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RobboEdin 01-04-2011 18:49
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Originally Posted by mersey70 (Post 35204162)
Excellent point and one that is rarely mentioned.

The insistence on XL is a barrier to many, I roughly calculated its around £140 a year more for someone on L to upgrade to XL and well over £200 a year more for someone on M+.

I have read it will be opened up top other tiers eventually and it needs to be, the last thing VM should be doing is being even more restrictive on pricing.

I'm convinced it's the online capabilities that will sell Tivo not the UI so tier of service shouldn't matter. They should look at this sooner rather than later.
It has already been stated that TiVo will be available on TV M+ and TV L (not TV M) but with a TiVo monthly charge of £8.

It is not unreasonable to let TV XL customers be the first to get access to TiVo. When TV XL customers' takeup of TiVo starts reducing, I'm sure it will be opened up to the lower tiers.

mersey70 01-04-2011 18:49
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35204163)
That's why it's good to have a high capacity fibre optic connection, not those ancient telephone wires :D

Connected content will be on top of the normal TV watching, but Youview will have it and Virgin will have it, so sky will need to get it at some stage. I'm sure they will, but those telephone wire broadband speeds (that have to be shared with the rest of the households streaming needs), won't be on their side (compared to Tivo's dedicated 10meg that can be upped to 20meg) download speed.
Sky have already got it my friend, it's called Anytime+.

And I hate to point this out but YouView will be predominantly relying on those telephone lines you refer to!

muppetman11 01-04-2011 18:51
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35204163)
That's why it's good to have a high capacity fibre optic connection, not those ancient telephone wires :D

Connected content will be on top of the normal TV watching, but Youview will have it and Virgin will have it, so sky will need to get it at some stage. I'm sure they will, but those telephone wire broadband speeds (that have to be shared with the rest of the households streaming needs), won't be on their side (compared to Tivo's dedicated 10meg that can be upped to 20meg) download speed.
It still bottlenecks when everybody's trying to access it what with TIVO being used , 50 meg , 100 meg , 200 meg should make peak time interesting , you may have a house streaming lovefilm on TIVO , multiple computers on, should make an interesting peak time traffic jam.

clayts 01-04-2011 18:53
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No - £200 is just too much to fork out. I'm sure if they introduced a system to pay the cost over say 6 months or so people would go for it - I know I would.

Looks like the clunky old SA will be here for a while yet, sadly.

mersey70 01-04-2011 18:53
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
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Originally Posted by RobboEdin (Post 35204165)
It has already been stated that TiVo will be available on TV M+ and TV L (not TV M) but with a TiVo monthly charge of £8.

It is not unreasonable to let TV XL customers be the first to get access to TiVo. When TV XL customers' takeup of TiVo starts reducing, I'm sure it will be opened up to the lower tiers.
I didn't know that, very wise move so long as it's done in a timely fashion.

richard1960 01-04-2011 18:55
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35204167)
It still bottlenecks when everybody's trying to access it what with TIVO being used , 50 meg , 100 meg , 200 meg should make peak time interesting , you may have a house streaming lovefilm on TIVO , multiple computers on, should make an interesting peak time traffic jam.
Plenty of hypothesis there, but uintil its all up and running they may not have any bearing on TiVo streaming,however if i was on sky myself the ancient copper wire where i live only delivers 1-1.5mb maximum quite what they would deliver over that sort of connection is anyones guess.

The email i got makes no difference however i will not consider it until the Red Button function is up and running.

RobboEdin 01-04-2011 18:58
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
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Originally Posted by mersey70 (Post 35204174)
I didn't know that, very wise move so long as it's done in a timely fashion.
It's in the small print of the offer made to pre-registered customers:

"New 12-month minimum term contract applies. 1TB TiVo box: you must take, or upgrade to, TV XL to be eligible. If you cease to be an XL TV customer, we reserve the right to charge you the then applicable monthly TiVo charge (currently £8 for TV L or M+). TiVo is not available on TV M."

muppetman11 01-04-2011 18:59
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
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Originally Posted by richard1960 (Post 35204176)
Plenty of hypothesis there, but uintil its all up and running they may not have any bearing on TiVo streaming,however if i was on sky myself the ancient copper wire where i live only delivers 1-1.5mb maximum quite what they would deliver over that sort of connection is anyones guess.
Agree fully mate ancient technology , and VM BB is miles better than the BT copper network however with all that bandwidth being used from TIVO, customers on 50 meg - 200 meg could cause some peak time issues , VM already have areas what are vastly oversubscribed.

mersey70 01-04-2011 18:59
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Originally Posted by richard1960 (Post 35204176)
Plenty of hypothesis there, but uintil its all up and running they may not have any bearing on TiVo streaming,however if i was on sky myself the ancient copper wire where i live only delivers 1-1.5mb maximum quite what they would deliver over that sort of connection is anyones guess.
Indeed but the same could be said for the 40-50% of the country not served by VM.

