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This may actually work - here's hoping.

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I worried of a rejection by the Lib Dems, they taking ages. No mention of the AV thing since yesterday and I am wondering if it got pulled at the last moment. Fixed Term Parliaments is ok but not a massive concession whereas the tax thing is rumored to be just a 'priority'.

Probably just worried over nothing though.

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Browns already back in North Queensferry - how fast was that?

And where was his luggage when he left Downing Street?

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Is this really a coalition, or rather the dissolving of the liberal democrats

Re: The New British Government: David Cameron is Prime Minister
 

A coalition

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Anybody seen Flyboy this evening? :D

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God the Lib Dems are taking ages. Debating if i should go bed or not.

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Yep. I saw him going into the study with a bottle of gin and a revolver... :shocked:

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...010/05/150.jpg

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Unfortunately, it was the study at No 10 - he's going to get the result he wanted, one way or another......

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So Lib Dems approved the deal then?

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Unless he gets mixed up with who get's what...

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The Lib Dems are debating if you should go to bed or not? Wow... ;)

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Well they are coming with me so....

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Ok nuts to this. Indecisive gits have made me wait one more day.

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They will first have to go through the deal that was hammered out, discuss it, and then have a vote. It takes time.

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Finally:

• Emergency Budget in 50 days
  • 6bn Cuts this year
  • Scrap rise in NI
  • £10,000 tax free allowance to be phased in <-- Lib Dem
  • Capital Gains Tax <-- Lib Dem
  • No Inheritance Tax <-- Lib Dem
  • Marriage Tax Breaks
• Trident stays but funding and budget to be looked at.
• No further power transfer to EU, No Euro
• 5 year fixed term parliaments <-- Lib Dems
• Queen approves Nick Clegg as Deputy PM

No AV in that list. Not sure what that is about.

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I've just heard that there'll be 20 posts handed out by the Con's to the lib's.

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From this thread? :D

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No, not this thread.

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Joking aside (well from me anyway), when you say "posts" are you actually referring to cabinet positions?
If so, who told you there would be 20, and how large do you think the cabinet is?

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Thank god for that now things can start moving and we can get about sorting out the giant mess thats been left. Why do i get the sinking feeling though that once the new masters have had things looked at the hole were in is going to be deeper and wider then we all thought it was as hard as that may be to think.

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A statement from Nick Clegg is expected in a few minutes.

Near unanimous support apparently.

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Deal!

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Not the result I voted for but then again three terms is enough for any government to hold sole power, I must say I think the LD's entering into a full coalition with the Tories could well prove to be a good thing for progressives in this country, this way both sides have to compromise meaning that any ideological fantasies some Tories might have had will have to be binned.
Personally I'm of the opinion that no party should end up with a big majority, it just seems to encourage ministers of the day to pay lip-service to parliament and to try and run things from a small clique of people in number 10.
One point I would like to raise is the near hysteria some posters seem to be experiencing about a so called "rudderless ship", this fallacy is ridiculous the civil service have not suddenly disappeared from their jobs, and anything important enough to require the attention of a minister, like Darling attending a meeting with Europe's finance ministers the other day was being taken care off.
Methinks its more to do with misdirected anger towards the LD's because they dared to speak with Labour, either way its immaterial now as we now have a solution that thanks to the fact it wasn't rushed through in a couple of hours to appease our biased press, has a very real chance of lasting.
Five days to do a deal that'll last or a few hours to appease Murdochs toilet paper?? thankfully Cameron had a bit more savvy.

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Blimey Rizzy, you seem to be in a dark hole yourself mate.:)

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Surely you gave it just a little thought Gary? you must have seen the polls showing a Tory lead mate.
This is exactly why I totally disagree when people say we should have compulsory voting, in Australia the ballot papers are printed with the "running order" different on each paper, so as the party listed at the top of the page doesn't over benefit from people coming in and just putting a cross in the first box.
Do we really want people who put more thought into voting on the X-factor being "made" to vote here?:td:
Aarrh I says no..:)

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List of coalition policies here (from 12:16 onwards):

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...2010-live-blog

"Lib Dems priorities that have been secured

• Referendum to bring in some form of alternative vote system. Coalition members will be subject to three-line whip to force the legislation for a referendum through, but they will be free to campaign against the reforms before referendum. "


I think that is a pretty good list of policies, with some surprising (but necessary) concessions from both sides.

