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carlwaring 02-05-2011 11:18

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Originally Posted by Lord Nikon (Post 35226968)
Will Matt Smith ever take ownership of the role? Will the writers be able to create a personality for him that doesn't feel like it's been copied from earlier actors on cheap audio tapes that were then stored next to a magnet for 10 years?

I don't see that at all but then again the only Docs I really remember are the ones from 2005 onwards so I can only assume your comment refers to previous incarnation before the series was canned in the 80s?

Paul 02-05-2011 12:29

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Originally Posted by Lord Nikon (Post 35226968)
The Doctor is half human, so would the daughter become 1/4 TimeLord or are they dominant?

Since when has the Doctor been half human ?

martyh 02-05-2011 12:43

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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35227173)
Since when has the Doctor been half human ?


Not in any of the series i have ever watched,however in the 1996 film that idea was central to the theme of the film (which was intended for american audiences).I also believe that film should be erased from the history of mankind and anyone mentioning it again should be torn apart by cybermen,run over repeatedly by Daleks then dropped into a time vortex forever staring into the inane grin of sylvester mcoy

Stuart 02-05-2011 13:04

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Originally Posted by Lord Nikon (Post 35226968)
Well, we definitely saw a regeneration. Hmm, Couple of ideas come to mind, and a couple of questions.

1) Timelady - Romanadvortrelundar? But if it's a Timelady, why couldn't he hear her? Ecclestone / Tennant's doctors said they were the last one left, if there were any others they would know / be able to hear them in their mind.

The Master hid in human form. Maybe the previous regeneration of this little girl did, and the Doctor didn't mention when she turned back.

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2) A new Timelord? Would require Timelord ancestry, so, The Master's Daughter? The Doctor's? If so, then who with? River? Amy?

Possibly..

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The Doctor is half human, so would the daughter become 1/4 TimeLord or are they dominant?

The Doctor is (if you discount the various movies including the 1996 one) full Timelord.

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Will Matt Smith ever take ownership of the role?
Will the writers be able to create a personality for him that doesn't feel like it's been copied from earlier actors on cheap audio tapes that were then stored next to a magnet for 10 years?
I actually think he has with this story. As for the personality comment, well. I think they have given him his own personality. OK, it's made up of parts of the previous doctors, but so was Peter Davison's.
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Some of the information may come out on the 14th May episode - The Doctor's Wife.
Maybe.

Stephen 02-05-2011 13:45

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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35227110)
I don't see that at all but then again the only Docs I really remember are the ones from 2005 onwards so I can only assume your comment refers to previous incarnation before the series was canned in the 80s?

I don't think you can really comment stating Matt Smith hasn't taken control of the role if you haven't really watched any of the original 8 doctors before.

Matt has been brilliant in the role and put his own stamp on the part of the Doctor.

Stuart 02-05-2011 15:43

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35227252)
I don't think you can really comment stating Matt Smith hasn't taken control of the role if you haven't really watched any of the original 8 doctors before.

Matt has been brilliant in the role and put his own stamp on the part of the Doctor.

I don't think Carl is saying that at all. I think he was quering Lord Nikon's comments about copying the doctor's personality from audiotapes of the previous doctors..

carlwaring 02-05-2011 15:44

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35227252)
I don't think you can really comment stating Matt Smith hasn't taken control of the role if you haven't really watched any of the original 8 doctors before.

Well he's certainly different to both Chis' and David's interpretation.

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Matt has been brilliant in the role and put his own stamp on the part of the Doctor.
I think so too :)

Lew 02-05-2011 16:01

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I'm really enjoying Matt's Doctor. He has a lot of the quirkiness and eccentricity of some of the earlier doctors with the energy of the RTD Doctors. I keep expecting him to reach into his pocket and pull out a bag of jelly babies. :D

Stuart 02-05-2011 16:25

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To me, the doctor should be be confident (almost to the point of arrogance), whimsical, sometimes moody, sometimes frightening, slightly excitable, but also vulnerable. They must also have a slight "alien" quality as if they don't always work with the same set of values we do.

Not all of the previous doctors had all of the qualities though, I'll admit. For instance, Tom Baker was confident (but sometimes arrogant), moody, excitable, frightening and definitely whimsical. Peter Davison was confident (but never arrogant), excitable, whimsical and sometimes vulnerable.

David Tennant actually played all those bits well, as did most of the other doctors (although not all doctors had all those characteristics). Matt Smith hasn't played all of them, but there is still time.

Lord Nikon 02-05-2011 19:32

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Confident? Often beyond the realm of competence.
Whimsical? Suppose so
Moody? Ok
Frightening? He couldn't scare a fly
Excitable? I'm sure he's on speed
Vulnerable? Only as vulnerable as cardboard is to rain
Alien quality? Umm, no

Thing is, the doctor is often all of those at the same time. Matt Smith doesn't seem capable of more than one per scene.

