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budwieser 17-04-2010 21:56
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Originally Posted by Ed2020 (Post 35003444)
No, it isn't always a fact. Decent, normal people will do a lot of things to get money (or, to be more precise, to get the things that money buys) if they're desperate enough. I don't disagree it was a really stupid thing to do, but we don't know the circumstances that led up to this man feeling it necessary to do it.
Decent normal people do always do the right thing and work for what they want rather than steal what someone else has worked hard for.
Give me an example please of what Decent, normal people would do to get the things that money buys apart from working for it.! :erm:
If you`re that desperate to feed your family, you`ll possibly attempt to shoplift some food, not copper cable. Wake up and open your eyes.

Ed2020 17-04-2010 23:32
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Being desperate to feed your family is one example. In that example shoplifting food would seem to be the most likely solution. I can think of plenty of others in which shoplifting a bit of food isn't going to help at all. Perhaps somebody who is desperate to pay their rent or mortgage to avoid their family being made homeless. Or any other situation which leaves this "decent normal person" with the choice of stealing or seeing their families go without the basic necessities of life.

I think it's perfectly possible that this man desperately needed money for something and he felt he had no options but to steal. Copper is valuable, he could steal it without having to burgle somebody's home or shop (and so wouldn't have to live with the knowledge of having violated an individual's private space), and could do so at night to avoid any confrontations in which somebody got injured. I'm theorising, and I may be wrong. But assuming this man wasn't "decent and normal" (whatever that means) is also theorising and is also quite possibly wrong.

You started your last post with a very clear statement:

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Originally Posted by budwieser (Post 35003494)
Decent normal people do always do the right thing and work for what they want rather than steal what someone else has worked hard for.
And immediately followed it up with a very good counter-argument to your own opinion:

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Originally Posted by budwieser (Post 35003494)
If you`re that desperate to feed your family, you`ll possibly attempt to shoplift some food, not copper cable. Wake up and open your eyes.
I'd suggest it's you that needs to wake up and open your eyes.

Flyboy 17-04-2010 23:41
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Originally Posted by gazfan (Post 35003026)
No, there are some stupid people who try to steal copper from substations - no-one is 'celebrating', but the 'disturbed' people are the ones ignoring the danger of death signs, not anyone else, in my opinion.

Justice? - I'm not sure, but trying to steal copper from a substation is certainly stupid - death is usually inevitable.

- jumping off a skyscraper is another way of dying, 'justice' isn't involved in the process - however the loss of life is just as inevitable - there is no justification either way, the person is still dead - we may sympathise, but the result remains....
Have you not read the thread? There have been many doing just that.

Raistlin 17-04-2010 23:52
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Looks like Darwin was at least partly right . . .

danielf 17-04-2010 23:55
Re: Some shocking news
 
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Originally Posted by budwieser (Post 35003494)
Give me an example please of what Decent, normal people would do to get the things that money buys apart from working for it.! :erm:
Apparently, they download it from usenet/torrents.

gazfan 18-04-2010 00:18
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Originally Posted by speedfreak (Post 35003447)
exactly and Im sorry to waffle on and on but if for example I lost my job and I was desperately worried about being able to feed and clothe my son, rather than watch him struggle I may be pushed into doing stupid things/crime, I'd do anything for him. If one of those things led to my death I wouldnt say I deserved it and had it coming.

Right, now seriously, Im gone :D

If you blatantly ignored a warning notice that there was a danger of death involved in what you were doing then of course you would deserve the consequences - that is why the warning notice is there, you ignore it 'at your own risk'.

Your son would still need feeding & clothing after you became crispy & stopped breathing - If it was your choice to take the risk, then you would be to blame, you cannot abdicate stupidity because of 'need'.

Stuart 18-04-2010 00:21
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35002757)

Sorry Maggy, but gallows humour, like most humour is supposed to be funny. But this goes beyond such things and has descended into the glorification of and delight in, someone's rather gruesome death and the loss to a family. In fact, the delight was being re-inforced with the assumption that this poor unfortunate human being was not worth symapthy, because it was being assumed he was a traveller.
Humour is subjective. Some people find things funny that others find offensive. Gallows humour (by it's very nature) is often very dark. Hence the name.

I feel no sympathy for the criminal in question (he would have been aware of the risks, so it was definitely his fault), but I do feel sympathy for his family and friends. They are feeling grief for his actions, and are totally innocent. That's without the chance they may hear or read comments in forums such as this. I so feel sympathy for them.

Oh, and while there is no evidence he was a traveller, my own personal view is that that term itself is unfair. Why? Because there is a marked difference between Romany gypsies and pikies. Gypsies will work to make themselves totally self sufficient, and have as little impact on outsiders as possible. Pikies do the exact opposite. and often commit crimes against the local area. As such, it is unfair to lump them both under the term travellers.

peanut 26-04-2010 23:43
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Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 35003584)
Humour is subjective. Some people find things funny that others find offensive. Gallows humour (by it's very nature) is often very dark. Hence the name.

I feel no sympathy for the criminal in question (he would have been aware of the risks, so it was definitely his fault), but I do feel sympathy for his family and friends. They are feeling grief for his actions, and are totally innocent. That's without the chance they may hear or read comments in forums such as this. I so feel sympathy for them.
Well it seems the family ain't have it easy by any means. Grieving family sickened by theft of shrine to dad

martyh 26-04-2010 23:49
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Originally Posted by peanut (Post 35008703)
Well it seems the family ain't have it easy by any means. Grieving family sickened by theft of shrine to dad

i don't agree with people doing this ,this is just hurting the children of the dead man ,who are innocent

It does however show how thoughtless the deceased man was ,doing something like he did with two young children to care for

Derek 03-05-2010 17:38
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Sadly this lot have only learned to be a bit more careful when doing their thieving.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...wer-surge.html

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Firefighters were called out to 71 homes today after the theft of cables from an electricity substation caused a massive power surge.

Panicked residents dialled 999 after their houses began to fill with smoke and household appliances caught fire. In some cases, people heard the sound of a small explosion as fuse boxes blew out.

martyh 03-05-2010 17:45
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so lets hear the hand wringers defend this .Would they be so defensive of these low lifes if a baby had died when the cot caught fire ,who's going to pay for all the damage

Flyboy 03-05-2010 18:34
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35013160)
so lets hear the hand wringers defend this .Would they be so defensive of these low lifes if a baby had died when the cot caught fire ,who's going to pay for all the damage
Why on Earth would anyone defend what they did?

