Re: Police to Not Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup
 

Aah, didn't realise someone else had claimed that honoured, thank you. :D

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

"England flag police crackdown rumour 'nonsense' "

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

So to put it at rest, THE STORY ISN'T TRUE.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

where i live (oldham) the local council HAS BANNED (been in our local paper) people from wearing england tops at any of the pubs in the town centre because of violence (it aint happened yet how do they know?)

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

A local council is different to the police, maybe some towns will do this, but people won't pay attention, I can't see it lasting.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

*sigh*

Any chance of a link? I wasn't aware councils could act as judge, jury and executioner and impose their own rules.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Do you have a link for that?

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

I notice how you've snipped out are the bit that says exactly what the OP says?

That being:

This is the very advice that people in this thread were claiming hadn't been given, and wouldn't be given. Yet here it is proved that the advice that started this rumour WAS GIVEN.

So what I said earlier in the thread is true, it's not a ban, but it's "advice" with a clear undertone which implies pubs that don't impose restrictions will be dealt with more harshly if any trouble arises than those that do.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Conjecture.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Yes they gave advice just as they give out advice on countless other things all the time. It doesn't mean they take the landlord into a darkened room and menacing tell them if they don't ban the wearing of England tops they'll send the boys round and smash up the place.

It's advice, nothing more, nothing less. The Police cannot enforce a ban on the wearing of football tops. End of story.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

no link, as i said it was in the local paper

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http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/ne...orld-cup-dream

this is not solely about that this contradicts what the same paper (oldham chron) printed http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/ne...orld-cup-dream (it was printed before it cam to light about the 74 year old woman)

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Hmmmm, I smell bovine excrement.

The councils cannot just make up laws as they go along. If they imposed a ban there would be no way to enforce it.

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And from that very link.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

like i said the printed article contradicted this it WAS printed before the 74 year old woman and her flag....

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

This whole 'persecuted for being English' stuff has never washed with me.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

You so funny.....:D

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Even taxis (who aren't allowed to display flags ordinarily) are allowed to display flags

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...d-cup-stars.do

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Snipped so that I wasn't copying & pasting an entire article. I pasted the bits relevant to the thread: namely, that the wearing of England shirts in pubs during the World Cup has not been banned.

I do not believe anyone denied that there had been "advice" or "guidance" given... the issue was the false claim that the police had actually "banned" the wearing of England shirts in pubs during the World Cup.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

sadly geography has dictated you'll never know ;)

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Yep! You can breath again - move along - nothing to see here...

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Well I've been more or less living in Leicester for the last 9 months and I see England (not British) flags everywhere. In the last few weeks (in the run-up to the World Cup) there's been a massive growth in the number of St George's flags about the place. I don't see anyone being stopped supporting England.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Going slightly OT for a moment there is one paper I think would love this to be true.

I know the Sun has a reputation for fairness and equality :erm: so it's nice to see their Scottish and English editions being so similar.

(Apologies for those whose eyes burn when reading the Sun)

Compare the Scottish Headline.

With the English version.

Could it be that the Sun, where this story started, is trying to stir up trouble and printing lies, smears and half-truths to sell more papers.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Wasting your time Don, some cannot see what is clearly in front of them.
But if the police have now backed down, fearing a backlash, lets see what happens.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

North East Lincolnshire Council relaxed their ban some time ago.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

that's where i live
there proper shirt and trouser nazi's -if they put as much effort into real problems we'd all be a lot happier .

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

And some see things that just aren't there.

Backed down? They have given *advice*. That's all they can do. The police do not have the power to force pubs to impose a dress code.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Ahem....;)

If it wasn't true in the first place, how can they "back down"?