If you have a slow ADSL line you are snookered, even more if you don't live in a cabled area.

Peter_ 01-04-2011 19:00
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35204183)
200 meg could cause some peak time issues , VM already have areas what are vastly oversubscribed.
Why do you think the 100Mb rollout is being done quite slowly and once we start rolling out 200Mb the network should be a lot more stable.

muppetman11 01-04-2011 19:03
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Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35204185)
Why do you think the 100Mb rollout is being done quite slowly and once we start rolling out 200Mb the network should be a lot more stable.
Hopefully you are correct , however there has already been a VM tech on here who stated the network will be working hard with TIVO and faster speed BB connections , as it is now there are many on oversubscribed UBR's.

richard1960 01-04-2011 19:05
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
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Originally Posted by mersey70 (Post 35204184)
Indeed but the same could be said for the 40-50% of the country not served by VM.
Where i live distance from the exchange on ADSL is the key issue as it is for all others who live here,not having vm is one thing but that need not be a problem if BTs network delivered constant speeds regardless of distance.

Although i agree many do not have access to cable broadband,just noticed your edit and yes your snookered even more if you live in a slow ADSL area and do not hae cable broadband double whammy really.

passingbat 01-04-2011 19:06
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35204167)
It still bottlenecks when everybody's trying to access it what with TIVO being used , 50 meg , 100 meg , 200 meg should make peak time interesting , you may have a house streaming lovefilm on TIVO , multiple computers on, should make an interesting peak time traffic jam.
The Tivo internet connection is completely separate from the VM broadband you use for normal internet connectivity. What Tivo streams doesn't affect any other streaming from computers and the like.

muppetman11 01-04-2011 19:08
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35204190)
The Tivo internet connection is completely separate from the VM broadband you use for normal internet connectivity. What Tivo streams doesn't affect any other streaming from computers and the like.
Still over the network, so still contributes to contention issues.

Peter_ 01-04-2011 19:10
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35204190)
The Tivo internet connection is completely separate from the VM broadband you use for normal internet connectivity. What Tivo streams doesn't affect any other streaming from computers and the like.
It is not a standard 10Mb connection either.;)

passingbat 01-04-2011 19:20
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
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Originally Posted by mersey70 (Post 35204166)
Sky have already got it my friend, it's called Anytime+.

And I hate to point this out but YouView will be predominantly relying on those telephone lines you refer to!
But Anytime+ is restricted to Sky content. Youview and VM can have content from anyone they want to.

I know Youview will be relying on those telephone wires for non VM customers (kind of obvious), though some may have BT infinity. That's why, if you're a youview viewer in a VM area, you're best to get VM broadband or BT infinitey if that's available. Sky ADSL is not a good choice if the other two options are available.

DaBoz 01-04-2011 19:40
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35204147)
Let's see if your saying this when the majority are on TIVO and your all streaming content at 7pm at night , I'll stick to it being delivered through my satellite system.
From the survey here, surely that won't be a problem.

muppetman11 01-04-2011 19:42
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Originally Posted by DaBoz (Post 35204214)
From the survey here, surely that won't be a problem.
I was referring to when it became the main box in the majority of houses.

DaBoz 01-04-2011 19:44
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35204215)
I was referring to when it became the main box in the majority of houses.
My tongue was firmly planted in cheek

muppetman11 01-04-2011 19:46
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[QUOTE=DaBoz;35204216]My tongue was firmly planted in cheek[/QUOTE]

:D:D

eugene 01-04-2011 20:39
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I'm gonna leave it till its cheap, I appreciate that may be ages. Its a good product and probably worth the money with a 1TB drive but times are tight at the moment. I'm happy with V+HD for now.

muppetman11 02-04-2011 09:26
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35204142)
That's why I said "You make good points for the present situation,". Sky is content king the way people watch TV now.

But the way content is being delivered is changing. People are watching content via online sources, and in that respect, Tivo is way ahead of the opposition, including Sky. Now, how long it will take for that to become more popular is hard to say. Apparantly the growth in TV sales is not in 3D sets, but in 'connected' TVs.

I suspect Sky will have another box in development, but when you look at future content delivery, ATM, Sky are behind.
You've kind of answered your own question here , if online content and streaming is your thing why pay for TIVO with a monthly fee and XL fee when theres connected TV's , blu-ray , games consoles and youview and Google TV around the corner all sub free.

mersey70 02-04-2011 11:35
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35204200)
But Anytime+ is restricted to Sky content. Youview and VM can have content from anyone they want to.