Maggy 03-05-2010 18:36
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Originally Posted by gazfan (Post 35003581)
If you blatantly ignored a warning notice that there was a danger of death involved in what you were doing then of course you would deserve the consequences - that is why the warning notice is there, you ignore it 'at your own risk'.

Your son would still need feeding & clothing after you became crispy & stopped breathing - If it was your choice to take the risk, then you would be to blame, you cannot abdicate stupidity because of 'need'.
Excellent point!

martyh 03-05-2010 18:45
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35013191)
Why on Earth would anyone defend what they did?
seem to remember you slated everyone who was glad the other miscreant earlier in the thread died instead of causing an incident as bad as this one

Sirius 03-05-2010 18:47
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35013191)
Why on Earth would anyone defend what they did?
Some one will defend them for stealing copper

Flyboy 03-05-2010 18:52
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35013209)
seem to remember you slated everyone who was glad the other miscreant earlier in the thread died instead of causing an incident as bad as this one
And I stand by that. No one should ever revel in the death of another human being.

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35013211)
Some one will defend them for stealing copper
Such as...?

martyh 03-05-2010 18:56
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35013216)
And I stand by that. No one should ever revel in the death of another human being.

no-one "reveled"in his death we were just glad he died instead of some innocent watching their tv when it blew up caused by the power surge he caused

Flyboy 03-05-2010 18:57
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Have you not read this thread, several posters "reveled" in his death.

martyh 03-05-2010 19:10
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35013226)
Have you not read this thread, several posters "reveled" in his death.
if thats the word you want you use then fair enough :rolleyes: but yes several posters (me included)had no sympathy for him and were glad he died instead of causing the death of someone else which has very nearly happened in this case

speedfreak 03-05-2010 19:22
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Its not made me change my view, which was that making jokes about someone being killed in this way wasnt right and Im certainly no "hand-wringer". Well I dont thing I am, I dont even know what one is :D

Flyboy 03-05-2010 19:28
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35013244)
if thats the word you want you use then fair enough :rolleyes: but yes several posters (me included)had no sympathy for him and were glad he died instead of causing the death of someone else which has very nearly happened in this case
The two premises are completely separate contexts. One can have sympathy with the victim, because he did not cause anyone else any harm, but you seem to be glad because he might have, which makes no sense at all.

martyh 03-05-2010 19:43
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35013284)
The two premises are completely separate contexts. One can have sympathy with the victim, because he did not cause anyone else any harm, but you seem to be glad because he might have, which makes no sense at all.
not at all FB i am glad he died instead of someone else makes perfect sense to normal right minded people
Now if you read the link provided by Derek you will note that there were 71 callouts for the fire brigade as people reported homes filling with smoke ,even a baby monitor catching fire and setting fire to a cot ,the thieves have not as yet been caught yet they have caused 10s of thousands of pounds of damage for a £20 component ,now if one of the thieves had died and say one resident had died what would your reaction be ,i wouldn't expect you to be laughing and joking but i wouldn't expect you to have sympathy in any shape or form

In short idiots like these deserve everything that happens to them ,and deserve no sympathy at all

peanut 03-05-2010 19:59
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35013216)
And I stand by that. No one should ever revel in the death of another human being.
Can you explain why no one should 'revel' or call it 'justification' etc, why do you care so much to feel this way? Why do you care if some idiot/criminal or whatever dies because of their own actions, why does it bother you so much?

Peter_ 03-05-2010 20:28
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Once again we have morons dicing with death and almost causing a major incident involving 71 houses full of innocent people, the difference is that this time the *******s got away without injury but the victims could have been killed.:mad:

Something very similar could have happened when the original moron who is the main subject of this thread cut a 30,000 volt cable and was duly electrocuted and should have been put up for a Darwin Award for his sheer stupidity.

Idiots like this do not deserve our pity and if in the act of theft they manage to injure or kill themselves then so be it.

Flyboy 03-05-2010 21:26
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35013299)
not at all FB i am glad he died instead of someone else makes perfect sense to normal right minded people
Now if you read the link provided by Derek you will note that there were 71 callouts for the fire brigade as people reported homes filling with smoke ,even a baby monitor catching fire and setting fire to a cot ,the thieves have not as yet been caught yet they have caused 10s of thousands of pounds of damage for a £20 component ,now if one of the thieves had died and say one resident had died what would your reaction be ,i wouldn't expect you to be laughing and joking but i wouldn't expect you to have sympathy in any shape or form

In short idiots like these deserve everything that happens to them ,and deserve no sympathy at all
First of all the two incidents are totally unconnected. Secondly, the subject of this thread did not die in place of anyone else. "Normal, right minded" people do not celebrate the tragic death of anyone. I can't see how you could ever consider that any "normal, right minded person" could ever feel such things. Your evaluation of what is "right minded and normal," is very disturbing.

I have sympathy for all deaths, it is call human compassion, something which is seriously lacking on these boards at times.

Derek 03-05-2010 21:27
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35013462)
"Normal, right minded" people do not celebrate the tragic death of anyone.
Celebrate no. Extract the urine and have a good laugh about someone elses extreme stupidity yes.

Flyboy 03-05-2010 21:28
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Originally Posted by peanut (Post 35013324)
Can you explain why no one should 'revel' or call it 'justification' etc, why do you care so much to feel this way? Why do you care if some idiot/criminal or whatever dies because of their own actions, why does it bother you so much?
As I said, it is called human compassion; try having some.

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Originally Posted by Derek S (Post 35013466)
Celebrate no. Extract the urine and have a good laugh about someone elses extreme stupidity yes.
No, that is neither normal, nor is it right minded.

Derek 03-05-2010 21:30
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35013467)
No, that is neither normal, nor is it right minded.
Fair enough. I'll keep that in mind the next time someone tells me a joke thats a bit off-colour. I'll tell them that they aren't normal and they should be ashamed of themselves.

Then I'll get on a plane, fly to the US and assasinate the people behind the darwin awards seeing they are obviously sick in the head as well. :rolleyes:

Peter_ 03-05-2010 21:33
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35013467)
As I said, it is called human compassion; try having some.

