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Map only have the ccu project .does anyone know what fujitsu are like and what there pay structure is like and what vans they got when they went to work for them :)

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Its the same job for less money so far with fujitsu :dozey:

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From what I understand, Fujitsu engineers got Peugeot Partner vans, 'Super South' (McNics) all got Volkwagen Caddys and Ford Transits for two man teams. I miss my transit... :(

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i have known kellys for long enough to know that they just might be fobbing me off.and after finally getting my pay details for the year there are a few question marks.probably why they got done for fraud.no tax rebait for me.

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Im not trying to tar all kellys engineers/staff with the same brush here but I worked in three ex kellys areas last week and I can see why they have a bad name! I've also got to work in an other ex kellys area in a week or two time and from what I've heard from guys who have been up there before, its completely shocking. Sounds like the managers stayed and they are still stuck in the kellys ways!

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Does anyone know if fujitsu have kept lambs on for the constructions or have taken it in-house?

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In the areas that fujitsu have already taken over have they kept the construction and pre-pull side or outsourced it again? Surely someone must know??

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i no lambs need to go there crap in the north with the money fujitsu have got they can do a lot better

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Lambs are crap everywhere!! I hope it goes back in-house the way it was at avonline!

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i agree with tyler they cause so much problems on a day to day and to be honest would fujitsu put up with the **** i dont think they would the size of the company

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I'm surprised they haven't been forced out before now but here's hoping fujitsu do the right thing and bin them off!

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There manager has a meeting with them today and the techs had a meeting at Sheffield tonite at 8pm :)

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Biggest problem is they are keeping the same middle management and thats where the problems lie.
Same old work ethics, for thing to work better they need new management with a new outlook and different ideas and practices

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management do need to leave there all useless the 1sin the north are anyway

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BANG! Nail on the head there!

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Couldnt agree more if the tms and site managers stay the same as they always do when new contracts are signed its just the same old stuff just a new company. These companies need to realise that the lads have no confidence in the managment that is already in place as they are just in it for there own well being and couldnt give 2 hoots about the lads.

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Has anyone been taken over by fujitsu yet? How are they compared to map or is there no change yet?

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been told up in the north they will be no changes for the next 6 months

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were do you get your info from ? wait and see

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the old tms are gonna be remanaged when the transition is done nationwide which will be about september. then fujitsu eyes will be on everyone including tm's they have taken on. Like they said in there inductions ADOPT and ADAPT and it will be ok. I worked for kellys for many many years and am looking forward to the change. its gonna take at least a year or two for evrything to be settled and to know where you stand. Believe me they wont be taking on muppets!! I know folk who work for this company doing other things and they get proper looked after!!
but lads, paid holidays mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!

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Being managed by yes men that have no idea whats its like to do our job, no equipment we install is the same as when they last did an installation. A new contractor that prides themselves on always getting pay right and making sure you have what you need for the job!!! just jobs for the boys and all below middle management are expendable

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Hi All I've been offered a position with Kelly on the BTopenreach network, conditions are £21.000 - £28.000, Monday to Friday for 4 minmum of installs a day, van fuel card Blackberry. I'm after some feedback to see if it is worth moving from VM/Mcnicholas?

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Have you started at the beginning of this thread, There are a good few posts about the open reach job.

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Yeah had a quick look some good some bad! I was hoping to hear from anyone actually working for Kellys on BTopenreach to see what the job is like!

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hi, i'm a new member on this site, but have been looking at the forum for years.the rates of pay and benefits you quote are correct. i've been working for kelly on this contract for a couple of months now and it is a whole new world compared to working on cable tv. i have been fully trained by proper trainers in a good training centre - paid full wage and put up in decent accomadation. i was then sent to field with an experienced tech who helped me with the stuff you need to know in the BT network. i am now doing 4 - 5 jobs a day and am finished and home for 6 at the latest. i am now on target to get the £28.000 and lovin my job!

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McNicholas will be gone in the next 6 month, Fujitsu have moved to Phase 2 which has took over the rest of the company, They now own South Hampton, All the way upto Scotland, Including Wales and Ireland. Fujitsu are employing another 150-200 more people so they can get rid of McNicholas all together, They were saying today they are paying them way over what they should be and are concentrating on just have the Map Group UK employee's only.