And I am very pleased to see mention of a FREEDOM BILL and other civil liberty measures! :D

RIP ID Cards & other nonsense & goodbye New Labour Authoritarianism :D

Nice that both parties in coalition support civil liberties, & want to undo some of Labour's crap.

The fixed term parliament deal is going to apply to *this* parliament too. 5 year terms, only broken by an "enhanced majority". So, although there can still be an early election in some circumstances (presumably no confidence comes under that, as the other side would have an enhanced majority), no longer will the PM be able to go "quick, the polls are good - call an election now!".

That, plus what has been said by people on both sides, suggests strongly that each party is in this for the long term, they want this to work.

Yup, from what I saw on the BBC, Sky & elsewhere it was something like:

5 Cabinet positions: Deputy PM (Clegg), Scottish Secretary (Danny Alexander), Education Secretary (Laws), Chief Secretary to the Treasury (Cable), Home Secretary (Huhne).

Along with various other Ministerial positions, totalling 20 (not sure if that includes the more senior ones above).


Confirmation on the various positions (other than Deputy PM, which we already know is definite), along with policies, is expected on Wednesday.


Yep! :D

Unanimous support from the Lib Dem Parliamentary Party.

Near-unanimous support (one "No" vote) from the Lib Dem Federal Executive.


Clegg's statement: http://www.libdemvoice.org/statement...-mp-19452.html

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Yup, I'm glad they took their time over it. Hell, compared to Europe though it was rushed - apparently deals can take a month to negotiate in some countries!

Re. anger toward the Lib Dems:

I don't think the talks with Labour were particularly serious. From what I have read, the Lib Dems were utterly unimpressed with what Labour offered (which was, I believe... the Labour manifesto) & felt that no real concessions were made by them. And of course various senior Labour MPs publicly trashed the idea of a coalition with the Lib Dems.

Sky Guardian

There was nothing illegitimate about them talking with Labour, anyway. I think convention would actually have dictated that they talked to them *first*, as the incumbents. Clegg kept his word that he'd talk to the party with the mandate first & had proper, serious, talks with the Tories. They later talked to Labour, & later still had more formal talks, but I think they knew nothing would come of it.

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Re. anger toward the Lib Dems from those on the Left, including people who may have voted Lib Dem this time to "keep the Tories out":

They (the voters) should get over it.

People voting Lib Dem didn't produce a Tory win, people voting Tory did. They got the highest no. of votes & the highest no. of seats. The main swing was from Labour votes to Tory votes (5% swing IIRC), not Labour votes to Lib Dem votes. The main seat change was Labour to Tory, not Labour to Lib Dem. 90-odd seats changed from Labour to the Tories, that's why they "won". The Lib Dems actually lost seats, they didn't cost Labour the election. Labour cost themselves the election.

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Oh, something I meant to reply to in the previous thread, but forgot before it was locked:

Regarding "Baron Mandelson of Foy in the county of Herefordshire and Hartlepool in the county of Durham"...

A previous post saying that the Dark Lord could use the Peerage Act 1963 to resign his peerage and enable him to seek election to the House of Commons is incorrect.

Mandelson is a life peer, not a hereditary peer. Only hereditary peers may disclaim their peerages under the Peerage Act 1963.

Labour did plan on introducing legislation enabling life peers to resign, as part of the recent Constitutional Reform Bill. IIRC some people did allege at the time that perhaps it was aimed at enabling Mandelson to resign his peerage and get back in the Commons...

However, the Bill was dropped in the run up to the dissolution of Parliament.

So Mandelson is stuck with his life peerage and barred from entering the House of Commons...

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Peerages have often been given to trouble makers to keep them out of the commons, Thatcher often used that technique to keep non-conformists quiet and I always considered that was why Mandelson was given his.

I'm fairly happy about the coalition, not because I thought Gordon Brown did anything particularly bad - this country was, up until the bank crisis, in pretty good shape and many economists considered him to be our best Chancellor for a very long time, but in truth Chancellor was probably the best place for him, he was never made to be a Prime Minister with all the attention and media gouging that job brings. I'm happy for a couple of reasons, the alternative would have been a coalition between many competing interests removing focus from the target of stability, the Tories economically tend to be fairly reliable if a little naive and short-sighted and maybe this time they'll understand a little more of the meaning of social cohesion and how to avoid being as divisive as they have in the past - doubtful I know. The second reason being we finally may have a change to the voting system that allows everyone to feel like their vote means something and hopefully increase turnout as a bonus, assuming it is a PR system as opposed to an AV system which would simply replace a two party dictatorship with a three party version.