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No, that is neither normal, nor is it right minded.
He could have killed or injured innocent people so I feel no compassion for someone with such crass stupidity who could believe for one second that it was a safe place to steal copper cabling from.

I would feel more compassion for the 71 households that the other 2 *******s could have killed or injured.

martyh 03-05-2010 21:41
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35013462)
First of all the two incidents are totally connected. Secondly, the subject of this thread did not die in place of anyone else. "Normal, right minded" people do not celebrate the tragic death of anyone. I can't see how you could ever consider that any "normal, right minded person" could ever feel such things. Your evaluation of what is "right minded and normal," is very disturbing.

I have sympathy for all deaths, it is call human compassion, something which is seriously lacking on these boards at times.

firstly the incidents are only connected in that idiots tried to steal copper from a substation

secondly i did not say that someone had died in the second incident merely asked how you would feel toward the thief if someone innocent had died (note you did not answer)

thirdly the death of the thief in the original theft was not tragic it was bought about by his own stupidity ,greed and selfishness

speedfreak 03-05-2010 21:49
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I thought we had sort of agreed to disagree several pages back? Or was everyone just taking a break? :)

Ramrod 03-05-2010 21:51
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35013216)
And I stand by that. No one should ever revel in the death of another human being.
Not sure about that, what about Hitler, Stalin or Pol Pot? Bin Laden?

Ignitionnet 03-05-2010 21:57
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35013467)
As I said, it is called human compassion; try having some.

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No, that is neither normal, nor is it right minded.
Preach on, Reverend, preach on.

Flyboy 03-05-2010 22:09
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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35013503)
Not sure about that, what about Hitler, Stalin or Pol Pot? Bin Laden?
I don't understand the comparison. Has this person committed genocide? That said, why should I still delight in the deaths of these people? They are human beings after all.

Lord Nikon 03-05-2010 22:21
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35013486)
firstly the incidents are only connected in that idiots tried to steal copper from a substation

secondly i did not say that someone had died in the second incident merely asked how you would feel toward the thief if someone innocent had died (note you did not answer)

thirdly the death of the thief in the original theft was not tragic it was bought about by his own stupidity ,greed and selfishness
Just as a matter of interest, how much connectivity would you want between incidents? It could hardly be the same individual, he got flame grilled at the first substation.

martyh 03-05-2010 22:24
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Originally Posted by Lord Nikon (Post 35013527)
Just as a matter of interest, how much connectivity would you want between incidents? It could hardly be the same individual, he got flame grilled at the first substation.

i know that i was merely clarifying the point for Flyboy who's post seemed to suggest that there was more of a connection

Flyboy 03-05-2010 22:32
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35013532)
i know that i was merely clarifying the point for Flyboy who's post seemed to suggest that there was more of a connection
Oops, a bit of a typo there, should have read "UNconnected." But now duly corrected at source. :erm:

alferret 03-05-2010 22:43
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35013467)
little snip!


No, that is neither normal, nor is it right minded.
Normal to whom you or the person next to you. Just because you think it isnt normal doesnt mean that your right or wrong for that fact, its just your aproach to normality.
So because someone doesnt agree with your idea of normal doesnt make them wrong. Thats why we are individuals who have individual ideals and morals.
Shall we all bow before thee and follow thy principle or shall we all be individuals who can make our own minds up without fear or retribution from the all knowing.

papa smurf 03-05-2010 22:47
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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35013503)
Not sure about that, what about Hitler, Stalin or Pol Pot? Bin Laden?
may they rest in peace :)

Peter_ 03-05-2010 23:09
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Originally Posted by Lord Nikon (Post 35013527)
Just as a matter of interest, how much connectivity would you want between incidents? It could hardly be the same individual, he got flame grilled at the first substation.
I thought only Burgerking did flame grilled.;)

Mr Angry 04-05-2010 02:16
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How come none of you posters championing death as being entirely "deserved" in circumstances where it comes about as a result of someones own actions in circumstances where an individual should "know better" appear to be posting in the Solent sea cadet thread?

Should that kid have been given a Darwin award? I don't think so.

Perhaps you do understand "human compassion" when it suits, but don't want to appear "soft"?

Lord Nikon 04-05-2010 03:39
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Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35013627)
How come none of you posters championing death as being entirely "deserved" in circumstances where it comes about as a result of someones own actions in circumstances where an individual should "know better" appear to be posting in the Solent sea cadet thread?
Because that was an individual who had received some training, had a reason to be there performing that task, and did not through his own stupidity (ie forcibly gaining entry past multiple signs saying 'danger of death' accompanied by suitable pictures for the hard of thinking or non-english speaker) achieve the removal from the gene pool of himself.

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Should that kid have been given a Darwin award? I don't think so.
Nope, the Darwin awards are reserved for those who spectacularly remove themselves from the gene pool through an act of unmitigated stupidity prior to procreation, hence the original crispy critter would only rate an 'honorable mention'

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Perhaps you do understand "human compassion" when it suits, but don't want to appear "soft"?
Nope, the Sea Cadet was an accident, he didn't (as I stated above) break into a building surrounded by a razor topped fence with each step of his entry and progress presenting him with 'danger of death' signs in order to commit theft from a piece of equipment carrying 33KV. The sea cadet on the other hand lost his grip, fell overboard and drowned while performing a normal task on a sailing yacht.

You note the difference?

Sea Cadet = Accident, no darwin
Mr Crispy = Stupid, ignored multiple warnings, thought he knew better, Fried - Honorable mention.

the_neurotic_cat 04-05-2010 04:24
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Lets hope the guy's friends reconsider their life of crime.

Mr Angry 04-05-2010 07:43
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Originally Posted by Lord Nikon (Post 35013633)
Because that was an individual who had received some training, had a reason to be there performing that task, and did not through his own stupidity (ie forcibly gaining entry past multiple signs saying 'danger of death' accompanied by suitable pictures for the hard of thinking or non-english speaker) achieve the removal from the gene pool of himself.



Nope, the Darwin awards are reserved for those who spectacularly remove themselves from the gene pool through an act of unmitigated stupidity prior to procreation, hence the original crispy critter would only rate an 'honorable mention'



Nope, the Sea Cadet was an accident, he didn't (as I stated above) break into a building surrounded by a razor topped fence with each step of his entry and progress presenting him with 'danger of death' signs in order to commit theft from a piece of equipment carrying 33KV. The sea cadet on the other hand lost his grip, fell overboard and drowned while performing a normal task on a sailing yacht.