I know Youview will be relying on those telephone wires for non VM customers (kind of obvious), though some may have BT infinity. That's why, if you're a youview viewer in a VM area, you're best to get VM broadband or BT infinitey if that's available. Sky ADSL is not a good choice if the other two options are available.
Anytime+ is not restricted to Sky content at all, you really need to look at the service before passing those sorts of comments.

So EVERYONE is better getting VM (or Infinity) broadband for YouView eh? I think a 10mb VM customer like me might soon fall foul of the traffic management policy and possibly day in and day out too. A 1.5Gb download limit between 4-9 would soon be gobbled up using YouView, especially HD streaming and when you get reduced to 2.5mb for 5 hours you simply won't be able to stream HD. That's no criticsm of VMs's 10mb service as I have it and it's great, it's a crticism of your unconsidered post. On the other hand Sky's LLU service is totally uncapped so if you live in an area that benefits from fast ADSL it is a great service and perfect for YouView.

passingbat 02-04-2011 12:42
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Originally Posted by mersey70 (Post 35204414)
Anytime+ is not restricted to Sky content at all, you really need to look at the service before passing those sorts of comments.
So, what non Sky content does anytime have and do you think it is capable of having the same range of content that VM Tivo can potentially have?

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Originally Posted by mersey70 (Post 35204414)
So EVERYONE is better getting VM (or Infinity) broadband for YouView eh? I think a 10mb VM customer like me might soon fall foul of the traffic management policy and possibly day in and day out too. A 1.5Gb download limit between 4-9 would soon be gobbled up using YouView, especially HD streaming and when you get reduced to 2.5mb for 5 hours you simply won't be able to stream HD. That's no criticsm of VMs's 10mb service as I have it and it's great, it's a crticism of your unconsidered post. On the other hand Sky's LLU service is totally uncapped so if you live in an area that benefits from fast ADSL it is a great service and perfect for YouView
You do make a valid point, and you're right, it was a consideration I forgot about that I should have included for broadband provider.

It will be interesting to see what effect this has on all the BB companies with regard to downloading allowances when content streaming takes of with the Youview and such launches. Tivos dedicated BB connection should be free of the download limitations presumably, which will be another advantage of the Tivo connected functionality.

---------- Post added at 12:42 ---------- Previous post was at 12:31 ----------

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35204347)
You've kind of answered your own question here , if online content and streaming is your thing why pay for TIVO with a monthly fee and XL fee when theres connected TV's , blu-ray , games consoles and youview and Google TV around the corner all sub free.
It's all a bit of guess work ATM, but because we're paying VM for a service, it's possible that they can do deals with the likes of Lovefilm, Spotify etc to get reduced subscription rates. It would be good for VM and Lovefilm/Spotify to do such a deal. It's not dissimilar to the way ESPN can be included in XLTV free of charge.

You can get music and film services now; I can get the Sony film and music service via my Sony BR player, but they are expensive in my view.

I suspect that the difference that paid for services like Tivo can offer compared to youview are similar to the differences between having regular Freeview TV and a pay TV service. Cindy Rose has said there will be 100 apps on Tivo within a year.

But all this is a bit of guesswork until the apps start appearing on Tivo and Youview is launched.

muppetman11 02-04-2011 12:52
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Lovefilm is a pay service but is available on connected TV's , connected blu-ray players and ps3 and probably youview.

passingbat 02-04-2011 13:19
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35204478)
Lovefilm is a pay service but is available on connected TV's , connected blu-ray players and ps3 and probably youview.
Yes it is, but you have to be a lovefilm subscriber to get it. It only streams the free film and most, though not all of the well known ones are older ones. As a freebie it's excellent. I would think Lovefilm would happily launch on VM with that scenario as they've said they want to get on as many connected platforms as possible.

But VM may be able to do a different deal with Lovefilm ---- reduced subscription rates and the ability to stream the films you would otherwise get through the post? ATM I believe VOD rights that Sky have got tied up could prevent some of this, but that is being investigated and now Lovefilm are fully owned by Amazon, they have more finacial clout to go up against Sky.

Of course, it doesn't have to be lovefilm, there could be other film providers that would want to do such a deal; there could even be lovefilm plus other providers

muppetman11 02-04-2011 13:21
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Lovefilm is only in SD no HD steaming.

passingbat 02-04-2011 13:39
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35204514)
Lovefilm is only in SD no HD steaming.
I know. and it's stereo rather than 5.1 audio.

