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Not only that but how would an MP get access to the votes? :confused:

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Per http://us1.campaign-archive.com/?u=9...&id=b507f75bf3

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Aghhh why are idiots allowed to live?

I didn't know they were claiming Billions in expenses!

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Good heads up, punky - could an admin please anonymise the numbers, please.

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I wondered that. When the polls are translated to seats on the basis of a uniform swing I wonder how do they know which seats are safe? Do they base it on a swing from the popular vote from the previous election and just impost it nationwide?

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Too late. Your going to prison!

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Grease me up, it's going to be a long night.......:shocked:

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The Sun has suppressed yet another poll:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...ll-brown-bigot

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Not that I'm suggesting for a second that postal votes might not be 100% secure...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...tal-votes.html

http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehou...al-fraud.thtml

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Done.

I believe Derek is already on his way to pick up foreverwar...

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Surely not! :shocked:

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It was a properly designed Tory ploy, and it worked.

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The question asked in the poll doesn't distinguish how badly or not they thought of him beforehand.:rolleyes: It also doesn't establish whether the people being asked knew the full details of what was said.

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Your talking bull crap

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Opening statements ... Gord is tripping over his own tongue, shouting, talking too fast. Basically he's panicking!

And in the following 10 minutes all he has to say is 'David's got it wrong, David's got it wrong.' Labour clearly now has nothing at all to say about the merits of its own policies. All it has left is desperate moves to scare people out of voting Tory.

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He keeps trying to scare people and he's failing. Brown is finished

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Cameron smackdown on Brown: "You heard it yourself - if you earn more than £20,000, Gordon considers you to be rich."

OUCH! :rofl:

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Nick Clegg (For the 3rd or 4th time) "There they go again!"

No Nick, there you go again trying to score the same point over and over and over and over..... He's a like a retarded parrot.

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I like Dave slipping in there about Gordo's fictious defence budget figures.

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... however, for my money, Clegg is still doing the best job of rising above it. He's giving a very good account of himself at the moment.

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i don't think either Cameron or Brown are doing themselves any favours at all keep having digs at each other ,Clegg seems to be the only one answering the questions with any sort of meaning

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I'm actually quite surprised by Clegg, he's coming across as very credible.

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No he isn't. Look at the woman who asked the question. He's addressing her directly (Cameron and Brown seem to have forgotten her entirely), and she is nodding and smiling back at him. He's playing a very canny game.

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exactly ,

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It will be embarrassing if Clegg finishes above either of these two in the poll. Although I hope the BBC have slightly more class than to shove a instant poll in our face the moment it ends. Last week Sky sounded far to excited about the poll.

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Brown seems to be totally discounting Clegg altogether ,it's almost as if Brown doesn't think Clegg is there

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I had exactly the same thought when I posted my old Mum's postal ballot off yesterday.

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That's because he doesn't want to upset him. This time next week, the only possible chance of Labour having any sort of power or influence in this country will be if they can form some sort of agreement with Nick. There is absolutely no chance of Labour winning and Gordon knows it. But he hasn't lost hope of forming a Lib/Lab coalition.

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Cameron as well....Maybe because the 'surge' has stopped and they think the Lib Dems are a non-entity on the Economy.

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But then there wouldn't be any politicians to vote for. ;)

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so, Brown has increased the number of apprentiships to 200,000 ...i would ask where are the people going to serve these apprentiships given our manufacturing industries have been decimated

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I like Cameron though, Surprised Brown has been this poor.

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See my post above. ;)

Although I think the Tories stand a rather better chance of getting an outright majority, they will still be thinking and planning hard about going into coalition with Nick.

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Cameron is coming across quite well this evening actually. Brown has been a very weak one-trick pony constantly repeating the point about taking money out of the economy, a weak point which Cameron is correctly answering by noting that minimising taxes keeps money in the economy.

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If Labour come third I don't think Nick will team up with them - he has already hinted that he wouldn't back the losing party in 3rd place.

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I wouldn't pay any politition to clean out my stables.

You know what this country has always been like, everything is ignored until it becomes a major problem, then it eventually gets sorted, a good case for a revolution every fifty years or so to start with a clean slate.

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WHY, WHY won't they talk properly about immigration, Cameron is talking crap, and so is Clegg, Cameron is saying we should talk about cutting it to 10.000 instead of 100.000 and Clegg is saying an amesty for illegals.

Let me say one thing, this country is FULL and cannot take anymore, we have to shut the door, other countries do this, IF you don't have a job, you cannot come here, So far this country now has a variety of immigrants, most of them are claiming all types of benefit, and most of them end up in crime to feed there habits etc.

I have a relative who lives on the borders of Southall, and he is petrified to go out at night due to various gangs, and the large majority of them are immigrants, it is about time this country say's enough is enough. shut the door.

