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And there's the rub. In the eyes of the law, there is no difference (public order offences aside, but that's another kettle of fish/can of worms).

Well, like it or not: Gays have the same kissing rights as heteros these days. You'd better get used to it.

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Of course you'll find most heterosexual men objecting to two gay men kissing, buy would probably happily watch two lesbians - not two fat, Crew cut, boilersuit wearing lesbians mind you, no they would have to be two fit 6" blonde scandanavian lesbians.

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And your point is ;) :p:

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Yes, those special lesbians in films, that just require a real man to cure them (or so I've heard - I wouldn't know anything about those films)

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No I wasn't. I said "If it is true". I didn't accuse the pub owner of being a homophobe anywhere.

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I can't imagine what things will be like in ten - twenty years time. Someone who owns and runs a bar surely has the right to accept into and serve who he wants to. There's no monopoly, there must be a dozen+ bars/pubs in every town in the UK.

Whats normal for Gay people is not whats normal for the majority of the public. There's people born as Siamese twins and for them that's normal life. It does not make it something we should aim for more of now does it?

Evolution strives to make species reproduce better and facts are facts, 2 blokes does not make a baby..

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I must admit, where you said 'if this is true' I thought the natural reading of it was 'if the report is true', not 'if the suggestion that the landlord's motivation was discriminatory is true'.

It has certainly seemed to me as if you have assumed this is a case of discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation.

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Totally love your posts Mr Monkey...

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The Labour Party disagrees with you. Their Equality Act is one of the most badly-named pieces of legislation of all time because it cannot possibly create equality. All it can do is legislate for one lifestyle or belief system to have precedence over another ... and give professional whingers like Peter Tatchell - and those in his sphere of influence - reason to assume that whenever someone tells them to stop doing something, or chooses not to engage with them in something, it must be because they're a raging homophobe.

Honestly, Jeremy Vine had the complainant on his show on BBC Radio 2 this lunchtime and it was outrageous. He plainly assumed the whole thing to be a case of homophobia, yet couldn't offer anything to support that assumption when challenged (albeit very gently) by Vine.

Then they had some mouth-frothing bloke on, who edits a homosexual newspaper, and his whole thesis was that the landlord's alleged use of the word 'obscene' is sufficient to prove homophobia because 'nobody would use that word if it was a man and a woman'.

I thought you had to go to Northern Ireland to find such a finely-honed sense of grievance until all this blew up.

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On this and many issues, that is why I did not vote for them :-)

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Gay to most people is anyone who participates in sexual activities or has an attraction for the same sex. So Bi-sexual will get counted as Gay and if you speak to a lay person in the street about what sexual activities are as soon as they hear that a man sleeps with a man (even if he also sleeps with women) he's still gay. :rolleyes:

Hence they tend to lump the figures onto one.. and LGB tends to be together as a group

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and you're assuming I give a toss about peoples religion or human rights with regard to this issue, the only rights I care about are those kids and young people no longer actually being adopted. I am sure there are an awful lot of people fawning all over Harman telling her what a good job she did, I'd like to see her explain it to a kid that had a bleak childhood and an even bleaker future because of her and the government she was part of's failure to find a compromise.

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Yet you used a regligious context for your viewpoint.. You can't have it both ways ..or do you ;)

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Err no I didn't, how else could the subject of the agencies be raised without mentioning they are Catholic, I even clarified my position in reply to Hugh.

You seem to have missed the point, the reason I mentioned the adoption agencies wasn't because they were a minority (although that might have been the reason why they worked the way they did) but because of the impact it'll have on the most hard to place kids lives, those agencies placed more teenagers than any other organisation I belive.

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:rolleyes:

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Sometimes I wonder who is more tolerant, the homophobic (I never did like that word as it's meaning is too wide), or the gays themselves.

Mountains out of molehills springs to my mind, but who will make the biggest mountain out of it? Well that's obvious.

