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The problem (in comparison to V+) seems to be a fundamental issue of video feed from Tivo. I will just wait to see if anything can be done, maybe fundamental as the chip set used within the Cisco box or how the Tivo software utlises box resources for upscaling. Seems strange though that even HD is not quite there as well. Will just have to wait and see if anything comes out of the VM support thread. But if people are returning Tivo boxes because of this, then even thought they are few, that should be serious enough to require investigation by VM. This is meant to be their premier box after all and Sky plus the press would love a story like this to promote!

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Hi All,
TiVo installed yesterday and after reading these threads before the install I was concerned about the SD PQ. Have to say very pleasantly surprised. One thing is clear though, it varies from channel to channel. My Sony TV and TiVo detected each other perfectly and the default 1080i setting is definitely the best option after playing with the output settings.
This is really hard to define as it's a personal judgement thing, but I would say that all the 'modern' channels showing recent content look great, so all BBC, ITV, C4, C5 and Discovery channels. Any channel showing any US content looks softer, Eurosport and Sky Sports are very soft.
However, overall the majority of SD channels for me are either the same or slightly better. The channels that were a bit soft and blurry before are actually a bit worse.
At this time though, very pleased and confused as to how some customers are considering sending their TiVo's back. The PQ problem if it exists is not across all channels and content at least not on my home setup.

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Hi,

Think I have managed to get it to keep the settings after much playing about with it. It is currently set as 720p, 1080i only and the TV does switch between them when going from SD to HD channels.

Not sure if this is related but another problem I have noticed is when I switch my TV off at night, when it is switched on in the morning it is defaulting to EXT1 (Scart) and not HDMI1 which is what the V+ defaulted to.

I do have the Scart cable connected from the TiVo to a DVDR and when it is disconnected the TV does automatically switch on to HDMI1 but not sure why this affects it.. can someone a bit more technical explain or offer a solution/fix?

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BBC iplayer on v+ pq is excellent....on TiVo is poor, no channel is as good as v+, the worrying thing is that the picture quality of sky on my iPad is now better than TiVo hd on my lg 42"!!

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I have just got a new 46" TV and having spent a long while adjusting all the TVs settings TiVo looks amazing on it. Most SD channels look really great and the HD channels are super amazing looking.

Personally the iPlayer stuff I've watched has all been in HD and looks brill. TiVo iPlayer is taken from the same servers as the BBC web iPlayer where as the V+ iPlayer stuff is recoded and stored on VOD servers I think.

So personally I think TiVo looks better than my Samsung V+ which is still set up on the Same TV and I can easily switch between the two.

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I have found that sometimes 576i+1080i works fine - then at other times it will just not go out of 1080i mode.

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Exactly my experience. I breathed a sigh of relief when VM agreed to take my TiVo back. After 10 years or so TiVo should have been a lot better!

It is all very well others saying they had to tweak their TV settings - I have four main sources, all of them HD, and all go through a high quality Octavo hdmi switchbox into the single hdmi input on my plasma panel. I tweaked the picture using the Video Essentials and it looks great on Blu Ray, Apple TV and the French satellite HD service TNTSat. Looks great with VM V+ too and with Freeview HD and SD from a 3View box.

Along comes TiVo and I get a very soft SD picture and HD that looks like one of the better V+ SD channels and the advice I am given is to tweak the TV settings. How is that going to help? In the course of initially setting up the panel I had turned off practically all the digital processing and made sure the picture has a sensible contrast level, minimum sharpening etc. etc.. All I could do to tweak further is to switch on various digital processing options - which I don't want to do. Why is it that only TiVo out of 6 sources would need this extra tweaking?

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Yours is a prime example as to why VM really need to investigate this. I have done all the tweaking possible and the bottom line the video output from Tivo is just not as good. This is a real gap for VM, yet some seem to have a perfectly good picture and others are returning their boxes, cannot be good.

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TiVo installed yesterday. First impressions of picture quality are that there the picture is softer than the V+ (37in Panasonic and output from V+ and TiVo set to 1080i) on SD but no different or better on HD. But I am talking about very small differences well below the variation you get between programmes.

Eurosport SD looks as bad on both, no suprise there.

I will play with the settings on the TV. I should point out that by softer I dont mean that its a worse picture just different.

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Also the Panny is set to adjust the picture brightness depending on the illumination of the room. I dont know if it really does so or what the effect on the picture would be.