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clegg has demolished cameron on immigration

in fact he demolished them both

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Oh, Arthur - it's so unusual for you to post about immigrants.

What brought this on......

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Clegg has pwn3d them both TBH.

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Agreed.

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You must have been gutted when they rooted out the Militant Tendency. :D

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I disagree - I think David Cameron has done a pretty good job tonight.

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Cameron has undoubtedly done a lot better than in either of the other debates, however Clegg is still successfully putting himself above the ding-dong that Cameron and Brown have both slipped into on a number of occasions tonight.

And I say this as someone who really, really *wants* Cameron to come out of this smelling of roses.

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Oh immigration? :confused:

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Quite. As in the first debate, Brown and Cameron keep slagging each other off, and Clegg confidently maneuvers himself in a position where he looks fresh, with novel ideas, and constructive. That last word doesn't seem to feature anywhere in the Tory and Labour dictionaries.

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To be honest I think Gordon Brown's entire strategy this evening has been to try and drag David Cameron down. He is on a damage control exercise now, his only thoughts are to try and minimise the number of seats the Conservatives get and try his luck on a hung parliament.

It's a cynical strategy but a strong one in that Cameron can't excel as he has to constantly fend off the snipes. The only thing he should perhaps do is stop counter-attacking.

Overall a much better performance from him, Clegg has been reasonable though helped a great deal by Brown's strategy, Brown has been nervous and weak and frankly looks like he popped some interesting substances before he went on stage.

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Well, having three Right Wing parties is not good for a democracy.

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That would be the same ding-dong that Clegg was trying with Cameron, 10 minutes ago when he was asking Cameron about the cap on immigration. It's okay for him to slate Brown and Cameron for having a good old ding-dong - but he has been doing it as well tonight.

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Mrs T came into the room, took one look at him and asked if he'd been crying before coming on stage. He has a very odd look in his eyes (and not for the obvious reason).

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True - and yet I think Clegg still manages to make it look like engaging with the issue rather than another case of 'there they go again' ... a line he used with good effect more than once, early on in the debate.

I still say, I really want Cameron to come out of this on top. I really want Labour to crash and burn. But I have to admit, Clegg is looking very strong right now.

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I think he was asking him to be clear, rather than outright attacking him (which comes across a lot better).

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Not as much though. I think it's ok to go on the attack as long as it looks geniune rather than point-scoring.

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I too thought he looked ill when he first came on and did you or anyone else here notice he flustered his wordings during his open speech and didn't say 'Conservatives' properly?

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He was a mess, it took him a good 10 minutes to calm down after it started.

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Secret messaging?:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2010/04/6.jpg

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But they are on point scoring exercise anyway - that is what the debate is all about to try to show an audience who can out shine the other.

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BBC are better than Sky at this. Think ITV win on the debate coverage though.

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Just readjusting the merchandise?

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Clegg is doing very,very well,Cameron is getting better and Brown is being more and more pathetic by the sentence.He really can't differentiate between the state and the economy,can he?
Also,this whole tax credit thing he keeps banging on about.... how about simplifying the tax system?

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From Twitter:

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For my money Alastair Stewart has been the best Moderator. I suspected Dimbleby wouldn't be able to resist injecting his own voice into proceedings and I fear I was right. Boulton was just an amateur and at times seemed to forget he was meant to be moderator, not inquisitor.

For sheer quality of the presentation though, the BBC was always going to be light years ahead of both. They alone have actually thought about how to create an appropriate setting and atmosphere befitting the occasion rather than going for gaudy, plastic sets.

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Here come the final statements ...

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It's fine. If the country wanted a seriously left wing party they'd vote for a minor party, we don't. Labour's flirtation with the authoritarian left-wing has done quite enough damage to our finances without continuing down that road, and the taxes required to support a left-wing agenda would devastate the economy, an economy which is dependent on multinational businesses that would very simply leave and withdraw their money from our economy if we started pursuing a left-wing tax and spend agenda.

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And now for the last word from Gordon. Hopefully the last word ever.

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Why do the parties all go on about change? change, change, change, change. Is that really something that has resonance with the public?

Competence would have been a better word.

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Has Clegg shot himself in the foot with his summing up... Trust your instincts... Most people's instincts say, LibDem vote = wasted vote, never going to win. Therefore vote Conservative or Labour!

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Cripes, he's stumbling all over the place again!

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well competence in government would be a nice change ;)

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Did Brown just admit that he thinks he's going to lose next week? :erm: :D

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Argh, awful, awful fake smile!

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Yes ...

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Ouch . . . nasty fake smile, wink to camera, shuffle papers . . .

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Shuffle away quietly into oblivion, I hope.

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Anybody else notice the picture at the end of the broadcast?

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nah he's probably got a nice fat directorship in a bank lined up giving advice on how to circumvent the new bonus rules

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The BBC has been using that in the background of its own coverage of the debates for the last couple of weeks.

