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I don't understand this whole Tivo is too expensive chat. Rental vs Purchase blah blah blah

When Sky HD was launched, I paid £400, plus a £60 instillation fee, for the new box, on launch. On top of this I had to sign a 12 month contract, agreeing to pay £10 extra a month. A total cost of £580 for 12 months worth of HD.

To cut a long story short the box broke after 2 and a half years and Sky were a disgrace, They wanted £60 to come out and fix my problem, they then replaced my old box with a refurbished box that never worked properly and the engineer insisted on taking the Old box (one I paid £460 to have installed). I made numerous complaints and eventually moved from sky to Virgin.

In all honesty, the best comparison we can make is with Sky HD 1tb box and that's £249 plus instellation and no warranty after a year.

If i get offered Tivo at £149 with £40 install fee plus £3 a month that will be a total cost of £244 over 18 months. The box is not mine, but I have paid half what I did with Sky for there last premium product and I get a lifetime warranty/guarantee that should stop all the hassle I had with sky. That is only £64 more expensive that what sky HD would cost you extra with a free box and install.

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That's my point exactly, I don't want to have to sell a box on ebay if/when i leave, I don't want to have to phone retentions to get a out of warranty repair! I want a box that I can have replaced if faulty for the entire life of my contract. I have no idea why someone would want to own their box, to me it's madness!

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As it seems everyone agrees the fee for Tivo is an advance rental..

If someonne gets Tivo then after 3 months canceled there contract EG-Price rise. Would that customer get the "Advance rental fees" minus costs to date back?

Or is it as someone has said..VM Are making you buy the box? Because realistically how much does anyone think a VM Tivo box would retail for? I bet cost to VM is slightly less than £149 if they're buying 1 or 2 million (there will be a promise to purchase contract with cicso). Cisco wouldnt be making them unless the numbers are big.

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The difference in the purchase of the box and £149 is called profit , cannot blame VM for wanting to make a profit on this.

That £3/month fee (for XL TV customers) also covers a recurring cost VM pay to Tivo as well.

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Be realistic.

Has you dvd player broke? Your TV packed up? You computer failed? Your blu-ray player packed in?

If the product is of a half decent quality in the first place it will last a good few years.

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The upfront rental cost is for the live of your contract, there are no time restraints, short or long.

You pay a one off fee and thats it, if you buy a TV for your kids room and they go to college before warentee etc up you don't get money back from Currys, why would you expect it from VM :confused:

As to the rest of your argument it doesn't matter what VM pay for one, if you need a new one after 2-3 years etc then they have to source it as a cost to them not you :rolleyes:

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Yes tv packed in, had to buy a new one as out of warrenty, it was a 4 year old LG so good quallity.......

£800 needed to replace it......

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You pay the fee to keep the monthly cost down. VM isn't a registered charity.

It was the same with TVDrive / V+. That's why your monthly fees are just your subscription on XL.

Pay for it and get the box or don't, nobody is forcing anyone to get this!

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No the box will neverbe your property as with the V+ boxes

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Electrical equipment can fail at any time... poor example.

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£800?

Shop around. Currys have a great Samsung 42inch LCD for £399 I just bought it for my daughters bedroom.

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I am. ;)
Yes, more than once, I had to buy a new replacement first time and then got an xbox (which also faid but was under the extended warranty at the time).
Yep, have owned 3 TVs 2 of which needed replacing after they failed.
Yes, I have had countless components fail on me over the last 25 years.
Yep PS3 kicked the bucket, luckily it was under warranty.
All the products above were from top manufactures and all weren't cheap. Yes they lasted a couple to 3 years but I have been with Cable for 15 years, in that time I have been through 4 boxes that have been replaced due to fault (and one as an upgrade). Like I said, to own my cable box would have been very expensive and utterly pointless!

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Well what can I say lol your unlucky and I would advise getting your homes wiring checked.

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£800 was for a quality backlit LED not an LCD.

And what will you do if in 13 months that TV dies ? buy a new one........


Just accept that you want to own where others like I do don't ........

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£800 Does not buy a quality led lol. Our main TV is LCD backlit LED and cost £2900 an its no where near top of the range. An your backlit LED is actually a LCD.

