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This bit:

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I'm sick of people being offended. The idea that if you "offend" someone, that some kind of appeasement is neccessary really winds me up.

It's one of our freedoms. If someone is offended that's fine they can be offended.

It's a point of view, what you find offensive I may not, and vice versa.

Unless it is prescribed in law that the "offensive" act is illegal in any way, (which of course is different), Otherwise if anybody says to you "I find that offensive" say "good" and then tell them to F****ff

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I hope the person who made this complaint is happy with the outcome.

Perhaps next time they wont stick their nose into something that doesnt concern them.

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But, as a manager, it did concern him.

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Where does it say that a manager initiated the complaint?

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I believe it was mentioned on page one, wasn't it?

EDIT:

Ooops...that was speculation by Russ; must remember to read linked article. But then, as it was the Daily Heil, one can make any assumption they wish and IT would still be more accurate than what they would ever write. ;)

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Ooops indeed.:p:

Are events reported in 'approved' publications the only ones that actually happened?:rolleyes:

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I am not sure, but I tend think many times (not just twice, but perhaps a few hundred times) before reading such articles from this particular publication. I would believe it wise for everyone to do so. ;)

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When a publication has the reputation of misreporting and bias then it is perhaps wise to check the story with another source.

I used to find most of the DM's output laughable but when I see some people taking some of the stories seriously on this forum :shocked: :shocked:

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Could I just point out all the caveats in both articles, as this appears to be a tragic story with a lot of speculation attached....

From the MEN It would be nice to have some facts (besides the tragedy of the man's death), rather than all this speculation (imho).

And as I said before, strange that this story has turned up, when the memorial service was at the end of February.

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Has anyone considered that maybe the 'approved' publications don't report certain stories because they are in effect censoring them?

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If this turns into a political rant it will get closed. Stick to the topic, please.



Edit (Paul M) - the offending posts have been removed.

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A lot of people's skins need to thicken in this country nowadays and while bullying is not and never has been acceptable we have to get back to a position of common sense. In this country we used to laugh and mock the old communist eastern block countries for not being able to speak as you felt who is laughing now as most of them are far more tolerant then we are now how sad the table has turned on this issue.

This culture like many that have infested themselves in recent years is nothing more then a social cancer and we desperately need someone or something to come along say enough is enough and cut it out once and for all.

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yes i made that mistake ,it was not the manager that overheard and made the complaint ,the manager was acting on someone else's complaint ...
which does tend to reinforce my argument that the manager in question should most definitely have acted with a bit more common sense.Granted he/she has to act on any complaint no matter how petty they may seem ,they would be failing in their duties if they didn't ,but a quiet word with all three individuals would have cleared it up .
I do agree with flyboy that sometimes what can appear to be innocuous remarks can be symptoms of a bigger problem and must be guarded against ,but a good manager should be able see past innocent jokes and banter and what could be a case of bullying .After all most people have enough problems worrying about paying mortgages council tax ect without having problems at work that should really have been left in the school yard

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Or.......

They don't print them because they (on the whole) print news, not rabble-rousing speculation?

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Well the "victim" of the abuse is a funny victim as he went to his mate funeral.

The person who has blood on there hands is a I said in a later post, the bust body who started the ball rolling.

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Hardly. He/she probably believed they were acting appropriately and in the best interests of their colleague and employer, by bringing it to the attention of their line manager; just as I would expect any employee of mine to do. I truly believe that there is more to this than meets the eye, but it is unlikely to be ever revealed.

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actually i do agree with you on this ,it is the managers responsibility to act on information recieved ,but he/she does also have a responsibilty to act fairly and sensibly to all parties
and yes i also there is much more to this

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Yes, the manager does have a duty to act responsibly, but they also have a duty to any potential victim. Perhaps, after an initial investigation they decided it warranted the action they took. It is also possible that some **** of a manager, who was covering for the day, decided to play things safe and chose to act beyond his remit.

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agreed that's the biggest problem with sort of thing different people see the same situation in a different light and react differently ..as this thread proves ,some see it as bullying some see it as a bit of fun

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And some of us see it as over legislation of our private lives..The strange thing is that stand up comics can get away with saying much worse things provided they don't use certain words and names...:rolleyes:

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The mail article is (as they often are) a little light on facts that tell us what actually happened. One thing they do not mention is *if* the person who reported the incident knew that they were friends, and therefore would have known it was a friendly remark rather than bullying or racism.

If they didn't, how were they not doing the right thing? They reported potential bullying to a manager. Bullying *has* caused people to kill themselves and it does occur in a *lot* or workplaces. The victims of bullying often do not report the bullying. This is why bullies are often so successful.

I am not, as I said earlier, defending the actions of the company. Based on the facts as presented (which I am sure do not tell the whole story anyway), I don't see why the company would have done anything worse than have a quick word with the man who said the comment.

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Russ - perhaps I'm remembering incorrectly - but didn't you have something like this years ago? - you were asking someone at your work about their country of origin - and someone else overheard and complained about you?

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"knew that they were friends" Didn`t the Black guy ,who the remark was directed at laugh?;) He also went to his friends funeral and was shattered.
" The black man, who is believed to have attended Mr Amor’s funeral and had known him for many years, is said to be ‘shattered’

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No direct evidence or quotes from those involved, just unsubstantiated speculation.

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So presumably the person who made the report should have been able to see the future...? :confused:

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Whatever the real facts are in this sorry tale none of us know, as usual the Daily Hate has printed a salacious story based on unknown sources all designed to get people hot under the collar about our "PC society".
There is a very slim chance that what these muppets have printed could be true, that a man makes a fairly innocuous remark to a friend, gets suspended then goes home and in a fit of despair commits suicide...on the other hand, and far more likely in my opinion, the above is no more than standard DM crap stirring.
Does anybody honestly believe the above happened in the way its been presented? apart from Gary that is..;)

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Yes, I know which bit you quoted, but as I said, I'm not sure what you're getting at, I can't see how your post relates to the bit of my post you quoted. Hence why I asked :)

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A funeral which happened *after* the incident was reported. Also, whether he heard the laugh or not, the company should have investigated and taken that into account.

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If it is as it is reported then this whole thing could have been sorted quickly and easily with a quick conversation between the two parties which didn't happen because of whatever reason and completely inappropriate action was taken.

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I forget myself now. :D

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I am not disputing that. In fact, I have said as much three times now.

What I am disputing is that the person who reporting the incident is directly responsible. IF they are the manager concerned and just suspended the guy, then yes, they have to take some of the blame. The other part of the blame lays with the procedures within the company.

If they are not, then all they did was reported a concern to a superior. I don't see why they should be blamed for killing someone just for doing that.

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"
‘His colleague has known both Roy and Ann for years and is a family friend. He went to Roy’s funeral and is as shattered by what happened as is everyone else.

‘He has told Ann that he didn’t make the complaint and despite requests from the family, the company has refused to discuss the details of it. "


A little bit clearer for you mate. ? ;)

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Stuart they may well be to blame if they are amongst the growing number of people in this country incapable of using their brain and common sense and are part of the be offended on behalf of others brigade that is sadly around and growing. Also before i would ever fire off anything remotely official i would do a bit of research myself on something and find out if it was a problem. These days people are so damn scared to be labelled and react completely stupid to things that once upon a time would have been laughed at or ignored.