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I think both gay and hetro groups have their idiots who believe that their lifestyle is how everyone should be and they show great intolerance for anyone different. It's not though unique to those simple definitions as there's also a lot of gay infighting.. (just like any groups)

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Gays should be allowed the same freedom of expression that straights have.

I love the fuss that's been made over those guys being asked to leave because they kissed. Sexuality by its very nature is a social thing, the idea that homosexuals should somehow 'keep it to themselves' is absurd. Straights can't manage it so why should gays. Planting one on your lover in a pub perfectly appropriate.

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That everybody is biased :D

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How tall are you then?

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ok then but there are 3 distinct groups which are different. Homosexual bisexual and heterosexual. If 2 groups are classed as gay then ok but surely a bisexual woman or man is only part time gay because a heterosexual isnt classed as gay so when the bi sexual is having sex with someone of the opposite sex they are not being gay at that time lol

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you do all realise " is the symbol for inch not foot? you have been discussing 6 inch lesbians lmao

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He might be referring to the size of their heels, or the size of their thingybob :)

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No, there isn't - they are both just couples showing affection for one another.

I am embarrassed if I see a couple indulging in full-on groping in public, be they gay or straight; however, that's my problem, not theirs. I have no issues with any most public shows of affection, be they a quick snog, holding hands, hugs, etc.

Arthur, it would be embarrassing for you - perhaps you need to be more of "a man of the world", as your words don't appear to live up to your actions.

What would you do if you were invited to a Civil Marriage Ceremony - would you object to the couple kissing at the end?

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Midget porn!

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Depends how you look at it. and whether you are using the normal and abnormal thinking part of your brain.

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I think you may find that if they have a thingybob, they aren't lesbians....;)

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Have you ever used the normal part of your brain?

You appear to (imho) conflating "different" with "abnormal" - this seems to be quite a recurrent behaviour of yours....;)

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A part time worker is still a worker, a part time troll is still a troll and a part time gay is still gay..

Or perhaps they got past the pre-60's sodomy laws by only being part-time gay!!!

:doh: :banghead:

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It's pretty straightforward, if a 'persecuted minority' can at leat partially lay claim to being connected to another albeit more publicised group then they will automatically get adopted in to it.

It's why mixed race people such as Barak Obama, Beyonce etc will always be "black".

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You tell him that.

No, just the abnormal part.

is there a difference between normal and abnormal?

well then :D

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oh I am sorry to frustrate you truly I am. Being neither homosexual or bi sexual I have a limited understanding on how you would like to be classed. I thank you very much for enlightening me to the fact that bi sexuals would like to be classed as gay ( which is actually just a word like queer or poofter thats used and not a proper nomenclature (none of which I use btw) )

So in all fairness to me and my lack of understanding surely when making a statistical analysis of habits should it not be broken down into the 3 groups? Hetero homo and bi ? because here we see what we so often see when using statistics and thats the fact results can be manipulated to prove a certain point.

Hope your head does not hurt to much dear :)

BTW I am gay when I am happy and jolly and having a good time does that mean you count me too ;)

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Nah, just a person trying to put correct someone confused.. glad you admit to being gay and I hope you are happy with that choice even if it is just a state of mind ;)

You might be right about the three groups and in an ideal world we wouldn't need any classifications, but as this chit-chat came about from the topic of the surveys which only dictated between two groups of Gay and Not Gay we'll just have to classify you as not bisexual ;)

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yeah and I openly admit that I did not realise bisexuals also classed themselves gay. I was under the impression gay was only used as a term for those who only have relations with the same sex.

I personally do not see homosexuals and bisexuals as the same so thats where my confussion arose wink wink for good measure ;)

Gay is also used now as a term for something rubbish or stupid or boring etc . Oh the English language

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could someone also clarify a question I asked earlier and it is an honest query as I do not know Is bisexuality also considered a genetic disposition? I know Homosexuals believe ( with some scientific backing ) that they are genetically disposed to be attracted to the same sex. Do bisexuals believe they are genetically disposed to be attracted to both sexes?