But this will change over time and in my view it's more likely to change or become available on a pay platform with a dedicated interenet connection of at least 10meg, capable of going to 20meg.

muppetman11 02-04-2011 13:55
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35204531)
I know. and it's stereo rather than 5.1 audio.

But this will change over time and in my view it's more likely to change or become available on a pay platform with a dedicated interenet connection of at least 10meg, capable of going to 20meg.
You seem to be under some false hope that Lovefilm will prioritise TIVO customers over other connected devices , which will not happen as more people will always use the Lovefilm streaming service via other connected devices. The Lovefilm service will be the same service it provides to other devices and yes HD will come eventually although not for a while.

mersey70 02-04-2011 13:59
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[QUOTE=passingbat;35204460]So, what non Sky content does anytime have and do you think it is capable of having the same range of content that VM Tivo can potentially have?





Sky Anytime+ has content from ESPN, Discovery, History, Nat Geo and many more broadcasters in addition to content from Sky's own channels. Clearly they are looking at getting BBC content on board otherwise why would they be complaining about the interface the BBC insist on, time will tell.

But really I have no idea what it will provide in the future, I suspect you don't know what Tivo will provide in future either. Potential is a wonderful thing and Tivo has bags of that but as things stand you can watch absolutely nothing with Tivo that you cannot watch with a 10 year old Pace V Box, in SD anyway.

I suspect Tivo will provide much more in future but like you I am merely speculating on that point. But remember that content comes at a price, that's why Sky charge for HD. Tivo needs unique Pay content for it to be a success, not catch up and LoveFilm that I can get on my PC or connected TV now. And certainly not YouTube.

All of which will quite possibly be provided by YouView.

passingbat 02-04-2011 14:12
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35204542)
You seem to be under some false hope that Lovefilm will prioritise TIVO customers over other connected devices , which will not happen as more people will always use the Lovefilm streaming service via other connected devices. The Lovefilm service will be the same service it provides to other devices and yes HD will come eventually although not for a while.
I'm not under any false impression, I've said several times we're looking to future developments, that are currently unknown. This is the route VM took to prioritise BB connectivity, because connected content is the way of the future and VM with fast broadband and Tivo are set up for that future.

Again, I've said it doesn't have to be Lovefilm; there are other film providers out there.

mersey70 02-04-2011 14:17
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35204556)
I'm not under any false impression, I've said several times we're looking to future developments, that are currently unknown. This is the route VM took to prioritise BB connectivity, because connected content is the way of the future and VM with fast broadband and Tivo are set up for that future.

Again, I've said it doesn't have to be Lovefilm; there are other film providers out there.
Indeed, wait and see.

I think it important to clear up any misconceptions about what Sky Anytime+ is providing, and providing right now.

A lot of what Tivo can do is being done right now and not just by Sky. It needs something unique because as you quite rightly say YouView is on it's way and I personally think it is going to be a massive success.

muppetman11 02-04-2011 14:19
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35204556)
I'm not under any false impression, I've said several times we're looking to future developments, that are currently unknown. This is the route VM took to prioritise BB connectivity, because connected content is the way of the future and VM with fast broadband and Tivo are set up for that future.

Again, I've said it doesn't have to be Lovefilm; there are other film providers out there.
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Originally Posted by mersey70 (Post 35204561)
Indeed, wait and see.

I just thought it important to clear up any misconceptions about what Sky Anytime+ is providing, and providing right now.
And the fact that the Sky+hd box is a connected device the same way Youview will be. Is it possible Iplayer hasn't arrived on Sky due to the fact Anytime+ is only available to Sky BB customers , but the Beeb have to make it available on a service to all.

passingbat 02-04-2011 14:20
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[QUOTE=mersey70;35204546
Sky Anytime+ has content from ESPN, Discovery, History, Nat Geo and many more broadcasters in addition to content from Sky's own channels. Clearly they are looking at getting BBC content on board otherwise why would they be complaining about the interface the BBC insist on, time will tell.

.[/QUOTE]

By saying 'Sky content.' I assumed you would take it to mean all the TV channels available on Sky. so what you say is available, is what i understood to be available on anytime+ anyway.

But with the present sky boxes, they can't add content from other places such as Lovefilm, Youtube etc., which is the point I was making.

muppetman11 02-04-2011 14:23
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35204566)
By saying 'Sky content.' I assumed you would take it to mean all the TV channels available on Sky. so what you say is available, is what i understood to be available on anytime+ anyway.