I suspect the Lib-Dems will blunt some of the sharper, more extreme edges of the Tories, most of which get hidden below election-time duvets, and if they can't I'll expect the BBC to re-use their dust-free sets for Election 2011.

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:rofl:

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:rofl:

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I know it's a little late but where is the 'We will see' option in the poll?:D

As long as this government works to prevent local councils from misusing terrorist laws to spy on their constituents in regards to school places,littering etc,etc.

And also knocks on the head the idea that some police and others have that no one is allowed to photograph anyone or anything on UK streets UNLESS they are an OBVIOUS bomb target such as a police station or MOD property.

That's if they are actually keen to redress the erosion of civil liberties.

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I'm in the 'We will see" bracket so undecided seemed to be closest option.

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Would have liked this option - Chose undecided as being the nearest.

All in all seems like sensible people in sensible places, just not too sure about Osborne. :erm:

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I'm just delighted that Brown and his cohorts have finally been dumped! Of course these are uncharted waters and we're all going to have to wait and see how things work out. Fingers crossed that we haven't already gone past the point of no return and tipped over the edge of the financial abyss....

I'm hoping that the presence of the Lib Dems within the government may just assuage the paranoid, hysterical, hatred of some of those whose seem to think that the Tories eat babies for breakfast, get off on making life as hard as possible for us mere mortals and aim to turn us all into a nation of subservient serfs.

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I have to say, I think the Tories have got on over on them there!

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We just need to dig up!

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Sounds promising. Any idea of what else will be in the freedom bill? I am hoping for no innocent people on DNA database, a judge needs to approve any request from police for personal data, and such.

Should be 4 years if you ask me.

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While I'm sure they are grateful for your vote, I doubt they consider your bedtime important enough to be worth debating. I imagine they were probably too busy discussing the coalition. ;) :p:

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Honestly, there's always a critic or three. :rolleyes: :p:

'Undecided' and 'we will see' are semantically similar enough, I think.

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Part of Transformational Leadership is Individual Consideration, so they may have been discussing Damien's bed-time, and who should be tucking him in (Dave or Nick). :D

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...010/05/148.jpg

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ooo tough choice!

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Correct. A couple of weeks is pretty much the norm in The Netherlands, and people don't get worked up over it. In Holland the Queen will appoint a person (usually from the biggest party) tasked with talking to all parties who will then decide on the most likely coalition before formal talks between parties commence. Talks can break down, and multiple coalition choices may be considered. People don't get worked up about it, and don't see the country as a rudderless ship. Instead, policy for the coming 4 years is laid out, and rather than rushing it through to form a government, this is considered a process that is worth taking time over to make sure that parties reach a viable agreement. As said elsewhere, the world doesn't stop spinning during this period. The civil servants are in place to deal with any urgent matters, and there is a parliament. The only thing that doesn't happen is that no bills of any importance are passed in parliament. It really isn't a big deal provided it doesn't last ages.

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And here's the money shot:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...1&d=1273653343

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I really want to know what's happening now! When we will get this 'repeal' act designed to overturn all the awful bills Labour passed regarding civil liberties, what will be in that act? The £10,000 tax free allowance will be phased in, will we see this in the emergency budget?

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The BBC reporting Alastair Campbell's comments Alastair, get over it - you're history, and nobody cares what you think.....

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Danny Alexander in the Scottish Office is a master stroke. Tories and Conservative between them have 35% of the vote in Scotland, but thanks to FPTP the almost even split in the Tory/Lib Dem share of the vote translated into 1 Tory seat and 11 Lib Dem seats.

This won't stop the SNP bleating about 'mandate' but at least the Coalition now has a credible answer to it.

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An elected Lords with full PR is on the cards, 'early in the next parliament' - BBC

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The more I hear, the more excited I'm getting. Does anyone else think there is a massive, massive opportunity for good stuff to happen here?

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btw The collation has 59% of votes and 56% of seats. :)

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I can't wait to see them give the middle finger to ID cards. And, hopefully, the restrictions on demonstrations outside Parliament and 28-day detention.

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Wait what does that mean? After 5 years or in the parliament about to be made?

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Innocent people removed from DNA database as well.

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Quite right! I'm sick of hearing spinners like him and Mandelson who refuse to accept what the public have told them. They did it whilst in office and no doubt they'll carry on out of office. They only hear what they want to hear.

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Yes. I see this as an opportunity to fundamentally change the nature of British politics. Proper and constructive collaboration between parties that represent a majority of the popular vote. A novel idea, I know, but it might just catch on.

