some heads..

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Good plan. That way there won't be any prints or DNA on the bat.

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Looks like it's breaking out in Brum.

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Well they are now throwing petrol bombs so its time to kick arse, Bring in the army i say.

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16045926

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The trouble is there are far too many dogooders, we should adopt the norwegian approach to prision over crowding, one out, one in.

Lock these people up, when the prisions allow it, no time off due to over crowding.