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That's a bit like saying you can't object to it if the council says there won't or shouldn't be a problem with parking. it would have been denied in the first place, so you can't complain at a later date when the amount of traffic is increasing with more people going there.

the enforcing of parking restrictions is down to the council. they're not doing anything. what's the next step?

Build another one. if it goes ahead then it means that the impact is deemed to not be a problem. until it does become a problem, and it gets ignored like the other one too.

How do they determine parking won't be a problem when there's no legal requirement to have a minimum amount of parking spaces? do they go around knocking on doors asking people if they're likely to attend and if so do you have a car to park?

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If it starts to impact the safety of the highway, then the council has a duty to do somehing about it.
Have you actually reported it to the council giving evidence of the impact on safety?
Have you written to your MP giving evidence of the impact on safety?
That's what they're paid for, so make them work for their money.
Course it's much easier to sit back and moan isn't it? Bit like with pot holes, plenty of people will moan about them but few actually bother reporting them, which is why it can take so long for something to be done.

As to how they decide whether there will be an unacceptable detriment to highway safety, it's called a risk assessment.
You really haven't done anything at all about this issue in your area have you?
All you've done is come on here and moan right?
How about instead, if it genuinely is a problem to road safety, contact the council and your MP?

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But wouldn't "out of the way somewhere"
a) cause more traffic congestion due to travelling "out of the way somewhere"
b) "out of the way somewhere" tends to be greenbelt, where it is almost impossible to get planning permission
c) sounds like nimbyism to me ;)

Like most places of worship (churches, synagogues, etc) mosques tend to be built where most people live - cities and towns. Would you apply the same rules to synagogues and churches?

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In fairness Gary, that junction's going to be fairly chaotic anyway - you've got 6 road exits (and 1 that, seeing as it looks like a path into a park, isn't going to have a massive amount of traffic).

Add that to the fact that one of the exits links directly to the Small Heath Highway (which has always been a horrible road traffic-wise), and I don't really see how you can attribute much of the parking / traffic difficulties to the mosque :shrug:

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Exactly.

Exactly.

Hello?!! :)

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Just to let you know it doesn't affect me. only when I have to drive through that way. which I try really hard to avoid anyway.

I was voicing the problems of having mosques in built up areas.

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It doesn't have to.

Try a plot of land that's away from little side roads.

That's when villagers say leave our village alone. put it in the city! :)


Everybody knows that most of our churches were built years ago. and everything else was built around them at the time.
some even have land to bury people. acres of it. so within that land there is room for people and cars.

and as I said before. a lot of churches don't attract many people to them. the busiest I've seen a church is at a funeral.

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I'm confused, Gary.

Don't you think it's inappropriate to threaten to burn down a mosque because of the threat of parking congestion?

Presumably you'd support a new mosque being built if everyone was guaranteed to arrive on foot?

Because if not, you'd just sound like a closed-minded, bigot...

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I know. because you're thinking of only one thing.

Yes, but I don't think they wanted to burn it down because of that. and I'm not responsible for it either.

That would sway a lot of people I think. probably not the ones who want to burn the place down. and I'm not responsible for that one either.

Hurrah, I don't sound like a closed-minded bigot! :D

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There's a first.

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To save everyone fighting each other, what has to happen, IF there is a mosque in WEMBLEY, then there cannot be another built within a mile of the other.

A mosque has to suit residents, and not the builders, to my knowleage in SOUTHALL, there are THREE within half a mile, this should not be allowed to happen.

They have to consider residents, and play area's, but the reason why cars are parking on double yellows or even single yellow lines, or even double parking etc, is probabely the parking enforcement officers, probabley pray there, so they will walk straight past the cars and hit a couple of vans, doing there normal day job.

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Why not? Surely it's better to spread them out than have one large mosque to accomodate them all and cause more congestion in one area?

Oh Arthur, Arthur, Arthur. Why not contact the council and your MP about the matter if that really is the case?
And anyway, when did traffic warden = muslim?
In our area, the council now patrol the road outside the shops where double parking was a problem because people contacted them and informed them of it.

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I DID NOT mention anything about faith or relgion did l ?. what l said, like around here most of the parking enforcement officers are of black origin.

And also l stated also that there should only be on mosque built within a mile raduis of each other, ie One in Housnlow, One in Southall etc. otherwise there will be more mosques than houses.

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You speculated that most of the parking enforcement officers prayed in the mosque. In what way is that not mentioning anything about faith or religion? :spin:

You said nothing about the colour of the parking enforcement officers.

