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It will be interesting to see what effect this has on the pricing structure of the various TV packs.
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are sky sports hd channels not packaged in the same way as the sd channels? where sd ss1 package is actually 2 channels? if thats the case then there is no problem with them shifting content altho i could be wrong.
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Sky Sports 1 and 2 are single channels. They haven't included 3 or 4 for a couple of years
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Quick question I suppose HD PPV sports events from SKY box office will not be happening soon:(
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Well it did say VoD from basic and premium content.
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To be honest - I'll have to see just how much these extra charges will be. What with having the VIP pack and 3 Virgin mobiles in the house, I don't really think I want to be spending much more than I am now. It all adds up to one scary figure paid out to Virgin each month! Thinking about this today it's just all too bittersweet :( |
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Blimey....since this deal was 'rumoured', some of the nonsensical drivel that has been written across various forums is as laughable as a 42 year old still believing that a Fat White Bearded man comes down our chimneys on 25th December.
This is nothing to do with Virgin 'selling out' or Murdoch trying to dominate the world...its what business is about. Sky see it as commercially a good deal, likewise, Virgin TV saw it as commercially a good deal. END OF STORY. Its what happens in the business world and its not about SKY buying the TV business just to **** off Virgin Cable subscribers. Some people just cannot see a deal for what it is...just that and with no seedy undercurrent attached Yep, i will get slated for this....but I'm a realist, not a conspiracy theorist |
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I have no doubt that when the time is right the UKTV channels will also be sold but it's obviously more complicated with it being jointly owned. I would not be the least bit surprised if when this carriage deal comes to an end we won't be having these discussions as VM will be using their network for far more lucrative activities than linear television, in fact who knows if we will actually be watching linear TV then. |
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Just a thought I wonder what will happen to TNA, will SKY keep it on bravo or will it upset there contract with the WWE. :confused:
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The majority of people on the current board joined after either after the merger or the rebrand so cannot be classed as 'NTL' because by that time that company no longer existed There have also been enough restructures and technical changes within Virgin Media to make the 'but it's just NTL' argument sound stupid |
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As a new VM customer that has just left Sky HD this is fantastic news! :D
Now with the premium Sky channels in HD combined with VMs top draw on demand service I believe I'm a subscriber of the best TV package in the land. Is Sky News HD also coming to Virgin? |
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170 Sky1 HD 258 Sky Arts 1 HD 259 Sky Arts 2 HD 313 Sky Premiere HD 314 Sky Screen 1 HD 332 Sky Screen 2 HD 334 Sky Comedy HD 335 Sky Action HD 336 Sky Family HD 337 Sky Drama HD 338 Sky ScFi / Horror HD 339 Sky Modern Greats HD 344 Sky Movies Indie HD 408 Sky Sports HD1 409 Sky Sports HD2 and maybe: Sky News HD Sky Sports News HD? |
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A crap deal? That's speculation. Virgin will now have 29 HD channels and have wiped out the UPS of their main competitor, in exchange for the sale of channels which I personally, haven't watched that much for eons now. |
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im more a motorsport fan and with F1 being on BBC, BTCC on ITV along with the DTM, super league, F3 and GT1 on ESPN and the offerings on Eurpsort HD with WTCC and F2 im more than covered. sure Sky 1 is a good channel to have and we will finally get The Simpsons in HD but thats the only advantage of it for me. SS and SM offer me nothing i want or need so for me its a pretty pointless deal and a sellout to me to have access to 1 extra channel. unless VM offer SS1 and 2 for Free to XL customers (which i highly doubt will happen) the whole deal is not woth much to me at all as im not too fussed on having to subscribe. |
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good for you but many dont trust sky trogan horse bearing gifts for the sale of these channels. I agree with joff81 this is a useless deal for likely majority not everybody wants to give that company money or premier***** more greedy money. With the likelyhood Sky force virgin to drop HD from XL and make new HD subscription service. I have not watched sky pap for along time 24 was good at first but became like a soap opera churn rubbish. However the likelyhood bravo , living and virgin will become pap hybrid sky channels with the worst garbage. They well make sure Sky will take the best and put it on sky one. There no way they will keep the best shows like sparton on bravo or chuck. Sky will ruin them with stupid rubbish like another simpsons garbage channel. Dare I say even remove them all together. |
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not too bothered about sky as i only watch sky for SG1 / SGA / SGU and bones
Skysports news on sat so the 1st sign of a price rise for the HD i'll be of to freesat |
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who owns Comedy Central, because i want a HD channel from them. Its one of my favourite channels
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Nobody knows what is going to happen yet,Its all speculation and i can understand peoples concerns.I personally am worried by the deal,Dont and never will trust SKY,The deal has been on the go for the last year so surely vm when they spent thousands on new adverts stating no extra charge for HD they had planned for this day.Personally think all HD Channels will be included with XL apart from movies and sports,If you already recieve them you will get HD versions included as long as you are on XL.All sky have done as bought some channels not VM,They will have no say in what is chargeable and what isnt that is down to vm and i dont think they would risk hiking prices otherwise the sceptics will be right.