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I have also been offered a job with Kelly's this morning on the BT contract residential installs working in Manchester & Sunderland.
Working on the VM contracts at the moment.

Any Comments.

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I'd say go for it. ive no regrets!

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I am in the same boat as the cable guy. I used to work for kellys in the miidlands. Then Fujitsu got the contract!! dont know how or why!. Now I work for fujitsu and it a complete mess! I hear that Kelly have nearly 500 engineers on BT now, and it could increase to several 1000s. does anyone know if this is true? does anyone know what its like working for kellys on BT? or where to apply for a position?., thanks

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Try here

http://jobseekers.direct.gov.uk/deta...=3&j=DUA/50395

Hope this helps and good luck

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Here is why http://www.fujitsu.com/uk/news/pr/ftel_20110307.html. Has it dawned on you that these guys are probably Kellys hired hands telling you how good it is? Kellys don't have a great track record with their people look here http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/10...neers.htmlhave never cared about their people. VM have signed up with Fujitsu because thay have a similar view on how to treat people the right way. They will even offer you a pension, will Kellys?

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Thanks Top Banana
I read the Fujitsu artical. It was obviously put together by the press office. the reality isnothing like the spin in the artical. I just spoke to a friend of a friend who is senior in VM and he said that the Sh*t has hit the fan big time in VM with the big bosses because VM have a net loss of 33,000 customers in the second quarter of tis year. he said that this is because mc nics and fujitsu have not been able to supply enough crews to carry out the installs. Both Sky and BT have significant growth during the same time frame. I am thinking of getting off the sinking ship. does anyone have any feed back on the kelly Openreach contract?

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Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. Read vm,s results to see why they suffered and accepted the number of customer losses. Get off the sinking ship as soon as possible as please as you are clearly a has been. Bye bye fool!

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The real view -

Deutsche Bank - Equity Research - Europe

Virgin Media : Shaving estimates under tougher operating conditions

Virgin Media {Ticker: VMED.L, Closing Price: 1,680.00 GBp, Target Price: 1,825.00 GBp, Recommendation: Hold}



Await improved visibility on competitive environment
VMED Q2 results were in line with cons. OCF expectations and ahead on FCF but with weaker Mobile and Business growth and poor cable customer net adds (-36k). The weaker subs can be explained by seasonality and a marketing quiet period and apparently the quality of leavers was inferior to joiners. The economy and competition were partly to blame however and we remain concerned on both. VMED has a number of product initiatives and tariff rises in the pipes and the shares are now below our TP, but we maintain Hold ahead of improving visibility.

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having worked on the busiess install side of this for over 10yrs i must say that MAP were by far the biggest bunch of tosspots going,now Ftel have taken over and employed all the Team mangers and heiracy from MAP they are using the same bully boy tactics they are not intrested in the workers just building empires,i think VM will be in deeper **** if Ftel dont get this sorted ASAP,

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cable monkey sees this from a simlar position as me! I think top banana may be one of those office based tosspots you are referring to that never goes into the field and sits in the office all googling!
Calling me a fool does not help and does not answer my question. Has anyone got any feedback on what life is like working for Kellys on the BT Openreach contract?

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Cable tvman - i responded in the way I did because your comments from an insider in VM are untrue - there are many reports about VM's loss of customers and it has nothing to do with the partnerships with Fujitsu and Mcnics. These deals were cut because they treat people like people. Re Cable Monkey - its early days into this deal but the facts are they immediatley gave everyone new vans and tools, offered all techs a pension and thats just the start. They also offered loans to people who were stung by Kellys back charges which by the way Fujitsu don't do.

Regarding Kellys Openreach - there is some stuff here, you need to go to the last page for the most recent posts. http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/10...rs-page-8.html

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Ftel have spent millions on vans and tools for a 3+1 yr contract,they are looking to take 90% of VM workers on from call center workers, planners,network engineers,PM's and the like to make sure that this becomes a permanant thing as they have both got into bed together over the new FTTH project which is worth £5billion over the next 5 years,Ftel have taken on MAP managers who have the worst reputation of treating worker like **** to ensure there targets and therefore bonus's are met,this isnt going to change in the near future,so Ftel become another MAP but on a much larger scale which wont be easy to turn round once the rot has set in

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Good lord I don't know who supplies you with information but you are wrong. Fujitsu are a Japanese company who have very high standards when it comes to employee welfare. You clearly skipped over the bit about pensions - did Map offer these - no. The managment teams will have to work in the way that both Fujitsu and VM expect. Yes VM and Fujitsu are looking at working together on certain things but thats what big companies do.