Oh, and black does not equal muslim. Equally muslim does not equal black.

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Why does everyone on this forum, like to cause a problem over race or relgion, l am not a racist person, but it appears some people get hot under the collar.

What l said was clear enough, l said around here most of the enforcement officers are of black origion, and it wouldn't surprise me, if they went to the mosgue and prayed.

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Oh, Arthur - you contradict yourself, then you don't even realise it....

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Most blacks around here attend the new church in the next town, which causes lots of congestion, hence my suggestion that they share the old church in my town which has plenty of parking spaces.

Re: Another protest against plans for a new mosque
 

i not relly fused ether way

Re: Another protest against plans for a new mosque
 

You may want to rephrase that :erm: :)

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I wonder if its really the parking and congestion issue that makes a lot of people hot under the collar about a mosque being built, if there were to be ample parking in and around the area in question I suppose that a lot of folk would be happy to see the mosque being built.

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They are after building one in Bolton with a tower taller than the town hall clock, I aint rasict but I think the clock tower is over 100ft tall and I will protest.

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You got a link for that, marky? - nothing in the local news about it (there is one being built in Accrington, but that's quite a distance away).

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Nope, it was in the paper but nothing online, same as I cant find how high the clock tower is :dozey:

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Not likely to get one here unless we get rather more Muslims in the area.

However I'd rather that than they fill up the land area that was HMS Deadelus air field with thousands of new housing that will turn us into even more of a dormitory town WITHOUT any new road infrastructure or health care facilities or new secondary school places etc,etc.

There are worse things to fear IMHO.

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It's at least 240 feet high - well, it was when Fred Dibnah climbed it...;)

btw, the Accrington mosque story was in the Bolton paper a couple of weeks ago

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Good point. At this rate there will be more mosques than Churches.
People seem to be forgetting what England is about. Does no one want to hold on to a culture, a history of england, and tradition?
Soon England will have no individuality or identity as it once had!


As for parking spaces, you will find that a lot of councils are now building fewer car park spaces than the amount of car users to try and promote more use of public transport when building new buildings such as schools.

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That's not on wanting it to be bigger. is it bigger than the average tower (minaret)?

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:clap::clap::clap:

At the rate things are going we won't have an identity.

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What does it matter if there are more mosques than churches, or more supermarkets than churches for that matter?
Should people be forced to attend and donate to churches?

Bringing England's history, culture and tradition into it is interesting, which period of history? The pagan periods which make up more of our history than the period since, the catholic period, the CoE period, or the secular period?

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Wouldn't it be seen as a dominant Muslim country by outsiders?
then your next question would have to be "what does it matter if Britain is now a more Muslim dominant country"

This isn't about supermarkets. we don't need to keep comparing them to the topic in hand. just like we don't need to bring in McDonald's.

That would be forcing a religion onto someone.

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You mean rather than a secular dominant country? I know you're not suggesting that people are turning away from christianity and converting to islam.
70% of the population say they are christians, but 70% of the population do not regularly attend churches, so if they're not needed, it's right that they close. Remember, you don't have to go to church to be a christian.
Incidently, a tiny 4% of the population are muslim.

There are over 47,000 churches in Britain, compared with only 1,500 mosques.
So seriously, unless you are suggesting people are converting from christian and secular views to islam, how exactly would Britain be considered a dominant Muslim country?

What about Wimpy? :D

Are you concerned about the decline in the number of churches, or the possibility that there could one day be fewer churches than mosques?
If so, how would you increase the number of churches without forcing religion onto people?

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Why is it right that thay close? can't you just leave them as a historical kind of thing?

You wouldn't believe it would you.

I don't know. people think that the design of them is over powering? built to look like a palace? stands out like a leggy blonde in a short skirt and high heels?

I would be if you had them all knocked down for non-use.

It's not so much 'more' it's more too many, too big, and a bit over the top.

Why do we have to increase them? I thought they weren't being used?

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Close isn't the same as demolish :)
If there is no need for a church in an area, then


Yes I would. Why wouldn't I?

You mean like this?
http://www.christopherholt.com/image...uth_03_023.jpg

Again, where have I said they all should be knocked down for non-use?

Surely too many would be when there are more than enough so that they aren't crowded causing congestion and have one lying empty because there is no use for it?

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Its not always necessary to have an answer for everything Gary, especially when the response is as vacuous as;


"You wouldn't believe it would you"

and my favourite.:)


"It's not so much 'more' it's more too many, too big, and a bit over the top."