Stephen 02-05-2011 19:52

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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35227356)
Well he's certainly different to both Chis' and David's interpretation.


I think so too :)

While I love new Who, I still really love some of the classic Who and that's what I grew up with. My earliest memories are of Peter Davison but mostly my growi up involved Colin Baker and Slyvester McCoy. However I now have a huge collection of DVDs featuring all the old doctors and they all brought something new and different to the role but as things have changed all the Doctors have featured some of the traits that were part of their predecessors version of the Doctor.

Stuart 02-05-2011 20:17

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35227554)
While I love new Who, I still really love some of the classic Who and that's what I grew up with. My earliest memories are of Peter Davison but mostly my growi up involved Colin Baker and Slyvester McCoy. However I now have a huge collection of DVDs featuring all the old doctors and they all brought something new and different to the role but as things have changed all the Doctors have featured some of the traits that were part of their predecessors version of the Doctor.

That's actually my view of things. The traits I listed are what I think are the basic traits of the character, but each doctor has been different, and may or may not have had some of those traits.

Pierre 03-05-2011 22:33

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35227184)
Not in any of the series i have ever watched,however in the 1996 film that idea was central to the theme of the film (which was intended for american audiences).I also believe that film should be erased from the history of mankind and anyone mentioning it again should be torn apart by cybermen,run over repeatedly by Daleks then dropped into a time vortex forever staring into the inane grin of sylvester mcoy

I like the film,

I think the eighth doctor is one of the best, it's a crime we didn't get to see more.

A few elements from the film made it to the new series, the design of the tardis for one. (not identical I know but the 9th and 10th doctors tardis was a riff on the one from the film.

Stephen 03-05-2011 22:59

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35228341)
I like the film,

I think the eighth doctor is one of the best, it's a crime we didn't get to see more.

A few elements from the film made it to the new series, the design of the tardis for one. (not identical I know but the 9th and 10th doctors tardis was a riff on the one from the film.

If you like the 8th Doctor you should listen to some of the Big Finish audio stories featuring him.

watzizname 07-05-2011 18:22

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So was Amy "just dreaming" all that we've seen in the last 2 episodes, or was she somehow tuning into one of the little girl's memories, or perhaps recalling one of her own?

Could it be that the sequence this image comes from, was the only real moment in the episodes?

http://uploader.ws/upload/201105/DWdotm001_1.jpg

I think it's fair to say that there's a lot more going on here, than first meets the eye.

Spoiler: 
I read somewhere that the lady above will also make an appearance in tonight's episode..

Pierre 08-05-2011 00:26

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It was a weak episode.

Obviously little unexplained minuets were in place to keep us alert (like Amy seeing the women through the hatch)

The trailers for the rest of the season look good. I hope they live up to expectations

carlwaring 08-05-2011 09:00

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I quite enjoyed it. Not sure how it was 'weak' just because it didn't move the overall season arc forward at all.

Pierre 08-05-2011 09:44

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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35231463)
I quite enjoyed it. Not sure how it was 'weak' just because it didn't move the overall season arc forward at all.

That's not reason I thought it wa weak. I just thought it was a rubbish story.

carlwaring 08-05-2011 10:01

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Oh right. Yeah. I did wonder whether to make that a question or not :) The story did remind my of ST:VOY I suppose, but I liked it well enough. Was a good "twist".

Mick Fisher 08-05-2011 13:17

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35231486)
That's not reason I thought it wa weak. I just thought it was a rubbish story.

I thought I would give the new season a chance after being thoroughly disheartened by the previous series.

The first two Eps were encouraging but last nights effort slid back into garbage mode.

With story's and FX like this I doubt that even the Tennant/Piper combo could do much to lift it. :(

Very disappointing.

Lew 09-05-2011 18:14

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As a tribute to Elisabeth Sladen, her final classic-Who story is being shown tonight and tomorrow night on BBC 4

Doctor Who (Science Fiction Series)
Starting: 19:40 on Monday 9th May. Duration: 25 minutes
Showing on BBC 4 (107).

Doctor Who (Science Fiction Series)
Starting: 20:05 on Monday 9th May. Duration: 25 minutes
Showing on BBC 4 (107).

Doctor Who (Science Fiction Series)
Starting: 19:40 on Tuesday 10th May. Duration: 25 minutes
Showing on BBC 4 (107).

Doctor Who (Science Fiction Series)
Starting: 20:05 on Tuesday 10th May. Duration: 25 minutes
Showing on BBC 4 (107).

Lew 14-05-2011 21:12

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Loved tonight's episode. Perfect balance between funny and scary. :D

Tezcatlipoca 14-05-2011 21:52

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Much better than last week's pirate episode (as expected, as this week's was written by Neil Gaiman).