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There are too many in this country, and we have to say NO MORE, and to me Clegg won tonight, There will be a shock in store next Thursday.

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BBC News now running clips of Brown once again trotting out his Statist nonsense about tax cuts 'taking £6 billion out of the economy'....

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Interesting that all three leaders are wearing blue suits, and blue ties ;)

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Nah, he's going to set up one of those, "recycle your old gold" companies as he's got such a good history at trading in gold!

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Vote BNP then Arthur.

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Bristol City Council agrees with you.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politi...10/8652781.stm

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No, Gordon, the private sector creates jobs. It's your job to create an environment where the private sector can do well and to supply essential municipal services.

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Spin room is a massive waste of time:

Tory : Well, I think Cameron won!
Lib Dem: Well, It's obvious Clegg won!
Labour: It doesn't matter who won, it's about how you play the game opps I mean substance.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/liveevent/

I wonder which debate he was watching.

EDIT

Sheeshkebab, the Dark Lord is at it now as well. What a plonker.

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Right, enough of the Freddie and Jack nonsense, I'm off to put the kettle on.

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Cameron won by clear margin according to YouGov/Sun

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Cameron was better than last time, Brown was plain desperate and Clegg's decent 'man in the middle of the old guard' routine became just tiresome. None were great but then this format was never going to allow that.

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Was voting allowed outside his closing statement?

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.... heck, we've gone regional, and Alex Salmond is on my screen sharing his thoughts. Gordon was 'the loser' and the last thing we saw of him was 'that strange smile'. I hate it when I have to agree with the king of smug. :erm:

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Here comes the worm!

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Wow, the worm hated Gord's opening

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... but it loved Nick

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ITV/COMRES gives to Cameron by a small margin.

I think YouGov/The Sun are screwing their polls if you ask me.

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And the worm likes Dave's thoughts on inheritance tax

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Pleasantly surprised about that one.

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Wow, it doesn't like him getting on Nick's back though!

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Course you are Gordon. They'd be those 'British jobs for British workers*' you were banging on about wouldn't they? :rolleyes:





*(sounds a tad bigoted don't you think Gordy?)

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BIGOT = Brown Is Gone On Thursday........:D

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Ewww, Newsnight played Gordon's horrible grimace again :D

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So Conservative Majority or Hung Parliament next week?
Will Lib Dems get more votes than Labour?

Looking at the result of the polls it looks like we are no closer to knowing (other than be certain Labour have lost)

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Wow, Labour really has given up ... they've put up Yvette Cooper to do talking heads on Newsnight.

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Campbell was overheard saying 'We've Blown it'. Although that is according to the News of the World.

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Hung parliament with Lib Dems getting more votes than Labour please. Then get serious about electoral reform.

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Question Time is fun ;)

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One of my favourite lines from tonight:

He's specifically said he couldn't support Brown as PM if Labour came 3rd in the vote. That doesn't necessarily rule out working with Labour though... if they ditch Brown.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...liament-labour


Yup. YouGov waited until after all the statements this week.

This please.


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LOL...

http://twitter.com/lordbonkers/status/13091289597

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Have they looked behind the sofa?

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Ah, student politics. That brings back memories. :D

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I've been following the Cambridge PPCs on Twitter (Lib Dem, Labour, Tory, Green, & an Independent... not seen the UKIP one or the Socialist).

After the bigot scandal (I refuse to use the ridiculous "gate" suffix), the Twitter account in the name of the Labour PPC, Daniel Zeichner, allegedly* posted this:

and

*I didn't see it, as the Tweets in question - along with the entire Twitter account itself - have since been deleted. But political blogger & Independent candidate for Cambridge Old Holborn took some screengrabs...

http://www.oldholborn.net/2010/04/go...ll-daniel.html

http://www.oldholborn.net/2010/04/da...s-twitter.html


What then amused me was that Mr Zeichner then said the following to our local paper the Evening News (after Gordon Brown apologised to Gillian Duffy).

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home...that-gaffe.htm

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I have to say, listening to it on R4, Cameron came over as the strongest.
Cleg just seemed creepy in his way of trying to be the audience's friend.
And Brown, he was just useless.
It was great to hear Cameron point out that Gordo believes that government = economy.

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Well I am not sure what has been said before since I have only just watched the debate. (Blame the mrs, she wanted to go out for a curry, very nice btw)

Cameron - Came across well with some good points.
Clegg - Came across well with some good points.
Brown - Looked like he had eyes that would be **** holes in snow.

I must admit, I am still a 'floating' voter at this point.

I like Clegg, he has some good ideas, don't like the idea of losing our nuclear deterrant though.

I like Cameron, he has some good ideas, not sure about the rest of the flannel though.

Gordon Brown looked and sounded like my worst hangover though.

One down, i guess.