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There are, of course, other faiths in Britain:

... in Cambridge. And the local people are quite happy about it (according to the article: http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home...erans-club.htm).

I wonder if the protests against new Mosques has more to do with Islamaphobia than difficulty in finding a parking space.

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I wonder if you actually read the link you think proves your point?

Easier to trot out insinuations of 'Islamaphobia', I presume you meant Islamophobia. I've no doubt there's some of this, but I would strongly also consider taking some objections at face value.

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It seems that even muslims are against the building of mosques in some places

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/n...re/8608282.stm

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Xaccers.
How do you know that 4% of the population is muslim, What census has there been asking about religion?. What about the ones that are living here illegally?. You seem like the sort of person that would roll over and let your culture + country be taken away, while you sit there looking for stupid reasons why it should happen. Before you come out with anymore of your rubbish about the pagan period or the catholic period, don't forget our ancestors fought against this to make the country a better place, for people like you to live in and give away to all and sundry. This has been a predominantley Christian country for hundreds of years but when people ask what i am i say English, ask someone from the middle east and they reply Muslim. They do not identify with a country, only a religion, They are only going to be happy when every one in the UK is Muslim. Don't you think it's amazing that (by your estimate 4%) can have such an impact on on the way of life of the population of this country.

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Churches are also a problem with parking. Around here the police have finally started to ticket those who park inconsiderately across peoples driveways whilst visiting church.

I guess the resident Christians will not be impressed with me for this. About 3 weeks ago I walked in the church, up to the front and disrupted the service to give the vicar a note with the vehicle registration that I wanted removed from in front of my parents driveway.

It caused a bit of a stir, and some of the worshippers thought I was very ignorant for doing so.

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:LOL: I'd have liked to see that. Apart from having to be in the church that is :)

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They seem to think that visiting church gives them the right to park where they like. I had arrived at my parents on a Sunday and wanted to use the garage/pit.

The funny part was that I was covered in grease and oil, with really dirty, smelly overalls .:D

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The pagan and catholic periods certainly aren't rubbish, if you knew your own culture and history you'd know how they've impacted on culture since.
We wouldn't be the English we are today without that history.
The majority of England's populated past has been non-CoE if religion is your criteria (as it seems to be).
For over a hundred years we've been moving away from being a religious society to a secular one.
This is clear in our laws. In general society views someone's religious choice as personal, and people should not be compelled to adhere to one religion.
You're a christian and you want your religion to be top dog? Well unfortunately for you human nature doesn't work that way, humans get distracted from religion by other things, be they shiny gadgets or scientific evidence. Live with it. No one is saying you can't be a christian, it's your choice, and no one is saying you shouldn't be allowed to follow christian requirements (wearing a crucifix is not one of them incase that was about to come up - your religious ancesters should have thought of that when they decided what was to be included in the bible, complain to them).
The 2001 census puts the figure of muslims at just under 3%, with 7.3% of returns not stating their religion. So are you trying to suggest that all 7.3% are infact muslims who forgot to put that down on the census?
The ONS research states that in 2009 the muslim population was only 2.4 million, that means in 2009 they were outnumbered by 58.7million non-muslims.
So when someone asks you what you are, you reply English? I'd reply "What do you mean "what am I?" I'm a man, isn't that obvious?"
All your answer shows is you interpret the question as "What is your nationality?" rather than "What is your religion?"
As for those fools who believe they can one day turn England into an Islamic state, they're going to keep on being unhappy. The fools on the other side of the religious line, like yourself, who also believe muslims can one day turn England into an Islamc state need to take a reality check.

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Well I never knew you were a Protestant Reformer. ;)

While I agree with your statement that what constitutes 'Christian' behaviour is that which is found in the Bible, I feel compelled to point out that that is not a universally-held view. The Roman church places a great deal of significance on Church Law, as set out by the Bishop of Rome and his senior advisers, as well as the traditions of the elders (ancient saints etc).

I'm not an adherent of the Church of Rome myself but I can well understand why those who are, and those English who are not, but are sympathisers (often known as 'Anglo-Catholic'), would argue that wearing a crucifix is a central part of their religious expression.

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Ah but roadwolf said the catholic period in England was "rubbish".

As I've said many times before, I'll support someone's right to practice their religion as long as it's within the law and doesn't harm anyone. My objection has always been with the deception that often comes with the public portrayal of relgions. But you know that already so we don't need to go over it any further.