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What is more relevant for me personally is why everybody is not seeing this. I am not doubting what you saw scgf, the pq was obviously worse for you. On the thread you started about this in the tivo forums though only one person reported worse pq. Many said it was the same as the V+ and some even better. One poster who had swapped from a Sky HDbox said the tivo had better pq.
This issue is of particular concern to me as I am fussy about pq and I am getting my box fitted next week. Enough people are saying it is not an issue ( on their setup) though for me to be not too worried.

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The TiVo has a noticeable picture quality issue on sd. Hd is perfect. If your paying £149 for renting this box you need to be sure you want to keep it as if you decide to go back to v+ a few months down the line you have wasted £149 and you may have to pay for v+ {again}

I totally understand why folk are playing it safe and returning the tivo

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I dont think TiVo has a noticeable issue at all. Some people are claiming it's not as good as the V+ however I think it could be the way their TVs are set up. I've turn off all the tv processing effects and the SD quality looks brilliant. It obviously looks poor on channels like eurosport but that has always looked rubbish also on really old tv programmes but on most channels and more recent programmes the pq looks great. HD looks particularly fantastic too.

The only pq issue I have is that the TiVo menus don't work properly at all when watching 3D VOD stuff.

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It is certainly NOT a case of just how TVs are set up when compared to the V+. Several people (including myself) with a poorer PQ have adjusted settings, turned off processing effects, etc and fundamentally the video feed shown on the TV is not as good particularly for SD.

The reason why this is a mystery as to why some TVs seem to handle the Tivo feed better than others.

This is a long way from V+ which seemed to produce an excellent picture for everyone. I've never seen anybody posting about poor V+ PQ and returning boxes, but that has changed with Tivo.

I wish there was an easy answer as I actually do like the Tivo box, it is just a shame there seems to be no way I can improve the PQ and I have certainly tried with TV picture options.

The only specific issue with my original set up was the need to install an equaliser as my power levels into Tivo were too high, but don't see how that could have an impact on Tivo video output to my TV.

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Iv tried changing around my tv settings, but still, very dissapointed with the SD quality. As i mentioned in another thread, the Soccer Scores on SS1 on sat was unwatchable. I never had that on the V+

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Sky Sports News is the channel I really notice it on. V+ it looked HD just the text was fuzzy but now its shocking.

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You must have had a really really good V+ box or a low HD expectation level if you thought Sky Sport News on V+ looked HD!

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I wouldnt say hd! But it looked superb, now..... Unreadable. Nothing else to point my angry finger at apart from the Tivo!

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This is a genuine question, I'm not being argumentative or anything...

Is it that bad that it is really unreadable? Or is that just a little exaggeration to emphasise your point?

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No, i generally found some of the scores and league positions on the right to be unreadable. Ok, if i squinted and moved forward i could make them out. But i find that unreadable. And yes, i do have perfect vision! :)

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If it really is unreadable, you've got a faulty box, cable or TV.

I've captured the attached image from the SD composite video in the SCART socket (the worst possible image quality), and it's still readable.

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Yeah I don't think the SD is as good as the SA box I had before it but that box was slow and pretty crap.

The HD is top notch I don't watch much SD this days and hope as the months and years go on I will watch very little to none....

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Well my mates that have sky could only tell it wasn't HD due to the top right hand corner telling them its not. Last night as soon as it was put on we all noticed the blur in the side bar.

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Thanks for that Spiderplant. I've got TiVo due to be installed Saturday and that's very encouraging given that it is a composite video signal. Only wish you hadn't made the capture when the Premier League table was displayed (my user name should give you a clue as to who I support) :o:

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Well, like I say, you must have had a magnificent V+ box. I had SkyHD up until January and there was no way that I could mistake SD SSN on V+ for the HD version on Sky.

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SSN HD blows SSN out the water , no comparison at all.

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Hello all,
Just had my Tivo installed today.
Concerned about all this talk about picture quality.
My first impression is, hard to tell.
The quality of broadcasts, on HD and SD, is so variable, it is hard to make a judgement.
So far, so good on my 50" Panasonic.
Have BBC HD on at the moment, looks good to me.

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Yep, Soccer Sat was on SS1HD over Easter and it looked amazing.

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Yep it is very good quality , dont get me wrong V+ does a good job of upscaling SSN however the HD channel is still significantly better in quality.

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Set the tivo box to 576i and set the onkyo av receiver to upscale it to 1080p looks amazing so much less noise around the text and graphics on SSN for example. So just need tivo to fix the output settings so it only sends native resolutions and my onkyo can do the upscaling and I will be happy again.