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This. ;)

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35019853) Wait what does that mean? After 5 years or in the parliament about to be made?

I assume it's the one about to be formed. There would be little point in mentioning it now if it wasn't going to happen until after the next election (which, apparently, is now formally set to happen in 2015).

Quote:

Innocent people removed from DNA database as well.

Yes, I was forgetting that. It already happens in Scotland. IIRC this has to happen in England now anyway, thanks to a court ruling.

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At least we won't get a 3rd runway at Heathrow! (and probably no crossrail either)

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From the Guardian link posted by Matt earlier:

So yes, it sounds like innocent people will be removed :tu:

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I am ecstatic about the House of Lords being reformed to a fully PR elected house. Exactly what I wanted and posted about in the previous thread.

The more I see the more I like it. The Lib Dems seem to have pushed back on some of the more dubious Tory policies while the Tories have pushed back on some of the Lib Dems more dubious policies with the result being a pretty centrist and sensible sounding policy set along with rolling back Labour's authoritarianism and state expansion.

Optimistic. Here's hoping they deliver.

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Aaah, the marvels of 'weak and inefficient government' :)

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That's the one that I'm really excited about, especially the scrapping of the register. If BBKing were here (haven't seen him for ages) he would point out that the holding of the data, more than the manifestation of it on a card, was the real nub of the issue. And it's going to be gone.

I am so, so glad to see these plans to dismantle Labour's authoritarian nanny state.

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I am really excited. Hope they push a lot of this though fast.

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No change of Government would be complete without the removal van shot. :D

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...1&d=1273658301

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Mercifully they seem to have put the task at hand ahead of tribal politics. I am optimistic and really hope that it stays that way.

We'll see if the initial fears were correct though, but yes I'm enthusiastic given the signs so far. It still has the potential to be weak and inefficient, here's hoping I was wrong.

I was always wanting an elected HoL. It's an affront to democracy that it was any other way and the HoL is made for PR.

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I suppose one positive is that idiotic excuse for a human being, Michael Gove, won't have a job in cabinet.

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I have heard that they have made an agreement to have a fixed term parliament. Now, with "Dave's" manifesto promise of being able to recall government, if they are not doing there jobs properly, has that gone out the window.

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That implies that you are accepting that Labour have made a mess of things. ;)

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True. The lithmus test will be if they can co-operate on future difficult decisions. It's relatively easy to hammer out the initial package as the giving and taking takes place at the same time. It also makes it easier to sell unpopular measures to the grassroots by saying these were necessary to get the other party onboard. It remains to be seen ho much real trust and genuine willingness to cooperate there will be down the line, but so far, I'm optimistic.

The unelected Lords are an anachronism, so it's great to see them go. It's one of the things one would have expected Labour to fix a long time ago. Instead it's the Tories and Lib Dems that do it. :clap: :clap:

Oh, and 60% of those who voted voted for the for one of the parties in power. That's got to be a good thing...

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The Tory policy was recall of MPs to face a by-election, not recall of an entire Government. Recall of Government already exists - Parliament can take a vote of no confidence. That, incidentally, will remain the case even under a five-year fixed parliament. In fact, it will now be the only way to trigger a general election in less than 5 years.

I understand that recalling individual MPs is going to be part of the overall electoral reform package the coalition is to put forward.

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But if enough MPs are re-called, that will surely trigger a GE.

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I don't like the guy either.... however Sky News reported he may be the new Home Secretary! (shudder)

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Oh dear God!!!

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I remember feeling excited 13 years ago the day Blair entered No10, that excitement soon wore off.

Let's hope something good comes from this new setup, judging from history/experience, I very much doubt it.

PMQ's should be fun.

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When do you think we will see the House of Lords details? Will it go to referendum? I want this done soon, so we are ready for it. I am very happy with this!

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I wouldn't hold your breath. Can't see the Tories wanting to risk their majority in the House of Lords being whittled away by the plebs, can you?

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Flyboy, have you by any chance been locked in a barochamber for the past 24 hours?

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Kind of, I have been locked in a school hall helping SEN children with their SATs.

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Then you really need to tune into the BBC News channel and browse the news websites a bit first. You seem to be missing a lot of detail about the nature of the coalition that are important if you want to develop an informed opinion of what's unfolding today.