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Actually he said your analysis of the Catholic period was rubbish. ;) But let's not slide too far from the topic eh ... ? :D

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That would be funny if they used them like out buildings where the SAS train in hostage situations :D

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I would have gone in with a megaphone :)

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i was recently working near a mosque [a converted Methodist church] the parking went from no cars to two abreast in a short period of time problem is the street is a cul-de-sac ,and is populated by old folks bungalow's ,so they are totally penned in during Friday prayers [that's the day i was there]
but the thing that struck me most was it all seemed to be a last minute panic not to be late, and that there where no women in any of the cars, are women not welcome in this House of god i found there lack of attendance puzzling .

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Seperate prayer rooms for men and women.
Could you concentrate on your prayers with some young lady sticking her bottom in your direction?

Smaller mosques don't have the space for this at the same time.

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I couldn't. I'd consider taking up the religion though :)

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round these parts that's an offer mate :naughty::naughty::naughty:

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Do you purposely interpret comments in the wrong way just to be argumentative. At no time did i state i was a Christian or that i wanted my religion to be "top dog". I am an Atheist. You claim a Census was carried out 9 years ago, I can't remember anyone asking my religion 9 years ago, also 9 year old figures are not really representative of now. I notice there was no comment on how the so called 4% can change other peoples way of life so much, I guess Islam doesnt recognise democracy, oh silly me, of course not, religious leaders decide what happens.

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Wolf-man ... there was a census nine years ago, in 2001. There will be another in 2011. There's a national census once every 10 years in the UK and has been for more than 200 years now. The 2001 census asked questions about religion for the first time, prompting an internet campaign for people to put 'Jedi'.

If you were the head of your household in 2001 then you should have filled this in. If you weren't then you may well not have been aware of it happening. But it does happen, and it is a major source of information which Government uses for long-term planning.

Nine-year-old data is still relevant now because while populations do change, they rarely change so fast that data becomes totally useless in under a decade.

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It was such an insignificant part of your rant I missed it.
Would you care to tell us how much of the population have their lives changed by Islam?
Statistical sources would be of benefit rather than a guess off your own head.

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The Friday prayer is seen by most muslims as the most important 'regular' prayer to perform in congregation. Hence why you get a huge amount of people outside mosques on Friday afternoon. Because of the amount of people women will not attend in smaller mosques (as the emphasis is on men attending the prayer in congregation) but many large mosques have separate rooms.

What I dont understand about arguments that have been bought up by the parking issue is that illegally parked cars, be they outside the mosque or on a high street, will get ticketed or clamped. The mosques I regularly go to in South London are all on red routes - which limits parking extremely. Most people park in bays or legally on the road. They are also there for an hour maximum. I have seen cars get clamped and ticketed - but never the same car get ticketed or clamped twice. Generally people learn their lesson and park legally next time.

Yes I agree double parking and obstructions will happen. But there are ways that someone being illegally parked can deal with it. And there are fines in place to prevent it happening.

As for being penned in because cars are obstructing the driveway - a few years back my neighbour decided to park in front of my dropped down kerb as she thought she was entitled to do so. A quick call to the locall police station sorted out the problem in a few minutes.

Also bear in mind that mosques do not want to constantly have complaints regarding parking directed at them as it leads to hostility and tension between muslims and neighbouring non muslims. Quite a few mosques I know have people standing outside ensuring people are parked with consideration to others.

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It seems the argument goes something like this:

Protester: Garr those muslims are parking illegally and causing congestion.
Moderate: Haven't traffic wardens ticketted anyone?
Protester: No they don't patrol around here and don't know it's an issue.
Moderate: Well, have you told them it's an issue?
Protester: No, can't be bothered, I don't live here anyway so it's not a problem for me, but it's those bloody muslims that are the problem, why can't thy go back where they came from?
Moderate: Luton?

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Or something like this.

Protester: Garr those muslims are parking illegally and causing congestion.
Moderate: Haven't traffic wardens ticketted anyone?
Protester: No.
Moderate: Do they know about it?
Protester: Yes, but the council ignore it. I don't live here anyway so it's not a problem for me, but it's getting worse.
Moderate: Oh. Oi! you can't park like that. where did you learn to drive?!! move it. it's in the way![/QUOTE]

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There, fixed it for you Gary

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Come on, everyone knows the council ignore the parking issues because they don't want to be seen as 'racist' :rolleyes: :spin:

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Someone should tell MK traffic wardens then as since they started enforcing it outside the shops up the road I've not see one double parked car, and most of those which used to double park were driven by asians.