The Doctor was correct... The TARDIS *is* sexy :erm: :D

Stuart 15-05-2011 00:16

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Another Excellent ep.

Suranne Jones is sexy as well..

Also, it was nice to see other areas of the Tardis, and I thought the old console room looked brilliant in HD.

carlwaring 15-05-2011 00:29

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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35236658)
...I thought the old console room looked brilliant in HD.

I didn't even see that that's what it was on first viewing; even though I knew it was due to be shown at some point in the season :o:

Yes, a good ep. But then I liked last week's too :)

adzii_nufc 15-05-2011 01:18

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Anyone notice at the end of each episode The Doctor makes references to Life & Death

Tonight ''Being alive, best thing there is, being alive right now''

As the season goes on I think these will continue to point toward the doctor knowing his future which I'd agree with because there is stuff you just cant hide from the doctor :p:

Mick Fisher 15-05-2011 14:25

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In complete contrast I thought it was the biggest load of old twaddle I have had the misfortune to nearly watch , giving up after 20 minutes.

I'm completely lost faith with the Smith and Gillam version of Who after last night's debacle and won't be wasting any more of my time trying to watch it.

Stephen 16-05-2011 00:39

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Originally Posted by Mick Fisher (Post 35236900)
In complete contrast I thought it was the biggest load of old twaddle I have had the misfortune to nearly watch , giving up after 20 minutes.

I'm completely lost faith with the Smith and Gillam version of Who after last night's debacle and won't be wasting any more of my time trying to watch it.

Can I ask why you dint like it?

I loved everything about it and it gave some interesting new takes on some classic Who stuff. Gaimann is a great writer and this episode was so well done.

Mick Fisher 16-05-2011 00:55

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35237457)
Can I ask why you dint like it?

I loved everything about it and it gave some interesting new takes on some classic Who stuff. Gaimann is a great writer and this episode was so well done.

Seemed more like a hammed up pantomime than scifi to me.

Anyway I just can't take anymore of Smith and Gillam. IMHO they are the worst Dr/Companion pair of all.

It was like a weight lifting from my shoulders when I removed the series link and deleted next weeks Ep. I should have done it ages ago but wrongly thought it might get better.

I glad you are enjoying it but it's just not for me.

Paul 16-05-2011 01:02

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Each to their own I guess.

Stuart 16-05-2011 01:12

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It's worth remembering that the original series could be quite variable. Some stories were good, some bad. This is something that a lot of people seem to forget, and something it has in common with the new series.

Another thing the old series did have in common with the new series is that some people always complained it wasn't as good as it used to be.

One thing I like about this episode is the way Neil Gaiman wrote it. He seems able, on occasion, to write in a style very similar to Douglas Adams (the Books, not the Hitchhikers TV series). There were parts of this story that felt almost as if Douglas Adams had written them (and at least one Douglas Adams reference if you can spot it).

beeman 16-05-2011 11:15

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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35237475)
There were parts of this story that felt almost as if Douglas Adams had written them (and at least one Douglas Adams reference if you can spot it).

hah i though it was just me, as soon as i heard the line i thought "restaurant".....

and yes one of my fav epps. IMO its up there with blink as one of the best "filler" epps and like blink beats many of the lesser storyline epps.

Stuart 16-05-2011 11:32

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Originally Posted by beeman (Post 35237559)
hah i though it was just me, as soon as i heard the line i thought "restaurant".....

Actually, I don't think I spotted that one.

I was thinking of where Idris said that she, as the TARDIS rarely got the Doctor to where he wanted to go, but always where he needed to be. Reminded me of Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency where Dirk announced that his own navigation method rarely got him where he wanted to go, but always got him where he needed to be.

beeman 16-05-2011 16:15

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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35237563)
Actually, I don't think I spotted that one.

I was thinking of where Idris said that she, as the TARDIS rarely got the Doctor to where he wanted to go, but always where he needed to be. Reminded me of Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency where Dirk announced that his own navigation method rarely got him where he wanted to go, but always got him where he needed to be.

ah hah imissed that one.

The line i was mentioning was when they first left the tardis and Rory calls the planet "the scrayard at the end of the universe" as appose to the hitchikers sequal "The restaurant at the end of the universe" :)

carlwaring 16-05-2011 16:21

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I'm not a DA fan but I did like the classic TV version of HHGGTG and thought the same thing as you. Didn't catch the other one though.

Loved the ep too. But then I like them all. I'm easily pleased ;)

Pierre 17-05-2011 00:21

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Whilst I have been highly critical of this current Dr, I thought this episode was better.

