Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

True, you can have an opinion about anything you like. However an informed opinion is likely to be worth listening to, whilst one based on hearsay is likely to be prejudiced by public opinion.

I have agreed, and will agree again that the joke was tasteless and not funny. But people on here are trying to claim some sort of moral high-ground as if Mr Boyle was a public servant.

He's a comedian, well known for his offensive humour. If you can't take what he is saying as a joke (however offensive that may be) then it is your problem, not his.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

What on Earth has the time of day/kids TV got to do with anything?? It's an adult showed aimed at adults aired after the watershed - what are you on about kids being exposed to it and parents at fault? Deary me..

And you don't think Boyle was suggesting with his joke that Harvey is autistic and capable of raping his mother? Of course the kid was the butt of the joke. Sober up ffs.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

Frankie Boyle isn't a public servant, but he was broadcasting on a public service channel - and one that is, incidentally, State-owned. i.e. ours. People are entitled to be heard if they have a view on any licenced broadcast service, especially those that have privileged PSB status, and foremost among those the BBC and C4.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

No I am saying you are taking it too seriously and his whole show is full of jokes. To take it out of context and accuse him of attacking a child is simply wrong. He was IN the joke yes, but the "target" was his mother and her stupid actions - would we even know who Harvey was if it weren't for her constant public appearances/magazine deals? No.
There are plenty of celebrities with children I have never heard of, he wouldn't make a joke about someone's kids if they weren't in the media - what would be the point? And whose fault is it if Harvey appears in the public eye? His mum's - the TARGET of the joke.

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Channel 4 is not a public service channel - it is paid for by advertising.

I just bought a tv licence - it pays for the BBC only.

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A previous poster asserted that Harvey would be "ridiculed" beacause of the show - my point was to show how ridiculous that claim was.

Even if he was the butt of the joke (personally i still think it was aimed at his mother for placing him in the limelight) it was a JOKE.

Lighten up ffs.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_4


So I can be offensive as I like about anyone in regards to their sexuality,race,religion,gender,height,disabilty but as long as I claim it is a joke that excuses me from any litigation or responsibility?

Nice world you live in.:rolleyes:

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

There are many things that I do not want to watch, or hear, that would be swayed by public opinion in order for me for me to dislike it. For example, I wouldn't want to watch a public execution, but by me objecting to it, doesn't mean it is because lots of other people don't like it either.

I can't see that to be honest. Everyone seems to be objecting to it, because they find the ridicule of a disabled eight year old boy, to be rather unpalatable.

No, the issue is rather very much his problem. He is the one who seems to find the thought of disabled children to be offensive, otherwise why make fun of them.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

Congratulations on the most tortured, sloppy reasoning I've read anywhere on any forum for some considerable time. I think your comments stand pretty well as their own rebuttal, so I'll leave them be.

'Public service' refers to the conditions and privileges that derive from the licence the channel has from OFCOM, not the TV licence you just bought.

Furthermore, Channel 4 is entirely State-owned, and always has been. A fact you really ought to be aware of if you're going to get involved in a discussion like this and castigate other people with words like:

Here, why not go and read this, it might help inform your own opinions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_4

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

Oh dear. :rolleyes:

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

Fair point, it was still a joke tho :P

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

No....no it wasn't.

Jokes are supposed to be funny. Please can you point out where the humour was.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

Whether it was suggested seriously or not, the fact that it was suggested at all means it can still cause offence.

Whether or not he was the butt of the joke is irrelevant.

Ask yourself this. How would *you* feel if you had a disabled child and some comedian made a reference to them raping you? Hurt? Angry? Would it being a joke make any difference to you?

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

What??
Again, I'll ask you - what does the aired time and mentioning people exposing their kids to it have to do with anything? It's almost as if you said this with without thinking.

Oh, wait..
:D

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

katie price isnt exactly mum of the year
shes the last person in the world who should be taking the moral high ground.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

She is taking it on behalf of her disabled son, not herself - different thing altogether, imho.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

I just thought this extract from OFCOM Audience Complaints list may be of interest.

http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/enf...ce-complaints/

Unfortunately it could be sometime before we know the outcome of any official ruling as the latest published results of OFCOMs investigations into complaints only cover programmes broadcast up to the end of September 2010.

http://consumers.ofcom.org.uk/2010/1...t-bulletin-36/

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

Who she is, and her parenting skills are irrelevant. She still has a right to be offended on behalf of her son.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

But Harvey has no say in what his mother does, why he should be the one to be punished for his mother being a flake.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

she will say or do anything to get in to the papers
a media whore of the highest order.
all she is doing is promoting herself , her tv show or her latest biography.
she should be thanking frankie boyle for the free advertising.
if she was that worried about harveys feeings maybe she would not have included him in her reality tv show,as other celebs have done in similar shows.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

Maybe you could explain to us, how you think that should prevent her from making a complaint on her disabled eight year old son's behalf?