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This is good news particularly for people such as myself with no access to sky, i will now hopefully on sky sports be able to access cricket matches that start on the normal sky sports channels then switch to red button interactive which has made me mad in the past.
I have given up on the number of posters some here others on D/S that stated sky will never give vm access to red button interactive on sky sports what did they know,others have said skys interactive service was not compatible with vm,that also looks to be cr-p as vm in their press release mention getting sky sports interactive why would they do that if their tv system was incompatible! I am one happy person now with sky sports vm customers may actually recieve all they pay for in their sub and about time too.:) |
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Says who? Asked them all have you? For years, numerous posters and VM customers have been banging on about the absence of Sky One HD; Sky Sports HD; Sky Movies HD; Red button. Now we've got them, finally. As for 'stupid rubbish', the VMTV channels were filled with that, IMO. They won't be missed in my house and as part of the deal, well get them anyway for the next 9 years at least. Each VM customer will need to ask themselves 'is this deal better for me?', regardless of what they think of Sky and its owner. Worrying for the next 9 years about what Sky may or may not do is pointless, I'd rather enjoy the services I'm paying for and the HD extra channels which I now have the option of watching on Digital Cable. |
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Well, Comedy central has two and a half men, the office, 30 Rock, king of queens, Everybody loves raymond, Scrubs and stand up comedy, which i am sure has HD, esepcially the newer programs
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Another thing worth pointing out here:
VM's TV customer base will surely grow. Tivo; the 'free' HD channels we've received upto now; the V HD box; Now this deal. VM will surely break that 5 million TV customer barrier within the next 9 years. Last time Sky dicked VMTV around, Sky One lost 23% of its audience overnight. Another carriage dispute would hurt Virgin. But it would also hurt Sky as well. Their ratings for 17 HD channels would be hit, along with the Sky Basic channels. I don't think their advertisers would be pleased, they certainly weren't last time. There was even talk back then of Sky moving some football to Sky 1 just to bump up that channel's ratings to the pre-Sky Basic Wars level. This deal is good for both Sky and VM because it makes them both stronger and it helps to weaken their common enemy: Freeview. |
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A big question l would like to ask is, As Sky have bought VMTV, will they have control over the channels that we watch ?
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BSkyB are happy, Virgin Media are happy, more importantly the investors of both are happy. It's a deal that benefits both companies. Virgin get interactive and HD content along with getting shot of some of their unwanted content division as they push on towards being a pure distributor of content, VMTV gets the expertise, experience and production resources of Sky, Sky increase their portfolio of channels and, most relevant to them, get Virgin 1's Freeview slot.
Be under no allusion, Sky really wanted the Virgin 1 Freeview slot ;) I struggle to see a downside beyond paranoid people thinking that Sky are going to go out of their way to screw over Virgin Media and in the process get the Competition Commission slapping them down and probably forcing structural separation on them as the kind of abuses of their vertical integration required to do so would certainly get some most unwanted attention. |
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Those who think that Sky are now in a dominating position with the pay channels should remember that with those ex-VM channels, Sky's share of the UK audience soars from 7% to ... 10%. Advertising share from 16% to 19.5%. Hardly a quantum shift. Now if Murdoch Jnr's plans for ITV had taken off, that would be different, but these are small channels and best sold by Virgin, especially with the HD, red button and on demand stuff soon to flow our way.