You note the difference?

Sea Cadet = Accident, no darwin
Mr Crispy = Stupid, ignored multiple warnings, thought he knew better, Fried - Honorable mention.
Way to totally miss a point Nikon.

1: The cadet had training - all the more reason for him not to have made a mistake and

2: "the Sea Cadet was an accident" - I doubt either individual set out that day to kill themselves intentionally through "stupidity", but there you go.

3: The Darwin question was rhetorical - hence my "I don't think so".

That aside it is, by it's own definition, an award "Honoring those who improve the species...by accidentally removing themselves from it!

You note the difference?

Yes, that's right - it makes no reference to "stupidity".

Lord Nikon 04-05-2010 09:05
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Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35013643)
Way to totally miss a point Nikon.

1: The cadet had training - all the more reason for him not to have made a mistake and

2: "the Sea Cadet was an accident" - I doubt either individual set out that day to kill themselves intentionally through "stupidity", but there you go.

3: The Darwin question was rhetorical - hence my "I don't think so".

That aside it is, by it's own definition, an award "Honoring those who improve the species...by accidentally removing themselves from it!

You note the difference?

Yes, that's right - it makes no reference to "stupidity".
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Rules

So how are the Darwin Awards actually determined?

Nominees significantly improve the gene pool by eliminating themselves from the human race in an obviously stupid way. They are self-selected examples of the dangers inherent in a lack of common sense, and all human races, cultures, and socioeconomic groups are eligible to compete.
http://www.darwinawards.com/rules/

Speaking from my own point of view here, I'd say it's pretty clear on the matter really.

Mr Angry 04-05-2010 13:48
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Originally Posted by Lord Nikon (Post 35013660)
http://www.darwinawards.com/rules/

Speaking from my own point of view here, I'd say it's pretty clear on the matter really.
I must confess that The Darwin Awards are not something I'm overly familiar with - certainly not to the degree that I'd bother looking up their "rules".

Thanks for the insight.

martyh 04-05-2010 17:56
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Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35013643)
Way to totally miss a point Nikon.

1: The cadet had training - all the more reason for him not to have made a mistake and

2: "the Sea Cadet was an accident" - I doubt either individual set out that day to kill themselves intentionally through "stupidity", but there you go.

3: The Darwin question was rhetorical - hence my "I don't think so".

That aside it is, by it's own definition, an award "Honoring those whoyspy improve the species...by accidentally removing themselves from it!

You note the difference?

Yes, that's right - it makes no reference to "stupidity".
are you taking over GaryL's job of posting rubbish while he's on suspension ?

in the case of the sea cadet of course there will much sympathy it wasn't his fault ,he died doing what was required of him

in the case of mr crispy it was all his own doing he thought he new better than physics in this case my sympathy goes to his children for having a father who didn't care enough about them to ensure his own welbeing so he care for them

Mr Angry 04-05-2010 18:33
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35013922)
are you taking over GaryL's job of posting rubbish while he's on suspension ?
Perhaps the context is a bit too intricate for you to comprehend Marty but no, I wouldn't want to knock your crown.

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35013922)
in the case of the sea cadet of course there will much sympathy it wasn't his fault ,he died doing what was required of him
Currently it would appear that he died not as a result of doing what was required of him but rather as a result of doing what was required of him whist not employing sufficient safety requirements (common sense or otherwise) given the nature of the activity he was involved in.

On the matter of "doing what was required of him" perhaps the guy at the powerstation was attempting to provide for his children by stealing the copper? Who knows? Either way your crass indignance speaks volumes.

In any event I'm not seeking to belittle either death for comedic laughs nor, as you are given to, making derisory comments at the expense of someone elses dignity - or indeed the dignity of their families - simply because they lost their lives due to an oversight or lack of judgement on their part.

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35013922)
in the case of mr crispy it was all his own doing he thought he new better than physics in this case my sympathy goes to his children for having a father who didn't care enough about them to ensure his own welbeing so he care for them
Referring to their father as "mr crispy" and making derisory comments about him not caring enough is a funny way of showing sympathy to his children. I'm sure, like the loss of their father, your "sympathy" is something they could well do without having to bear.

speedfreak 04-05-2010 18:33
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35013922)

in the case of mr crispy it was all his own doing he thought he new better than physics in this case my sympathy goes to his children for having a father who didn't care enough about them to ensure his own welbeing so he care for them
Lets hope they dont view this thread at some point and see their father was refered to as "mr crispy" :(

peanut 04-05-2010 19:27
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Originally Posted by speedfreak (Post 35013955)
Lets hope they dont view this thread at some point and see their father was refered to as "mr crispy" :(
I laughed when I read it, as I took it in context, it was funny. What I think about what the family must be going through isn't for me consider in some respect, I really can't muster the emotion or compassion to say I feel anything for the family. If that's wrong for some then so be it, we're different, agree to disagree.

I do have a sick sense of humour and there's nothing wrong with that, from what I've seen here I can see some clearly are lacking in humour. ( I know I've let myself wide open as I can see posts saying death/humour/sick/wrong etc etc).

As for the little boy, I don't think one person here sees that tragedy as comical in any way shape for form, how anyone can see any relevance of the two I don't know.

broadbandking 04-05-2010 20:33
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Whilst I don't care that he died, I do feel sorry for his family.

peanut 04-05-2010 20:35
Re: Some shocking news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by broadbandking (Post 35014021)
Whilst I don't care that he died, I do feel sorry for his family.
What if the family knew what he was up to and the risks involved?

Peter_ 04-05-2010 21:00
Re: Some shocking news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by peanut (Post 35014023)
What if the family knew what he was up to and the risks involved?
Then that would make them culpable in his death, but I hope that they were not as stupid as he was.

budwieser 04-05-2010 21:46
Re: Some shocking news
 
Just a quote?:erm:

martyh 04-05-2010 21:53
Re: Some shocking news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35013951)
Perhaps the context is a bit too intricate for you to comprehend Marty but no, I wouldn't want to knock your crown.



Currently it would appear that he died not as a result of doing what was required of him but rather as a result of doing what was required of him whist not employing sufficient safety requirements (common sense or otherwise) given the nature of the activity he was involved in.