Why not carry out some research via google rather than spreading malicious gossip?

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you really are a office waller get in the real world and look at what people right about MAP they are already in at ftel some in high positions they will use the same bully boy tactics, i have worked for FTel before when they had the VM contract and they were only intrested in results,so dont give me the very high standards crap the end line is profit so get of your head from up ur arse

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Mmm - you have worked for Map and FTel and have given your view on both of them. Who is the lucky recipient of your skills next I wonder?

have worked for having worked on the busiess install side of this for over 10yrs i must say that MAP were by far the biggest bunch of tosspots going
i have worked for FTel before when they had the VM contract

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Banana Man, sitting in the big corporate office all day playing on google will not deliver a happy customer. Its us guys in the field that deliver happy customers. in my short time in fuji land all I see is a load of corporate type managers settling in for a cushy life. If I have a pound for everytime i heard the "pension" being used in the same sentence as "fujitsu" i woulnt need a pension. It now looks like i will earn significantly less here in fuji land than I did with Kellys! this doesnt make sence ! I guess the profits have to be sent back to japan!

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My friend from inside VM just called me to say its all hitting the fan again over performance! it appears I was right (as usual) we have gone from being a contracting company with an identity, all pulling together, to an insignificant part of one of the biggest companies in the world, and everyone is just putting the day down, job and knock....

he said that the the NPS quality score for VM had gone through the floor.
the contractors are ranked as follows

Comex 2%

McN 4%

Fujitsu 18%

Map 21%

Kellys 24%

so, commex are the worst and kelly are the best, It certainly felt that way when I worked for them.

Just goes to show you banana man, you can be a trillion $ company but that does not mean that you can deliver a happy customer!!!

happy googling,

PS, why do they call you banana man?

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You have no friends in VM so stop telling lies. Perhaps you and Cablemonkey are both Kellys people attempting to spread rubbish about the new companies.

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It seems fujitsu arnt all they are cracked up to be was reading some paperwork about the wages that stated all overtime and bonus points are to be paid 3months in areas. They have asked for techs to do mondays as overtime in Liverpool and they have been told where to go.

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sounds like i made the right decision by leavin catv land to work with kellys on the bt contract - 5 days a week, home for 6 at latest, treated with respect AND well paid -i cud go on............ lovin it!

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hi Tcomms
would you have a number for who to contact to in Kelly to get onto the BT contract. There are a bunch of working for fujitsu in the midlands that are not happy with the extra workload etc and uncertainty around pay. for sure we are not going to be on the deal we were promised when we left kellys. The rumours are, we are all being changed onto £14k as a standard wage, and then wait 3 months for topups bonus etc. I cant live on 14k. This must be what fuji meant by "adopt and adapt" In my world this translates to, "we will make you promises to get you on board, once we have you we are going to shaft you, and you wont be able to leave as we will always have 3 months bonus money belonging to you!!!"

Tcomms, are you prepared to say what sarary you are on at Kelly / BT?

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BT Contract on Kelly's is: 21k Basic for 3.5 jobs a day average over the month. 24k for 4 complete jobs and 28K for 4.5 completes. You get on average 6 jobs a day.

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Thanks wooly

Thats more like it!!

Are you working there? are you being treated OK etc?

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It's a million miles better than Map/Kelly Vm or VM service tech ever was. It has its moments like any job, the most annoying aspect of the job is there are circumstances that can happen which will affect your pay that you don't have any control over.

It's quality and H&S before quantiy.

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Thats how it should be,

THanks for the feedback

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Cabletvman,

if u click on this link it shouldhelp ;

http://www.kelly.co.uk/careers/view-roles

or you cud email penny.davies@kelly.co.uk

hope this helps?