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I don't think it's just that Russ. it's a bit of don't want to be seen as punishing them for wanting to go to the mosque.
it's one of the main Muslim areas in Birmingham, so the only complaints they get are from motorists that pass through the area really. I doubt if the residents who live there would want to complain themselves about it.

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Interesting part of the debate here I think. is the area a dominant Muslim area, or more half and half?

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I thought there were no Asians in MK, due to the lack of corner shops? :) :angel:

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:rofl:

Do you mean in MK as a city (quiet pedants!), the area by the shops, or the likely ethnic/religious background of MK's traffic wardens?

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Where the mosque is. it is by the shops you mentioned? are both those areas a muslim dominant area like the mosque is that I have mentioned?

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Traffic wardens not wanting to clamp illegally parked cars because the owners are at the mosque? How rubbish. I'd like to see you back that up with some credible information as opposed to it being just another one of your stupid opinions which you present as fact.

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No it's up the road and around the corner. It's patrons don't double park.
The double parking by the shops was mostly people chatting with their taxi driver friends, or visiting the throatcutters on the corner.
The immediate area is mostly Chav, spreading towards the mosque you have mostly caucasians, the road that it is on and mine is mostly working class/middle class caucasians, afro and one or two asians. I have a jamaican christian on one side of me, and and two asian christians and an american on the other.
Heading the other way towards the next town is a mix, mostly caucasian, gradually increasing numbers of asians, and then where the double parking problems were outside the shops in the next town it's mostly asians. Incidently, they have a larger mosque there, and no double parking from it.

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It's not just about illegaly parked cars. it's the congestion and build up.

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Apart from the problem of double parking. is there much congestion due to inadequate parking facilities for the mosque? the one I'm talking about has problems not only with double parking but parking on the pavements. roads impassable and such.

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Illegally parked cars seem to be one of your principle arguments. Now can we have some facts to back up your posts stating that councils do not want to ticket cars because they are worried about offending muslims at the mosque. Or at least admit to it as being an ill thought opinion without any basis.

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Not really. it was originally about the protests and violence involved when it comes to new mosques being built. it was Xaccers who started the parking thing earlier on. I have spoken about all sorts of parking and congestion problems.

It maybe my opinion to you now because there's nothing else to give you. can you present facts to state it's otherwise? or is it just your opinion without any basis for thinking that?

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As there is no allowance making it ok to park a car because you are visiting a mosque (for prayers or otherwise) in either the Birmingham or Croydon parking regulations, I can only conclude that you are talking rubbish....AGAIN. I have yet to come across this is any parking regulation literature (I am now lookign at Islington's council website).Unfortunately for you, this seems to be another one of your arguments that can be filed under...Absolute garbage. If you want to present an argument at least have some facts to back it up. Otherwise you look extremely foolish.

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They just overlook it. turn a blind eye. take into account the reasons for why it's happening and realising that doing something may cost ill feeling and money?

:soapbox::sniper: :D


This is an example of how it does happen. read some of the comments too.
http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/Counci...ing.6134277.jp

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From your link:

John Charlton, Sheffield Council's Director of Street Force, said: "We have continued to enforce along this corridor between 4.30pm and 6.30pm and in general we have not seen many vehicles parked illegally.

"We are now allocating two members of staff in a vehicle to watch this location until at least 7.15pm for the next for the next fortnight to help us to find out more about the problem."

Definately ignoring the problem then..... hmmmm yes ok. And since when has ticketing illegally parked cars cost councils money?

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From my link.

A MOTORIST has accused councillors of "ignoring" parking problems at a city mosque they pledged to tackle a year ago.

Mark Shepherd, of Norton, wrote to Coun Ian Auckland, Sheffield Council cabinet member for transport, saying: "Having read in The Star last year of your concern, and that of your colleagues in this current administration, regarding the illegal parking outside the mosque on Wolseley Road, I was shocked the situation has been ignored since."

They were ignoring it at the start :rolleyes:

When it becomes obvious that the council will have to do something about providing parking spaces? when you admit to a problem it usually costs money to fix it with councils.

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Are you being deliberately obtuse or just stupid. Mark Shepard is not part of the council. For all we know his views could just be as bigotted and baseless as yours.

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Neither. are you both and more?

Did I say he was? :confused:

For all we know you're just being bigoted as well as the obvious baseless. :D

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It doesn't work like that Gary.
Councils don't have to provide extra parking in areas where there is illegal parking due to a lack of spaces.

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So you base that on one unknown person's say-so?

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Russ, dont waste your time mate. I regret giving him the time of day to his baseless posts.