But with the present sky boxes, they can't add content from other places such as Lovefilm, Youtube etc., which is the point I was making.
How do you know that ? Maybe a future update.

passingbat 02-04-2011 14:28
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35204565)
And the fact that the Sky+hd box is a connected device the same way Youview will be. .
It is a connected device but it can't add Youtube, Lovefilm etc. They will need new software to have Tivo/Youview functionality.

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I personally think it is going to be a massive success.

I agree.

muppetman11 02-04-2011 14:30
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35204569)
It is a connected device but it can't add Youtube, Lovefilm etc. They will need new software to have Tivo/Youview functionality.




I agree.
And your knowledge of software is ?

passingbat 02-04-2011 14:31
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35204567)
How do you know that ? Maybe a future update.
We were talking about current box functionality. And i've said that I'm sure Sky have something in development, but as it stands now, Sky boxes lack functionality Tivo has already and Youview will have.

You seem to have gone from someone with neutral/ballanced opinions to defending everything sky has or does.

muppetman11 02-04-2011 14:34
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35204573)
We were talking about current box functionality. And i've said that I'm sure have something in development, but as it stands now, Sky boxes lack functionality Tivo has already and Youview will have.

You seem to have gone from someone with neutral/ballanced opinions to defending everything sky has or does.
Just defending the tosh your coming out with. TiVo doesn't have Lovefilm and didn't have Iplayer however the code was written , sky's box didn't have anytime.+ until a software update. Your basic theory seems to be that the Sky+HD box is at it's limits without support to back that up. And this is all coming from the TIVO fanboy.

mersey70 02-04-2011 14:36
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35204566)
By saying 'Sky content.' I assumed you would take it to mean all the TV channels available on Sky. so what you say is available, is what i understood to be available on anytime+ anyway.

But with the present sky boxes, they can't add content from other places such as Lovefilm, Youtube etc., which is the point I was making.
Indeed, that's not to say they cannot be added at some point and to the existing HD kit by software upgrades. Personally I doubt Sky would bother with them though as they are widely available elsewhere, my TV has LoveFilm and as for YouTube! As you said connected TV's are selling like hot cakes so where's the great advantage for Sky to have it? they have a massive library of films anyway, 500 are available anytime you like and PPV is available too whenever you like.

Remember that Anytime+ wasn't available this time last year, the software was merely updated to accomodate it.

It is unique content that really gets sub's sold, not hardware, not LoveFilm and certainly not YouTube. I really hope Tivo has a wide range of unique content at it's disposal, otherwise I fear it will not be as big a success as some people think.

passingbat 02-04-2011 14:36
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35204571)
And your knowledge of software is ?
Very low, but I'm sure that Sky will have to rewrite the software to add apps. Obvious really.

muppetman11 02-04-2011 14:37
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35204576)
Very low, but I'm sure that Sky will have to rewrite the software to add apps. Obvious really.
I never said they wouldn't.

mersey70 02-04-2011 14:43
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35204577)
I never said they wouldn't.

Recommendations are being added later this year to the Sky HD planner based of viewing habits, sounds awful familiar!

passingbat 02-04-2011 14:49
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Originally Posted by mersey70 (Post 35204580)
Recommendations are being added later this year to the Sky HD planner based of viewing habits, sounds awful familiar!
If Sky didn't respond to the Tivo functionality, they would be foolish. And one thing we know is; Rupert isn't foolish.

mersey70 02-04-2011 14:53
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35204584)
If Sky didn't respond to the Tivo functionality, they would be foolish. And one thing we know is; Rupert isn't foolish.
I don't think for one moment they will go overboard adding functionality though, Joe Bloggs isn't bothered about thumbs up's or down's and definitely not if he has to pay for it.

But they will go overboard buying exclusive content because they know Joe Bloggs WILL pay for it.

In droves.

TheDon 02-04-2011 14:54
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35204565)
And the fact that the Sky+hd box is a connected device the same way Youview will be. Is it possible Iplayer hasn't arrived on Sky due to the fact Anytime+ is only available to Sky BB customers , but the Beeb have to make it available on a service to all.
No.
Iplayer hasn't arrived on Sky because the BBC want iplayer to have congruency across all platforms. To offer iplayer you have to offer it within a strictly controlled environment that follows the look and control of the other iplayer services. Sky don't want to do that, they want to just throw all the content in their own interface.

muppetman11 02-04-2011 14:59
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35204584)
If Sky didn't respond to the Tivo functionality, they would be foolish. And one thing we know is; Rupert isn't foolish.
Anyway hope you enjoy your TIVO :D

mersey70 02-04-2011 15:03
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
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Originally Posted by TheDon (Post 35204587)
No.
Iplayer hasn't arrived on Sky because the BBC want iplayer to have congruency across all platforms. To offer iplayer you have to offer it within a strictly controlled environment that follows the look and control of the other iplayer services. Sky don't want to do that, they want to just throw all the content in their own interface.
BTV Vision offers a BBC Catch Up service that isn't branded as i-player, rather BBC Replay. It uses their own UI.