Lets hope this happens

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I would suggest that Sky's SD output is not the best to assess - there's long been a suspicion that Sky deliberately compromises the SD versions of its channels to increase the quality distinction of the HD variants. Sky Sports News on SD on the V+ isn't great either.
Try flipping between Film4 and Film4 HD on the TiVo; the SD / HD discrepancy is notably less than flipping between Sky Sports 1 and Sky Sports 1 HD.

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To be fair though, are you really sure on the quality of film 4 hd? not all the films on there are broadcast from proper HD transfers, some of them do look like they are upscaled (very well in some cases) but not in others.

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Sky Sports News always looked fine on my V+ , not as sharp as Sky Sports News HD on my Sky box but pretty good.

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I watched Avatar last night on Sky movies HD and that looked absolutely mind blowing!! By far the best thing I've seen on this TV. Even the mrs' was in awe!

As luck would have it, TiVo also recorded it for me earlier in the week so that will be my new Demo material. :)

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I had TiVo installed yesterday (swapped for a V+) and I think both SD & HD pictures are stunning! (I have a 32" Sharp Aquos). The sound is a lot better too, one of the weaknesses of the SA V+ box as well :)

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I did my testing with Hero the other evening which was listed as being HD, a film visually breathtaking. Looked very good on Film4 and even better on Film4HD, but the difference wasn't massive.
I then did a similar check with the football on SkySports2 and SkySports2 HD - even though I didn't think the latter's PQ was that stunning, the difference between the two was more marked than my Film4 comparison.
All subjective though, of course. I tried both 720p and 1080i settings from the Tivo: I think the latter is marginally better for HD on my set but the former gives a slightly better SD picture.
On another note, I think Rubicon on BBC4 looked sharper this week on my Freeview recording than it did on my TiVo's :(

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I am watching The Royal Wedding on BBC1 HD.
The picture, like the event, is absolutely stunning on my Tivo/ Panasonic 50" plasma.

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Also watching the Royal Wedding and the home menu just popped up randomly and then the screen went black and then the home menu loaded up slowly again. I was on the sofa and the remote far away on the table. Veeery weird?

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Is it normal to keep getting e-mails from this forum regarding my posts?
Most strange.

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I'm just about happy with HD now on Tivo, have checked several HD channels and the picture is just about the same I had with V+ I would say. It is SD which just doesn't show good enough upscaling still. Used to see BBC1 SD looking like near HD quality on V+ for example, not the case on my Tivo.

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The sd channels on my Tivo are significantly better than on my V+ box a great improvement,
However the clunky menus drive me nuts its like a balloon blowing up and then bursting and that bloody clock grrr!

best

barney111

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I have to agree - whilst Mrs Nialli was cooing over the dress I couldn't shut up about how bloody brilliant the BBC1 HD was looking this morning :D

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I've got a Sony Bravia 32" and sorry, but for me the SD picture is poor compared to the SA V+ box that's been moved upstairs.

As people have said, channels like BBC1 which looked HD like when in SD, look like the Freeview equivalent now :( The lower bandwidth channels are on the verge of awful.

HD, to be fair, looks at least as good, if not better though.

Had a play with all the settings and I can see little difference in SD picture quality. I supposed it's a question of playing around and seeing what works best. At the moment though, slightly disapointed.

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Same dont know who to contact is there a tivo team?

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yes there is, you get put straight through on the fone when u ask. the tivo is very sensitity to signal levels if u have correct level u should be fine. mine was -14 at the highest level. and my pictures was terrible on every sd channel now it very good. can't fault virgin media the engineer checked the signal round the house to make sure it wasn't my end. he come next day with a splitter that increased the signal level to -7/-8 which has improved picture drastically i was made up i can watch tv without picture break up now it sorted now tho for how long nobody knows.

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My impression of BBC SD is that some times it looked near HD, but more often looked poor.
Very variable, so when I analyze the Tivo SD, I am not sure whether the broadcast quality or the Tivo is to blame.
HD is fantastic.

ps. on a 50" panasonic

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Can i just say that i have had no difference over the SD and HD. If you get the TIVO and you do not like the PQ after a while you get used to it as you forget about the other (unless you have got the V+ to compare it to, at the time)

This is in my opinion.

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Interesting. The engineer removed an attenuator we had on the back of the old V+ because we're the first house in the street and the signal was too high that we kept losing channels at random. Maybe the reverse is true for us now, worth a call I suppose.

The V+ upstairs looks as good as ever so I'm betting, bearing in mind the number of people moaning, it's the TiVo upscaling to blame.

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My Video Output settings has one for 1080p (25fps, pass-through only). Does anyone know what this means?