On the matter of "doing what was required of him" perhaps the guy at the powerstation was attempting to provide for his children by stealing the copper? Who knows? Either way your crass indignance speaks volumes.

In any event I'm not seeking to belittle either death for comedic laughs nor, as you are given to, making derisory comments at the expense of someone elses dignity - or indeed the dignity of their families - simply because they lost their lives due to an oversight or lack of judgement on their part.



Referring to their father as "mr crispy" and making derisory comments about him not caring enough is a funny way of showing sympathy to his children. I'm sure, like the loss of their father, your "sympathy" is something they could well do without having to bear.

you need to wind your neck in and stop being so pompous

mr crispy died through his own stupidity end of ,lets hope his children haven't inherited his idiocy ,or we will posting about them in a few years time ,and using stupidity to provide for your family whilst endangering other peoples lives may be something you can justify but i don't

and whose dignity am i "seeking comedic laughs "at, the freekin idiot had no dignity or he would have got a proper job and provided for his family in a sensible fashion ,it's a shame the the other thief/thieves in the second case didn't fry themselves ,they are probably sitting at home planning the next one ,not caring who they could injure or kill for a few quid
so go ahead have all the sympathy you want for these numbskulls ,maybe ,since you're so much smarter than everyone else perhaps you could show them how to do it without frying themselves

Mr Angry 05-05-2010 00:08
Re: Some shocking news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35014087)
you need to wind your neck in and stop being so pompous
I see you have a real difficulty with logical debate once your "hang 'em all" attitude is challenged, don't you?

Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35014087)
mr crispy died through his own stupidity end of ,lets hope his children haven't inherited his idiocy ,or we will posting about them in a few years time ,and using stupidity to provide for your family whilst endangering other peoples lives may be something you can justify but i don't


I didn't justify his actions nor did I try to justify them - that is something your overly furtive teenage imagination has dreamed up. I posited a scenario where perhaps the possibility that Mr Ehlert was actively, in his own estimation, trying to provide for his children by stealing the copper should be considered. That's why I included the question mark thingys (?), see?

Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35014087)
and whose dignity am i "seeking comedic laughs "at,
That'll be Mr Ehlert - whom you have referred to variously as "mr (sic) crispy (sic)", A "freakin' idiot" and a "numpty". Additionally in doing so you have celebrated his death, and exposed your absolute disdain for those unfortunate enough not to have a job by way of your spectacularly inept, yet insightful, assertion “and i will take delight in his death ,the freakin' idiot has served some purpose in cutting the unemployment figures and not being a burden on the state anymore ..good riddance to the numpty”.

Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35014087)
the freekin idiot had no dignity or he would have got a proper job and provided for his family in a sensible fashion ,
I can see you are going flat out to endear the unemployed members of the forum to your warm, glowing personality. That's a nice line in sweeping generalizations you've got going on there. Perhaps you'd like to introduce gas chambers for the disabled while you're jumping to conclusions as to peoples dignity?

Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35014087)
it's a shame the the other thief/thieves in the second case didn't fry themselves ,they are probably sitting at home planning the next one ,not caring who they could injure or kill for a few quid

Ah, the old "it's a shame....". Yes Marty it is, it's a shame you have nothing better to do than while your days away on a discussion forum wishing ill will on people you neither know nor care about just because of your preconceived prejudices as far as the unemployed are concerned.

Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35014087)
so go ahead have all the sympathy you want for these numbskulls


Again, nowhere have I expressed sympathy.

Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35014087)
,maybe ,since you're so much smarter than everyone else perhaps you could show them how to do it without frying themselves


You really should do something about that chip you have on your shoulder mate. Playground jibes like that bring nothing to the debate.

I had hoped to have a mature discussion on your ethical position on this but it's obvious you're not up to it.

Peter_ 05-05-2010 00:31
Re: Some shocking news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35013951)
On the matter of "doing what was required of him" perhaps the guy at the powerstation was attempting to provide for his children by stealing the copper? Who knows? Either way your crass indignance speaks volumes.
He died because he was a moron trying to steal copper cabling from a live 30,000 volt electricity sub station which would have been plastered with plenty of "Danger of Death" signs in the immediate vicinity.

He caused his own death by virtue of his own greed and lack of common sense and I would feel no pity for any other person who died in a similar way way while attempting to steal.

The argument of he was only trying to provide for his family falls flat as he should have got himself a job instead of stealing from others, and if he had done that then this thread would not exist and he would be alive.

Quote:
I quoted the wrong section, going to bed as obviously to tired.:dunce:

Mr Angry 05-05-2010 00:33
Re: Some shocking news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35014236)
He died because he was a moron trying to steal copper cabling from a live 30,000 volt electricity sub station which would have been plastered with plenty of "Danger of Death" signs in the immediate vicinity.

He caused his own death by virtue of his own greed and lack of common sense and I would feel no pity for any other person who died in a similar way way while attempting to steal.

The argument of he was only trying to provide for his family falls flat as he should have got himself a job instead of stealing from others, and if he had done that then this thread would not exist and he would be alive.
I don't think the sea cadet was involved in copper theft, either planned or (as you appear to have done) imagined.

Mr Angry 05-05-2010 00:42
Re: Some shocking news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35014242)
I have not posted in the Sea Cadet thread and that was an accident where he died in less than 4 minutes doing what he loved, so no reason for him to be mentioned here in this thread, so check first before making a comment as I think it is a shameful and low comment to make about that cadet by anyone.

The post above was a general post with part of your post used as a sounding board.
Yes, and the part of my post which you quoted was specific to the sea cadet - hence my assuming that was who you were referring to.

Peter_ 05-05-2010 00:50
Re: Some shocking news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35014244)
Yes, and the part of my post which you quoted was specific to the sea cadet - hence my assuming that was who you were referring to.
I quoted wrong bit I think you can see they were unconnected so now corrected must be tired so off to bed.;)

Mr Angry 05-05-2010 00:52
Re: Some shocking news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35014250)
I quoted wrong bit I think you can see they were unconnected so now corrected must be tired so off to bed.;)
Cheers man, no problem.

Me too - early start in the am!!

speedfreak 05-05-2010 01:06
Re: Some shocking news
 
I blame Gordon Brown :D

Lighten up, no point falling out over a difference of opinion

Peter_ 05-05-2010 07:55
Re: Some shocking news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by speedfreak (Post 35014265)
I blame Gordon Brown :D

Lighten up, no point falling out over a difference of opinion
It was a misquote which is now sorted.;)

martyh 05-05-2010 09:34
Re: Some shocking news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35014220)

I see you have a real difficulty with logical debate once your "hang 'em all" attitude is challenged, don't you?