BT are implementing a full i-player though.

I suspect there will be some ground given by Sky and the BBC but there's probably more to it than meets the eye anyway, there always is with Sky.

telegramsam 02-04-2011 16:30
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaMac (Post 35203337)
I voted no i wont, i really wont pay nearly £200 for this product, we watch a fair bit of telly, but i just cant see a scenario where TiVo would fit into our life, the ability to record and catch up, plus watch films and Footy suits us fine, the bigger hard drive would be good.. but not at silly prices like that.
No I wont pay the amount virgin are asking and I hope the majority of others do the same. I few take up the offer then virgin will have to reduce the cost or be stuck with a white elephant!

Peter_ 02-04-2011 16:33
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35204651)
No I wont pay the amount virgin are asking and I hope the majority of others do the same. I few take up the offer then virgin will have to reduce the cost or be stuck with a white elephant!
That will not happen.;)

DaBoz 02-04-2011 16:51
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35204574)
Just defending the tosh your coming out with. TiVo doesn't have Lovefilm and didn't have Iplayer however the code was written , sky's box didn't have anytime.+ until a software update. Your basic theory seems to be that the Sky+HD box is at it's limits without support to back that up. And this is all coming from the TIVO fanboy.
Given that VM is rolling out a new box with TiVo functionality, and they didn't just put TiVo code on V+ box, I would assume the hardware needed to be beefed up in some way. They're not simple PC architecture underneath.

Fair to assume Sky+HD box wouldnt host TiVo code. Maybe it can take new apps tho.

Peter_ 02-04-2011 16:53
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaBoz (Post 35204677)
Given that VM is rolling out a new box with TiVo functionality, and they didn't just put TiVo code on V+ box, I would assume the hardware needed to be beefed up in some way. They're not simple PC architecture underneath.

Fair to assume Sky+HD box wouldnt host TiVo code. Maybe it can take new apps tho.
Not possible with the present hardware.

DaBoz 02-04-2011 16:58
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35204681)
Not possible with the present hardware.
Sky+HD wont take new apps at all? Hmm, shame for Sky

Peter_ 02-04-2011 17:01
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaBoz (Post 35204685)
Sky+HD wont take new apps at all? Hmm, shame for Sky
Talking about the Vboxes above that.;)

TheDon 02-04-2011 17:01
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mersey70 (Post 35204593)
BTV Vision offers a BBC Catch Up service that isn't branded as i-player, rather BBC Replay. It uses their own UI.

BT are implementing a full i-player though.

I suspect there will be some ground given by Sky and the BBC but there's probably more to it than meets the eye anyway, there always is with Sky.
Both BT Vision and VM got in early with iplayer though, since then the BBC trust have reviewed the syndication policy, and it's now a case of you have to offer one of their standard players, there's no middle ground of offering the content on anything but a version of iplayer anymore.

Sky have only recently complained that the BBC won't bow down to them and make them their own version.

muppetman11 02-04-2011 17:04
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDon (Post 35204688)
Both BT Vision and VM got in early with iplayer though, since then the BBC trust have reviewed the syndication policy, and it's now a case of you have to offer one of their standard players, there's no middle ground of offering the content on anything but a version of iplayer anymore.

Sky have only recently complained that the BBC won't bow down to them and make them their own version.
whatever happens it will arrive at some stage in some form.

passingbat 02-04-2011 17:20
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35204574)
And this is all coming from the TIVO fanboy.
Isn't a fanboy someone who thinks everything about a particular product is perfect despite people pointing out shortcomings?

Check my posts on how I think V+ handles padding better than Tivo and that the V+ padding system should be implememted on Tivo. Also my concern over Tivo SD performance.

Anyone who thinks Sky HD boxes have as much functionality as the current Tivo box, is not looking at the functionality properly and, surely, they would better fit the description of a fanboy?

And I've said this a few times; I'm comparing boxes as they stand now and ones announced (Youview) with regard to functionality. I've also said I fully expect Sky have something in development to compete.

DaBoz 02-04-2011 17:21
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35204687)
Talking about the Vboxes above that.;)
Oh, thanks for confirming my assumption on V+.

muppetman11 02-04-2011 17:25
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35204705)
Isn't a fanboy someone who thinks everything about a particular product is perfect despite people pointing out shortcomings?

Check my posts on how I think V+ handles padding better than Tivo and that the V+ padding system should be implememted on Tivo. Also my concern over Tivo SD performance.