I think I know what is holding this Dr back, and it's his companions. Amy and Rory just don't cut the mustard. I think Matt Smith still has it in him to be a good Doctor Who but Amy and Rory are just a snooze fest

v0id 17-05-2011 00:58

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35238303)

I think I know what is holding this Dr back, and it's his companions. Amy and Rory just don't cut the mustard. I think Matt Smith still has it in him to be a good Doctor Who but Amy and Rory are just a snooze fest

I agree, there are one too many companions.
Rory should fill the 'Mickey' companion role, only appearing occasionally :D

Lord Nikon 17-05-2011 01:03

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I'd put the Matt Smith doctor and Rory into the 'Adric' companion role - left on a ship about to crash into a planet.

Chris 17-05-2011 01:12

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Not a chance, Rory is nowhere near as irritating as Adric.

v0id 17-05-2011 04:35

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'Adric' :Geez, you guys are showing your age now, huh? :D

Stephen 17-05-2011 09:35

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The most annoying companion will always be Mel! Lol.

Peter_ 17-05-2011 09:43

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35238464)
The most annoying companion will always be Mel! Lol.

Well it was Bonnie langford, but anything to do with the Sylvester Mccoy period was very bad and nearly killed of the series for good.

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Stephen 17-05-2011 09:46

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I really liked the 7th Doctor, it's the one I remember the most. He had some great stories and was rather mysterious. Ace was a great companion.

Chris 17-05-2011 09:58

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Ace was a two dimensional, walking cliche. And the show during its final three seasons under John Nathan-Turner and Andrew Cartmel veered alarmingly from the sublime (Remembrance of the Daleks, The Curse of Fenric) to the utterly ridiculous (The Happiness Patrol) via the tooth-jarring, pseudo-highbrow (Ghost Light) and the mediocre (Survival - irony of ironies, because it didn't).

Nevertheless, the show held its own reasonably well during that period and it really only died off because Michael Grade hates science fiction and actively sought to undermine it. It was scheduled against Coronation Street, with predictable ratings results.

Stuart 17-05-2011 10:23

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Sad, I know, but I still think the heavy weapons dalek was cool..

Paul 17-05-2011 10:24

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Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35238470)
the Sylvester Mccoy period was very bad and nearly killed of the series for good.

Nonsense, Michael Grade nearly killed it off, no one else.

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35238474)
I really liked the 7th Doctor, it's the one I remember the most. He had some great stories and was rather mysterious. Ace was a great companion.

I loved them as well, one of my favourite pairings (my other two favs were both from the Jon Pertwee era).

beeman 17-05-2011 10:32

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35238479)
....to the utterly ridiculous (The Happiness Patrol).....

Ridiculous yes but as far as im concerned one of the BEST multi-parter epp ever. As a kid the idea of a giant evil Berty Bassit was the ONLY Dr who monster that ever scared me.

Killer sweets :shocked:

dilli-theclaw 17-05-2011 10:35

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HHHmmm Peri :)

What with her and Servalan from Blakes 7 I think my puberty was sorted ;)

carlwaring 17-05-2011 10:58

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Originally Posted by v0id (Post 35238347)
I agree, there are one too many companions.

There's was, quite regularly, more than one companion with the Doc in old Who. (IIRC :p:)

Stuart 17-05-2011 11:41

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Indeed, I think every doctor (from William Hartnell until Peter Davidson anyway has had at least one occassion when they have had more than one assistant.

Chris 18-05-2011 00:08

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Multiple companions was the norm rather than the exception in classic Who. Sarah Jane Smith was the first regular solo companion (notwithstanding any odd occasions in the 60s I'm unaware of) - prior to her even when the Doctor had only one 'assistant' there was almost always at least one member of UNIT in the story.

techguyone 18-05-2011 10:54

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That's right the 3rd Doctor (Jon Pertwee) was 'marooned' on Earth for being a naughty time lord (actually budgetary constraints) and UNIT were around a lot along with Jo Grant.


Yes I'm an old git, I remember all that.

Dave9946 20-05-2011 17:23

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Is it just me or has this years series got a far more grown up feel to it so far than in previous years since it came back?. Almost like it's finally trying to rid itself of the "it's just a kids show" label to a more serious family show?.

carlwaring 20-05-2011 18:02

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Well it has always been described as a Family show anyway but yes, this year does seem to have seen a re-calibration of the scare-o-meter :)

Stuart 20-05-2011 18:21

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It is a family show. Even RTD said that, and apparently that was the reason he would not allow The Doctor to appear on Torchwood (he felt that associating the character in an adult show would devalue Doctor Who's family appeal).

But, one thing that people forgot (not saying you have) is that kids love to be scared. Steven Moffat appears to enjoy (and is good at) scaring people without losing the family appeal of the show.

Pierre 23-05-2011 00:25

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This doctor has not had any scary adventures......

Anyway latest episode, not bad.

I expect to be wrong, but I'm calling that doppleganger doctor will survive the next episode and that it will be him that was on fact killed in the first episode.

No doubt there will be various twist and turns but that's my guess, what odds are anyone going to give me?