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I never said Bisexuals class themselves as Gay as that's up to the individual and my own classification of them is my own viewpoint, instead you've missed that I said that others will and have classified them as Gay for the purpose of the sexual act with the same gender. The original laws, the survey and most other contexts have all labelled them as Gay..

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so why exactly are you arguing with me winking at me as if your getting one over on me or somehow being clever at my expense? I do not understand ??

What about my question on genetics?

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Arthur, there is no difference at all. It's just two people kissing..

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i think there is a big difference.

homosexuality is against nature.. the purpose of sex is to reproduce. two men or two women can not do that, they must respect the rights of those that do not wish to see such actions

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What about a man who has had a vasectomy - is it against nature for him to have sex, as he cannot reproduce?

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A Catholic would think so

every sperm is sacred every sperm is good .... lol

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Has someone opened the can of worms that heterosexual anal sex is yet?

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u dont half talk a not of billhocks.

Who is to say what is against nature? Homosexuality exists in all forms of life on earth and has been obsurved in a lot of the animal kingdom. Are u telling me that they to should stop because its against "Nature"? At the end of the day its a natural urge to be attracted to someone else and again no one has the right what so ever to say who that other person should be wheather it be same or opposite sex. The same could be said if u wanted to get down to it that some parts of the human population shouldnt reproduce with others because their genes are not good enough like the nazi regime.

How would u like it if someone came up to u and said that u shouldnt be with ur wife because she looks like Vannessa Feltz's cellulite?

U have the same right to be with whoever ur attracted to in the same way we have the rights as gay\Lesbian\Bisexual\Transgender\Transexuals do.

Simple as and its the way it should be.

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ive mentioned that I partake lol lol

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Or BJ's.......

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have to pull you up on that mate a peodo thinks its a natural urge now thats not ok is it

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been found to increase the risk of oral cancers as is cunnilingus

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Synthetic antibiotics - against nature, I tell you....

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this is what i dont get.

Catholics dont approve of Any forms of sex which u cannot reproduce or any sort of sexual protection such as condoms YET they have reciently changed their look on Condoms even though its so called against their religion.

Why? because it suits them, even though my God Daughter is a Catholic and i have Catholic friends, Catholisism i cannot stand because they always change their religion and outlook to suit them and the way they look on life.

I remember my friend lost 2 out of 3 of her tripplets. During the funeral the Catholic Priest said to her "Dont feel bad about it, It was just Gods will". I had to be restrained cos i almost headbutted him.

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A lot of the concepts the Catholics follow date back to the Borgias interestingly there is a new series about them which is interested. Up untill them preists were allowed families

I was not putting a contrast between peodos and gay people I was simply answering what you said about peoples rights to judge etc

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and what im saying is u cannot put a contrast between Judging something which happens between 2 Concenting Adults and something which is quite often rape.

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I am sorry you saw my reply that way but you made a sweeping statement that was not correct. There are times when we have the right to judge who someone is attracted to or how people act. Not all urges are natural either. How about bestiality? thats an adult and maybe a sheep not natural and perfectly ok for us to judge the urge as wrong. Necrophillia is another...

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Again how can u put a contrast between Gays and Bestiality or Necrophillia?

as ive already stated Gays = 2 CONSENTING ADULTS as in had permission to perform sexual acts.

Ur hardly going to get consent to perform the acts from a Horse, sheep dog or even a dead body are u?

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Again I tell you I am not putting a contrast I am simply saying not all urges are natural and its ok to judge sometimes

Dogs by their very nature like to please their owners ;)

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and what im saying is u have to be careful how u judge and when u do u have to take into account the situation and who or what is involved.

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I agree with that

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Keep trying to make that look relevant if you want but to me if they had been called the Gay Adoption Agencies I'd feel the same.

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Hi Hugh CFT, I take your point on a man having the snip, I had the snip about 15 years ago on medical grounds, it doesn't stop you having fun, you just don't produce the goods.

As far as l know, in Soho, there are quite a few gay bars, IF, the the two men were kissing in a straight pub, then its up to the landlord of the pub, to act on behalf of the customer, if it was in a gay bar, then that is different.