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

shes just making it worse , she should have just let it go for harveys sake .
now harvey will face more media attention when he should be just a kid getting on with his childhood.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

How often should she "let it go?" How many times must she just accept that her son will be ridiculed abused and bullied by those who really should know better? Should she wait until her son is about to commit suicide because he can no longer take the taunts? You still haven't demonstrated how, just because his mother may not be a good parent, the abuse should be allowed.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

what abuse ? it was a joke from a comedian

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

Again, that is irrelevant. Frankie Boyle cracked a "joke" which (rightly, IMO) Katie Price found offensive. She has just done what I would expect any mother to do. Defended her child.

In her situation,how would you react? Would you just take it (as you appear to expect her to) or would you complain?

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

if it was me then id be protecting him in a different way like keeping him out of the media spotlight for a start.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

What are your views on jokes about race then? Especially if the comedian uses certain racists names (n word, p word etc)? If you think they are wrong, how is this different?

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

So you absolutely wouldn't be offended or complain if someone cracked a joke about your disabled child, yes?

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

What complete and utter rubbish..Is that any sort of defence?

Don't complain, you will just make matters worse and the media will be on your back..As if they won't do so whatever Boyle says or doesn't say.

If someone said any such thing about my son on national TV I'd certainly be looking to have some sort of apology.And yes I know it was 'just a joke' but you know what, that's been the comeback by every bully I have ever known.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

And if some comedian did make a joke about your child?

Personally I would keep any children of mine out of the spotlight, but does the fact that Katie Price hasn't justify Frankie Boyle's actions? I don't think it does.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

id be above it and would try not let my anger show

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

I think we have already established it was not a joke, seeing no one can point to where the humour lies. Do you not think "jokes" can be abusive?

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

Angry? At a joke?

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

But that's a bit like trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube. The point is, how would have reacted of it was your child; would you have complained?

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I think Peter André and Alex Reid (I only found who and what he was when this came up), have showed tremendous restraint in this instance. I don't think I could be as reticent.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

well she doesnt sound too happy about it

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

How many times would you allow it to happen? Do you have children?

The playgrounds and workplaces of the nation ring with the words, "what's the matter, can't you take a joke?"

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

I was talking about YOU. Trying to establish whether YOU would be offended and make a complaint if someone made a joke about YOUR disabled child, as you said it was just a comedian making a joke. Would you laugh along with him or would you be hurt and want to defend your disabled boy?

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

Right that's it I'm not taking part in what I'm thinking has now become a wind up..I suggest that others might consider this action also.;)

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

Well done that man, you finally cracked it ;)

For all the stick i've received I have had to laugh. If a few people go mad on a forum cos they didn't like a joke that's their hard luck. The fact is it's been said now, and will be forgotten in a few days.

There is no hard defining line (however much people try and bully others into agreeing with them) as to whether mr Boyle's actions were right or wrong - it's down to personal opinion.

My opinion obviously goes against the majority of people on here, but it is MY opinion so all you thinking you can change it can jog on!

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

MAN???

Maggy dear is there something you should be telling everyone????

;) :p:

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

I think you missed the point. ;)

In a discussion forum like this, the idea isn't to try to change people's opinions in a flash. It's pointless trying that, it can't happen (as you rightly point out).

It's only possible to mould and alter each other's views over an extended period of time. And that's why it's worth complaining about grossly offensive use of the airwaves, such as Frankie Boyle's 'joke' last week. Complaining about this one incident won't change the world, but a sustained and consistent public debate about what is and is not acceptable in our broadcast media can and does eventually affect those who make and enforce the rules.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

And still they bite... this is so easy it isn't fun anymore!

See ya!

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

If by 'bite' you mean 'respond to a post made in a discussion', then yes, it's easy. It's supposed to be. Most of us are here because we enjoy discussing things. Sorry if that's a strange concept for you, but hey. The forum will carry on regardless. :shrug:

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

:bigcry:

[QUOTE=Chris;35138510]I think you missed the point ;)[QUOTE]

:doh:

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

I think, from the behaviour you display, we can all see why you think that jokes about disabled eight year olds can be funny.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

In fairness, I also think that jokes about disabled 8 year olds can be funny. It's just this this particular joke concerning a particular disabled 8 year old wasn't funny and was in particularly poor taste.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

Nice try flyboy, now can you convince me I should care what you think??