Paul 23-05-2011 00:34

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35243025)
This doctor has not had any scary adventures......

Anyway latest episode, not bad.

I expect to be wrong, but I'm calling that doppleganger doctor will survive the next episode and that it will be him that was on fact killed in the first episode.

No doubt there will be various twist and turns but that's my guess, what odds are anyone going to give me?

Actually, thats a pretty good theory for now.

carlwaring 23-05-2011 00:47

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35243025)
No doubt there will be various twist and turns but that's my guess, what odds are anyone going to give me?

I wouldn't give you my Oods even if I had any..... oh, sorry. I mis-read that didn't I?! :D

Stuart 23-05-2011 01:30

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35243025)
This doctor has not had any scary adventures......

Bear in mind it is a family show so they can''t get away with what Hollywood counts as scary (ie Gore).

Dave9946 28-05-2011 16:33

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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35241389)
It is a family show. Even RTD said that, and apparently that was the reason he would not allow The Doctor to appear on Torchwood (he felt that associating the character in an adult show would devalue Doctor Who's family appeal).

But, one thing that people forgot (not saying you have) is that kids love to be scared. Steven Moffat appears to enjoy (and is good at) scaring people without losing the family appeal of the show.

But this sort of responce is my whole point. RTD never (as 99% of Dr Who fans know) created Doctor Who so it was never his show or idea to set such a basis as it being a family tv program. Thats what annoys me in that a person contracted by the BBC can take credit or claim for a job that he was paid to do that was created and set for 42 years earlyer. A strict guide on what he could do. Prehaps the real credit goes to those who kept an eye on the re-development of the series and must have set a litime on what could be re-developed.

There is little doubt RTD done a good job but SM is doing far better in modernising a great British TV show

carlwaring 28-05-2011 18:05

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Originally Posted by Dave9946 (Post 35246546)
But this sort of responce is my whole point. RTD never (as 99% of Dr Who fans know) created Doctor Who so it was never his show or idea to set such a basis as it being a family tv program.

For most of it's life, Doctor Who was broadcast in the Saturday early evening slot which was - and still is - designated as a "family viewing" slot. So therefore RTD was actually spot on.

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There is little doubt RTD done a good job but SM is doing far better in modernising a great British TV show
But if RTD had not brought it back, SM would necessarily not be doing anything at all with it ;)

Chris 28-05-2011 19:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave9946 (Post 35246546)
But this sort of responce is my whole point. RTD never (as 99% of Dr Who fans know) created Doctor Who so it was never his show or idea to set such a basis as it being a family tv program. Thats what annoys me in that a person contracted by the BBC can take credit or claim for a job that he was paid to do that was created and set for 42 years earlyer. A strict guide on what he could do. Prehaps the real credit goes to those who kept an eye on the re-development of the series and must have set a litime on what could be re-developed.

There is little doubt RTD done a good job but SM is doing far better in modernising a great British TV show

Doctor Who was commissioned by Sydney Newman, the head of Drama at the BBC, in 1963. It was, from the outset, intended as an informative and entertaining show for children and their families which is why, over the whole run of the series, it has almost always been shown in a family slot on an early Saturday evening.

There is a constituency of sic-fi uber nerds out there that think sic fi isn't being done properly unless it's dark and edgy. Thankfully the various producers of the show down the years have almost always ignored them.

Stuart 28-05-2011 21:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave9946 (Post 35246546)
But this sort of responce is my whole point. RTD never (as 99% of Dr Who fans know) created Doctor Who so it was never his show or idea to set such a basis as it being a family tv program. Thats what annoys me in that a person contracted by the BBC can take credit or claim for a job that he was paid to do that was created and set for 42 years earlyer. A strict guide on what he could do. Prehaps the real credit goes to those who kept an eye on the re-development of the series and must have set a litime on what could be re-developed.

There is little doubt RTD done a good job but SM is doing far better in modernising a great British TV show

I never implied that RTD did anything more than than bring back a good show. I don't think he did either.

However, the fact is that when Doctor Who was created, it was intended to be an entertaining family show that was also entertaining for kids.

Why do you think they made such a thing of Susan being the Dr's granddaughter? They wanted a pretty girl to attract an adult male audience, but thought it would be inappropriate for a family to show to include an old man who lives with a teenage girl.

carlwaring 28-05-2011 21:35

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35246660)
Thankfully the various producers of the show down the years have almost always ignored them.

Until now, unfortunately. Not that I'm not enjoying it :)

Stuart 28-05-2011 21:36

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35246660)
There is a constituency of sic-fi uber nerds out there that think sic fi isn't being done properly unless it's dark and edgy. Thankfully the various producers of the show down the years have almost always ignored them.

That's one thing that irritates me about Sci-Fi. People think it has to be dark and slightly forboding..