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Since when did some Labour voters need an informed opinion? Why bother with that when one can have past prejudices and their own ideology? If the previous thread showed nothing it was the tenuous basis on which some voted Labour. It was either all about a Conservative PM from 20 years ago, about mistaken beliefs on Tory welfare policy, mistaken thoughts on Tory civil liberties policy, or just a sense of entitlement and the fear that the tax payer wouldn't keep suckling under anyone bar Labour.

I felt masochistic so read the diatribe from disgruntled voters here.

It's... tragic really how poorly informed people seem to be, not least because of their total indifference to the country's present economic issues. Me, me, me, nasty Tories cutting services, nasty Tories won't let me leech welfare, nasty Tories will raise our taxes and give it all to their rich friends, waaaaaaah, give me my unpaid for services and welfare.

The whole 'Big Society' is going to be a tough thing to accomplish when society has so many small people in it whose only ambition in life is to avoid work and whose main hobbies are watching daytime TV, being obnoxious and engaging in jealous reverse snobbery with those who work for a living and are financially better off.

What is with this whole reverse snobbery thing? Frankly it's getting up my nose. When did it become such a crime to better oneself, and why is it so accepted to look down on those who worked their way up to something better, and why is it considered fine to have no desire at all to better oneself or one's lot in life but instead to settle down to a life of living off the tax payer or working a job you hate, living in a life you hate, and whining jealously about those who have bettered themselves.

If it were just those who were born with a silver spoon in their arse that are getting complained about I'd be fine but it's everybody who isn't 'working class' who gets complained about. How dare people want a better life.

OK I feel better now. :D

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In fairness, there is a fair amount of tribalism coming from the Tory camp as well. Just as you get Labour voters blaming Thatcher for all the world's ills, you get Tory voters bleating on about Labour in the 70s. For God's sake, that's nearly 40 years ago.

Personally, I blame the FPTP system and resulting seesaw politics for these entrenched attitudes. You don't get nearly as much of this in countries that are used to coalition governments, as you frequently get the equivalents of Labour/Tories ruling together. Nobody in his right mind would be bleating about what one particular party did wrong 35 years ago, as they probably did it in coalition with a party that is more palatable to the person in question.

Re: The New British Government: David Cameron is Prime Minister
 

The combined effects of the recession and Icelandic volcano has probably made that less likely anyway. ;)

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Me too! ;)

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What happens at PMQ's now? Is it just a straight out slanging match between Con/Lib and Labour or does one of the 'diddy' parties like the SNP/PC get the job of the third largest party.

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So, go on, tell us where any of those comments on the BBC website are any more informed that you are. Where have people on here been misinformed? Are you seriously trying to tell us the Cameron has told us the truth about what he has planned?

"Prime Ministers should be voted into 10 Downing Street by the people of Britain, not because their party has stitched up some deal"

And

"Those who can should and those who can't, we will always help. I want to make sure that my government always looks after the elderly, the frail, the poorest in our country."

Are words that will very soon come back and bite well and truly on the arse.

Re: The New British Government: David Cameron is Prime Minister
 

Labour attack the Government. Cameron argues back, Clegg periodically shouts "ooo oh no you didn't!!!" and "oh yeah! tell it Dave"

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After that first paragraph I really don't need to dignify that with a response.

Election season is over, other people can read the comments and make up their own minds, as looking at the last sentence in the above paragraph you already have.

You'll have to put me in touch with wherever you bought your crystal ball given you appear utterly certain about the future.

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Clegg will 'do' PMQ's in Cameron's absence. Should be interesting ;)

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One doesn't need a crystal ball to work out that Cameron is not telling the truth. He is foremost a Tory and nothing they have ever said could be described as decent, truthful or honourable.

This springs to mind:

"Prime Ministers should be voted into 10 Downing Street by the people of Britain, not because their party has stitched up some deal"

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Your dogged tribalism is just cheapening the discussion. Even the Labour MPs who have been on TV this morning haven't thought it appropriate to make these sorts of slurs.

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Nice try to spin. His party, with him at the helm, gained the largest amount of votes nationally and the largest amount of seats. The result being that a coalition with his party as the main group can be formed. Not quite the same as a transfer of power without even an internal party election mid way through parliament.

As said above your tribalism cheapens the discussion. Even I at my most tribal did not go as far as saying that nothing Labour ever did was decent, truthful or honourable, quite the opposite I have complimented them on some of their achievements. You are simply not open to any kind of discussion on this matter as you are so stubbornly anti-Tory.

It's amusing that in other threads you criticise people for being prejudiced, etc, yet make comments like the above. A comment from the BBC page comes to mind.