A true LED tv would be about £10'000.

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I think actually that's quite normal, I have had things that have lasted 25+ years but that's not the norm. Take a cable box for example, they tend to be a large metal box that gets very hot and sits in a cabinet, a recipe for hardware failure.

I'm sure the majority of people on here would have similar stories to tell.

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And your are quibbling over an upfront payment for a state of the art TiVo.:confused::confused::confused::confused::conf used::confused::confused::D:D:D:D:D:D:D

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There is no need for a closed tv cabinet these days. If you're putting your AV equipment in a closed cabinet you will get high fail rates.

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I'm not quibbling, I'm smarting lol.

Your customer services person was as rude as hell NTHELL one is inclined to think. Bassically saying Yes I was miss sold but thats my fault for being duped and I need to take responsibillity for that. Oh and were not going to do anything to help you out.

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Shows what you know.:rolleyes:


You are talking OLED for those prices not LED :p:


There is a difference you know.

http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/sharp-l...82305-pdt.html is what I bought, now tell me how that is not LED ?

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Oh dear I cant see me getting through to you but here goes.


You TV has a LED matrix in the back or edge but the panel is LCD. Thats as basic as I can put it.

An I think currently the largest OLED is about 11inchs.

Instead of a standard backlight your TV has LED's as backlight. You can get LED panels (NOTE-Not led backlit) but they're crazy expensive.

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My cable box is in a cabinet by it's self with an open back and vents down the side and brushless large diameter fans in the bottom. It's designed for high end AV racks and is quite capable of cooling that and more, it's not a problem.

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LG do a 15inch OLED TV for about £1,500.

You would have a hard time finding an LED TV for £10,000.

You can get a Sony KDL-60LX903 60" LED 3D TV for about £3,500 at the moment, very nice TV.

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That tv is only LED backlite.

The truth is at the moment you cant buy a comercially availible LED tv and its would be mega costly.

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But that's what we're talking about, your not going to fit a HD res LED matrix in your front room!

Show me what your talking about because I would be quite interested in seeing an LED domestic setup, I hope you prove me wrong as I'm now intrigued.

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Perhaps there's some mixing up going on between LED enhanced LCD's and true OLED TV's I'd imagine, but am happy to be proven wrong, that a large true OLED TV might be up there nearer 5 figures. :)

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I never said anything about a LED domestic setup. I was just pointing out that £800 does not get you a high quality LED tv. It buys a lower end LED backlit LCD.

You then post the Sony declaring that was LED but it was the same as the first TV that was mention just 3D with a bigger panel. Yet you linked to it indicating it was in some way different to the first backlit tv mentioned.

I'm now intrigued as to why you posted the link to a Sony declaring it to be a LED?

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However nice looking your A/V gear is, it's still unsightly to look at in certain surroundings hence preferable to hide away. Maybe it's just me but I find most electronic boxes rather unsightly to look at, regardless of how expensive they are, so prefer to hide them out of sight. I know there are better cable management systems available these days but they still look a mess to me. I used to have A/V gear in three different rooms more "out on display" but have gradually bought, or had made, storage units to put it out of sight. (shall I say the same thing again, with yet another sentence? ;))

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[/COLOR]Maybe he didn't fully realise? :)

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There are 3 technolages being discused:
LED backlit LCD
LED Matrix
OLED (Largest domestic OLED TV will be a 31inch LG in March for about £6000)
We where talking about LED backlit TV's, why would Big-Ted be talking about having a LED Matrix setup in his front room? You said your TV was an "LCD backlit LED" which doesn't actually make sense but it's obvious what you ment just like it was obvious what Big-Ted ment when he said "LED backlit not LCD".

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I fully realise. ;)

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Ooooh, no.... can't do that.... the lady in red said I'm too early :bigcry:

Anyway, in all seriousness, I don't need educating :cool:

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I didn't really mean you, I was replying to Horizon, but you got caught up in the debate :D

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Oh hello there, you got here quick..

Well no actually i've been here before, about 3 months ago, but just came back on the off chance something might have changed, but because my name isn't john i never get a personalised message :(

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:ghugs:

So, back to the debate.... here's my tuppeneth worth...