It irritates me because it presents (IMO) a wholly unrealistic view of people. That's one area where I think Battlestar Galactica was massively unrealistic. In my experience, people under that much stress often use humour to combat it. No one used humour in that show.

Doctor Who has often been quite dark, but has always had some element of humour in the show (often with variable results, admittedly).

Stephen Moffet overdid the humour in the last series, but he seems to have the correct balance now.

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Anyway, on to a different subject. Did everyone like the ending of today's episode?

Chris 28-05-2011 21:39

Re: Doctor Who : Season 6
 
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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35246771)
Until now, unfortunately. Not that I'm not enjoying it :)

My five-year old was scared witless. It took about 10 minutes just to stop her crying and another half an hour to distract her sufficiently to send her to bed with a reasonable prospect of her not lying there thinking about it.

I enjoyed tonight's episode more than last week but boy, was it bleak. Proper horror movie stuff. Superb cliffhanger though.

Lord Nikon 28-05-2011 22:43

Re: Doctor Who : Season 6
 
Predictable cliffhangar, as is the fact that next week's ep is the last one before the hiatus.
So far it looks like -

The silence is an evolved form of the flesh which has travelled back to try to take over the earth. That's when they took Amy, leaving a flesh replica for the current time, also why the Tardis had problems detecting her pregnancy.

Prediction for the season - River was in the spacesuit seen in the first episode and the doctor killed was a flesh replica.

carlwaring 28-05-2011 23:24

Re: Doctor Who : Season 6
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35246773)
That's one area where I think Battlestar Galactica was massively unrealistic. In my experience, people under that much stress often use humour to combat it. No one used humour in that show.

I watched the pilot of that and no more. Hated it, for the very reason you mention.

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Stephen Moffet overdid the humour in the last series, but he seems to have the correct balance now.
Can't say I agree with that.

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Anyway, on to a different subject. Did everyone like the ending of today's episode?
I like to remain spoiler-free for Who so didn't see that coming at all!
:eeek:

Lew 29-05-2011 17:51

Re: Doctor Who : Season 6
 
"Reverse the jelly baby of the neutron flow!"

:rofl:

Stuart 29-05-2011 19:52

Re: Doctor Who : Season 6
 
Trailer for next week.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_NLj...layer_embedded

BenMcr 29-05-2011 20:23

Re: Doctor Who : Season 6
 
Did anyone watch Confidential? Think it's quite funny that SM keeps on finding ways to take digs at RTD

This week - ignoring the older Doctors - when talking about the 'Would you like a Jelly Baby'/'Reverse the Polarity of the Neutron Flow'

Dave9946 29-05-2011 23:24

Re: Doctor Who : Season 6
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35247570)
Did anyone watch Confidential? Think it's quite funny that SM keeps on finding ways to take digs at RTD

This week - ignoring the older Doctors - when talking about the 'Would you like a Jelly Baby'/'Reverse the Polarity of the Neutron Flow'

I used to really love watching the confidentials as there are a great insight to what goes on in the making of etc. But I simply dont get to watch them any longer as the missus wants hers shows on too and 90 mins for myself on a saturday night is to much to ask lol.

But I liked this weeks episode, plenty of action and a decent level of the scary meter. But I do have to wander with some opinion on the net in that is the series starting to get a little complex to follow?. Dont get me wrong as complex(ish) in sci-fi is good (as you want to see some things explained in a kind of proper to understand realistic sort of way). But I do think that Doctor Who should'nt go to far down that road and try to keep the episodes a bit easier to follow for which last nights needed full attention to follow.

Pierre 30-05-2011 00:08

Re: Doctor Who : Season 6
 
I need to watch the end of that episode again, there was a leap or two that didn't compute

carlwaring 30-05-2011 00:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave9946 (Post 35247695)
...try to keep the episodes a bit easier to follow for which last nights needed full attention to follow.

Indeed. Case in point...
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35247724)
I need to watch the end of that episode again, there was a leap or two that didn't compute

:)

Dave9946 30-05-2011 14:02

Re: Doctor Who : Season 6
 
Or could it be more a case of there is nothing wrong with the stories as such but simply trying to fit to may scenes, action and script into some of the episodes. This weeks episode for example, turn your eye for a minute or nip to loo and your out of the episode and the rest is to hard to follow as you can so easily have missed an important part of dialog which without makes everything else more difficult to follow if you then watch a scene that makes little sence unless you catch a quick sentance a minute or 2 earlier.

Either cut a few scenes out for broadcast & stretch important info over a number scenes than have loads of relvent info in just a couple of scenes at once or add another 5 mins per episode. As it really is starting to look like they are trying to fit 50 mins plus of script into a 45 min episode.

Damien 31-05-2011 18:23

Re: Doctor Who : Season 6
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-13594932

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The Daleks are to be given "a rest" from Doctor Who, writer Steven Moffat has told the Radio Times.