Anyone who thinks Sky HD boxes have as much functionality as the current Tivo box, is not looking at the functionality properly and, surely, they would better fit the description of a fanboy?

And I've said this a few times; I'm comparing boxes as they stand now with regard to functionality. I've also said I fully expect Sky have something in development to compete.
But you don't know what Sky's box is capable of that's all I'm saying , in the back of this months Sky mag it states with more innovations to come so Sky must be confident in it , and i never slated TIVO just merely said apps were available elsewhere.

passingbat 02-04-2011 17:39
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35204705)
I'm comparing boxes as they stand now and ones announced (Youview) .
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35204712)
But you don't know what Sky's box is capable of that's all I'm saying , in the back of this months Sky mag it states with more innovations to come .
Which part of "I'm comparing boxes as they stand now and ones announced" wasn't clear? :D

It's guesswork at the moment as what Sky will add to their current box.

Sky have got a lot of things that are better than VM, but at this point in time, Tivo (with it's faults) is way better, functionality wise, than the Sky HD box.

muppetman11 02-04-2011 17:44
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35204721)
Which part of "I'm comparing boxes as they stand now and ones announced" wasn't clear? :D

It's guesswork at the moment as what Sky will add to their current box.

Sky have got a lot of things that are better than VM, but at this point in time, Tivo (with it's faults) is way better, functionality wise, than the Sky HD box.
So as we stand TIVO has remote record apps on all major smart phones a working iPad app and full sky red button service and sky box office access, you seem to want to me to slag TIVO off which I won't it's clever technology but as I said before Sky+HD is no dinosaur.

passingbat 02-04-2011 17:53
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35204723)
So as we stand TIVO has remote record apps on all major smart phones a working iPad app and full sky red button service and sky box office access, you seem to want to me to slag TIVO off which I won't it's clever technology but as I said before Sky+HD is no dinosaur.
Where have I ever asked you to slag TIVO off? :confused:

All the things you list as missing from Tivo have been announced as comming to tivo.

The unlimited apps that can be added to tivo, that currently can't be added to sky, the search and whishlist functionality and 3 recordable tumers are a few things that Tivo can do, but Sky HD can't.

TBH, this is getting pointless to me now.

muppetman11 02-04-2011 18:01
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35204721)
Which part of "I'm comparing boxes as they stand now and ones announced" wasn't clear? :D

It's guesswork at the moment as what Sky will add to their current box.

Sky have got a lot of things that are better than VM, but at this point in time, Tivo (with it's faults) is way better, functionality wise, than the Sky HD box.
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35204731)
Where have I ever asked you to slag TIVO off? :confused:

All the things you list as missing from Tivo have been announced as comming to tivo.

The unlimited apps that can be added to tivo, that currently can't be added to sky, the search and whishlist functionality and 3 recordable tumers are a few things that Tivo can do, but Sky HD can't.

TBH, this is getting pointless to me now.
Here , here to that considering we were mentioning functionality now and you announce things that are coming , I tend to try and deal in facts as they usually don't lie , the TIVO premiere has apps and the lost over 200,000 customers last quarter and their base is now down to 2 million.

passingbat 02-04-2011 18:05
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35204737)
Here , here to that considering we were mentioning functionality now and you announce things that are coming , I tend to try and deal in facts as they usually don't lie , the TIVO premiere has apps and the lost over 200,000 customers last month and their base is now down to 2 million.
We were discussing Boxes available now, that can handle connected services that have started to appear now and will grow in the future.

I see no problem distinguishing between the two concepts.

muppetman11 02-04-2011 18:11
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35204740)
We were discussing Boxes available now, that can handle connected services that have started to appear now and will grow in the future.

I see no problem distinguishing between the two concepts.
Look mate group hug this is going nowhere , TIVO is a great product and does trump Sky on tuners , we'll leave it at that LOL :D

---------- Post added at 18:11 ---------- Previous post was at 18:08 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by mersey70 (Post 35204580)
Recommendations are being added later this year to the Sky HD planner based of viewing habits, sounds awful familiar!
Were did you hear that Mersey ?