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

They have dangled a carrot, look at our proposals or we will have your licence looked at.
The police have not denied the existence of the letter that was circulated.
If people want to believe the opposite be my guest.
Every time I see a reply that warrants a reply from myself I will not be far away.
If people are getting fed up reading this all the time read something else ;)

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Your opinion Foreverwar, be my guest.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

It would appear to be the opinion of the Police as well....:D

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

You slid this quietly in to your ludicrous non-story, but it was never about "pandering" to minorities was it? I don't, off the top of my head, recall any member of any minority group objecting to the wearing of England shirts in any of the articles you eventually posted. Indeed the photo in the original Sun article even has a photo with one of those very "minorities" celebrating whilst wearing an England shirt.

Surely it was about the police "banning" England shirts in pubs to maintain public order in pubs and their surroundings.

PS to whoever on this thread coined the phrase mouthbreathing windowlickers. Cheers. You made me laugh.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

I am wondering how, yet again to explain to someone who seems hell bent on believing a thousand impossible things before Breakfast that this story simply isn't true but frankly I just cannot be bummed anymore.I've whispered it,I've shouted it but if I continue I'll be calling someone names again..even if I use the correct appellation...:rolleyes:

Re: Police to Not Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup
 

Further to this. Even assuming Police were to advise that publicans ban people from wearing England shirts, I think it more likely that they would do it in an effort to avoid fights (which *do* tend to happen with a certain breed of England shirt wearing footy fan). It certainly wouldn't have anything to do with offending minorities, a large group of whom (if they are actively following their religion) would not go anywhere near a pub anyway.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Is this really a ban or, again, just advice?

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Really?

Are you absolutely sure about that?

I mean, totally sure?

Because, and I don't know how to break this to you, the Greater Manchester Police seem to think that you're wrong. Also, Oldham Council cetainly doesn't seem to have an issue with people showing support for their country:

http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/ne...orld-cup-dream

I'd post a link to an article confirming that England shirts have been banned by Oldham Council, but I can't find one anywhere - any chance you could post something taht backs up your claim? A nice clear scan of the local rag's article would probably do the trick if you can't find it online.

Thanks.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

We are guessing it is. let's see what happens closer to the day :)

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

You mean when somebody in an England shirt gets kicked out of a pub for disorder etc and people report it as happening because they were wearing an England shirt?

I can't wait. Though i imagine they'll save the best stories for the Algeria match - a predominately Islamic opposition will spruce it up a bit more.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

No.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

OK, lets look at the article. Having read it, the only parts where it even mentions what the letter says are below:

Note the last part "Pubs are not obliged to follow the advice". They also state that they will use their powers in the even that you (the publican) don't actively support the prevention of crime.

All that last statement means is the publican is required to help the police in crime prevention. This is the law, and actually covers a whole load of illegal acts that may occur in a pub (assault, murder, drug use etc), and is nothing to do with what shirt people are wearing. Do you not think that if the letter had said shirt wearing was actually banned, the Sun would have published that bit? Note also that the Sun used the word "Guidance", which does not imply banning.

No, but they have denied they are banning people.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Your not saying that dear old uncle Rupert could have "different" opinions in he's crap-sheets, oopp's sorry comics, depending on what audience he is addressing??
Surely not, that would amount to pretty feeble journalistic integrity on Murdoch's part if it were true:rolleyes:

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

So who exactly is guessing?I'm not because I KNOW it is a load of complete and utter garbage being Chinese whispered around the web and pubs.

I don't have to wait until nearer the day..Nothing will change the fact that it is one big LIE purported to be the truth to sell more newspapers...


Not that I actually care myself as I don't even want to wear a football shirt..;)

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

they'll never win
they cant be in every pub
we know the
truth

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

TRUTH! You can't handle the truth!

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Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

its Monday morning i cant handle reality until lunch time :)

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Actually neither can I.. [img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

I love that people want to believe this is true regardless of the facts. Nice to get outraged at something and play the political correctness victim isn't it? Boo hoo I can't wear my England shirt? Better not actually test that theory though in case I go to the pub and no one cares that I am wearing a shirt eh?