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Yes at this point everybody a winner but here is the issue what happens when sky lose churn to virgin media. They wont take that lying down and there real danger this could happen to sky. Especially if people was so bothered about red button HD sky content to move to Sky for these features. In sense this much a dangerous move for sky in someways if they lost these as bargaining tool to get sky subscribers. If you take both platforms sky benefits are small compared HD/red button but VM has the vod service. This now basiclly mean sky could lose subscribers. If the next five years there customer base shrinks to any significant levels there next spat will be swift and VM will be in a real mess. There lies why its dangerous for virgin media allowing Sky control of content. VM taking a risk allowing a rival the power to remove significant british viewing content. Also putting alot of faith that OFCOM and other regulation bodies to keep SKY playing ball. These organisations did not stop sky removing channels before. If sky lose 3-4 million to virgin I cant see sky doing nothing and wounded company with sky reputation is a dangerous animal. This is my fear its like a trogan horse bearing gifts. Like someone mentioned and its a good point they dont care about the channels just the freeview slot and I suspect for there picnic. If they get picnic out and ruin freeview making it worthless then they win same time they control VM content weaken they position and Digital has only one platform SKY. This the big picture in sky mind but people dont see it sadly. Its not about now its about future domination of digital television. |
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Sorry, that post doesn't really make sense.
5 years from now the two will be in the middle of a 9 year agreement so nothing will happen. Virgin 1 is a single Freeview slot, Sky won't kill off Freeview they just want to pimp premium content through it. Sky won't lose 3 - 4 million to Virgin, that's silly numbers and would require basically every Sky subscriber in a VM passed area to switch. Lastly Sky don't exist to serve as many direct customers as possible, they exist to make their shareholders as much money as possible. Whether they do this through retail sales or a combination of retail sales and wholesale doesn't matter. They will be expecting to lose some customers but likewise will expect this loss of revenue to be more than compensated through increased ad and wholesale revenue. That's the big and the small picture in the Sky mind, shareholder value, nothing to do with 'domination'. Excessively monopolistic behaviour would just get regulators from Ofcom upwards through the Competition Commission and the EC jumping on them and Sky really aren't that stupid. They pick fights with regulators because it's their duty to their shareholders to do everything possible to resist the regulation, not to commit suicide and get split into at least two sections - broadcaster and content provider. |
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Damn I have joined this group late.
My Thoughts on what I have read so far. I think this is a good deal for all parties, Sky have got loads of HD subscribers now, and it is likely the ones with Sports/Movies will keep there channels and the ones who dont subscribe to those premium channels probably never will except for maybe Xmas. For Sky this is an excellent opportunity to gain extra income from Virgin's Sky premium hd subscribers, money that chances are they would'nt get unless they allowed for said content to be provided on VM's platform. For us this means the HD channels we have all craved for a long time now are really COMING SOON. I admit I hope there is no extra charge for these services and I will keep my fingers crossed. For those concerned about Virgin1 I quietly think Virgin were struggling with this station and Chuck fans like myself this is the last season anyway. Also dont expect Sky to strip the quality from these channels and place on their own, because a) these are sky channels now & b) they would want to promote their vast choice of channels not one amazing one and hundreds are poor channels. Tna Wrestling may need a new home, there is no way WWE will allow Sky to show their competition on one of there channels. ESPN may step in here, Spike show both TNA and UFC in the States, TNA in HD (sort of) ESPN's HD has been poor since launch. Comedy Central HD would be great but there is very little HD content on there(Scrubs season 8 only, 30 Rock, Two & a Half, South Park, Rules of Engagement and Sam Who & The Office), other shows Raymond, King of Queens, Frasier etc are all SD only. |
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Mikey1981 dont know where you get your info from,But This aint the last season of chuck and regards to TNA,Bravo only signed a new deal with tna recently so that aint gonna be going anywhere soon.
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Sorry Chuck was on the bubble and was going to be cancelled they filmed two different season 3 endings because of this, I am a fan of the show. Regardless of Bravo's recent deal the channel has a new owner I would be suprised if they conitune to show after this deal goes through, I hope not on extreme as the sd picture quality is awful.
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I would expect to see Chuck on Sky 1.