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

and if you respond to the pathetic idiotic troll he shall keep responding to you.

Don't feed it and it shall go away.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

I love Frankie Boyle and his jokes are hilarious.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

This brings to mind a story from a few years back about Jim Davidson. He also had a problem with the disabled. Whilst taking part in a panto, he asked the audience, "do you know who I am?" (enquiring whether the children knew who his character was). There came a reply which not one person was expecting: In the audience there was a party of scouts, who had all booked tickets for their annual day out. One of the little scamps, who I believe was not identified, called out, "yes, a Mod:Swearing deleted" The whole auditorium was apparently in fits of laughter, especially when Mr Davidson started to get quite angry and demand that the child be found and escorted from the stalls. The point I am making, is that there will come a time when Frankie Boyle will become the "Mod:Swearing deleted" at a children's panto.

I'll see if I can find a link to it later. Mod: No linking to unsuitable material

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

A good mate was his minder, he hated him, cant really go into much detail but some of the tasks he wanted doing, having the kid at panto chucked out doesn't shock me, put it like that.

Any way back to Mrs Price, I suspect she complained for the right reasons but is very happy with the amount of publicity this has all generated, imo if the public and media ignored her she'd die.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

On a related note, KP has split up with her current husband - BBC

In other shock news, Sun rises in the East.......

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

Asses I'm already engaged now so I'm not in with a chance now ;)

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

yeah some comedians arent funny and just outright rude, they think they funny but they not.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

Sorry, just chuckling at the thought of an audience member shouting "Mod:Swearing Deleted" at a comedian. Little surreal.

In some cases, they still can be, or were.

Frankie Boyle can be incredibly funny.

As can Ricky Gervais, although sadly he seems to be increasingly moving toward just being nasty.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

Hilarious

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

I guess Frankie Boyle is fair - seen his newspaper column and he's mean and nasty about lots of people, and often takes it too far.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

Like the late Bernard Manning

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

I'd have thought that being lumped in with the likes of Jim Davidson and Bernard Manning says about everything you want to know about this odious man.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

Ofcom has upheld Katie Price's complaint against Channel 4 and Frankie Boyle.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-12957309

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

I have to admit one thing. While I agree with Katie Price being offended, and I also think that either Frankie himself or one of the editorial team should have said no to this joke, I am glad that Channel 4 defended themselves so vigorously. Too many channels would have just rolled over and complied without question (I am looking at you, BBC).

Let me make that apparent contradiction clear. Increasingly TV companies are rolling over and just apologising without question when someone says the most insignificant thing that someone else takes offense to (I'm actually thinking of Frankie Boyle on Mock The Week). This is also leading to an increasingly bland and sterile style of comedy (in particular) because the comedians whose work is even slightly edgy are finding themselves under ever tighter controls.

Should Frankie Boyle's team or Channel 4 have allowed this joke? IMO, No. However, they did, and what I like is that they defended the decision vigorously.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

Sorry Stuart but they can protest all they like under normal conditions but to allow this particular joke was indefensible.I'm all for edgy off the wall humour but not against a specifically named child who has no choice about the public exposure he receives.Boyle can say whatever he likes about Price herself but this was definitely an offensive comment too far rather than a joke about a child whom has no comeback.

Re: [Update] Ofcom raps Channel 4 over Frankie Boyle's Harvey Price 'joke'
 

As Frankie stated 2 weeks ago when I saw him live. the joke was not aimed at Harvey and was meant to be about Katie. I mean how was Harvey even meant to see the show. Erm....

Re: [Update] Ofcom raps Channel 4 over Frankie Boyle's Harvey Price 'joke'
 

He doesn't have to.The fact is that he is not a legitimate target and whether he is aware of it is not the issue.

Re: [Update] Ofcom raps Channel 4 over Frankie Boyle's Harvey Price 'joke'
 

I think the fact he named the disabled child he was mocking was probably what did it. Making a single person a target of a joke is going to be risky, especially if your mocking some physical or mental disability. When it also consider it's a child then your screwed. Besides anything it's a poor comedia who only draw laughs by insulting other people.

Re: [Update] Ofcom raps Channel 4 over Frankie Boyle's Harvey Price 'joke'
 

He doesn't need to have seen it.