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You've quoted me wrong Russ.

it's They just overlook it. turn a blind eye. take into account the reasons for why it's happening and realising that doing something may cost ill feeling and money?

See. it's now thoughts being questioned. not as how it looks the way you quoted to make it look like fact.

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If you feel that way. then I suggest you use the ignore feature. :D

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:confused:

OK let me put it another way.

What makes you think "they just overlook it"?

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the other thing i noticed was the quality of the cars some tasty motors there.
doubt if it will be too long before the car thieves weigh up that little gold mine .

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Here it is again. I think they may overlook it because they don't want any ill feeling towards muslims wanting to go to the mosque. by accepting there's a problem can mean having to accept responsibility for the problem. they're probably not getting many complaints from the residents but only outsiders so don't feel they need to take any action and can carry on ignoring it?

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I hate church bells when I'm trying to relax.... the muslim call to prayers would be just as annoying.

Have your religion, but keep it quiet please!

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I believe the effectiveness of the police in taking action against illegal parking is very much down to your local force. The local community council meetings have had so many resident complaints, that after years of the police taking no action they have now been hounded by the residents to act.

The religious place of worship and parking problem is widespread amongst all religions, I believe the lack of action in our area was due to both the parking issues being on a Sunday and it involved the church.

I don't believe as stated in one previous post the council/police are afraid of being branded racists for taking action, in my view it would be more accurate to say, they are afraid of being classed as atheists if they took any action.

Places of worship (All religions) appear to be treated leniently in this respect, and the leniency they receive is possibly the main cause of friction aside from racism.

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Sure you've got enough surmises in there? :D

Go on, admit it - you're making it up as you go along, aren't you? ;)

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For now. if you need any more just give us a shout. :)

That's not my style :D

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Probably not tax payers, the faithful at best, foreign governments at worst.

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Traffic wardens don't clamp, interestingly though a clamping firm I know of used to target a Mosque on fridays because they knew a lot of it's congregation would park in their clients private car park over the road.

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Blimey Gary have you never heard the expression "stop digging"?
You have presented your own biased opinion as a nudge, nudge wink wink fact, and you wonder why people take issue with you.

How on earth can anybody come back at a response like that?

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Everybodies opinion is biased in some way to another that doesn't agree with the same. if anyone takes issue then that's because I may not agree with them. which is not always going to happen in life.

Nobody has to. it's optional.

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What he means is you constantly hint at your viewpoint and as long as no-one questions you then you run with it. If anyone challenges you you always answer "where did I say that".

It makes any kind of discussion that you start off pretty unworkable.

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What's wrong with that? should I have to change my opinion because others question it?
would you change yours if I didn't agree with it?

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Nobody is saying you need to change your opinion. I'm not going in to it any further as we'd be way off-topic and it would be bordering personal. But I'm not the only person to see it.

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sounds like Gary L and you have differing opinions -that's the basis of a good debate -isn't it ? ;)

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but this thread is approaching 200 posts now though;)

Shame Gary made the vote multiple choice as some people have obviously got more than one opinion on this( somehow) but it is interesting though to see the percentage of those who have voted.

It says to me there are more people whose views are similar to mine but maybe do not speak them because of how it is percieved

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The second and the third option in the vote are pretty much the same also

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It's interesting that only 9 out of 69 said yes they can buld one where I live.. you would think there would be more. well you wouldn't, but the opportunity was there :)

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I would guess that pretty much everyone who has a go at every post you make in the same way would have voted against your stance .Although there is a chance some of those wouldnt actually want a Mosque that close to them if they were honest

Most people I speak to pretty much share my view and I associate with a cross section of society from well to do people to dossers lol and as I said most agree with me

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yes i find the results interesting despite the usual protestations from the liberals amongst us most people (who voted)have said a big fat NO

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i voted no but that won't surprise anyone ,its so strange that the fluffies haven't out-weighed that vote -i'm getting the feeling they mostly voted no for the same reasons i did .

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I think they are the minority opinion in the none Muslim white world only the none Muslim white world have a tendency not to speak out as they get branded bigoted or racist ( wrongly in the case of the Muslim discussions) or discriminative

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I'd say most of them voted "I don't care" which is why it's the second-highest voted-for option.

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even if you add them to the they can build one where I live they still come in second,

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So that shows more people on CF don't want one than those who do or don't care? Um ok...

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did I say that? I have just said its an interesting vote and voiced my experience from people I speak to. Russ making it up as he goes along as unusual that Um ok...

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'I don't care' was probably added for 'I don't care about the thread'