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Best not to travel by bus then?
Link
and there were witnesses.
Another Link

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

This was the opinion of ONE BUS DRIVER. Before you all start moaning that the company will side with him, bear in mind that the company have said they will investigate (as they should), and have also said

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

But he's Polish, so that means all Polish people are bad doesn't it? I mean surely they must all have the same views, I'll bet the police will be banning buses next - just in case people wear England shirts on them. I learn everything I know about reality from Cable Forum :D


I wonder if you can get England Burkhas.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Big clue in the quote: "his mother claimed"

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Yes.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Standard journalistic language. They would use terms such as 'claimed' and 'alleged' even if there had been 100 cameras recording the events. If there had been 100 cameras recording the events, there would still be many people around here denying that it took place.

For each person(eg bus driver) that actually acts in that manner, how many actually want to do this sort of thing but don't.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

LOL someone posts a piece of news that is of the opposite. and they jump on the person as if he made it happen! :D

did the foreigner get the sack?

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

If there were a hundred cameras recording the event, don't you think the Daily Heil would have pointed that out. Newspapers, especially the one in question, use words like "could, may have, alleged, claimed, might, believed to be" etc. when they don't have any evidence to support their claims, or when they hyperbolise the truth. It is entirely possible that the bus driver was teasing the lad and the mother took offense to his accent.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Really?:rolleyes: There were witnesses to the contrary.
You will usually see in the media (TV, newspapers etc) the use of the words such as 'claimed' and 'alleged' when reporting news items.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Let's assume that this bus was a typical bus, with the driver shut away behind a perspex screen. It is unlikely that the rest of the crowded bus was really able to hear exactly what he was saying. What is more possibly likely to have happened, is that the mother shouted, "did you 'ear what 'e said? 'e said, that my darling little boy's Engerland shirt offends 'im. Can yer believe it? You all 'eard 'im, didn't yer, righ' ?"

But then, "...a torrent of anger from incredulous passengers...," probably means two old dears saying, "tsk" and raing theior eyeborws a little, "...minutes later backed down..." probably means two seconds later, he allowed her on the bus, to avoid an unnecessary scene which she was creating herself. I am not saying that the story is untrue, but going on this particular publication's history and its propensity to stretch the truth, it would irresponsible for anyone to ignore that there were other explanations.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

thats one hell of an imagination you have there,are you related to Agatha christie ??

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Ok. that's the way it happened everybody. the bus driver didn't find anything offensive. the woman just made the whole thing up along with the media. it just never happens in real life :)

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Oh get over yourself. There's nothing to suggest the mother is making this up. Chances are it happened the way she says it did but the bus company (quite rightly) stamped on it as it was the opinion of one man and not the whole company.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

I am amazed that none of you are prepared to accept that the Daily Heil would exaggerate a story. The mind just boggles at the sheep-ery.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Baa!

Your version was a bit far fetched though :D

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

None?

btw, my personal opinion is that using the words sheeple/sheep-ery says more about the user than the intended recipients.....

http://www.oesquema.com.br/trabalhos...cd-sheeple.png

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

You should be flying your St Georges flag from every hoose and car when your team's playing. That's some wind up, banning the English shirt in pub's

Hope you enjoy yourselves!:cool:

Can't wait for the games to start, some great players to see.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

That's exactly what it is - a wind up because it's not true.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

As soon as I get a hoose, I'll give it a go. :D

Is that a cross between a horse and a caribou? :D

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Quite.

They normally just make it up.

A few facts:

1) the ECHR and thus the Human Rights Act explicitly protect things like wearing England shirts under the first part of Article 10:

2) Note 'public authority' - private authorities, such as pub landlords, are perfectly within their rights to operate things like dress codes, as long as they don't expect the police to help enforce them (they can expect the police to help enforce public order, say if they try and throw someone off their property and he becomes violent).

3) Therefore it's quite possible to walk into a pub in an England shirt and be told to get out. This isn't the fault of the Muslims, it's the fault of the English habit of letting private individuals do what they want, within reason. Having once had to search London for a pub that would let a mate wearing a Doncaster Dragons rugby league shirt come in, I can attest to this.