When I was watching British Eurosport 2 earlier tonight, I tried this setting and the info button on my TV said the resolution was 720 X 576. When I have it set on 1080i, the TV says it is 1920 x 1080.

Any ideas? I'm not great when it comes to all this upscaling malarkey! :erm:

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What TV have you got that gives you that sort of information?

Most just say 720i, 1080i etc.

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keep reading some users can get there tivo to output 576 for SD and HD at 1080i but I cant. My onkyo is better at upscaling the SD but it means I have to change settings for HD :(

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Mines a Sony Bravia 42" and the picture is great.

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It means that if there was some 1080p/25fps content available, the TiVo would output it in 1080p. (However, VM don't have any content like that). Lower resolutions can't be upscaled to 1080p by the TiVo.

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It's a Samsung Series 6 40" LCD.

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Thanks Spiderplant! If this option was selected as well as 1080i, I presume it would be ignored and everything would be sent out from TiVo as 1080i?

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Correct

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My series 7 Samsung also displays the actual resolution and 50hz or 60hz as well.

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I think all samsung's display that information ,mine both do.

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I wonder if people (including me) are seeing variable SD channel PQ due to a more limited range of acceptable signal level with Tivo, whereas the V+ was more tolerant with a wider range of signal level able to generate a high quality SD picture?

Can the VM Tivo team remotely inspect your Tivo set up to see how you are set up as I feel it could be useful if VM could inspect customers complaining of lower SD PQ to see if there is a trend? Maybe worth a call to the Tivo suppport team for them to check my settings?

My installer was a last minute backup to the planned installer and while he had Tivo training, his background was BB installs as we talk more about the super hub than Tivo. I just wondered whether he did set up everything correctly? He did install an equaliser to be fair which indicated signal levels were checked.

With adjustments to my TV, I've managed to improve SD PQ but watching a game of football on BBC1 SD on Sunday morning, indicated SD still cannot give me the same quality I had with V+.

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The V+ let you see the signal level, but I can't see the same on the Tivo.
My levels were high on the V+ and I don't recall the installer doing any checks.

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I had the engineer back to checkout my TiVo because of poor SD picture quality. He confirmed levels were OK and could find no problem. IMO the SD picture quality on the TiVo is simply dire. That's how it is.

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The signal level has nothing to do with it. It's the TiVo itself

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It can't be, else everyone's picture quality would be dire. I find mine is very marginally softer that is all, mostly on poor quality broadcasts, i.e. British Eurosport 2. I certainly can't say it is dire, or anywhere near it. Watching MotoGP on BBC2 yesterday, the PQ seemed every bit as good as it was on V+.

The problems people are experiencing may be specific issues to them, i.e. they way TiVo was installed, the quality of the feed into their house, their TV, the set up they have with regards to passing the picture through Amps etc.

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According to TiVo signal strength and snr is important to picture quality pixelisation and macro blocking:

http://support.tivo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/150

Why do you say it has nothing to do with it?

Regards

John

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No it's not, it's the way the TiVo upscales otherwise hd would be 'softer' too. I noticed from the second I installed the TiVo that the picture was more blocky.

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Because my snr is in it's 40s and I have every type of attenuator at my disposal.

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I'm quite happy with my SD picture.
Quality depends on the bitrate, and the BBC, for example, is very variable.
On the V+, the BBC varied from almost HD to VHS.
Same on Tivo.
Funnily enough, I find most of my viewing is in HD. Didn't realise it until I got the Tivo.

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Your comparing signal break up which affects all boxes, this thread is comparing the TiVo to the v+ sd picture quality with the same signal

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Maybe thats the reason


6. The SNR reading must be between the following values to give good-quality video on all HD DVR models.

Modulation type:

QAM 64

QAM 256

Minimum SNR

23 dB

29 dB

Maximum SNR

30 dB

35 dB

You are outside the range;)

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Lol my signal is too good? Don't think so. Shall I loosen an f connector?

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Only telling you what TiVo themselves say are the ranges for snr. Dont shoot the messenger

p.s. Where are you getting your snr figures from, in the TiVo menu?

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From the PDA when I installed it :)

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Ummmmm mines 37Db and my sd is about the same or better and my hd is definately better than my sa V+. :shocked:

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PDA?

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No, from the diagnostic page of my modem, as the signal for my TiVo, V+ and modem come from the same cable to the green box I'm assuming that the power levels and snr will be the same as it is one cable split into 3 at the house.

Regards

John

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Never tried investigating the broadband?? modem.
How do you do that?
Getting too clever for me.