Re: [Update] Ofcom raps Channel 4 over Frankie Boyle's Harvey Price 'joke'
 

I think the issue here is Stephen was joking...

Re: [Update] Ofcom raps Channel 4 over Frankie Boyle's Harvey Price 'joke'
 

:tu: Well said

Re: [Update] Ofcom raps Channel 4 over Frankie Boyle's Harvey Price 'joke'
 

IMHO Katie Price/Jordan is a valid targets for humour, were as Harvey is NOT.

Any celebrity who has there face/image in all media are targets. their children are not.

Re: [Update] Ofcom raps Channel 4 over Frankie Boyle's Harvey Price 'joke'
 

I was actually quoting Frankie as I saw him live 2 weeks ago and that was what he said :)

He is a very funny guy, but many people take his jokes the wrong way. He is a comedian and nothing he says is serious, thats why they are called jokes.

Every comedian and all types of humor poke fun at people, religions, objects, things people observe. Just the way Frankie tells them that gets him noticed mor than anyone else. There will always be someone that gets offended by a particular joke.

I guess its his not giving a crap attitude and saying what he wants.

Re: [Update] Ofcom raps Channel 4 over Frankie Boyle's Harvey Price 'joke'
 

Not really. In my case, I do consider him a good comedian. In this case, however, the joke was not only an offensive joke (a lot of which I find funny), but it was aimed at a child that he named. That is what is wrong.

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Indeed.

I suspect Katie Price would agree. After all, she has probably been spoofed hundreds of times without apparently commenting on it.

Re: [Update] Ofcom raps Channel 4 over Frankie Boyle's Harvey Price 'joke'
 

Well, Katie Price has clearly smelled blood, and is after someone's head. The Chief Exec of Channel 4 to be precise..

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcas...f-c4-boss.html

She may have a point. In announcing the coverage of the Paralympics, Channel 4 does appear to be trying to set itself up as some sort of supporter of disabled rights, but it's also happy to show a programme where someone takes the mickey out of them.

Re: [Update] Ofcom raps Channel 4 over Frankie Boyle's Harvey Price 'joke'
 

im just wondering after all this if Boyle will ever work in TV again. Look at what happened to Julian Clary years ago when he made that off the cusp remark about Normal Lamont his TV career went down the drain!

Re: [Update] Ofcom raps Channel 4 over Frankie Boyle's Harvey Price 'joke'
 

Frankie Boyle appeared in a sketch on the BBC1 Scotland comedy sketch show Burnistoun last night, which you won't have seen unless you actually sought out BBC1 Scotland on your EPG as it's not networked.

Re: [Update] Ofcom raps Channel 4 over Frankie Boyle's Harvey Price 'joke'
 

This isnt even a problem for Frankie. If anything its more publicity :confused:

I've seen and heard worse - Chubby Brown.

Re: [Update] Ofcom raps Channel 4 over Frankie Boyle's Harvey Price 'joke'
 

The difference is, he's hardly ever on TV. I think he's been on TV once in his career and that was for a documentary.

Re: [Update] Ofcom raps Channel 4 over Frankie Boyle's Harvey Price 'joke'
 

I know that Frankie can be very funny..I think he just needs to choose his targets a bit more carefully.

Re: [Update] Ofcom raps Channel 4 over Frankie Boyle's Harvey Price 'joke'
 

See how much mileage Ms Price tries to wring out of this. Think she was in danger of not appearing in next week's Closer before she started going after the C4 boss.

Re: [Update] Ofcom raps Channel 4 over Frankie Boyle's Harvey Price 'joke'
 

Pity Ch4 and Boyle gave her the opportunity..;)

Re: [Update] Ofcom raps Channel 4 over Frankie Boyle's Harvey Price 'joke'
 

To exploit her child to keep her face in the headlines. Kinda makes a mockery of her complaint really.

Re: [Update] Ofcom raps Channel 4 over Frankie Boyle's Harvey Price 'joke'
 

Not really.I have no love for the woman and I dislike her behaviour but it does not give anyone the right to target a child in this way just because his mother is a fame junkie.

Re: [Update] Ofcom raps Channel 4 over Frankie Boyle's Harvey Price 'joke'
 

Neither does it excuse mum using it to feed her fame addiction. A classless affair all around :(

Re: [Update] Ofcom raps Channel 4 over Frankie Boyle's Harvey Price 'joke'
 

Agreed!;)

Re: [Update] Ofcom raps Channel 4 over Frankie Boyle's Harvey Price 'joke'
 

Crap, another sign of the impending apocalypse just occurred.