I didn't justify his actions nor did I try to justify them - that is something your overly furtive teenage imagination has dreamed up. I posited a scenario where perhaps the possibility that Mr Ehlert was actively, in his own estimation, trying to provide for his children by stealing the copper should be considered. That's why I included the question mark thingys (?), see?





That'll be Mr Ehlert - whom you have referred to variously as "mr (sic) crispy (sic)", A "freakin' idiot" and a "numpty". Additionally in doing so you have celebrated his death, and exposed your absolute disdain for those unfortunate enough not to have a job by way of your spectacularly inept, yet insightful, assertion “and i will take delight in his death ,the freakin' idiot has served some purpose in cutting the unemployment figures and not being a burden on the state anymore ..good riddance to the numpty”.



I can see you are going flat out to endear the unemployed members of the forum to your warm, glowing personality. That's a nice line in sweeping generalizations you've got going on there. Perhaps you'd like to introduce gas chambers for the disabled while you're jumping to conclusions as to peoples dignity?



Ah, the old "it's a shame....". Yes Marty it is, it's a shame you have nothing better to do than while your days away on a discussion forum wishing ill will on people you neither know nor care about just because of your preconceived prejudices as far as the unemployed are concerned.



Again, nowhere have I expressed sympathy.



You really should do something about that chip you have on your shoulder mate. Playground jibes like that bring nothing to the debate.

I had hoped to have a mature discussion on your ethical position on this but it's obvious you're not up to it.
wow you really don't like being disagreed with do you ,well tough i do disagree with you ,i have no respect at all for people who place their lives and others in jeopardy through their own greed and stupidity they don't deserve respect from anyone

i wonder if you would have the same forgiving attitude if it was your house filled with smoke ,or your babies cot that had caught fire or would you say "it's ok he was trying to provide for his family ,i know it's wrong but at least he was trying "

and for your future information i have been around wasters like these all my life i grew up around them and still live amongst them the difference is i don't behave like them ,people like them just don't care about anything apart themselves , they would steal of their own mother and sell it back

society is a better place for his removal from it

broadbandking 05-05-2010 09:35
Re: Some shocking news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by speedfreak (Post 35014265)
I blame Gordon Brown :D

Lighten up, no point falling out over a difference of opinion
Its always Brown dam him *waves fist* lol

Ramrod 05-05-2010 11:28
Re: Some shocking news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35013518)
I don't understand the comparison. Has this person committed genocide? That said, why should I still delight in the deaths of these people? They are human beings after all.
I'm not comparing them to him, I'm exploring your statement that we shouldn't be happy about the death of another human being. My point is that it depends on the human being who has died.....

Flyboy 05-05-2010 13:11
Re: Some shocking news
 
Err, no it doesn't, all life is sacred, that is what it means to have compassion.

Earl of Bronze 05-05-2010 14:19
Re: Some shocking news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35014471)
Err, no it doesn't, all life is sacred, that is what it means to have compassion.
All life is not sacred if that was the case we'd be eating carrots, and being over-run with vermin.... Not all humans are deserving of the same level of compassion or empathy. A thieving ******* comes way down my list of "people to be concerned about", while those people who lead more or less law abiding lives come closer to the top. And I'd suggest that most people with more than 17 brain cells think the same....

Even in a socialist eutopia (which I think you believe we should all live), not everyone, or everything is awarded the same respect. If you haven't figured that little truth out by now Flyboy, then you are doomed to a life of bitter disapointment....

Peter_ 05-05-2010 16:06
Re: Some shocking news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35014471)
Err, no it doesn't, all life is sacred, that is what it means to have compassion.
No one made this guy climb into the electricity substation with a pair of cable cutters, nor did they force him to cut the live 30,0000 volt cable which then fried him, only his own sheer stupidity is to blame here.

If he wanted to provide for his family then he should have done as I and many others have done, went out and got himself a job, but no he choose the route of stealing other peoples property and because he was so stupid he managed to kill himself.

I therefore feel absolutely no compassion for a ******* who chose to steal as the easy way to get some money, at least he never caused another persons death with his stupidity.

Any thief who manages to kill themselves in the act theft do not deserve any form of sympathy or compassion from the general public as the vast majority will say that it served them right, because if they were not stealing it would never have happened in the first place.

Flyboy 05-05-2010 18:36
Re: Some shocking news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35014559)
No one made this guy climb into the electricity substation with a pair of cable cutters, nor did they force him to cut the live 30,0000 volt cable which then fried him, only his own sheer stupidity is to blame here.

If he wanted to provide for his family then he should have done as I and many others have done, went out and got himself a job, but no he choose the route of stealing other peoples property and because he was so stupid he managed to kill himself.

I therefore feel absolutely no compassion for a ******* who chose to steal as the easy way to get some money, at least he never caused another persons death with his stupidity.

Any thief who manages to kill themselves in the act theft do not deserve any form of sympathy or compassion from the general public as the vast majority will say that it served them right, because if they were not stealing it would never have happened in the first place.
You see, that's the thing about compassion, it's not something that one can pick and choose as to who, or what, you apply it to. You don't get that option, you either have it or you don't.

Sirius 05-05-2010 18:43
Re: Some shocking news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze (Post 35014507)
All life is not sacred if that was the case we'd be eating carrots, and being over-run with vermin.... Not all humans are deserving of the same level of compassion or empathy. A thieving ******* comes way down my list of "people to be concerned about", while those people who lead more or less law abiding lives come closer to the top. And I'd suggest that most people with more than 17 brain cells think the same....

Even in a socialist eutopia (which I think you believe we should all live), not everyone, or everything is awarded the same respect. If you haven't figured that little truth out by now Flyboy, then you are doomed to a life of bitter disapointment....
:clap:

peanut 05-05-2010 18:47
Re: Some shocking news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35014649)
You see, that's the thing about compassion, it's not something that one can pick and choose as to who, or what, you apply it to. You don't get that option, you either have it or you don't.
Right...... I don't have compassion for Hitler, 'Mr Toastie' etc etc so does that mean I'm incapable of compassion for people I do actually care about? Is that what you're saying?