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no it isnt. If say for example in a gay bar one bloke was performing felatio under the table to another then depending on the venue the landlord would have a right to step in and stop it. There are rules of decency for everyone. Some bars of course allow sex but then the membership would know that before entering

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How, do they have a notice on the door saying sex allowed on the premises?

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Arthur, no it wouldn't - the point of equality (and this may come as a surprise to you) is that the same rules apply to everyone....;)

btw, you had the snip "on medical grounds" - what other grounds are there - aesthetic or just for fun?:D

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oh come on dude you really aint that nieve are ya lol

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There's a pretty scantily dressed woman standing at the door, then? :)

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not if its a gay sex club lol

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erm, "gay" isn't just men, remember......

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We know. we've got the videos.

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did you see me say it was??? ......

why do you feel the need to correct things that do not need correcting? I am not stupid I am not an idiot so please do not treat me as such.....

Do me a favour and run a google search for gay sex bars and see the results. I do not know what the scene is like for lesbians but a Gay Sex Bar or club is used the vast majority of the time when reffering to men. I have no idea if women partake in such activities. Please note I was reffering to a gay sex bar not a gay bar which is "in the scene" ( as far as I can assertain) more likely to involve men hence my statement in reply to Garys scantilly clan women with not if its a gay sex club

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Also purely for research I googled lesbian sex club and got results. It appears for a reason unknown to me the "scene" uses Gay Sex Club to refer to men only establishments and Lesbian Sex Club/Party ro refer to establishments catering to females. Why well I have no idea do you?

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For what it's worth I've always regarded the term 'gay' to be more associated with men than women. I don't even use the term when talking about 2 women as opposed to 2 men.

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as I said previously in the thread Gay is just a word with many meanings. Homosexual is the word which means same gender attraction

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Zing, I wasn't correcting you, I was clarifying in relation to Gary's post

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http://www.timeout.com/london/gay/ this link is interesting no rude content. Even this site differentiates between Gay and lesbian

earlier in the thread kymmy mentioned how stats were made up grouping homosexuals and bisexuals as Gay but the scene itself in part seems to seperate Gay and Lesbian so how does that all work??

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Obviously a terminology/semantic issue - I have gay friends, both men and women, and that is their preferred term (holistic rather than differential).

YMMV.

(anyhoo, we appear to be drifting somewhat from the topic...:D)

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I just find it confusing

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As far as l am aware the Landlord of a Public house is the boss and his or her rules apply, or is everyone under the impression that wether straight or gay you can walk into any pub and do what you want - l don't think so.

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They can't impose rules that go against the law.

Oh I've just checked ... I don't think it is illegal to discriminate against customers on grounds of sexual orientation.

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when were u born the 1800s?

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Arthur is correct, up to a point. The landlord can kick anyone out of his pub and he doesn't have to give a reason.

Mind you, if he does give a reason, that reason can't be one that would breach a law such as the Equality Act, but he is certainly well within his rights to decide he wants no snogging in his pub and to act accordingly.

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I was born in 1951, and a Landlord has a duty under the licensing act to fulfil a duty which protects the paying customer, he also has a duty that IF anyone cuases a problem inside the pub, he can eject that person or persons. And if nessersary call the police to enforce it. He can also bar a customer, and that is well within his rights as a pub landlord.

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yes i understand they can kick someone out of the pub, but if its for an obvious reason of discrimination then they are well up the creek.

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u dont have to tell me, i know only to well :-)

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In my life time l have worked in many pubs and bars etc, and what the landlord say's goes.

They have to abide by licensing laws, but at the end of the day, if the landlord doesn't like it, or something is upsetting his punters, then he will act, as at the end of the day, it his him or her that will lose out.

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It "only goes" if it doesn't break the law (and not just the licencing laws, but also the laws of the land), Arthur - do try to keep up.

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In my long distant courting days I was ejected from a pub for kissing..I didn't take it as an insult..I just laughed and moved onto the next pub.