DaBoz 02-04-2011 18:13
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35204743)
Look mate group hug this is going nowhere , TIVO is a great product and does trump Sky on tuners , we'll leave it at that LOL :D
bah, no fun. I was ready for ring side seats to watch Dean vs Dean

muppetman11 02-04-2011 18:15
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaBoz (Post 35204748)
bah, no fun. I was ready for ring side seats to watch Dean vs Dean
LOL streamed live on TIVO :D

passingbat 02-04-2011 18:16
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35204743)
Look mate group hug this is going nowhere
Great idea; I'm doing a virtual hug as I type :D

DaBoz 02-04-2011 18:26
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35204750)
Great idea; I'm doing a virtual hug as I type :D
Urgh, now that I wouldn't pay for

mersey70 02-04-2011 18:30
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35204743)
Look mate group hug this is going nowhere , TIVO is a great product and does trump Sky on tuners , we'll leave it at that LOL :D

---------- Post added at 18:11 ---------- Previous post was at 18:08 ----------



Were did you hear that Mersey ?
It is on page 80 of the Sky Magazine, the big article on Sky+ HD future innovations.

passingbat 02-04-2011 18:35
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaBoz (Post 35204755)
Urgh, now that I wouldn't pay for
Don't worry, I've only been arrested for it once. Or was it twice... :D

devilincarnate 02-04-2011 19:17
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
I thought that you were up to 12 times the last time:erm::D:D:D:D:D:D:D

jodash 02-04-2011 19:27
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
yes I will

dpw65 03-04-2011 00:22
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jpa (Post 35203354)
I voted no due to being promised for months that VIP customers would be looked after!!!!!!!!!!!! £40 install is an absolute joke!!!!!!
no way, for the reason quoted above

savvychels 04-04-2011 22:30
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
Absolutely taking it, and probably two. Thought about waiting to get the 'baby' one for the 2nd tv, but decided that we like to keep stuff so hubby says go for it with 2 original ones (plus would likely be another install fee if we waited for the baby one).

passingbat 04-04-2011 23:31
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by savvychels (Post 35206250)
Absolutely taking it, and probably two. Thought about waiting to get the 'baby' one for the 2nd tv, but decided that we like to keep stuff so hubby says go for it with 2 original ones (plus would likely be another install fee if we waited for the baby one).
Same plan here.

AIDEN_23 04-04-2011 23:51
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
Going to downsize my package as I have been on VIP 50 for a couple of years but dont think it is worth the money and thats before forking out another activation fee and monthly fee. Tivo is not worth the extra simples!

Doug P 05-04-2011 11:32
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
Will have a think as am not VIP merely plus tv service. It sounds good. Hope peeps are right that it is easy to operate!

passingbat 05-04-2011 11:46
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
The price has been revised for current cusomers ordering in April, so this thread isn't really relevant to current pricing.

Now no install fee and VIP50/100 don't pay the £3 charge.

Details are on the latest tivo thread post No 100:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...-part-2-a.html

clinteastman 05-04-2011 12:28
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35206513)
The price has been revised for current cusomers ordering in April, so this thread isn't really relevant to current pricing.

Now no install fee and VIP50/100 don't pay the £3 charge.

Details are on the latest tivo thread post No 100:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...-part-2-a.html
Would be interesting to run the poll again with the new pricing in mind.

muppetman11 05-04-2011 12:39
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35206513)
The price has been revised for current cusomers ordering in April, so this thread isn't really relevant to current pricing.

Now no install fee and VIP50/100 don't pay the £3 charge.

Details are on the latest tivo thread post No 100:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...-part-2-a.html
This thread has probably helped with major U turn as VM top bods read opinions and forums according to DF.

Maybe Devilincarnate should be thanked.

passingbat 05-04-2011 12:57
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35206557)
This thread has probably helped with major U turn as VM top bods read opinions and forums according to DF.

Maybe Devilincarnate should be thanked.
I think so. The complaints were across all the relevant forums plus loads of emails to the CEO office. But this thread attached some figures to how the pricing could potentially affect take-up.

To me it was all about consistent pricing and fairness for Pre-regs, rather than the actual price and it seems VM have addressed that and should be applauded for doing so.

sixfoottwo 05-04-2011 12:59
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
Yes (Was a No before)

muppetman11 05-04-2011 12:59
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35206577)
I think so. The complaints were across all the relevant forums plus loads of emails to the CEO office. But this thread attached some figures to how the pricing could potentially affect take-up.

To me it was all about consistent pricing and fairness for Pre-regs, rather than the actual price and it seems VM have addressed that and should be applauded for doing so.
Yes true at least they listened.

devilincarnate 05-04-2011 13:25
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
Set up a new poll in regards to the new info that DF posted earlier.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...-tivo-new.html

Doug P 05-04-2011 13:25
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35206579)
Yes true at least they listened.
Yes they have reacted very well.

Doug P 05-04-2011 13:57
Re: Will you take TIVO one the email that you got today?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dazgwinn (Post 35203356)
Im not
They are takin the p**s
Dazgwinn
Not sure they are exactly doing that. This kit is hardly valueless.


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