Flyboy 05-05-2010 18:48
Re: Some shocking news
 
Sounds about right. You cannot just switch it on or off when it becomes inconvenient.

Peter_ 05-05-2010 18:48
Re: Some shocking news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35014649)
You see, that's the thing about compassion, it's not something that one can pick and choose as to who, or what, you apply it to. You don't get that option, you either have it or you don't.
If put up a poll on this very thread subject, I would not be in the least bit surprised to find that the majority of people voting would feel little or no sympathy and compassion for this thieving moron as he brought it on himself by attempting to steal other peoples property.

Very few people will ever feel compassion for a thieving ******* and most will feel that he deserved his fate.

Compassion must be earned and a thief can never earn it.

Sirius 05-05-2010 18:49
Re: Some shocking news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35014471)
Err, no it doesn't, all life is sacred, that is what it means to have compassion.
So being ex forces as i am can i ask a question of you.

Lets say i was in a postion where i was being shot at by a bloody big tank :erm:

what should i have done.

A. Said no i will not shoot at him his life is sacred and let him kill me instead

B. Pink mist him


Answers on a post card please or on this forum :D

dilli-theclaw 05-05-2010 18:51
Re: Some shocking news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35014664)
So being ex forces as i am can i ask a question of you.

Lets say i was in a postion where i was being shot at by a bloody big tank :erm:

what should i have done.

A. Said no i will not shoot at him his life is sacred and let him kill me instead

B. Pink mist him


Answers on a post card please :D
It'd be too late if you waited for a post card back :) ;)

Mr Angry 05-05-2010 18:53
Re: Some shocking news
 
Hi Marty, thanks for coming back - much appreciated.

Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35014346)
wow you really don't like being disagreed with do you ,well tough i do disagree with you ,
I actually like people disagreeing with me as it stimulates debate and, occasionally, encourages people to think outside of the box. What I do take issue with though is being misrepresented or misinterpreted (whether intentionally or not) which is what you had done in your previous post and which was what necessitated my reply.

Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35014346)
i have no respect at all for people who place their lives and others in jeopardy through their own greed and stupidity they don't deserve respect from anyone
This is a very, very narrow viewpoint and covers too many professions to even merit a full discussion. You are simply using what you believe to be buzz words such as "greed" and "stupidity" in an attempt to validate your prejudices. It does not work.

Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35014346)
i wonder if you would have the same forgiving attitude if it was your house filled with smoke ,or your babies cot that had caught fire or would you say "it's ok he was trying to provide for his family ,i know it's wrong but at least he was trying "
I've been very clear about this Marty - I have not been forgiving nor sympathetic in any way. These are emotions / sentiments which you repeatedly imagine I have expressed when, quite simply, I haven't. As such your hypothetical question and supposition as to what my answer might be are irrelevant.

Leaving aside the buzz words - if someone you held dear was killed doing something, whether illegal or not, how would you feel if a complete stranger was ridiculing their death and spouting vitriol on a public forum? You see my difficulty here is why, and for what reason, you continue to chant your mantra and express your delight at someones demise / death. It takes a particular mindset to do that in the manner in which you have done.

Rather predictably you lay yourself bare with your next paragraph.

Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35014346)
and for your future information i have been around wasters like these all my life i grew up around them and still live amongst them the difference is i don't behave like them ,people like them just don't care about anything apart themselves , they would steal of their own mother and sell it back

society is a better place for his removal from it
It obviously hasn't bothered you enough for you to want to better yourself by moving from such an environment. That said, perhaps that's why you have the attitude you have when it comes to the death of "people like them" - at least on an anonymous message board you can spout your vitriol with relative impunity. Its a different thing saying it to one of your neighbours whom you view with such disdain though, isn't it?

It's been fun Marty, now let's move along.

Sirius 05-05-2010 18:58
Re: Some shocking news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas T (Post 35014667)
It'd be too late if you waited for a post card back :) ;)
Edited it to allow another option ;)

Mr Angry 05-05-2010 19:07
Re: Some shocking news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35014664)
So being ex forces as i am can i ask a question of you.

Lets say i was in a postion where i was being shot at by a bloody big tank :erm:

what should i have done.

A. Said no i will not shoot at him his life is sacred and let him kill me instead

B. Pink mist him


Answers on a post card please or on this forum :D
What colour of tank is it?

papa smurf 05-05-2010 19:10
Re: Some shocking news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35014685)
What colour of tank is it?
i'd go for a Italian tank they have 18 reverse gears ;)


and on a cable theft related note i went to sheffield on saturday night to replace a stolen 50 pair telephone cable got home at midnight -got told this morning it went missing again the next day, you just can win.

dilli-theclaw 05-05-2010 19:18
Re: Some shocking news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35014674)
Edited it to allow another option ;)
I'd have shot him, with a 'sorry old bean' postcard sellotaped to the shell :)

Mr Angry 05-05-2010 19:27
Re: Some shocking news
 
"18 reverse gears" isn't a Dulux listed colour.

papa smurf 05-05-2010 19:36
Re: Some shocking news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35014704)
"18 reverse gears" isn't a Dulux listed colour.
no but its very handy when your being shot at;)

Sirius 05-05-2010 21:22
Re: Some shocking news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35014685)
What colour of tank is it?
Red as i was blue force ;)

---------- Post added at 20:22 ---------- Previous post was at 20:20 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35014688)
i'd go for a Italian tank they have 18 reverse gears ;)


and on a cable theft related note i went to sheffield on saturday night to replace a stolen 50 pair telephone cable got home at midnight -got told this morning it went missing again the next day, you just can win.
BT have a bloke in a transit van who goes around welding down pit lids in manchester

punky 05-05-2010 22:05
Re: Some shocking news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze (Post 35014507)
All life is not sacred if that was the case we'd be eating carrots, and being over-run with vermin....
And don't forget constantly sick - bacteria and viruses are living organisms too.

You can't pick and choose who you show compassion to folks.

Ramrod 05-05-2010 23:04
Re: Some shocking news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35014471)
Err, no it doesn't, all life is sacred
Says who? :confused:

---------- Post added at 22:04 ---------- Previous post was at 22:02 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35014649)
You see, that's the thing about compassion, it's not something that one can pick and choose as to who, or what, you apply it to. You don't get that option, you either have it or you don't.
Erm, thats not true :)

Flyboy 05-05-2010 23:17
Re: Some shocking news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35014663)
If put up a poll on this very thread subject, I would not be in the least bit surprised to find that the majority of people voting would feel little or no sympathy and compassion for this thieving moron as he brought it on himself by attempting to steal other peoples property.