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That was a while ago though Maggy back when people had a skin, didn't take offence at anything and everything and weren't obsessed with their rights but just got on with living and shrugged things off rather than litigating. :)

Ah I miss those times, weren't that long ago :(

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Ah, we* all miss the days when casual sexism, racism, and homophobia were the order of the day, and people (working class scruffs and parvenu grammar school oiks) knew their place and didn't get "uppity".....;)

*actually, I don't.

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Not really what I said Hugh but instead taking things to the extreme.

But yes I do miss some aspects of those times, people seem to spend far too much time whining because they feel besmirched now to actually live.

OK perhaps besmirched isn't the right word given how many people don't have the word in their vocabulary. Exercising their right to be uneducated morons innit.

So they were ejected from a pub which they were leaving anyway and of course people jump on the bandwagon and feel besmirched on their behalf, who cares about what actually happened someone's rights are being brutally crushed by facism oh my God protest!!!!!

Incidentally the guy who complained about them said http://news.pinkpaper.com/NewsStory/...-fondling.aspx

A bystander said:

But hey, claiming to have been asked to leave for a 'peck on the lips' got them in the paper and got them loads of support from the online community, evidently tiring of protesting against government cuts and needing something else to occupy their time and keep their sense of offence flowing. All good.

EDIT:

No wonder he's a charity volunteer, the stress of the real world is clearly a bit much for his tender constitution. There's no mention of him being physically accosted he apparently vomited over someone being nasty to him.

The rest of us somehow managed to cope with this since nursery, possibly earlier depending on our parents.

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Actually, I agree with you about over-reactions and over-emoting (on both sides of the discussion/argument), but would also point out from the OP link I could also ask why, if the gay couple were leaving, they were thrown out?

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Personally I'm all for shrugging off other's poor attitudes and old fashioned thinking.In my case there were plenty of other pubs to go to and I didn't ever need to return to the armpit I was thrown out of.

Same goes for bed and breakfasts,hotels,nightclubs,restaurants,cinemas and anywhere else that people congregate for entertainment.Why go down the road of official complaint when a word of mouth boycott is all that's needed.;)

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thing for me though is how much better is it really now? No discipline? gangs? kids with knives gun crime? How much better is society for the liberalisation of our culture? I know there was always crime but there was an element of respect and I find that lacking in this day and age. Are not attitudes worse in some ways now than they used to be? Ok homosexuality used to be illegal but you used to have tighter community

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Actually homosexuality was not illegal in this country.

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I think it was Kymmy ,the sexual offences act decriminalised it in 1967


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_Offences_Act_1967

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It decriminalised sodomy which was originally illegal for hetrosexual couple the same as homosexual couple, in 1885 it was reclassified to just between two men. Homosexual intercourse was never illegal otherwise it would have also legislated against women and good old Queen Victoria could never imagine that two women would want to have sex. Also homosexuality is the attraction and not the sexual act. So homosexuality was never illegal in this country

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I don't know Zing.

However I suspect that for every good issue in the 40s,50s and 60s there were some equally awful ones.Yes commuinities might have been tighter but there was no reliable contraception,backstreet abortionists,homosexuals were in danger of imprisonment and the divorce laws were draconian and not easy to obtain and racial and sexual equality were not enshrined in law..
Rose coloured specs can make things look better than they were.

The only thing I can say was better then was childhood.Kids could climb trees,skin their knees get dirty and be away from home for hours unsupervised and they didn't get into trouble with the law.

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It was illegal.Yes lesbianism was not because Vick didn't believe it possible(being thoroughly and firmly heterosexual in nature)so that bit was never law.The other was..and many people were prosecuted as a result.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_Offences_Act_1967

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In many ways we've liberalised but in many other ways we've gone the opposite way. Here's hoping it's just a temporary imbalance and we find an appropriate medium.