These past few days have been largely statemanship and good politics at its' finest. Two not necessarily compatible parties coming together, accepting differences, compromising and hammering out a way forward despite, not because of, party views as opposed to Labour taking a similar view to the one in the quote above and essentially offering the Lib Dems their manifesto.

The same inflexibility you show with your unwavering belief that you're right was the same one Labour showed by all accounts, and is one of the reasons they are now the opposition despite the unwavering support of their Tory-hating base.

I'm sure I've asked this before but I'll ask again - what is the nature of your business? What do you do / produce? Is it something that will suffer under ConLib such as, I don't know, CCTV cameras or advanced biometrics, maybe DNA profiling equipment?

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Cameron/Clegg news conference due at 2.15pm - will be live on BBC News:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/playlive/bbc_news24/

They're holding it in the rose garden of No.10, very American. :D

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It's on now.

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.. and following a clear pre-election promise to 'the people of Britain' by Blair that he'd serve a full third term as PM and stand down just prior to the following election....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...ourconference2

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You really are blinded by hatred and prejudice, aren't you - you appear to be stating that over ten and half million people in this country are indecent, liars, and dishonourable.

Shame on you.

Ahem - isn't that what the Labour Party were trying to do with the Lib Dems? Or is that "different"?

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And the probability of this scenario is? Or are we just grasping at straws?

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Post of the month. :clap:

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Seconded.... :tu:

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Jeez, you're not a big fan of facts, are you?

House of Lords (since Labour "reformed" it to only leave 92 life peers (I think they should have got rid of them all)).

Peers
Labour 211
Tories 188
Lib Dems 72
UKIP 2
Crossbenchers 182
Lords Spiritual 25
Others 24
Total = 704


So out of a total of 704 Peers, the Conservatives have 188 - must be a new definition of "majority" I haven't come across before.:D

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What have you been told about bringing facts into discussions? :nono:

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Well. Feel the love. :D

Clegg and Cameron that is ...

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I know but he just won't listen will he?... :D

I'm getting in my mind's eye a caricature-like vision of someone mired in the visceral hatred and prejudice of the past. Of course I might be totally wrong... :erm:

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I loved the exchange when Cameron was asked: "Do you regret saying your favourite joke was Nick Clegg"?

Clegg: "Did you say that?"

Cameron: "Afraid I did!"

Clegg: "Right. I'm Off".


I am concerned there is still little mention of this supposed reform on the House of Lords. Surely the headline policy.....

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Q: What's your favourite joke?
A: Nick Clegg

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Aghh This is too promising!

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"Cameron & Clegg"

:D

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Put me down for a ticket.

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It would be, on any other day. But on a day like today, everything that happens is a headline policy. Be patient, it will all come out soon enough. ;)

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Who wants to take bets on a duet of Wind beneath my wings being sung before the end of the term?

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Good grief. The amount of sense being spoken today is astounding!

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And me

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The result of the election is clear - it was a hung parliament that is what people voted for - The Conservatives had the largest share of the votes, 2 million more than that useless Labour party and then they negotiated an agreement with the Lib Dems to have the most stable and overall majority Government.

Again you are not realising that the losers of this election were the Labour party and if you are talking about honour then can you explain why the Labour party were attempting to 'stitch up some deal' to remain in power?

I suspect you will not answer that though like you avoid most valid points put your way. I thought a few weeks ago you are not good at debating - the above nonsense from you clearly proves it.

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bookmakers are taking bets round where l live, on how long it will last, the last time it last 119 days. There was a colation government, it didn't last.

Some Lib Dems voters l know, have vowed not to vote Libs again, due to this partnership.

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I have no doubt there will be Lib Dem voters that are upset. The reality however is that Clegg has put his money where his mouth is, and taken responsibility. In doing so, the Tory manifesto has been tempered and this has lead to a centrist manifesto which actually has the possibility to unite rather than split the population. Given the election result, this really is the best and most constructive outcome we could have.

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The problem with some people in this country is that they have their head so far stuck in the past (and up their arse if I may say so).

This is a brand new era of politics. This has the potential to be history in the making. A brand new start and yet barely a day has passed of the new Coalition Government and some people react like they want it to fail already.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politi...10/8677933.stm

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The last time there was a coalition government was during the last war, and that just about lasted until the end of hostilities, so several years.

The last Lib/Lab pact was not a coalition.;)

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But that was an Arthur Rantâ„¢, Iadom ... facts are irrelevant. ;)

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Arthur

why do i think you are one of those stuck in the past. Bet you still think the earth is flat.