With both 24 and Lost ending, they will need stuff to fill the gap. |
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Freeview is a total mess (can someone tell me why on earth there is a Russian news channel on Freeview?!), and Sky aren't helping. |
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will the recent sky/vm deal affect the vod side of thnigs at all for us?
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Yes, it should mean more content. In the press release it says that not only will VM continue to offer VOD content from the former VMtv channels but also Sky basic and premium content.
Now there have been a few posts about VM betting on VoD being the future, well think again, 9 probably isn't really enough time for things to change that dramatically but if they do VM will still be stuck. Currently when Sky buy a show they buy the Free to air rights, pay TV rights and the VOD rights. Not being content owners anymore means that they are now reliant on Sky for more then just TV channels. You can hark on all you want about Catch up TV but that is just a glorified PVR service. HBO and Warner TV as good as they are have the same shows over and over again and it can be frustrating to follow a show. Although it will be nice to get Sky stuff on demand now. +1 for another Comedy Central HD channel, I watch this channel a lot and would love to see all the newer shows in HD. |
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I have gotten so bored with the whole "will they/won't they" rubbish about red button and HD that I couldn't care less if they do or they don't, none of it interests me.
In 2002 I worked for ntl, the red button services were "coming soon" back then. They still aren't here, just like caller display. Does anyone actually care any more? I don't! I use the TV service because overall I prefer it to Sky and I have a long-term affection for the cable platform, but that's a loyalty VM do not deserve. |
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People were saying that about season three and that the 13 episode order would be the last bit if Chuck we got. Chuck certainly seems to be the little show that could.
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I emailed them last year and didn't get a reply.
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Red button services were with-held by Sky for commercial reasons for so long and now they really are coming... they are completing the rollout of Caller Display in the remaining ExNTL blackspots (Telewest already was fully rolled out for years). They have got everyone on 1 super-headend... they have rolled out HD ..are in the process of rolling out TIVO this year... They have the best VOD platform in the UK.. :) |
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Yes i agree with you Digital Fanatic vm have done really well with the tv/cable service. Red Button interactive on sky sports is absolutely fantastic news, i have already re-subscribed to sky sports this is something i wanted more then anything else. And in my opinion seeing as vm customers pay roughly the same as skys own for the sports channels, should never have been witheld in the first place,i see it as part of the subscription myself,bl--dy annoying starting to watch a match on ordinary sky sports channels only to have it continued on red button only.
Also now we have been switched over BBC news mutiscreen works! and the extra HD channels are welcome,although when the sky ones come would i actually pay more then now for them i would doubt it,but others that want to pay for them can have them,and ESPN included in tv XL is great too. And my broadband service is second to none in my area,all in all since NTL as was in our area changed to vm i feel the company has made great strides forward on the service front. Except in one area only that is communication with us customers which sometimes leaves much to be desired and is the one area where i feel improvement needs to be made.:) |
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I know the deal has just been set but has anybody got any idea of timescale for these new HD & red button services comming to VM?
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[QUOTE=Digital Fanatic;35035008]It should work.. Anyone else having a problem?[COLOR="Silver"]
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I have filled in VM forms before using my current e-mail address, I can't think why this would be any different. I must admit I don't really want to change my browser just for one form. I think it is one of two things, first; I'm going to check my browser/internet settings, if that doesn't work then I think It's VMs' end. If there is anyone else out there having the same trouble then it might be VMs' end, if I am the ONLY one (which I think is doubtful) then I'll check things my end. Thanks for you r reply Ben. P.S. if all else fails I got you guys out there to inform me on here! :) |
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I use Firefox but have now tried using IE, and get the same failure. Since there are a number of ntlworld members here having this problem, I suspect that there is something amiss with the registration process. --John |
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I've just tried putting in 'test@ntlworld.com' on the page and it goes through fine
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Also if it has registered me with an email address of test@ntlword.com, how will it be able to email me with updates for future TV services to my real email address? Or am I missing something here :dunce: --John |
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Seems like there is some problematic field validation going on then
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Maybe a good point if those of you who cannot register have any of the above "characters" in your email address. As a matter of interest has anyone been able to register with any of the above characters...... if so, then that theory is out the window! |
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