4) Note that private individuals don't have complete freedom of action on their own property - you can't build a bomb or murder someone or use racist/threatening language to the customers - again this is in the ECHR, in the second part of Article 10:

So all you need to do to be in the clear is argue that wearing an England shirt doesn't have implications for national security, territorial integrity, public safety, crime/disorder prevention, health, morals, reputation, privacy and judicial independence. Which shouldn't be hard. Easier than defending reading the Daily Mail, which breaks several of those.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Ahhhhemmm...

No - really??

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

yea but no but they'll never stop us wearing England shirts in the pub

we know the truth

we know who they are

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...png?imgmax=800

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/05/95.jpg

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Let's look at it from another angle.

and we won't have any objections come licencing time if they don't.


Some are the Chief Inspectors biggest fan, but they'd still have to arrest him if he were drunk driving.

Or the backdown did.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

That is disgusting.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

yea we won this round
we know the
truth

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

i heard that they have thousands of cells ready for the start of the world cup ,shirt wearers will be detained without trial for six weeks .

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

And they will use the Black Helicopters to transport the shirt-wearers.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

No they won't :rolleyes:

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

its good old riot vans -with a large helping of truncheon and size ten boots .

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now come on lets stick to the truth

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

1,2,3,4 and your back in the room.:D

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Stuff like this just makes me want England to go out of the World Cup as soon as possible so we don't have to hear the idiots complaining about things that never happen.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Well the is every chance that after 3 matches they could be winging their way back home.:D

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Somebody said the same thing. but that the police were doing the hoping.

As we're pretty useless when it comes to things like the World Cup. I expect we'll be out very soon anyway.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Quite frankly I am surprised it is not on YouTube already :rolleyes:

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Did somebody film it then?

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

;)

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

i cant find it so its obviously been banned ,what other explanation can there be :shocked:

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

You're right - the cover-up is starting to spread......

First

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

I hate it when they do that. you miss some really good ones :(

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

the old river ploy ------------ denial
followed by an course we support statement :shocked:

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i know, ruddy secret service :mad:

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Did she speak? was she drunk? was she incomprehensible?

She should do an ID parade.

They're hardly the BBC are they. people who witnessed it probably didn't feel they had to get in touch with the company just incase.

it would be funny if after she reads this the Daily Mail and her prove otherwise :D

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Shhhh - it's Q & NSA......:(

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

they've probably been dissapeared , there a brutal lot in M25 :shocked:

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Why - is she related to you?
Was a crime committed?
Oh, come on, Gary - do you really think that someone wouldn't have wanted to make a bit of money from Mail by selling their story as back-up?
Funny? - bleeding miraculous, considering the Daily Mail's record for inaccuracy and rabble-rousing. :D

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

We'll make a start on that one. they have a driver that fits the description, but he has witnesses to say he wasn't anywhere in that area on that day.

can we have him say ""He won't be wearing that during the World Cup, will he?" :)

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Can we leave my family out of this?

If it did happen would it be a race crime?

How much money? I might do one about that barmaid who ripped my shirt off in my house.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

depends on how fast the bus was going ;)

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

So, besides being far fetched, it didn't actually happen. I'll think there is some egg on some faces. ;)

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Nah! It'll be put down to a cover up.;)

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

just tapped into a Russian spy satellite and your right the buss is covered up

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

But then they will cover up the cover up, and deny that the cover up of the cover up ever happened; then if anybody questions the cover up of the cover up, they will have to cover up what they do to those who questioned the cover up of the cover up, thus creating a moebius strip cover up, which will bend dimensions as it recurses upon itself.

btw, this is the bus on which the incident happened - but they have covered it up.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/05/93.jpg

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

that makes perfect sense ,i need medicine :nutter:

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Some choice information about the fine upstanding Ms Fardon:

Woman stole from her hosts

Woman, 18, in custody for string of offences

Don't worry I really don't expect any apologies will be forthcoming, just some desperate excuses.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

do you have anything from a more reputable source ie the daily mail or other reputable national . the swindon avertiser is hardly top class journalism ,i'll have to dismiss this until a piece of real journalism is available .