At the moment we are, without a doubt, far too far in the opposite direction to the past. Everyone too busy demanding what they see as their rights to bother to simply get on with life, brush off relatively minor obstacles and carry on. Relatively few taking responsibility as too busy demanding what they think they're entitled to.

On that note having just had a rather delicious Italian meal washed down with a very pleasing white wine and followed up with dessert wine and beer after I'm going to chill :D

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tecnically i suppose that's correct but in fact the act decriminalised "homosexual acts in private" which would include sodomy but not exclusively

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1967/60

you are correct about homosexuality being the description not the act and a clear distinction should really be made that it was homosexual acts that where illegal not being homosexual

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To be fair isn't that the sort of nit-picking atheists accuse Christians of when we say the Bible has nothing against gays, only gay sex?

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Oh dear! The sky is falling.We agree again.:erm:

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Oh lordy !!...

If a man and woman were "kissing" in a pub, and HE had his hand
up her skirt while SHE had her hand inside his jeans, wouldn't THEY
be evicted from the pub, too ?!? ... apparently/allegedly ... these
two homosexuals were doing FAR MORE than just "kissing", hence
they were asked to leave for breaking that pubs "Rules Of Cinduct",
no ? ? ? :)

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The bible says gay sex is a sin. God loves all sinners. some Christians can cure sinners.

by getting them to talk to God, I think.

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any evidence to back that up?

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well and I know I am going to get flamed here but abortion is far to easy to get nowadays. I will never ever agree that abortion is ever right when used as contraception IE morning after pill and I will never agree that abortion is right for women who just caught by mistake. Spread your legs with no protection you made the choice you should bare the consequences its murder in my eyes.The only time I my opinion is a bit different is where health is at risk

The back street abortions were due to society not accepting single women getting pregnant I do think the change there is good except for those who do it to get housed and benefit

Well marriage is a contract and being a victim of a cheating woman who got away scott free maybe divorce should be harder to get now

Well you only have to see the influx of immigrants and how soft this country is for me I think racial equality although fair should not mean those native to this country have less rights in certain situations than those who were either born abroad or are children of those born abroad.

I know my views will be distasteful to some but I am honest and not afraid to voice my opinion

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The Bible also claims that Slavery and Prostitution are ok does that mean we should live by their rules also?

The bible is nothing more than a bunch of stories written by Hypocrits that just wanted people to live by what they wanted while they proberbly did the complete opposite. Take the catholic church, HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN!, yeah but having it off with little boys seems rife and it dates back years and even the Pope himself tried to block police looking into it and proof came about when a letter from the Pope came to light telling the priests, cardinals etc NOT to cooperate with the Police. Typical Religion, Followers must follow what we say but we can do what we like.

Religion is for fools, God loves everyone and made me who i am and if he wishes to Judge me for who i am when i go then so be it, but no one else will.

Re: Gay couple claim they were ejected from pub for kissing
 

Incorrect and ignorant generalisations are also for fools.

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But here you are expressing a religious belief. Does that make you a fool as well?

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Wrong but Christ forgave Mary Magdalene and taught repentance and change in Christs name would bring forgiveness to all

Well the Catholic church has repressed its priests sexually since the days of the Borgia's due to the fact the wealth of the church was kept in the family and I agree how they act with the kiddie fiddlers is appalling. Time for change in the rules I think specially seeing as ex COE priests who left after they allowed women to be ordained are allowed to be married and have families


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Yeah with Chris here .An oxymoron if ever I saw one this is possibly the funniest thing I have seen in a long time

Re: Gay couple claim they were ejected from pub for kissing
 

He is, up to a point.

It's worth remembering that when you go into a pub or shop, you are allowed in because the landlord/manager/owner has allowed you in. You do not have an automatic right to be there. The owner has the ultimate right, but the manager or landlord can act in their absence. We were actually told when I worked for Blockbuster (the small Express store I worked in rarely had a manager on duty) that if we felt uncomfortable dealing with a customer we were within our rights to ask them to leave.

Of course, that does not mean we could ask them to leave based purely upon their race, gender or sexuality. We had to operate within the confines of the law.