Very few people will ever feel compassion for a thieving ******* and most will feel that he deserved his fate.

Compassion must be earned and a thief can never earn it.
And this is the very reason why you will never understand the concept. Compassion is something that is given freely, of the person laying it down for their fellow man. It is not a commodity to be bartered, priced and commercialised.

---------- Post added at 22:17 ---------- Previous post was at 22:12 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35014869)
Says who? :confused:

---------- Post added at 22:04 ---------- Previous post was at 22:02 ----------

Erm, thats not true :)
Oooookay....why?

Peter_ 05-05-2010 23:17
Re: Some shocking news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35014881)
And this is the very reason why you will never understand the concept. Compassion is something that is given freely, of the person laying it down for their fellow man. It is not a commodity to be bartered, priced and commercialised.
If you feel so strongly do as I said above and setup a poll and you will see how one sided that argument is when applying it to a thieving ******* such as this guy.

I know you will not do that because you already know what the result will be, as the majority will say no compassion for a thief who should have known better.

If it was an electricity worker who was accidently electrocuted in the course of his job then we would feel sorry for him and his family.

Sirius 05-05-2010 23:19
Re: Some shocking news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35014889)
If you feel so strongly do as I said above and setup a poll and you will see how one sided that argument is when applying it to a thieving ******* such as this guy.

I know you will not do that because you already know what the result will be, as the majority will say no compassion for a thief who should have known better.

If it was an electricity worker who was accidently electrocuted in the course of his job then we would feel sorry for him and his family.
:clap:

gazfan 06-05-2010 00:48
Re: Some shocking news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35014881)
And this is the very reason why you will never understand the concept. Compassion is something that is given freely, of the person laying it down for their fellow man. It is not a commodity to be bartered, priced and commercialised.

---------- Post added at 22:17 ---------- Previous post was at 22:12 ----------



Oooookay....why?
because you can choose to whom compassion is given - and such a powerful concept must never be diluted by being given freely - it especially must not be wasted on those people who had the choice whether to risk death by an illegal act, or not, & chose the risk, then failed.

that applies to people being electrocuted in substations, those dying due to drug overdoses, losing control of a speeding car, etc, etc, etc

Regrets, yes, compassion, no ...

Maggy 06-05-2010 01:02
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I have compassion but it's reserved for his family.

I guess I wouldn't make a very good Christian though.I'm sure Jesus would would have had regret,compassion and love for this man..and forgiven him.


However it's not my place to forgive him as he's not wronged me.He's paid a high price for stupidity and maybe it's time to let him rest in peace as this thread is really going no where.

speedfreak 06-05-2010 01:22
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picture a charred dead man on a slab, a father to children and a son to his mum . Then look down on him and call him mr crispy. If you can do that and think yourself as compassionate then fair enough.If you find it funny fair enough though I think its sick. Re the sense of humour thing, just because someone doesnt find it funny doesnt mean they and I quote are lacking a sense of humour. There were jokes floating around when princess Di died, I didnt find those funny either. circumstances lead up to a death like this, sit at your pc's and mock it if you like I just hope someone close to you doesnt end up the same and you dont have to witness people on a forum making jokes over it.

Masque, marty I normally agree with your posts this is one we will have to agree to disagree over. No hard feelings. I have alot more to say but i've had to type quick on the ps3 before maggy locks it :) gaz i couldnt disagree more with your post but each to their own i guess

flyboy, thanks to you joining in, I havent had one attack on my good name lol :)

Peter_ 06-05-2010 07:39
Re: Some shocking news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by speedfreak (Post 35014966)
picture a charred dead man on a slab, a father to children and a son to his mum . Then look down on him and call him mr crispy. If you can do that and think yourself as compassionate then fair enough.If you find it funny fair enough though I think its sick. Re the sense of humour thing, just because someone doesnt find it funny doesnt mean they and I quote are lacking a sense of humour. There were jokes floating around when princess Di died, I didnt find those funny either. circumstances lead up to a death like this, sit at your pc's and mock it if you like I just hope someone close to you doesnt end up the same and you dont have to witness people on a forum making jokes over it.

Masque, marty I normally agree with your posts this is one we will have to agree to disagree over. No hard feelings. I have alot more to say but i've had to type quick on the ps3 before maggy locks it :) gaz i couldnt disagree more with your post but each to their own i guess

flyboy, thanks to you joining in, I havent had one attack on my good name lol :)
If someone I actually knew did this I would still feel no compassion for them either, as they had made a choice of to thieve or not to thieve and the end result was death through stupidity.

Ramrod 06-05-2010 09:12
Re: Some shocking news
 
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35014881)
Oooookay....why?
1)Look around at what happens in nature, life is most certainly not sacred. Humans might choose to think it is but the evidence says otherwise :shrug:
2)Just because I have no compassion for the likes of Stalin or this ******* doesn't mean that I don't have compassion for others....

Down the Pub 06-05-2010 22:37
Re: Some shocking news
 
might be a bit late with this - must try harder

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Originally Posted by budwieser (Post 35001989)
I don`t suppose they were `Pikeys` by any chance.:erm:
Serves him bloody well right. If it isn`t yours, don`t take it.:mad:
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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35002285)
Thats the first think I thought :D
my first thought to.

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Originally Posted by broadbandking (Post 35002406)
Serves him right for trying to steal copper.
or any ther cable for that matter. 33Kv cable isn't exactly small stuff. single phase cables are about 2 inches thick and weigh about 6kg's per metre. on the other hand if it was 3phase cable - i hope they wern't gonna try and carry it off down the street, it's best part of 5 inches thick and is 25-odd kg's per metre. not the sort of stuff u'd usually find house-bashing................

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Originally Posted by broadbandking (Post 35002415)
If he wasn't trying to steal he would have not died, he tryed to steal and got killed, his own fault and I for one don't care.

sentiments echo'd. had a site in devon and wondered why had no power to the container. found they had dug the cable - spiked it (trips the breaker which kills the power and makes safe) and nicked it. it then took twice the work to replace and re-duct it than it did first time round.


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