Moffat, who is also the BBC television show's executive producer, said: "They aren't going to make an appearance for a while. We thought it was about time to give them a rest."
Woop!

BenMcr 31-05-2011 19:24

Re: Doctor Who : Season 6
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35248743)

What was the point of the redesign then?

Pierre 31-05-2011 19:54

Re: Doctor Who : Season 6
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35247724)
I need to watch the end of that episode again, there was a leap or two that didn't compute

I watched it again, I assume it'll be explained in a future episode.

Damien 31-05-2011 20:10

Re: Doctor Who : Season 6
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35248786)
What was the point of the redesign then?

I don't know but thank god they have gone!

They now need to hold true to that statement and hold back from the Daleks for a few seasons. Maybe banish them altogether until Matt Smith's tenure as the doctor is finished. Imagine the impact of the 'big bad' reveal being the Daleks after years of absence, it would be much better than the anti-climax there is whenever they bring up the 'almost destroyed but not quite' Daleks for the umpteenth time.

I think the 'classic' Doctor Who villains have been underwhelming since the series had it's reboot. The Cybermen and Daleks are just boring to me. Whereas the Weeping Angels, as an example, give off a much more menacing feel. The Silence and the 'Satan' type evil that was in the 'The Impossible Planet' were much more interesting. I did like the Master however...

tink4rbell 31-05-2011 20:11

Re: Doctor Who : Season 6
 
I personally am not enjoying this series anywhere near as much as earlier ones :(

carlwaring 31-05-2011 20:51

Re: Doctor Who : Season 6
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35247724)
I need to watch the end of that episode again, there was a leap or two that didn't compute

Such as?
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35248819)
I watched it again, I assume it'll be explained in a future episode.

What will?

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35248786)
What was the point of the redesign then?

Dunno. Guess he had to use them at least once. It was Matt's first series after all :)

BenMcr 31-05-2011 20:55

Re: Doctor Who : Season 6
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35248905)
Dunno. Guess he had to use them at least once. It was Matt's first series after all :)

Another example of the change everything to do with the RTD years

Pierre 31-05-2011 21:15

Re: Doctor Who : Season 6
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35248905)
Such as?

How the Dr knew Amy was a facsimile

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What will?
please see above


I can see that you're one of those really annoying people. I may have to use my ignore button

BenMcr 31-05-2011 21:26

Re: Doctor Who : Season 6
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35248946)
How the Dr knew Amy was a facsimile

Because he already knew of 'The Flesh' and what it was. The reason he went there is to find out whether you could mistake one for Human.

Which is why he allowed The Flesh to copy him in the first place and then swapped with 'The Flesh Doctor', to see if Amy would treat the The Flesh version the same as him if she though it was him - as they had been doing with Amy

Pierre 31-05-2011 22:06

Re: Doctor Who : Season 6
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35248957)
Because he already knew of 'The Flesh' and what it was. The reason he went there is to find out whether you could mistake one for Human.

Which is why he allowed The Flesh to copy him in the first place and then swapped with 'The Flesh Doctor', to see if Amy would treat the The Flesh version the same as him if she though it was him - as they had been doing with Amy

But that still doesn't explain how he knew.

I like to think I'm not particularly slow, in fact I take pride in being able follow complicated plot lines.

I even understood Donnie Darko.

I don't think the end of that episode was sufficiently easy to follow, for me anyway. But what do I know, I still thought Rory was an Auton.

For me, there's not enough craft in the story telling at the moment.

carlwaring 31-05-2011 23:08

Re: Doctor Who : Season 6
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35248946)
How the Dr knew Amy was a facsimile

Well yeah. That's one thing. I thought there were more :)

BenMcr 31-05-2011 23:51

Re: Doctor Who : Season 6
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35249022)
But that still doesn't explain how he knew.

Can agree with that. Would have been better to have the last two episodes right after the season opening, and then the end of the episode triggered by something else.

Would have tracked a bit better. We know the Doctor knows about The Flesh and that he knows something is wrong with Amy etc

Damien 01-06-2011 09:58

Re: Doctor Who : Season 6
 
Should we read into Rory backing away from Amy at the Doctor's Insistence? It seemed quite odd, you would have expected him to offer more resistance. Does it mean he trusts the Doctor without question or was it simply a narrative convenience?

Stephen 01-06-2011 10:15

Re: Doctor Who : Season 6
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35248946)
How the Dr knew Amy was a facsimile

Simply the Doctor is a genius and knew straight after running the scan on Amy that something wasn't right :)

As he knew about the Flesh he wanted to go check it out. That's why he planned on dropping Amy and Rory off so he could go investigate.

Stuart 01-06-2011 10:39

Re: Doctor Who : Season 6
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35249364)
Simply the Doctor is a genius and knew straight after running the scan on Amy that something wasn't right :)

Which would be why they made a point of showing the pregnancy scan being inconclusive in several episodes..