Tcomms

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Thanks you very much

I will let you know how I get on

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if you really think fujitsu are no different to map then you are blinder than a bat with shades on and as for your kellys bt contract history shows they dont last long. i know where id rather be and it starts with an f

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All i can say its early days lets see whats its like in a couple of months .But when you think about it Fujitsu are a corprate company not like map where it is owend by 1 person and in it to make as much money as they can :D I have heared good and bad thinks about Map Kellys and fujitsu and have friends who work for both .Those that have gone to the BT contract have a long drive because there is no BT work in this area .

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The point people are missing is how different the working conditions are on the BT contract, and that can not slip into a "kelly's" way like the VM contract because they are very heavily monitored/audited by BT.
Once you are accredited to work on the BT network you can move to other contractors, M J Quinns, Carillion and Hays to name a few all work in the same manner. There is no comparison between the two really.
I have been on the contract now since early March, and was one of the first batch of engineers taken on. First month I received £24k prorata (£2000 gross) and since then I have been hitting targets evry month for £28K.
It's the little things like NBI's, on VM you manager would make you go back no matter what time it was to complete these, not on BT. If they are not in and your in your time slot they get billed and have to reorder, no going back to it.
There is a massive sense of team work/ethic if someone is struggling on a big job you just jump on with them so you all finish early.

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I have heard this also from friends that have gone over to the Kelly BT contract. They are all very happy and feel well paid and part of something very professional. I have arranged an interview for the back end of this week through the contacts that Tcomms posted above,



http://www.kelly.co.uk/careers/view-roles

or you cud email penny.davies@kelly.co.uk

THere are about 10 guys working with me that are no longer happy with the Fuji lies. I was not able to arrange interviews for them as i was told they all have to organise their own individually by responding to a specific advert or kelly's web site.

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Ned Kelly hit the nail on the head - one operator cares about the field guys, the other one doesnt. Nobody cared about me apart from Kelly until I wanted to leave catv land and ENJOY life elsewhere!

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Everyone is on these forums saying

Kellys are crap
Map are crap
Fujitsu are crap
McNics are crap


!!!!!!

There is a common denominator that no one is mentioning! (nor am I going to name them)

However, when it suits, they are happy to force the contractors to work 6 even 7 days per week, happy to turn a blind eye to us completing 7 or 8 even 9 jobs per day. It is impossible to complete 8 jobs per day properly!, happy to turn a blind eye to contractors staff working on their network without any training, and to watch thier contractors pay minimum wage, happy to turn a blind eye to us guys working and driving 60+ hours per week, because there are too many jobs and not enough techs

ALSO HAPPY TO TELL THEIR CONTRATORS THAT THEY ARE CRAP when it all goes wrong

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I think we all can agree we all (contractors that is, I cant vouch for in house) work in some real crappy conditions. As you say Cabletvman, It is impossible to complete 8 jobs per day properly - if they want the red button doing, bbi activations, pit guards, gas testings, cab cleaning, spending that valuable time with the customer and more done correctly, you are realistically looking at 5/6 jobs per day. We all cut corners else we will be home at god knows what time.

You are right though, there is a common denominator that we are forgetting to mention, but it costs money to enforce these conditions onto contracting partners, money they clearly dont want to spend yet happy to ram in as many installs as possible. BT on the other hand have it perfect, as mentioned in this thread, NBI's - I hate them, I've precalled you - you dont answer, I knock on your door - you dont answer. Manager tries - No answer. But he will keep on trying! That REALLY annoys me. All for his stats.

I dont know if there is any techs that attend the Crawley yard at all but a couple of weeks ago you may remember alot of traveling techs downed tools in protest of traveling nearly 1 hour to EACH, yes, EACH job everytime and working until 10pm most nights. Nothing got done about it, but it certainly got higher managements attention.

As I keep getting told, this is the way things have always been and they will never change. Shame really as its a great industry to be in, I really do enjoy it, but even I am starting to get fed up of it and thinking about hanging up my cable strippers and compressor to go look for something away from this. Such a shame :(

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I was working for Avonline for 4 years up until December last and I can tell ya it was exactly the same. It will never change its the industry.
Virgin + contract company = underpaid & overworked (is my experience and many others)

The only time they are interested in you is when your month figures are poor and up until that point they don't care if you finish at 7/8 near every night.