I was expecting TiVo to be nearer £250-£300, so was pleasently suprised when I found out it was to be £149.... but then in hindsight, as we aren't buying the box, as such, then the lower upfront cost is realistic.

More than 10 years ago my s1 TiVo cost £400 and, because I couldn't afford a further £200 at that time for the lifetime-subs, the monthly subs were £10.

So I see the £149 + £3pm on a par with £10pm for a couple of years, followed by a token £3pm thereafter.
I haven't got to worry about any breakdowns after the initial 12mths (which would have been the case with a 'bought' item).

Compare this with my SkyHD box ..... paid a little short of £300.... had to have a replacement after about 18mths costing a further £65 (partly subsidised by $ky as I was still subscribed to the HD service)..... and what is it worth now, if I were to sell? No more than £100. Net cost £265.

A £149 TiVo fee is significantly cheaper.

And the £3pm sub .... unless one has had the experience of a TiVo, I don't think one truly 'understands' what TiVo offers ..... it's features/capabilities above and beyond a 'standard' PVR such as V+ are more than worth the additional £3pm.

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10 Years ago a DVD player cost £400 now a Blu-ray player can be bought for £49 in tescos and DVD player for £9.50. The fact that Tivo was £400 10 years ago only highlites what a rip off this is.

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Even as someone who is not drawn to Tivo I genuinely cannot see how £149 for a 1TB PVR can be considered expensive.

Even if it didn't have all the bells and whistles it's still very, very competitive. I understand you are tied to a high sub and there's the £3 a month charge but have a look in Argos at the cost of far lower capacity Freeview kit, they are miles more expensive.

Or more pertinently the price of Sky's 1TB box, all you are paying for is the larger capacity and once you stop subscribing it has the same functionality as a free Sky box.

Each to their own I suppose, I know you don't own it but I have come to the conclusion that argument is only valid for Freeview/Freesat PVR's which you buy, once you stop subscribing to Sky all you have is a FTA receiver despite the 1TB HDD.

I accept it has a resale value though. Your choice.

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I guess it is a good price. My sister bought a 1TB sony Freeview HD recorder for £320 online. When you think a new VM Tivo customer will pay £189 for the box £40 for the install and £3 a month to use it....ACTUALLY Theres not a lot in it.

But then I guess the VM customer gets lifetime repairs. My sis will get hers covered by house insurance.

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Don't forget though that anytime the box needs replaced VM will replace without charge unlike if you were needing a Sky HD box replaced Sky would charge you for the call out and also the box! So the costs are still a lot lower with VM.

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No, your comparison doesn't really hold up if you think about it.

The s1 TiVo was a standalone unit with an 80GB HDD .... in todays terms, the s1 TiVo is indeed worth no more than £50-£60, I agree.

However, the VM-TiVo is an all in one V+HD receiver / TiVo with 1TB HDD so worth far mare than an s1 TiVo.

My original point was that s1 being a premium product at that time, cost £400, whereas the VM-TiVo, being a premium product currently has a comparable value .... and therefore VM charging £149 upfront is nowhere near its true retail value (if it were to be available as a retal product).

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Seems like all the calls have stopped for TIVO installs.

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What makes you say that?

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http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/st...earchTerms=PVR

I don't see many below £149 and those that are I wouldn't buy :dozey:

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Had an e-mail from someone at Virgin today telling me that I will be in a draw for another set of 1000 free boxes also stating that;

I get the feeling that if you haven't been called you're in the next draw, if you don't win you'll most likely have to wait till at least march for the call. :td:

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Howe come I haven't had this email I pre registered 1st day.

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I think it's only going out to people that emailed the CEO's office.

I haven't got one and I registered as soon as the link was posted.

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Hope that doesn't mean your only entered if you contacted the CEO office.

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That's what I was thinking, now that really would be a kick in the crotch. :(

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Email contents on TiVo thread

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And conversely that if you leave VM you will be liable to pay any of these 'charges' again since you wont own anything, wheras with Sky if you have functional equipment there is no need for any charge whatsoever.