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Click here http://192.168.100.1/CmDnstream.asp rxmer is your snr level

Regards

John

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That link doesn't work for me --- giving;

Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage

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Me neither.

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I think it will depend on which model of cable modem you have whether that link will work.

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192.168.100.1 will work, if you have a hub username is admin password is changeme. If you have an ambit password and username is root

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I guess I'll never know my SNR then:dunce:

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One factor that seems to be missed in all this is the setting for display type which is relevant for SD but not HD as all HD broadcasts seem to be 16:9.
There is a choice of 'Full' 'Panel' or 'Zoom' and only 'Panel' will give a correctly proporioned, sharp unstretched picture.

The local head engineer who fitted my Tivo was insistant that Virgin only broadcast in 720p and that any other output needs converting by the Tivo box( make of that what you wish)

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Plug a v+ in out of the box put it to 1080i magic... thats what i expect form tivo

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Exactly! Lol!

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Yes but then dont expect a sharp SD picture if you are asking the Tivo to stretch a 4:3 broadcast to fit 16:9. Tivo seems to default on installation to strech to picture to fit the screen

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Worked out that my Samsung had managed to enable DNIe some how and that is what was affecting motion, now turned back off.

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When mine was installed the tech set it to "stretch" . Needless to say on finding that Bloomberg news was full screen:shocked: I reset it to non stretch.

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I tried my TIVO on 576i and 720 to let my Samsung TV upscale and 1080. I can't detect any quality difference of note.

It looks like the Samsung is very slightly better - when viewed from a few inches the artifacts are more pleasant. However from normal viewing distance there's no difference in the various resolutions that I can detect (and yes, my eyesight is just fine ;) ).

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My Samsung does a slightly better job of upscaling, only problem is you end up with an upscaled menu too (not native HD).

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I've been able to improve things slightly by having a play with the TV settings for stuff like motion flow (turning up to high) and noise reduction (turning off).

It's definately still not as sharp as the old V+, but I think I can live with it now. It's not helping that the pic quality on things like Sky Sports seems to be particularly bad in SD at the moment anyway (verified by comparing with the V+).

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That is a very good point. My engineer left it in Full mode and I put it back to panel after he left. If a lot of Tivos are left in Full mode it could explain why a lot of people are saying that SD pictures are not so good if they are subjected to stretch-o-vision.

I have a 54" Panasonic and have no problem with PQ from the Tivo.

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Yeah me too, first thing I changed. It only went from fuzzy stretched pictures to fuzzy ones with bars though.

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I prefer wide mode, it worked fine on sa v+.

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Could it be that people who think the V+ looks same if not worse than TiVo didn't have V+ video output setup correctly? I seem to remember fiddling with the settings on V+ until the pic was right, and then it was excellent.

Also, my TV doesn't seem to upscale the TiVo 520i output very well, so I'm not convinced this is only about upscaling.

Boz

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I've got my HD Ready Toshiba set to 720p for SD and 1080i for HD. I'm finding the HD a little better than the Samsung V+, the SD perfectly watchable but a little softer than the V+. Picture size I've gone with "Panel".
I've tried other setting combinations but I'm happy with what I have. My test has been Justified; shot in HD but broadcast on the lower bitrate 5USA. Picture a little soft on the TiVo but still vastly superior to the Freeview version. (It's a real shame the show isn't premiered on 5 HD.)
Someone described the SD picture as "dire" - I don't think that's at all true unless you have a huge TV, in which case any SD will look poor. I also find that now I'm watching 90% of my TV in HD any upscaled SD looks pretty second rate.

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Or they had the Samsung V+ and not the superior picture quality of the SA V+

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True, if you compare TiVo to SA V+, there is probably a bigger difference.
I noticed a big difference when VM changed my SA V+ for Samsung V+, so I haven't seen a massive drop with TIVO

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For me the Samsung had vastly superior PQ to the SA V+

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I have to agree it was definitely better. But then again, perhaps I didn't configured my SA output properly!

Boz

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Watching eurosport today,World Superbikes I could not read the Rider names at the Bottom of the screen........They were to Fuzzy.

Plugged in the old V+ no problem...:(:(:(

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I would like to say that my Tivo SD picture quality is good and the HD is excellent.:)

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It is so nice not to be the lone voice condemning TiVo SD picture quality. It really made me rethink the whole VM package.

I am now enjoying Freeview HD and loving it. SD and HD picture quality both better than TiVo and no monthly charge! If you are finding you are mostly watching channels which are on Freeview think on! I bought a 3View box which can access iPlayer and is having features added all the time. It has 2 tuners built in and does series links very well.