My advice look for a new career, my social life and regular weekly activities were virtually nil, even worse if you have a wife and family.
When I left it was a massive weight off my shoulders and my life.

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Im also an ex avonline now McNic, Beller - Still have to go up to Bristol and help out :(. I felt sorry for you guys, you was basically a hub for engineers to cover every where! Dont blame you for getting out.

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A long long time ago when i was a contractor we got paid more than in house those days were great .Then if you were offerd a job in house you had to think can i afford the pay drop :td:.Then the companys changed so did the pay then it became inhouse made more money and contractors slogged there guts out for a decent wage .These were the days where all jobs were full jobs there was no 1 man crews .VM need to sort this out look at what is going on :rolleyes:.stop saying no more than 6 jobs a day but will give out 7 to 8 to get the figures in .Like i said before its to early to see how Fujisu will evolve lets hope it for the better in this area the contractor has a very low level of staff turn over unlike some areas .

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U can't blame the contractors. Mcnics and fujitsu try there hardest for the guys. But when they keep the same bully boy managers from Kellys map avonline etc then nothing will change. Tellin u to cut corners and bodge jobs so they all go in. Then tell u Ur crap cuz Ur stats r *****. It is a good job just a shame managers think it's the army.

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Why not blame the contractor? they are the ones who bid for the contract from Virgin!!
So if they try to undercut the next company or make their bid as competitive as possible its usually the wage or the amount of staff that pays the price for competitiveness, after all the worker is the biggest cost but also their biggest asset (although you would think they forget that bit!)

The only way the industry will change (for the contractors) if there is a engineer strike across the board. As we all know these companies are nothing without the engineers, with no engineers how does the company run?
or.... get yourselves in a union like Virgins employees at least there is someone who cares a little about the welfare of an engineer

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This was not so bad a while back but due to cost cutting the work force was cut back as well as depots, like north bristol and Cots. Bristol covers a massive area teams having to do over an hour's drive to a different region to do the first job and then have the same amount of jobs as the guys who are less than 5/10/20 minutes from their first. The sensible thing to do you would think is to maybe give less to the guys who had to travel...you would think but of course no. It's pure cost cutting at the engineers expense. I know the cuts were because of company merges but this still goes on and hasn't changed

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Beller, i can see your point also, its a difficult one! I dont think anything will change with fujitsu, as far as i can see it started off like it was going to be better, but has very quickly deteriorated back to the way it was before. Every day now there are more guys saying they not happy and feel they were lied to, so a lot distrust building day by day

Watch this space!

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And it's all because the middle management hasn't changed. There is no support for technicians out in the field. The managers attitude is Get it working no matter what. Then when the **** hits the fan there is no support from the manager or virgin media and the tech gets grilled all because he was told to break the rules.

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Any idea wots happening down south with mcnics - I heard it's even worse!

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go before its too late u will never be paid a resonable wage,whilst big comapanys cut each throats and rates to do this contract,the bottom line is they will still make a tidy profit but you will make their shortfall out of your pocket,FTel are not the super fantastic company who have great work ethics for all thier staff,bottom line profit and bonuses

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sorry been away fopr the week,never worked for kelly's but worked for both ftel and map and done most of the jobs in the field,so have a decent knowledge of this subject what is your background banana

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anyone know if kellys still takin on an wat there like to work for

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There terrible down south. Morale is at an all time low

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Is that the Bristol area you are in?

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Well Its suppose to be. Working out of area at least once a week! It's just like the fujitsu guys. Mcnics made loads of promises and it's all bull. :dunce::mad:

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I used to work for m/n, tad and a little at kellys over 8 years ago in Nottingham, who are the main contractors in the Nottingham area now? any numbers/emails/websites you can throw my way would be appreciated. :)

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Is anybody working for Fujitsu at the moment? What sort of money they pay?
Thanks

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Fujitsu are the contractor that works in Notts :)

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Cheers m8, wouldn't happen to have a direct number for the Nottingham office would you? :)

Nice avatar DC those were the days :-)

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Nobody got a number/email ? :/ can't find one anywhere.