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As he knew about the Flesh he wanted to go check it out. That's why he planned on dropping Amy and Rory off so he could go investigate.
Indeed.. The team (under Steven Moffat) seem to be very good at introducing little, apparently insignificant, details into stories that only become significant when you've seen later episodes.

Stephen 01-06-2011 11:18

Re: Doctor Who : Season 6
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35248743)

They aren't really going to be gone for that long.

Moffat tweeted yesterday and responded simply by saying they are taking a rest for this series. Yet again the press have totally exagerated the story and made it bigger than it needed to be.

Pierre 01-06-2011 11:22

Re: Doctor Who : Season 6
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35249373)
Indeed.. The team (under Steven Moffat) seem to be very good at introducing little, apparently insignificant, details into stories that only become significant when you've seen later episodes.

There's subtlety and there's subtlety.

I'm all for putting in clues and nuggets of information throughout a story arc, bad wolf and all that.

And fair enough for having a go, I just think it was done poorly.

IMO, it was either written badly or delivered badly.

For things such as this the big reveal should come at the end with a:

"I knew there was something going on, so that's it" - moment for the viewer.

Not - "WTF just happened there, I don't get it" Then have to watch the scene several times again to get a part understanding.

The story shouldn't have to rely on
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Simply the Doctor is a genius
and for the viewer to faithfully just accept whatever happens.

Obviously Amy has been gone for at least 7-8 months.

Who's taken her, where has she gone, for what purpose.

I know that will all no doubt be explained, but there should have been an incident that has happened in a previous episode that facilitated her abduction, and that at the moment the doctor revealed this Amy to be a copy, the audience could go " I bet she was taken in that episode when..........."

They should even have thrown a curve so you thought you knew when she had been taken but it turned out to be some other time.

If you follow me.

The end of that last episode just seemed rushed and just didn't do it for me.

carlwaring 01-06-2011 11:25

Re: Doctor Who : Season 6
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35249394)
Moffat tweeted yesterday and responded simply by saying they are taking a rest for this series. Yet again the press have totally exagerated the story and made it bigger than it needed to be.

Now there's a shock; not :rolleyes:

Stephen 01-06-2011 11:25

Re: Doctor Who : Season 6
 
She was taken at the start of the series by the silents. It was fairly obvious really. It was not too subtle at all.

As soon as Amy told the doc she was pregnant then later in the episode said she wasn't, that is when he ran the scan and knew something was not right with her.

carlwaring 01-06-2011 11:26

Re: Doctor Who : Season 6
 
I should have spotted that :(
:bigcry:

Stuart 01-06-2011 12:11

Re: Doctor Who : Season 6
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35249394)
They aren't really going to be gone for that long.

Moffat tweeted yesterday and responded simply by saying they are taking a rest for this series. Yet again the press have totally exagerated the story and made it bigger than it needed to be.

I remember Moffat saying something before the start of the series about how he would bring the Daleks back if there was a good story to bring them back in. I don't think that's changed.

Pierre 01-06-2011 13:27

Re: Doctor Who : Season 6
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35249400)
She was taken at the start of the series by the silents. It was fairly obvious really. It was not too subtle at all.

As soon as Amy told the doc she was pregnant then later in the episode said she wasn't, that is when he ran the scan and knew something was not right with her.

Thanks... didn't spot it.

I'll have to go back and check it out.

watzizname 02-06-2011 05:23

Re: Doctor Who : Season 6
 
Surprised someone hasn't posted this already, but hey.

This is purportedly regarding the final episode of this series..

Probably best not to get too excited, as this was most likely posted by an overly enthusiastic fan, hoping that if he post it up, it'll come true?

Spoiler: 
IMDB has David Tennant's final appearance down as 8 October 2011.
Episode 13, series 6 (Title unknown)

Starring: Matt Smith, David Tennant and Peter Davison as the Doctor..
Other characters included are: Amy Pond, River Song, Rory Williams, Winston Churchill, Young Rory, The Silent, Dorium Maldavar, Malohkeh, Anderson , Young Mels and Dr. Kent .

No hint of the story (Shock, horror)

Nothing on Wikipedia though, they still have his final appearance as 2010.
Maybe the poster doesn't have editing privileges enabled over there ;)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1824359/

Really can't see the Moff going to all the trouble of swearing anyone in the know, to absolute secrecy, only to give IMDB the info, but it would be nice. :)

Stephen 02-06-2011 09:35

Re: Doctor Who : Season 6
 
Imdb can be edited by anyone though so it is probably nonsense.

Dave9946 02-06-2011 09:51

Re: Doctor Who : Season 6
 
In the same way anyone could say Davros is in the final episode and will be played by Tom Baker!.


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