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Have Virgin have took a load of 1 man techs on in the Manchester area is this true ?

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Not sure about manchester but liverpool have taken loads on to replace the lads that went on to the cabs and bt contract. But there are more leaving the liverpool site in the near future so will need a few more

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You all need to stop moaning and get on with your jobs, at least you have a job to go to. If you left you would never get another job that pays this well and dont try and say it doesnt pay well. You lot moan when you have too much work and then moan when it goes quieter :mad:

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And that gives managers the right to bully and manipulate the engineers does it???

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And you decided to join just to post that knowing it would wind people up. Nice one :rolleyes:

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Any way back to the topic does anyone know if Virgin have took on a load of in house installers in Manchester .The contractors here have heared its a trial and virgin are looking at brining back inhouse installers :)

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you are a total prick

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Anybody know how to try and find out if there are any jobs going at Fujitsu in the Midlands. Their website isn't very easy to find anything from.

I'm trying to get into cable just to top up my satellite/IRS experience off before i shoot off to the other side of the world in the next 18 months or so.

The horror stories are not putting me off as its just purley the experience in that particular field i'm looking for.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Munch

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Wouldnt know how to apply to fujitsu. But if by Midlands you mean the Birmingham area there not horror stories theree knightmares you will be garunteed late finishes and a route from hell most days if my experience is to go by was finished handy most days though as you just have to throw the jobs in and get done.

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i heard that vm are going to do a trial where all 1 man installs are going to be done inhouse leaving the crappy work for the contractor to do............

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high street burger chains pay better

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[QUOTE=Tcomms;35302000]i heard that vm are going to do a trial where all 1 man installs are going to be done inhouse leaving the crappy work for the contractor to do............[COLOR="Silver"]

No rumour its happening as of the 1st week of october the only contractor work to be done in the greater manchester area will be the 2man work. Im not sure how long the trial will be for though

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I used to work for kelly on installs, then we all got taken over by fuji. It was ok at the start , there were lots of promises from the great and the good at in fuji land. Very soon all the crack started to show and it was fundamentally just the same as working for kelly on VM, over worked and under paid. Then I searched out a way of joining kellys on thier BT contract. I have been here now over 1 month and it has been fantastic so far. I am paid 24k per year, I get full pay on holidays, and I am expected to complete 4 jobs per day. Training, quality and safety is at a whole new level then VM, but at least we have the time to complete everything properly by the book. I now work 5 days per week and generally I am home at an acceptable time to have a life, which I never had on cable.

So,................., maybe this is not a crap industry, maybe you are all just sucking the sweat off the dead horses balls on the wrong contract!

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The fujitsu lads here are saying the same they gave a good speech at the handover .Then they have given a lot of work getting home late and problems with pay .Morale is low :(

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I've moved over to the BT contract with Kelly and it's the worst decesion I've ever made. I thought it was bad with VM but the BT contract is much much worse you'll be working 12 to 14 hours a day plus traveling doing as much as 10 jobs a day. If anyone reading this is thinking of moving over to BT DON'T DO IT!!!!!!

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sorry to hear that CableGUy. Its been a breath of fresh air for me, and everyone I have met is not working as hard as you say. what area are you working in?

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[QUOTE=redone;35302098]
Their taking on installs for existing customers. Eg: TiVo upgrades 50mb upgrades etc. One man installs (donkey work) will still be done by contractors.

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I've been working in Wales and the South West! I was warned about how Kelly treat their employees but I thought that was to do with the VM contract!!

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Hi there, i agree with cabletvman - i'm working on the BT contract and lovin it - no where near the numbers or hours you are reporting and the pay is good!

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Hi TheCableGuy, I am also working on the BT contract with Kelly's and was previously working on the VM contract. I completely agree with Cabletvman! Work loads are not excessive and I normally complete all my jobs by 6pm at the latest.:)

What site you working on as my manager has said i maybe redeployed this week??:(

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hi just had a call from kellys
modem installs 10 per day 6 days a week manchester area

is this a good thing or a bad thing?

i presume this is for VM

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Kellys don't have the vm contract for manchester

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thanks for quick reply

so must be BT, mmm

never worked for them before is 10 a day doable?